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[pjabyrne]

Lewis Hamilton has pleaded with McLaren bosses to let him keep his winning trophies as he stands on the brink of making history as the first driver to win the championship as a rookie and becoming the youngest ever world champion.

However, under the contract terms McLaren has with all its drivers, the team gets to keep all the drivers' trophies and they are displayed in a 30-yard-long cabinet at its Woking headquarters.

Hamilton told the Mirror newspaper, "I want to keep my first win trophy and that of my first world championship. Don't underestimate how much it means to me."

http://f1.gpupdate.n...e-him-trophies/

Some interesting things I noticed here.

Firstly, the fact that Hamilton is so emboldened as to ask for a privilege not afforded to Senna, Prost, Hakkinen or any of the past McLaren greats.

Secondly the ominous comment "Don't underestimate how much it means to me"...

Thirdly, why oh why go public with this rather than a quiet request in Ron's ear.

Now I've seen that trophy cabinet with my own two eyes and been told how much pride is taken in it. This is a BIG DEAL for the Ronster.

After his post race comments volunteering himself as comparable to the aforementioned Senna and Prost, I'm in utter astonishment at how the plucky, merely confident individual we saw at the beginning of the year is turning into a diva monster...

[BorderReiver]

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Originally posted by pjabyrne

After his post race comments volunteering himself as comparable to the aforementioned Senna and Prost,

Only people who can't actually read think he said that. He manifestly did not.

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I'm in utter astonishment at how the plucky, merely confident individual we saw at the beginning of the year is turning into a diva monster...

Ahhh . . . so either you can't read or you're already prejudiced.

As for the trophy thing, what exactly is wrong with asking?

[MAJP]

He's right, I will never give none of my trophies to my team, never ... I prefer to acept the consequences. Maybe senna or the others preferred more money, Hamilton wants the physic memory of his wins and podiums.

[ensign14]

Jeez, it comes from the Mirror. How reliable is that?

McLaren drivers, if they want trophies, get replicas made by the people who made the originals. Jo Ramirez talks in last month's MotorSport about how Senna "might" have managed to swap his...

[hedges]

I thought Ron did let the drivers keep the odd one, like first win. I'm sure I read Kimi got one, and Mika a couple. *shrug*

I think McLaren keeping the trophies says quite a bit about Ron really. But if he doesn't let them keep the odd one for a "special" win then it is kind of pathetic.

[Mauseri]

Driver trophy belongs to driver and team trophy to team

[Ninja2b]

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Originally posted by micra_k10
Driver trophy belongs to driver and team trophy to team

If Lewis believed that he shouldn't have signed a contract which stated otherwise. McLaren owns the trophies. I'm a Hamilton fan, but if he wants trophies he can get replicas like every other McLaren driver has done.

[ensign14]

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Originally posted by hedges
I think McLaren keeping the trophies says quite a bit about Ron really. But if he doesn't let them keep the odd one for a "special" win then it is kind of pathetic.

I suppose it's part of his sales pitch to sponsors. It must be fairly impressive to someone going to Paragon to see 30 yards' worth of trophies. Although past performance is no guarantee of future returns.

Bit of a non-story to say the least. Yet I've posted 2x.

[kenny]

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Originally posted by MAJP
He's right, I will never give none of my trophies to my team, never ... I prefer to acept the consequences. Maybe senna or the others preferred more money, Hamilton wants the physic memory of his wins and podiums.

In a few cases, drivers did manage to keep the original cups. Ayrton Senna was adept at hanging onto them, and some of his older Monaco trophies have never been reproduced for the team; the makers, commissioned by Prince Rainier, would not produce copies.

source: http://atlasf1.autos...iew/cooper.html

So, did Senna keep his original trophies?

[ensign14]

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"It was only when we won the final race that we realised the full significance of Monza," says Ron. "At Paragon we're going to have all the '88 victories together, with a photo of Schlesser in the space for Monza..."

That Adelaide 1993 one is sweeeeet.

[Hacklerf]

Remember how pissed Ron was when Prost dropped his trophy into the crowd the year before he moved to Ferrari.
heh

I think they let Mika keep his first win trophy

[King Stromba]

If Hamilton is allowed to keep his trophies, i hope alonso asks to keep his also. Particularly the monaco one.


Of course if Ron treats both driver equally, he will allow both of them to keep their trophies wont he?

[Ross Stonefeld]

I think McLaren allows a driver to keep their trophy from their first ever win if it was in a McLaren. Ie Mika, Kimi, Lewis etc. Drivers simply getting their first win while with McLaren (Coulthard, Alonso, Montoya, etc) dont get to keep it.

[Clatter]

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Originally posted by micra_k10
Driver trophy belongs to driver and team trophy to team

Driver is paid to drive a car supplied by the team, so Mac's view is that as they pay for and supply the car they get the spoils. Its always been their policy and drivers would have known this when they signed up, so they can have zero to complain about.

As it is LH isnt complaining, he is asking, no harm in that, but there can be no complaint should he be turned down.

[Joyce]

I read Kimi only keeps his first win trophy in Mclaren. Others are duplicates paid by himself.

[Lurb]

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Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I think McLaren allows a driver to keep their trophy from their first ever win if it was in a McLaren. Ie Mika, Kimi, Lewis etc. Drivers simply getting their first win while with McLaren (Coulthard, Alonso, Montoya, etc) dont get to keep it.

In other words #1 drivers keep it and #2 don't

[pRy]

Go to 2 minutes 50 in that video.. you'll see Lewis has always had a thing for his trophies and also a shot of a much younger Ron Dennis with him on a podium. Of course they'll let him keep it. You can't buy the relationship these two people have.

[biercemountain]

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Originally posted by pjabyrne
Thirdly, why oh why go public with this rather than a quiet request in Ron's ear.

Perhaps he's already asked Ron, who gave him a polite "No". Hence the public appeal.

[todayshorse]

Heres a solution. Ron keeps the trophys during the week at the factory so it pleases visitors and so on, Lewis takes them home over the weekend.

I think we did similar at school with the class hamster or somthing

Why cant the hamiltons just get some replicas made? I know its not quite the same as the real thing....or give Ron the replicas?

[z2z]

Kind of hint towards media ... "Importance of WDC" ..after Luca's press release

[fnz]

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Originally posted by pjabyrne
...that of my first world championship...

Ehhrr Lewis, chances for grabbing WDC this year are very very high. But don't forget you don't have one yet, and you might never get one.

[Rinehart]

Gez, I'm just not getting involved in yet another patetic analysis of what a driver did or didn't say.

Carrying on shoving pins in your doll if thats what floats your boat.

[Atreiu]

The Mclaren drivers are in a spot in which whatever they say, no matter what, will be exaustively dissected and certainly condemed. They might as well say good morning to a reporter and it will become news to be debated here...

[idrumond]

Maybe Ron Dennis antecipated that someday FIA wouldn't give him the contructor's trophy if McLaren won a race (like last Sunday) and decided to keep driver's trophies to the team.

Would that mean they've been spying since the 80s?;)

Talking seriously now, I don't know why we still have a WCC if almost nobody cares for it (I do and think the team should keep the contructor's trophy and give the driver his/hers). Maybe when they allow teams to sell chassis to others it will be over.

[WildmouseX]

the drivers should get to keep their trophies, if the team want's a huge case full of them, then they should have duplicates made up....... i don't compleately know how it works in F1, but over here the driver and the owner both get identical trophies - and the driver usually takes the checkered flag home with him as well.

[SeanValen]

Mclaren your win belongs to the team, not you. You realise why Schuey never drove for Mclaren while Ron was there.

[Shadow Mike]

It was him who accepted those conditions when signing the contract. I believe he didn't care about that at that time, he was just happy to sign the contract with McLaren. Now he demands more. Well, if he doesn't agree with the terms of the contract, I believe he should cancel it and go away.

[Jardins]

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Originally posted by pjabyrne
Lewis Hamilton has pleaded with McLaren bosses to let him keep his winning trophies as he stands on the brink of making history as the first driver to win the championship as a rookie and becoming the youngest ever world champion.

However, under the contract terms McLaren has with all its drivers, the team gets to keep all the drivers' trophies and they are displayed in a 30-yard-long cabinet at its Woking headquarters.

Hamilton told the Mirror newspaper, "I want to keep my first win trophy and that of my first world championship. Don't underestimate how much it means to me."

http://f1.gpupdate.n...e-him-trophies/

Some interesting things I noticed here.

Firstly, the fact that Hamilton is so emboldened as to ask for a privilege not afforded to Senna, Prost, Hakkinen or any of the past McLaren greats.

Secondly the ominous comment "Don't underestimate how much it means to me"...

Thirdly, why oh why go public with this rather than a quiet request in Ron's ear.

Now I've seen that trophy cabinet with my own two eyes and been told how much pride is taken in it. This is a BIG DEAL for the Ronster.

After his post race comments volunteering himself as comparable to the aforementioned Senna and Prost, I'm in utter astonishment at how the plucky, merely confident individual we saw at the beginning of the year is turning into a diva monster...

I think this story is a load of bollocks! It strikes me as highly unlikely that a Daily Mirror reporter would have been within hearing distance to get a quote like the one reported. There is no context offered for the quotes and it seems like dubious reporting to me. Hamilton may be a lot of things but I don't think he's stupid. http://www.mirror.co...89520-19886139/

[Juan Kerr]

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Originally posted by pjabyrne
Lewis Hamilton has pleaded with McLaren bosses to let him keep his winning trophies as he stands on the brink of making history as the first driver to win the championship as a rookie and becoming the youngest ever world champion.

However, under the contract terms McLaren has with all its drivers, the team gets to keep all the drivers' trophies and they are displayed in a 30-yard-long cabinet at its Woking headquarters.

Hamilton told the Mirror newspaper, "I want to keep my first win trophy and that of my first world championship. Don't underestimate how much it means to me."

http://f1.gpupdate.n...e-him-trophies/

Some interesting things I noticed here.

Firstly, the fact that Hamilton is so emboldened as to ask for a privilege not afforded to Senna, Prost, Hakkinen or any of the past McLaren greats.

Secondly the ominous comment "Don't underestimate how much it means to me"...

Thirdly, why oh why go public with this rather than a quiet request in Ron's ear.

Now I've seen that trophy cabinet with my own two eyes and been told how much pride is taken in it. This is a BIG DEAL for the Ronster.

After his post race comments volunteering himself as comparable to the aforementioned Senna and Prost, I'm in utter astonishment at how the plucky, merely confident individual we saw at the beginning of the year is turning into a diva monster...

Maybe he'd like to have his trophies ? Why shouldn't he ask this they're his not Prost's or Senna's.

[pedrovski]

He only mentions the first win and WDC. It's been posted earlier that the drivers get to keep the first F1 win trophy. Now the WDC one might be a bit trickier for him to keep. Lewis is very cute with the media and knows how to kick something off with a few hints.

[scottb32]

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Originally posted by kenny
So, did Senna keep his original trophies?

I believe Senna had a stipulation in his contract to let him keep his trophies - this was in the Jo Ramirez book "Racing Man" (I don't have it anymore - perhaps someone could verify this). I also remember something about Senna giving Jo a replica trophy because Senna got both of them.

As to RD keeping these trophies: it is his property. He also keeps many of the cars (some teams give a car to the driver if they win the championship - again, more research appreciated). One of Matchett's books described visiting McLaren - and he was blown away by the number of old cars (covered of course) in their vault (this was years ago). Think of the paragon as a castle with a dungeon full of loot (trophies) and an armory full of cars. Hopefully, one day, all of these magnificent creations will be put into a grand collection open to view - Related-Info . Any additional info/corrections appreciated (I have not been to Donington - would love to go).

[todayshorse]

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Originally posted by scottb32

I believe Senna had a stipulation in his contract to let him keep his trophies - this was in the Jo Ramirez book "Racing Man" (I don't have it anymore - perhaps someone could verify this). I also remember something about Senna giving Jo a replica trophy because Senna got both of them.

As to RD keeping these trophies: it is his property. He also keeps many of the cars (some teams give a car to the driver if they win the championship - again, more research appreciated). One of Matchett's books described visiting McLaren - and he was blown away by the number of old cars (covered of course) in their vault (this was years ago). Think of the paragon as a castle with a dungeon full of loot (trophies) and an armory full of cars. Hopefully, one day, all of these magnificent creations will be put into a grand collection open to view - Related-Info . Any additional info/corrections appreciated (I have not been to Donington - would love to go).

Doningtons museum is fantastic, each time weve been to the track we go. Expensive, but worth every penny. heres a few (admitedly bad) shots i took last time. Sorry for the size and if its a bit OT so ill only post two.....







It seems to change a bit as well, from memory there was a orange Mclaren as you went in, one of mikas cars from pre season, plus sennas donnington 93 car, amongst many many others

[hedges]

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Originally posted by Rinehart
Gez, I'm just not getting involved in yet another patetic analysis of what a driver did or didn't say.

Carrying on shoving pins in your doll if thats what floats your boat.

And yet you just did, funny old world.

[Chui]

Not because it's LH asking for them, but I find the "we'll keep the original, you pay for replicas" a bit too damned anal. Hell, Ron can afford to have the damned replicas. Perhaps he wants their nomex socks, too...

[hedges]

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Originally posted by scottb32

I believe Senna had a stipulation in his contract to let him keep his trophies - this was in the Jo Ramirez book "Racing Man" (I don't have it anymore - perhaps someone could verify this). I also remember something about Senna giving Jo a replica trophy because Senna got both of them.

As to RD keeping these trophies: it is his property. He also keeps many of the cars (some teams give a car to the driver if they win the championship - again, more research appreciated). One of Matchett's books described visiting McLaren - and he was blown away by the number of old cars (covered of course) in their vault (this was years ago). Think of the paragon as a castle with a dungeon full of loot (trophies) and an armory full of cars. Hopefully, one day, all of these magnificent creations will be put into a grand collection open to view - Related-Info . Any additional info/corrections appreciated (I have not been to Donington - would love to go).

It is Rons property only because it is stipulated in the drivers contract. The Trophy is not paid for by McLaren or Ron and is presented to the driver for winning the race, the team gets it's own trophy. Of course it is the teams car he is driving and Ron can be as shallow and greedy as he wants, and so it is. Doesn't make it the descent or done thing though.

[Mat]

It would be hurting Ron quite alot i would imagine that McLaren will never see the Constructors Trophy for Japan GP.

I wonder where it goes anyway.

[jondon]

it has always been known (at least to my understanding) that Ron Dennis keeps all trophies except for a driver`s first EVER win...
While i am not sure, i would reckon such an agreement would extend to a first championship trophy too... unfortunately while i hope it will be a while before i can ask Ayrton Senna about this situation, i will definitely keep you all informed after i make my way to the great track in the sky.... (hopefully a combination of Spa, Monza, Silverstone,Suzuka and Monaco....).
Oh yeah, i will also keep you all informed as to how Senna, Fangio and Clark are getting along against each other in the ultimate championship!!!!

[pacwest]

The base salary of every single NHL player is more than he makes right now. Just to step on the ice you get $600K USD.

He should be given the car and the trophies. Sure Ronnie brought him up from nothing, but after this year, McLaren will have sponsors up the yin yang.

[SirSaltire]

I thought I would quote an exerpt from DC's autobiography - 'IT IS WHAT IT IS' ...........

"McLaren have a clause in their contracts that says they keep the trophies. After this particular race (he is talking about his second place in the Spanish grad prix after his plane crash in 2000) , I asked Ron if i could keep the trophy. He said 'no but Heidi can.....' (DC's girlfriend at the time)..................I do have that trophy now and it is the only origonal one I possess, all the others are replicas"

So Ron made a bit of an exception for DC as I'm sure he well knew the tropy would end up in DC's hands. The circumstancies were exceptional though so as far as I'm concerned, LH should bide by his contract.

[ensign14]

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Originally posted by SirSaltire
So Ron made a bit of an exception for DC as I'm sure he well knew the tropy would end up in DC's hands.

Either that or he was trying to get off with Heidi.

[Calorus]

The Mirror, isn't a Newspaper: it's toilet paper with instructions.

[Jaja]

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Originally posted by Atreiu
The Mclaren drivers are in a spot in which whatever they say, no matter what, will be exaustively dissected and certainly condemed. They might as well say good morning to a reporter and it will become news to be debated here...

so true though...

[F1 Tor.]

Well, I think there's nothing wrong with asking, just as there's nothing wrong with Ron saying no. It's his company and he sets up the contracts the way he sees fit. Personally, if I ran a team I'd tell the driver that the team keeps most of the trophies but if it was a special case(ie. first win, driver's title, driver's home race, etc.) then he could keep it and I'd get a replica made for the trophy case. I mean if it's just going to sit in a case and no one will know the difference, just give it to the guy. He's earned it. What's wrong with that?

[jondon]

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Originally posted by Calorus
The Mirror, isn't a Newspaper: it's toilet paper with instructions.

the only thing missing from the mirror and also the other tabloids is a join the dots and a colourng page.....