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[Louis Mr. F1]

1986 was the F1 season I love the most.

a 4 way title battle, down to 3 drivers after the 3rd last race (Senna dropped out after Portugal)

2 of the 3 remaining drivers still in hunt of the championship are from the same team - and they hate each other, the double WC (Piquet) complained of not gettting no. 1 status within the team that he thought he was going to get, being upstaged by a supposingly no. 2 driver (Mansell) and the double WC threatened to leave the team. The championship leader (Mansell) had a chance to win the title in the 2nd last race but blew it. With the internal fight within the team - the title eventually went to the underdog driver of the year ........ Prost.

how's it going to turn out in 2007?

[brunopascal]

I actually came to think of Mansell's last races of 1986 when LH retired.

Originally posted by Louis Mr. F1
With the internal fight within the team - the title eventually went to the underdog driver of the year ........ Prost.

how's it going to turn out in 2007?

KIMI

[Vunz]

[noikeee]

I wouldn't mind a similar ending. But it won't happen.

[Paul Prost]

1986 was the year I started watching F1 racing.

I was a very happy man in 1986 watching Prost clinch it in Adelaide. I said at the start of this year that McLaren 2007 was possibly a repeat of Williams 1986.

I'll be supporting Alonso and Kimi in Brazil, and would be happy if either of them won it.

[Coral]

I was reminded of Adelaide '86 too...Mansell lost the WDC because Williams waited too long to bring him in for new tyres...sounds familiar. Then they had to bring Piquet in too, handing the title to Prost! What a bummer that day was, I really hope this does not happen to Lewis, though I do think he is a better driver than Mansell. I still don't think Kimi will win the title though, much as I would like him to.

[ensign14]

And remember Mansell could have taken the title in Mexico but he stalled on the grid.

[512 TR]

Anybody remember this dude?

[Kilted Wanderer]

Anything can happen at Brazil - especially if it rains.....

[Atreiu]

If Ferrari is faster, I'll bet on Hamilton. If it's McLaren, I'll put it on Alonso.

I don't think it'll be Kimi because Hamilton won't be getting any stupid again at Brazil.

[Mila]

stratagy-wise, Ferrari may have the ace in the hole with FM.

looking back to Adelaide 86, Rosberg played the part of the rabbit for teammate Prost, and it was his pace at the front that may have drawn Piquet into his spin.

[lukywill]

still we lack the photograph of the 4 splendorous guys thanks to todt forbidden it...

[lukywill]

Originally posted by Mila
stratagy-wise, Ferrari may have the ace in the hole with FM.

looking back to Adelaide 86, Rosberg played the part of the rabbit for teammate Prost, and it was his pace at the front that may have drawn Piquet into his spin.

don´t worry. the brasillian crowd will not be short of papers to massa´s ferrari to swallow.

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Mila

looking back to Adelaide 86, Rosberg played the part of the rabbit for teammate Prost, and it was his pace at the front that may have drawn Piquet into his spin.

Piquet lost the title cos Williams brought him in for a precautionary pit-stop, after Mansell's tyre erupted. Turned out to have been unnecessary. Prost didn't need one cos he'd already had a puncture.

[giacomo]

Adelaide was a thriller.

And Williams binned the WDC not only once but twice in that race, first by not calling in Mansell when there was plenty of time for it and then by calling in Piquet when there wasn't any time left for it.

[mikedeering]

Originally posted by giacomo
Adelaide was a thriller.

And Williams binned the WDC not only once but twice in that race, first by not calling in Mansell when there was plenty of time for it and then by calling in Piquet when there wasn't any time left for it.

That's a bit harsh. Goodyear told Williams the tires were fine and would last the distance no problem. Sure, Mansell had time for a precautionary stop, but as Head said things can go wrong in pit stops, so why risk one if the tire manufacturers said it wasn't necessary? And they had to call Piquet in after seeing what happened to Mansell; it was irresponsible not to.

Of course Goodyear based their assumptions on the state of Prost's tires...he was obviously far easier on them than the Williams drivers, partly due to his driving style and partly due to him not having a Honda engine behind him.

[thiscocks]

Chances?: Hamilton gets a blow out in brazil and goes srtaight on at first corner, Alonso has to precautionary stop for tyres and drops down, Kimi Wins!!!

yeah, I should wake up now.

[ViMaMo]

Hope it rains. And they finish like this.

Massa 1st. Home ground, heroic race.
Raikonnen 2nd
Vettel 3rd. A deserved podium.
Alonso 4th
Hamilton 8th

All three tied at 108 points !!!!!

[Galko877]

Originally posted by paranoik0
I wouldn't mind a similar ending. But it won't happen.

Yeah, it would be fun. Kind of poetic justice after the spy scandal, after the on-going whinings of the McLaren drivers this season. I'd like to see Ron's face then. LOL!

[Galko877]

Originally posted by vivian
Hope it rains. And they finish like this.

Massa 1st. Home ground, heroic race.
Raikonnen 2nd
Vettel 3rd. A deserved podium.
Alonso 4th
Hamilton 8th

All three tied at 108 points !!!!!

And then Kimi would be WDC with the most wins.

[ensign14]

"This is it...they're coming to the last corner...Hamilton out, Raikkonen leads Alonso...who goes for it!!! AND THEY'RE BOTH OFF!!!!"

[FeralMetal]

Massa takes out Hamilton and Alonso at first corner and Kimi wins
FIA says it could have been "reasonably expected" so no penalty. Mosley says McLaren must use square wheels in 2008 as round ones are Ferrari IP

Only joking before the numpties take exception to my non humour.

[ensign14]

"And the rain now comes down in stair-rods...Hamilton's off!! The leader is into the barriers and out...the title is Raikkonen's...but the chequered flag is out...they're stopping the race...and the results revert to the previous lap..."

If this were to happen, do you think the internet would be able to withstand the righteous Ferrarindignation?

[F1Champion]

I think that the forum would go berserk if the final result was like 1986 and Kimi won it.

Stranger things have happened though. There is no way if Hamilton will concede his position fairly to Alonso if in the final race Alonso has a quicker car and is all over the back of him. The same thing for Alonso as well. He'll defend his position to the hilt if it means a WDC. Expect a dan-dare move by either to get through and take the WDC. Could result in contact and hand the title to Kimi.

[vaavu]

Originally posted by F1Champion
I think that the forum would go berserk if the final result was like 1986 and Kimi won it.

I guess Autosport better prepare their servers to take the load that is bound to hit on 21st of October.

Oh well, but it would be such an epic ending to this epic season.

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by F1Champion
IThere is no way if Hamilton will concede his position fairly to Alonso if in the final race Alonso has a quicker car and is all over the back of him.

If Lewis keeps his senses he lets Alonso pass in that situation. If he finishes just one place behind Fernando he's the WDC.

"Lewis, let Alonso pass for your championship!"

[mrudewyc]

Geez, I'm still getting over the race at Brazil 12 months ago

[Paul Prost]

Originally posted by Mila
stratagy-wise, Ferrari may have the ace in the hole with FM.

looking back to Adelaide 86, Rosberg played the part of the rabbit for teammate Prost, and it was his pace at the front that may have drawn Piquet into his spin.

Just to clafiry Mila's comments for those who don't know / can't remember... Piquet had a spin in the early part of the race.... dropping from 2nd to 4th I believe?

Rosberg says it would have been the easiest win of his career if they tyre didn't let go. He presumed the noise coming from the rear of car was engine related.. he had no idea his car was in perfect shape (except for a shoddy tyre) and he could have continued.

[William Hunt]

Australia 1986 was a fantastic race, I watched it as a kid (10 years old) and was a huge Piquet fan at that time and I couldn't stand Prost. Naturally I was very dissapointed after the race, especially since Piquet came so close to winning that title that year. I remember that Williams called Piquet (who was virtually world champion) into the pits after Mansell's tire blew. McLaren took a huge gamble and didn't change the tires of Prost and he won the title in an unbelievable thriller.

[ensign14]

Originally posted by William Hunt
McLaren took a huge gamble and didn't change the tires of Prost and he won the title in an unbelievable thriller.

It wasn't a huge gamble. Prost had had a tyre change already after a puncture.

[911]

Originally posted by Louis Mr. F1
1986 was the F1 season I love the most.

a 4 way title battle, down to 3 drivers after the 3rd last race (Senna dropped out after Portugal)

2 of the 3 remaining drivers still in hunt of the championship are from the same team - and they hate each other, the double WC (Piquet) complained of not gettting no. 1 status within the team that he thought he was going to get, being upstaged by a supposingly no. 2 driver (Mansell) and the double WC threatened to leave the team. The championship leader (Mansell) had a chance to win the title in the 2nd last race but blew it. With the internal fight within the team - the title eventually went to the underdog driver of the year ........ Prost.

how's it going to turn out in 2007?

I was just thinking the same thing. 1986 was a classic year - just incredible. That race in Adelaide was also Keke Rosberg's - Nico's papa - last GP, and he led it until his car retired.

[Crazy Canuck]

I think Hami will be fastest up until Sunday. I have a feeling he and the Team are going to make a mistake under pressure. Alonso has a proven record of coolness-under-fire. Massa is a BIG wild card, for sure he will be fast, and he'll get in the way of the Title contendors, which is good. Kimi's chances are very slim, I'm afraid.

I think Hami will win but Alonso has a better chance than he let on during the final drivers interview (mind games 101)

CC

[Louis Mr. F1]

Originally posted by mikedeering


That's a bit harsh. Goodyear told Williams the tires were fine and would last the distance no problem. Sure, Mansell had time for a precautionary stop, but as Head said things can go wrong in pit stops, so why risk one if the tire manufacturers said it wasn't necessary? And they had to call Piquet in after seeing what happened to Mansell; it was irresponsible not to.

Of course Goodyear based their assumptions on the state of Prost's tires...he was obviously far easier on them than the Williams drivers, partly due to his driving style and partly due to him not having a Honda engine behind him.

Mike - I've always found it a bit careless in Williams' part that they'd assumed Mansell & Piquet's tires would last the distance based on Prost's tire wear rate, they should know that Prost is way better in conserving his tires than Piquet & especially Mansell. During the middle part of the race, sure they can put Mansell on new tires and he'd still be able to collect enough points for the WC. It was a 80 laps race.

[stevewf1]

Originally posted by FeralMetal
Massa takes out Hamilton and Alonso at first corner and Kimi wins

Actually, I'm more worried what Alonso will do to Hamilton...

Alonso is not all that stable right now...

[imaginesix]

Originally posted by mikedeering
That's a bit harsh. Goodyear told Williams the tires were fine and would last the distance no problem. Sure, Mansell had time for a precautionary stop, but as Head said things can go wrong in pit stops, so why risk one if the tire manufacturers said it wasn't necessary? And they had to call Piquet in after seeing what happened to Mansell; it was irresponsible not to.

Of course Goodyear based their assumptions on the state of Prost's tires...he was obviously far easier on them than the Williams drivers, partly due to his driving style and partly due to him not having a Honda engine behind him.

Ah yes, the simple sound of truth.

giacomo's version was far too melodramatic to have any bearing on reality.

[imaginesix]

Originally posted by mrudewyc
Geez, I'm still getting over the race at Brazil 12 months ago

me too, come to think of it. Justice wasn't served that day.

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by stevewf1


Actually, I'm more worried what Alonso will do to Hamilton...

Alonso is not all that stable right now...

I don't think he would do anything so obvious to Hami. He'll race him hard but I don't think he would take him out. There's no history of punting people off at all.

CC

[Louis Mr. F1]

what a result.

it turned out exactly the same as 86

[giacomo]

Originally posted by Louis Mr. F1
it turned out exactly the same as 86

Indeed, with Massa as the "rabbit" Rosberg, Hamilton as stumbling favourite Mansell, Alonso as the Piquet who is happy about that and Raikkonen in the winning outsider Prost role.

[manmower]

I'm still finding it hard to believe... magnificent end to an already great season!

[F1Champion]

Originally posted by F1Champion
I think that the forum would go berserk if the final result was like 1986 and Kimi won it.

Stranger things have happened though.

I still can't believe it! Kimi WDC 2007! He was the underdog and everything had to fall into place for him to win. It was fate.

[MrAerodynamicist]

I spotted this article during the week : "If he wins the title this weekend, Hamilton could make *tens of millions* of pounds from sponsorship over a long career" and joked with my friends; "Is it still 1986?". Apparently it is.

[WACKO]

The tens of millions he will make anyway over the coming years and the title as well (if not several times). Lewis did a great job, but yes a lot of parallels with 86.

[RTX]

And history repeats.

[ensign14]

Originally posted by RTX
And history repeats.

As Marx said - first time tragedy, second time farce.

[Risil]

Meh, Kimi had the faster car, and was let down by poor luck and his own mistakes. He was still bloody fast, though, and quite possibly on driver performances alone, he's the most deserving WDC out of the three.

Superficialities aside, a lot more like 1987, if Mansell hadn't lunched it in Suzuka.

[Ali_G]

Nice spot Louis.

Does this mean we are about to end another golden era of F1 considering what the the late 80s and early 90s were.

[Zmeej]

Except that I'm much happier now than I was then.
(was pulling for Piquet ;))

[HSJ]

Originally posted by giacomo
Indeed, with Massa as the "rabbit" Rosberg, Hamilton as stumbling favourite Mansell, Alonso as the Piquet who is happy about that and Raikkonen in the winning outsider Prost role.