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#1 Alfisti

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 00:17

KEEP THIS CIVIL!

Try to refrain from fanboyism and try to take the car driven into account. Also please state your bias. Lastly, on track performance only please.

Admitted bias: Webbo fan + Williams fan.

Raikkonen: B+
At least three serious errors in qualifying almost cost him the title. Never looked really "on it" the way he has in the past and took 12 races to shake Felippe. Deserves the title as he had his fair share of mechanical problems but oddly never looked particularly sharp. Stayed calm all year though.

Massa: B
Dogged by qualy harware problems that cost him dearly. Pushed Kimi very hard but just went AWOL for a few races 4 or 5 from the end that cost him. Nothing to be ashmed of and the best qualifier of the 4 main drivers.

Hamilton: A
Would be a "B" if not a rookie. Extraordonary season up until China. Outshone 2x WC with pace and great car control. Excellent qualy and raced very well, stunning under brakes and able to pass at a whim. Saw the red rag in China and Brazil that cost him the title, cannot blame reliability as he was lucky with that all year. Has the luck of a champion, even when things go wrong they go right. Abysmal in Japan under the safety car, poorest driving from any driver all year.

Alonso: B -
Seemed to be going OK then went missing in the last few races, showed no pace in Brazil. Panicked earlier in the year. How bad is Fisichella and how good was the Renault of 05 and 06?

Heidfeld: B
Solid but would be great to see him put in a ball tearer once in a while. Odd season for BMW, way slower than the top 2 but way faster than the rest.

Kubica: B -
See Heidfeld re. BMW season. Can look really fast at times and gets the brunt of the poor decisions from BMW but can't seem to overcome Heidfeld.

Kovalainen: B
Poor start but ran well thereafter. Long career ahead.

Fisichella: D -
It's over surely? Appears lost, nice guy but all at sea.

Rosberg: A
A bit inconsistent at times but the only driver other than Webbo to bother the top 3 teams. Annihialted team mates, future star based on this form.

Wurz: F
Very nice guy but a million miles from Rosberg. Could have cost Williams millions if RBR were not so unreliable. Made the right choice to call it a day.

Nakajima:
Not enough races to judge.

Coulthard: B -
Was close to Webber early on but apart from China and Bahrain was struggling to keep up. Quite slow over one lap, that hurts him big time. How fast has the Red Bull really been these last 2 years?

Webber: A
Along with Rosberg the only driver to annoy the faster cars. Often qualified quite heavy and kept his nose clean all season. Robbed of serious points by poor mid race strategy calls, unreliability in Melbourne, Brazil and a few other races as well as the "liberace" by Vettel in Japan. Beaten just once by DC when they both finished.

Trulli: B -
Odd season, even when the car is fast Toyota manage to screw up the race. Very odd. nearly anonomous. Qualied well.

Ralf: D -
Inconsistancy SMACKS of lethargy. Runs like a tiger then just dissapears at times. Will be missed by few if he departs.

Liuzzi: C
Barley better than Speed and Vettel comes in and looks faster. Many errors early in the year. Myth is busted surely?

Speed: B -
Appeared slightly better than Liuzzi when turfed for no good reason.Team waits for him to be dumped before updating the car. Nice.

Vettel: B+
First season, two teams ....... looked average in the BMW then went bezerk in the STR. Ramming a team mate is unforgivable but seems to ooze class and pace.

Button: B
Impossible to judge, seemed to do what he could.

Barichello: B -
See Button.

Sato: B -
Still looks capable of crashing into half the field. Balls of steel though.

Davidson: B -
Will be concerned that Sato often outshone his consistancy.

Sutil: B+
Looked good on drivers tracks, especialy in the B spec. One to watch.

Yamamoto: F
Too slow, just way too slow.

Albers: D
Crashed as much as Sutil, but slower in the process.

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#2 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 00:29

A- Hamilton paid a huge price for his only real driving error of the season in a race (behind alonso T4) and made a mistake with his team in China. Apart from these, he was the most impressive driver of the season for me given his experience.

B+ Raikkonen was awesome in the races he won (altho Brazil was a Massa gift) and in Japan but in some races he seemed as vacant as his demeanour. Still, a worthy champion after two near misses.

#3 Slowinfastout

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 00:42

I mostly agree with the OP.

I think Kovalainen is hard to rate because of the car and because of Fisi... at times it seemed he was just as far ahead just like Alonso was. I think he deserves the + for being a rookie just like Hamilton.

..and I'm not sure about giving a A to Webber, I rate him highly but until he gets a properly good car its hard to tell if he's really special. He's not doing much more than JV was when the BAR was at its fastest (odd 4th pos, etc..)

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#4 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 00:50

Raikkonen: A+
All drivers makes mistakes, he drove as well as anyone in most races, and since France have dominated the Championship.

Massa: B
A supreme number 2 driver, arguably the best such ever at Ferrari. Massa have really come of age, and his inherent speed is unquestioned. I do have doubts of his ultimate racecraft, and he is simply good enough on a wet track.

Hamilton: A-
A great talent, how have performed way above his expectations, the 'minus' is due to his last two races.

Alonso: B+
Still in my mind the outright best driver in the field, but we have this season learned sides of him, which he has carried on to the track.

Heidfeld: B+
A really good F1 driver, who has consistently been better than all his teammates.

Kubica: B+
A really good F1 driver and a great racer.

Kovalainen: B
Showed that Renault made a good choice in him.

Fisichella: D+
Have stretched a long career despite less than top quality talent.

Rosberg: A
One of the revelations of the season. He will be around battling Lewis and Heikki for many seasons.

Wurz: F
Never had it.

Nakajima:
Not enough races to judge.

Coulthard: B
A very good f1 driver, and most importantly a very good F1 racer.

Webber: B-
Has as always failed to carry his qualifying speed in the races.

Trulli: B
Qualifying king, not a good racer.

Ralf: C-
Has not let his obvious talent show this season.

Liuzzi: C
A middle of the pack talent

Speed: F
Just did not have the will for F1.

Vettel: B+
A revalation.

Button: C
A hoh hum season.

Barichello: D
Did not seem to try, and he should retire

Sato: C
Middle of the pack talent

Davidson: F
Harsh, but he was supposed so much more.

Sutil: B
The driver who surprised me the most, a genuine talent whom I would like to see in a more competative car.

Yamamoto: F
Does not belong in F1.

Albers: F
Does not belong in F1.

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#5 RTX

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 00:51

Alonso- Drove under great pressure and adversity all season yet still took the WC to the final race and only lost it by two points. Just shows how good he really is. He will be stronger in the future under better conditions.

Kimi - A great fighting season, where he was gone for all money a number of times but stuck in there and somehow won. I still dont know how he did it.

Hamilton - A great season but ruined it by some terrible mistakes in the final two races and finally falling to the pressure. Pretty much matched Alonso but Im rating him 3rd because he was gifted a win at Hungary which cost Alonso the WC.

Massa- Drove surprisingly well, and was a match for Kimi in qualifying. Not a chump anymore.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 00:57

Raikkonen: A-
Brilliant start to the year but had difficulty during the next few races, after the return to Europe he has been the best driver and has won the title on merit.

Massa: A-
Excellent performances when out front and leading, proved he has huge talent and gave his team mate a long and hard fight.

Hamilton: A
Once again, would have been a B but he is a rookie. Beat his teammate on equal terms, great performances but made 2 critical mistakes which cost him the title.

Alonso: B-
Never really looked comfortable apart from the odd race, beaten by his team mate and complained too much.

Heidfeld: B
Good season for him, in a good car and on occasions he fought with the McLarens and Ferraris.

Kubica: A-
Good season for him, looked fast at times but didn't quite have decisions go his way. Great fighting at times and terrific recovery from a huge accident.

Kovalainen: B
Terrible start to his career but picked it up and started to beat his team mate comfortably, a few mistakes here and there but has huge potential.

Fisichella: C
Terrible season, beaten by a rookie team mate and made many critical mistakes.

Rosberg: A+
Excellent season, terrific at qualifying and always up for a good fight in the race. Huge talent and given a better car, could be a future champion.

Wurz: D
Beaten by his team mate pretty much all the time, good guy but was out of it.

Nakajima: B
Judging by his single performance, he has huge speed but needs to cut out the mistakes.

Coulthard: B
Beaten by his team mate most of the time, good fighting at times and capable of going faster.

Webber: A
Superb season, beaten his team mate comfortable, surely could be a multiple race winner given a good car.

Trulli: B
Beats his team mate most of the time, good fighting at times but odd mistakes.

Ralf: D
Terrible season, never looked focused and alwayslooked tired.

Liuzzi: B-
Good speed at times and in recent races used his strategy perfectly. Odd mistakes here and there.

Speed: C
Odd mistakes here and there, never looked comfortable and didn't have a huge advantage over his team mate.

Vettel: A+
Great talented driver, made a huge mistake but put it right straight after.

Button: B
Never looked too impressive, a couple of good performances but the car didn't help.

Barichello: B
Same as above.

Sato: B
Great driving at times, has no fear but makes mistakes at times.

Davidson: B
Good perfomances at times but lacks that killer instinct.

Sutil: B
Great races at times but makes mistakes.

Yamamoto: D
Slow and inconsistent.

Albers: D
Didn't make an impact, was slow and inconsistent.

Winkelhock: A+++++++++++++++
Led almost ever lap he has taken part in, superb driver and future WDC!

#7 Craven Morehead

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 01:11

In WDC orderthen:

Kimi: A. The WDC, what else matters?
Lewis: A. Choked hard in the home stretch, but an unbelievable season otherwise. Heimlick that boy, quick!
Fred: A. Drove brilliantly @ times despite all the controversy, seems to have misplaced his medication.
Filipe: A. I'm really starting to like this guy. Damn fast & a team player. Great raport with Peter Windsor.
Nick: A-. Bloody good job, now where's your razor?
Bob Kubi: B+. Looks like he should park cars for a living but actually drives them pretty well.
Heikki K: B+. A shaky start followed by assetion of dominance, pretty good for a beginner, really.
Fisi: C. What can you say? Was already conceding defeat before the season even started, not a good sign
Nico: A. Fast & furious, just how Frank likes 'em.
DC: B+ Evergreen, & still capable of pulling off some fine performances. not bad for an old f@rt.
Alex W: C. Was a strange choice to begin with, wasn't fast enough years ago, still not. Nice guy though
Webbo: B+ Unlucky truly. Deserves better than he's gotten so far in F1. It will be too late soon
jarno: B- Fell into the hands of Ralf a bit this year, seemed to lack some inspiration
Seb V: B+ This kid has all sorts of potential; Bordais will make a nice complement
Jense B: Smooth & fast. What a waste of a fine talent this year.
Ralf: B- never the same after the Indy crash; must be nearing the end of the road no?
Taku: B- Passed the wdc on merit in a shopping cart one wknd. makes a great underdog
Tony V. B- Thought he might do better than he did
Adrian S. B Pretty good overall for a backmarker
Rubens: C It's over surely?
S. speed B-: showed some potential but rubbed the team the wrong way, this is not a good plan.
Kaz Naka. B-: can clearly drive the car, but has some trouble parking it.
Anthony D: B: kinda invisible to me this year I'm afraid.
Sakon Y: C-: Wasn't fast enough before F1, not much has changed. nice hair though.
C Albers: * Did he race this year?
M. Winkelhock: B Led a race, pretty good for a Spyker ,was it? Nice to see that name again.

#8 Ben

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 01:24

I'm not that bothered about rating all the drivers. But I totally agree with the sentiment that Hamilton should score an A but it would have been a B if he wasn't a rookie. It would be very sad if he starts getting slated for not winning the title and this prevents people from remembering that he is just a rookie.

Other than that, I have a soft spot for Kovalainen, but this is generally the case for drivers I've watched in the rain at Castle Combe when they were doing British national single-seater racing :-)

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#9 Ricardo F1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 01:28

Originally posted by RTX
. . . but Im rating him 3rd because he was gifted a win at Hungary which cost Alonso the WC.

No, you're rating him third because you dislike him. Alonso cost Alonso the WC at Hungary.

Hamilton gets an A, nobody expected him to perform that well.
Alonso gets a B, very solid, rattled though by having such a quick team mate.
Raikonnen a B, disappointing season to Monaco, took a long time to adjust to the car then started to shine.
Massa a B+, had the experience of Ferrari and Bridgestone but still drove better and better. Better than in 06 by a mile. Very impressive.

Not sure how Rosberg gets an A myself. :

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 01:55

Raikkonen: A-

Massa: A-

Hamilton: B+

Alonso: B-

Heidfeld: B+

Kubica: B-

Kovalainen: B-

Fisichella: D

Rosberg: A

Wurz: D-

Nakajima: only one race.

Coulthard: C

Webber: B+

Trulli: B

Ralf: D-

Liuzzi: B+

Speed: C-

Vettel: A

Button: B

Barichello: B

Sato: B-

Davidson: C

Sutil: B

Yamamoto: D

Albers: D-

Winkelhock: -

#11 Crazy Canuck

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 02:59

Raikkonen: A
Tough first 1/3 of the season. Brilliant races in GB and France put him back in it. Steadily got the better of Massa and ultimately Alonso and Hami.

Massa: B+
Excellent quali performances. Inconsistent race pace. Kimi got the better of him in the second half of the season. The best #2 a top team could hope to have.

Hamilton: A
What can you say?! Great, unbelievable rookie year. Pressure and inexperience got the better of him in the last two races. He’ll be back.

Alonso: A-
Germany comes to mind as a brilliant drive, great pass and reminiscent of the old ā€˜Lonso that we loved in the last two years. Needs to keep his thoughts to himself and stay off the paranoia smoke.

Heidfeld: B+
Good consistent season but nothing special really. What you would expect from a high caliber driver with his experience.

Kubica: B-
Not up to the expectations from last year. Had a couple of decent moments. Suffered from some really bad Team decisions.

Kovalainen: B+
Shockingly bad start to the season. Eventually dominated Fisi. Long F1 career ahead.

Fisichella: D
Maybe one or two decent drives all season but mostly crap. His time is gone, he should focus on his passion of finding and developing young drivers.

Rosberg: A
In my view the best driver of the second half of the season. Brilliant quali results. Steadily improved race pace. I often wondered what he could have done in a McLaren this year…. A star of the future.

Wurz: C
Terrible qualifier. Excellent racer.

Nakajima: -
Not enough races to judge.

Coulthard: B-
Still a little weak on quali pace. Great race craft. Made some surprisingly stupid moves (Oz and Brazil come to mind). End of the season stats shows that he out performed is team mate.

Webber: B-
Good over one lap. Race craft? Not sure, car breaks a lot…. End of the season shows that he was out performed by his team mate.



Trulli: B-
Inconsistent. Excellent quali pace. Races almost always went backwards. Car or driver? Blended into the crown most of the time.

Ralf: D
Moody, raced for the money. He should try Nascar.

Liuzzi: C
Just good enough for F1. Sub-midfield driver in a sub-midfield team. Doesn’t crash.

Speed: C+
Seemed better than Liuzzi but was still barley good enough for F1. Team didn’t like that he spoke his mind. Got dumped. Learned that you need to be a 2x WDC before bad-mouthing your team mid-season.

Vettel: B
Moments of brilliance. Didn’t crush Liuzzi as we expected but was better overall. Next year will be a better evaluation, he’s still young and hasn’t had a full season.

Button: B
Difficult to say. Was always classy in public about the Team and car. Team player.

Barrichello: B-
See Button. Was beaten buy his team mate too frequently. Quickly approaching his best before date. Next season his last?!

Sato: C+
Still a little crazy. When the rising son is at the correct angle this guy can race. Other times not so much.

Davidson: C+
Good consistency. Had a couple of great quali performances.

Sutil: B-
People think he’s fast ā€˜cause Hami said so. Crushed all his team mates. Could be the next Webber – reputation precedes results. Time will tell.

Yamamoto: F
Too slow, just way too slow. He should not have a super license and needs to be banned from F1.

Albers: D
Lost the plot when his rookie team mate was much faster. DTM would be good for him.

Winklehock: C-
Too slow for a consistent F1 drive but he has a nice piece of history.


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#12 CatharticF1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 04:13

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
No, you're rating him third because you dislike him. Alonso cost Alonso the WC at Hungary.

Hamilton gets an A..


Uh huh .. not the merest hint of irony? :lol:

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 05:18

Try to refrain from fanboyism and try to take the car driven into account. Also please state your bias. Lastly, on track performance only please.

Admitted bias: Webbo fan + Williams fan.

Raikkonen: A
Came to a new team, adapted well, and had a dominant second half of the season. World Champion, first time out for new team is a brilliant achievement - and done without the holy of holies at ferrari - byrne, brawn, and erm ... that mechanic fella

Massa: B
Unlucky; will be world champion one day, and on his day may very well be the quickest driver in F1. Mature, smart, team player ...

Hamilton: B-
Good start to the season, took full advantage of confidence derived from GP2, and was quick to learn from Alonso. The got involved with inter-team rubbish with alonso, at which point he failed to learn - or to use - alonso's setups ... awful second half of season that culminated in scoring 1 point from final 2 races of the season despite not having had a mechanical DNF all year ... the championship was his, and he choked

Alonso: C
Lost a lot of credibility this season; he has the brain, and he has the ability to develop the car through the season, but he was slow compared to Lewis - and unlike Kimi, was unable to conquer the bridgestone problems - either because he lost belief in the team, or in himself. It will be a hard year for alonso next year as he tries to find his confidence again - because despite everything, he really was slower than lewis, and strangely lethargic all year.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 05:52

Raikkonen: A
Very impressive this year, kept his head down when the times were tough and had a storming 2nd half of the year and fully deserved championship.

Massa: B+
Massa was amazing early in the year before kimi got up to speed, best qualifyer of the year.

Hamilton: A
Mainly A because of being a rookie, his attitude got worse over the year, but cannot deny his talent.

Alonso: B
Alonso had ample opportunity to beat hamilton but made too many excuses and just blamed everybody else(was it true or not we dont know), he did the same act at Renault but was fortunate for things to fall into place last year.

Heidfeld: B
Solid year.

Kubica: B
Hard to tell how good he is sometimes, he is a fantastic brawler in on track battles, and shows amazing speed on occasion. If he can do that consistantly he will be a future race winner.

Kovalainen: A
Only had 2 or 3 average races but the rest were super impressive, totally dominated fisichella as much as alonso did basically. Great qualifyer, great racer.

Fisichella: D
Was impressive when young but totally lost motivation and speed. He needs to leave.

Rosberg: B+
Despite some great performances, i think it could be false comparing him to Wurz/nakajima and they could be making him look better than he is. Last year he got well beaten by his team mate and usually drivers dont miraculously improve over the winter.. with a fast team mate next year we will be able to grade him better.

Wurz: F
Wurz was so promising early in his career but the bridgestones and williams just did not fit for him, probably the nicest guy in the field.

Nakajima:
Not enough races to judge.

Coulthard: B
Solid in most races, poor over 1 lap. Next year probably his last year in F1.

Webber: B+
Excellent qualifying performances, some good races, some average, was robbed of many points finishes due to bad luck.

Trulli: C+
A true 1 lap wonder.

Ralf: D
Due to his ridiculous salary he had no real motivation at Toyota, which cost both parties.

Liuzzi: C
Pretty poor all year really, has kinda woken up since Vettel came. Would like to see him at williams with motivation and he may shine.

Speed: C
Unjustly kicked out, was often faster than Liuzzi.

Vettel: B+
Vettel has a future!

Button: B
Most races has gotten the maximum out of the car and shown alot of heart.

Barichello: D
Apart from brazil, showed very little motivation and was miles off the pace.

Sato: C
Great first half of the year, was beaten by his team mate regularly 2nd half.

Davidson: C
See Sato : visa versa

Sutil: C-
Totally overrated, made way too many mistakes.

Yamamoto: F
Wont last.

Albers: F
Was just a pay driver.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 07:33

I urged Taxi to do his annual top ten performers thread, and he said sure he'd do it. I think that's a much better way of doing it, instead of giving all drivers grades like this.
It gets too "messy" and I find myself not bothering to read any of them.

Am I alone in seeing it this way?
I'm aware that duplicate threads is a minus, but perhaps Taxi could start his thread anyway?

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:21

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
No, you're rating him third because you dislike him. Alonso cost Alonso the WC at Hungary.

Hamilton gets an A, nobody expected him to perform that well.
Alonso gets a B, very solid, rattled though by having such a quick team mate.
Raikonnen a B, disappointing season to Monaco, took a long time to adjust to the car then started to shine.
Massa a B+, had the experience of Ferrari and Bridgestone but still drove better and better. Better than in 06 by a mile. Very impressive.

Not sure how Rosberg gets an A myself. :



I gather you are relying too much on your priors. Basically you are not giving your grades on how the drivers performed relative to each other let alone absolutely but more on how they performed against the priors you set on the drivers before the season got under way. For my taste RƤikkƶnen was the best performing driver over the season despite his slow start. Was it expected perhaps but the expectation should not be reflected in his grade against his peers, only in his grade against himself.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:36

Originally posted by almart


Alonso: C
Lost a lot of credibility this season; he has the brain, and he has the ability to develop the car through the season, but he was slow compared to Lewis - and unlike Kimi, was unable to conquer the bridgestone problems - either because he lost belief in the team, or in himself. It will be a hard year for alonso next year as he tries to find his confidence again - because despite everything, he really was slower than lewis, and strangely lethargic all year.


How was he slower than Lewis? Did u only watch the races where Hamilton was quicker?

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:39

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
No, you're rating him third because you dislike him. Alonso cost Alonso the WC at Hungary.


Whether it was Alonsos fault isnt really the point. Point is Hamilton earnt a lot of points over Alonso in a way that had nothing to do with driving. It was a penatly that decided it.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:56

KImmi A+ struggled early but bought it all home
Massa A consistent year
LH A- brilliant year ruined by 2 **** races at the end
Fred A Same number of points as LH but rated better due to his development of Macc
(seriously doubt 6 tenths though lol)

the other drivers to impress were all the obvious ones
Webber, Kov, Vettel and Sutil cos he was driving a Shed

Actually will give MW A++ for all the quotes he has provided me with

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:02

Originally posted by race addicted
I urged Taxi to do his annual top ten performers thread, and he said sure he'd do it. I think that's a much better way of doing it, instead of giving all drivers grades like this.
It gets too "messy" and I find myself not bothering to read any of them.

Am I alone in seeing it this way?
I'm aware that duplicate threads is a minus, but perhaps Taxi could start his thread anyway?


Not to be too much of a smart arse just line em up where they finished in the WDC, happy with that, not going to make much difference to history.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:41

Raikkonen: A

He won the championship! Even if he didn't look very racy and Massa outshone him more often than not, he had the consistency and error free finale that is the key to winning championships.

Hamilton: B+

Rookies make mistakes like the one in China, the Brazil one, was a stupid mistake more than a rookie mistake, I'm sure he knew finishing 4th right behind FA was good enough for win, still he had to kamikaze overtake in the very next corner. He went from A+ to B+ in that corner.

Alonso: B+

Not a great season for his standards, he made more mistakes in Canada 2007 than in all 2006 season. Still he fought hard until the end in a very hostile environment and almost won the championship despite having all the teams (including his) racing against him.

Massa: B+

He had some bad luck (more than the other 3) with reliability, and he was a bit incosistent. still for most of the year he looked as the quickest Ferrari driver.

Nick Heidfeld B+

He did as good as possible on that car.

Robert Kubica B

Had a bit less luck with reliability than Nick, though that alone doesn't make up for the points diff between them. Good to see the crash didn't affect his driving.

Heikki Kovalainen B+

He started out not too well, but as he gained experience he started to beat Fisi and show his talent.

Giancarlo Fisichella B-

Started out OK, but as the season progressed he got worse results, don't know if he got worse or his rivals better.

Nico Rosberg A

Looked very good in races, consistent and quick, destroyed Wurz.

David Coulthard B

Did Ok with the equipment he had. The car is not particularly quick and very unreliable.

Alex Wurz C

He seemed completely lost in qualifying, he showed nerves of steel in Canada though. But one race does not make up for a full season of getting beaten by Rosberg.

Mark Webber B

Some great quali performances, he's been unlucky, **** reliability and LH's dirty tricks costed him a podium position.

Jarno Trulli B

Some good quali performances, not so brilliant on race day, typical Trulli.

Sebastian Vettel A

I'm impressed, if it werent for LH's antics a podium was at hand in Japan in a Minardi! still he got it next race!

Jenson Button B-

Hard to judge, car was a heap of junk. and ugly! Still he managed some points.

Ralf Schumacher D

Sucked.

Takuma Sato B

4 points in a Super Aguri!

V Liuzzi C+

In a team were the boss doesn't want you it's hard to perform. Still not too bad.

Adrian Sutil B+

Maybe his teammates sucked, but he looked much better than them.

Rubens Barrichello C

Same as Button but a bit worse, no points!

A Davidson C+

0 points, still looked pretty much as good as Taku.

C. Albers, Yamamoto, sucked.

#22 Montoya1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:57

A+ : Kimi, LH
A : Massa, Rosberg
A- : Heidfield
B : Webber, Kubica, Sutil
C : The rest
F : Schumacher, Fisichella
Z : Alonso

Edit: Bias = Very disapointed in Alonso this year, used to admire the guy, but he has shown his true colours now and I hope he does go to Renualt (who then have a rubbish couple of seasons)

#23 sensible

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:59

To all those giving Kimi an A+ (assuming this is indeed the top mark), what would you have given him had he driven exactly the same but not made the mistakes he did?

Agree he was the best driver this year but he certainly wasnt perfect - no-one was. If you take in to account it was Lewis's first year then I'd put him equal best. So on pure racing I'd say

KR A- (I think you'll see A or A+ performance from him next year)
LH B+ (in absolute terms. A- if you take into account his experience. Take off the last 2 races he's probably an A, but they all count, right)
FA - B (Strange thing FA this year - does he just not want it enough anymore? Did the pressure get to him? Did Lewis just blow him away. Too many mistakes of judgement)
FM - B (Very good in patches, probably the out and out fastest over a single lap, too many mistakes and periods of mediocrity)
NH - B (Some very very good performances and some where he just didnt show up. Seemed to outperform the car)
RK - B (Seemed to have a steeper learning curve than Lewis - I guess the car was harder to drive. Very good tho)
HK - B- (Very good towards the end, very poor at the start. I like him so I probably over-judged him)
GF - C (season to forget)
NR - B+ (hard to really tell how well he did - was he good or was wurz bad? Either way he qualified and raced well, so well done)

Others - Bored of this now :

#24 Allin

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:04

Top 10 in order of the championship:

KR - B+
LH - B+
FA - B+
FM - A-
NH - A
RK - B
HK - B-
GF - C+
NR - B-
DC - C

#25 Galko877

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:04

Originally posted by KWSN - DSM
Raikkonen: A+
All drivers makes mistakes, he drove as well as anyone in most races, and since France have dominated the Championship.

Massa: B
A supreme number 2 driver, arguably the best such ever at Ferrari. Massa have really come of age, and his inherent speed is unquestioned. I do have doubts of his ultimate racecraft, and he is simply good enough on a wet track.

Hamilton: A-
A great talent, how have performed way above his expectations, the 'minus' is due to his last two races.

Alonso: B+
Still in my mind the outright best driver in the field, but we have this season learned sides of him, which he has carried on to the track.


Agreed. :up:

#26 Orin

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:05

Admitted bias: McLaren, plus would have loved to see Hamilton win.

Raikkonen: A
Took time to adapt to the Bridgestones, but didn't resort to wild manoeuvres to make up the difference. After getting on top of the tyres, really outstanding.

Massa: B-
Still doesn't quite look like a WDC candidate, and not on par with the top 3. Seems to panic under pressure. Made the most of his familiarity with Bridgestones in the early part of the season, but began to be left behind in the second part. Nevertheless, a quality driver.

Hamilton: A
Some rash decisions (in Nurburgring, China, Brazil) prevent him from earning the '+', but a remarkable debut made under huge pressure from his teammate and the distraction of the spying scandal. An indication of his impact is that he is judged on the same level as Raikkonen and Alonso after only a season.

Alonso: B-
Some great drives, mixed with some rash decisions (first corners in Spain and Canada, stupid payback in Hungary). Couldn't get on top of the tyres in the early part of the season and couldn't accept that a rookie might be able to beat him on merit. Still a top 3 driver, but a poor season.

Heidfeld: B+
A typically rock solid season from perhaps the most consistent performer in F1.

Kubica: A-
Looks better than Heidfeld already and that indicates a huge talent.

Kovalainen: A-
Struggled in an awful car in the early season, but has progressed in leaps and bounds since. Annihilated his experienced teammate in the latter part of the season.

Fisichella: C-
Can obviously shuffle an F1 car round the circuit at some speed, but is now a known quantity and a mediocre one at that. Time to make way for fresh talent.

Rosberg: A
Perhaps flattered by his teammates, but all indications are that he's one of the most exciting new drivers in F1.

Wurz: D+
Experience paid dividends in some of the more chaotic races, but wasn't really up to the job.

Nakajima: X
Need a little more time to judge.

Coulthard: B
A fantastic season from the veteran, plenty of fight left in him, still somewhat hampered by qualifying (but markedly less so than in recent years).

Webber: B+
An excellent season and still showing flashes of brilliance.

Trulli: B-
Hard to say given the equipment at his disposal, but another solid year.

Ralf: D-
Looked slow and cack-handed. Looked faster when his seat was under threat, looked faster still when it was gone completely. Simply doesn't have the hunger to compete at the required level.

Liuzzi: C
Seemed to perk up with Vettel's arrival, but he's always been a non-entity.

Speed: D-
You can't behave like Alonso when you've only been given a modicum of talent.

Vettel: A-
Thrown in at the deep end and to fantastic effect, seems to have single-handedly lifted the whole team with him. Hugely promising.

Button: A-
Gave a series of masterclasses in how to compete at the top level in an absolute shitbox, involved in many of the best scraps of the season. Deserving of a better car.

Barrichello: C-
Started well, but seemed content to coast through the season once it was established that the car wasn't going to improve.

Sato: C+
By no means a great talent, but a great effort.

Davidson: C-
Seems pretty erratic, but some signs of pace. Don't expect a huge improvement next year.

Sutil: C+
Too erratic, but shows potential to improve.

Yamamoto: F
The most frightening man in F1? Not deserving of a seat, a real liability.

Albers: C+
Didn't seem too bad, probably deserved more time to prove himself.

#27 Montoya1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:19

Originally posted by Allin
Top 10 in order of the championship:

KR - B+
LH - B+
FA - B+
FM - A-
NH - A
RK - B
HK - B-
GF - C+
NR - B-
DC - C


Well it took 24 posts, but congrats on being the first poster to let the bias/fanboyism prevent any attempt at a mature, reasoned analysis. I could, at a stretch, put Massa on the same mark as Kimi, Lewis and Alonso, but not a higher one.

Unless the F1 season you watched took place in a parallel universe where FM creamed everyone?

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:26

Raikkonen: A
Is the champion that's all

Massa: B
Inconsistent, he lost a grat chance....

Hamilton: A
the new star

Alonso: B
Even with some reasons, i waited some more

Heidfeld: B
Solid

Kubica: B +
the future

Kovalainen: B -
good half of season

Fisichella: B - -
I wanty to see him in a Williams

Rosberg: B +
a surprise

Wurz: F
no comment

Nakajima:
Not enough races to judge.

Coulthard: B - -
nice job

Webber: B -
some good performances

Trulli: B - -
great qual, inconsistent races

Ralf: D -
bye

Liuzzi: C
nice half of season

Speed: D
mediocre

Vettel: B -
i want to see him in 2008, probably can deliver

Button: C
mediocre season in a crap car

Barichello: C -
time to retire

Sato: C
some good races

Davidson: C -
too many crashes

Sutil: C
too many crashes

Yamamoto: D
too many crashes

Albers: F
only crashes

#29 Allin

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:32

Originally posted by Montoya1


Well it took 24 posts, but congrats on being the first poster to let the bias/fanboyism prevent any attempt at a mature, reasoned analysis. I could, at a stretch, put Massa on the same mark as Kimi, Lewis and Alonso, but not a higher one.

Unless the F1 season you watched took place in a parallel universe where FM creamed everyone?

No, NH was the driver of the year for me.

#30 Montoya1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:34

Fair enough, although I don't agree.

But did you really mean to put Massa ahead of his team-mate and the 2 McLarens??

#31 Allin

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:35

Originally posted by Montoya1
Fair enough, although I don't agree.

But did you really mean to put Massa ahead of his team-mate and the 2 McLarens??

Yes. He was an underdog before the season, a scapegoat late in the season and suffered more problems than any of the top 3.

KR, LH and FA all ****ed up more in my opinion.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:38

Originally posted by Montoya1


Well it took 24 posts, but congrats on being the first poster to let the bias/fanboyism prevent any attempt at a mature, reasoned analysis. I could, at a stretch, put Massa on the same mark as Kimi, Lewis and Alonso, but not a higher one.

Unless the F1 season you watched took place in a parallel universe where FM creamed everyone?


In his world Fisi outscores DC, you gotta laugh! :lol:

#33 Montoya1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:41

I think Massa's main 'problem' was that he had no answer for Kimi once he was fully on it.

I will concede he did better than I expected, and maybe one day can string a WDC together.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:47

Admitted bias: Ferrari if anything

Raikkonen: B+
Struggled somewhat at the start of the season but really delivered at the business end of it. Expecting a better season next year.

Massa: B
Probably the fastest man over 1 lap this year but still needs to adapt to conditions a bit better.

Hamilton: A+, or B if we ignore the rookie factor.
Amazing season, helped by what i still believe was the best package- especially for a rookie. Not sure mclaren will be quiet as good next year given what has gone on this year at the team, however hamilton should be even better!

Alonso: C
Poor season. Let hamilton get into his head. He really missed out on an "easy" WDC this year because of it.

Heidfeld: B
Can't really fault the guy too much as he was racing himself for a lot of the season. Was up against a really fast rookie, but unlike alonso he kept his head when he was out paced and responded. Hope to see him join the WDC fight next year.

Kubica: B
Another great "rookie" season.

Kovalainen: B-
Hard to judge given his team mates lack of form and the poor car.

Fisichella: D
What happened this guy....

Rosberg: B+
Too much talent in F1 these days, otherwise this guy would certainly be in a top car next year. Lets hope williams deliver on what they have been promising but i have my doubts.

Wurz: D-
Too long out and just couldn't get up speed. I won't fail him because he is a top guy and at least had the balls to step aside!

Coulthard: C+
Same problems. Slow over 1 lap, but usually has a good strategy for the race.

Webber: B+
Still has no luck but has some serious pace. Would really like to see him up against a quality team mate for a better comparsion. Give him the mclaren seat!

Trulli: B -
Another good qualifying year but struggled again in the races. Would be interesting to see him up against alonso next year!

Ralf: D -
The guy just seems to have given up for a large part. Seemed fast at time but he still can't use his mirror's.

Liuzzi: C+
Average driver at best.

Speed: C+
Seemed a little hard done by imo.

Vettel: B
Some very costly errors but with another huge talent.

Button: B
OP Impossible to judge, seemed to do what he could.

Barichello: B -
OP: See Button.

Sato: C+
Didn't see much of him but davidson seem to get the better of him- or that might just be UTV coverage speaking.

Davidson: C+
Solid driver that put in a few good performance, especially in qualifying.

Sutil: B-
Again hard to judge given the lack of comparsions and coverage but seems to have some good speed.

Yamamoto: F
Slow

Albers: D/E/F!
Can't remember!

#35 Allin

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:48

Originally posted by Montoya1
I think Massa's main 'problem' was that he had no answer for Kimi once he was fully on it.

I will concede he did better than I expected, and maybe one day can string a WDC together.

I think the sample is too small to say FM had no answer. For example, he beat KR in Brazil.

#36 Montoya1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:03

Originally posted by Allin
he beat KR in Brazil.


???

OK, you 100% saw a different race to me.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:05

Originally posted by Montoya1


???

OK, you 100% saw a different race to me.


Just ignore "Allin". Otherwise he“ll turn this thread into anti-Kimi bashfest, as he has done to several threads over the years...

...using different usernames, of course ;)

#38 Montoya1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:09

He is welcome to try that, but there is no way he can force facts to be replaced by his deluded agenda.

I guess he us trying to imply that the fact FM held P1 for many laps actually has any bearing on the relative performance of the two Ferraris? Sadly for him that has no virtue in the real world that the rest of us live in.

#39 Allin

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:14

Originally posted by Montoya1


???

OK, you 100% saw a different race to me.

He was quicker in qualifying, lead the race and then Ferrari played the pitstop game and called FM in early in order not to make the team orders too obvious.
It's also possible that FM intentionally slipped before his stop in order to make the job easier to KR. For sure he knew he had to slow down enough during the three laps betwee their respective stops. Didn't you get it this way?

FM himself said he helped the team in Brazil.

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#40 Montoya1

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:22

but we don't know the true pace of KR and FM given that both knew what was required of them in various scenarios and did what was needed. Massa may have beaten Kimi on occasions but at no point on Sunday could that be said with any conviction.

I am amazed that Massa tried to set a new fastest lap near the end when he should have been cruising. If he had binned it he would now be looking for a new job. He was trying to make a point and could have ended up looking a total clown.

Face it, over the whole season KR and LH did a better job, by a small margin, than their teammates.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 15:52

Ten have stood out, but the performances have been too close for me to order them. Kimi was probably the best but there was very little in it. So, my top ten alphabetically:

Fernando Alonso B+ Up and down. Some brilliance.

Jenson Button B+ Started the year poorly, then superb.

Lewis Hamilton B+ As a driver, not a rookie (as a rookie, A+, but you don't get points for being a novice).

Nick Heidfeld B+ Quietly got on with being one of the best drivers in the field.

Heikki Kovalainen B Started the year poorly; improved enormously.

Robert Kubica B Slightly behind Nick over the season but not much in it. I can see them swapping positions in the championship for years to come.

Felipe Massa B+ Perhaps unfairly, I still think of him as having shallower reserves than the other three title contenders, but he was excellent this year.

Kimi Raikkonen B+ The first half of the season was a little disappointing - he looked like a very good driver, rather than a great one - but back to his best in the second half.

Nico Rosberg B+ I think perhaps being in a Williams meant some of his errors didn't receive the attention which those by drivers in faster cars did, but I think he'd do as well as those drivers in the faster cars if he were in them.

Mark Webber B Like Rosberg. Deserved many more points.


Then

Sebastien Vettel C+ Inexperienced but very promising. Very promising indeed. Only C+ because of his problems but I expect to rate him much higher in the coming years.

Adrian Sutil C Which is lower than his speed deserves, but he did crash quite a lot.

Jarno Trulli C A bit of a stab in the dark, this one. The Toyota looked horrible.

Giancarlo Fisichella C Started well but perhaps he slipped back a bit (on top of Heikki getting faster).

David Coulthard C Not as fast as he once was but good at picking up points. And technically skilled. Which leads me to...

Alex Wurz How to rate him? C-? If we're including his technical skill in the rating, then he must be higher. I'm glad he had another chance to race and he had a couple of excellent drives. The gap to Rosberg is perhaps more to do with Rosberg's speed than Wurz's lack of it.

Ralf Schumacher C- Often unfairly maligned in his career, but this wasn't a good season.

Takuma Sato and Anthony Davidson C-? Each had his moments. Takuma was luckier in that a couple of his came when the car was fast.

Sakon Yamamoto C- He held up pretty well against Sutil.

Tonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed C- But in another team they'd probably have driven better and I still hope that Liuzzi can show his earlier brilliance in another team.

Christian Albers E+ What happened? I rate his previous seasons quite highly but 2007 was horrible.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 16:32

Raikkonen - A- : A few mistakes, but the people's champion

Massa - B+ : Generally very close to Kimi

Hamilton - A- : What a rookie season. Seems like an arrogant twerp.

Alonso - B : Shellshocked by Hamilton, Seems like a total arsehole.

Heidfeld - A- : Hardy an error all season

Kubica - B : Great visual effects in Canada :)

Kovalainen - B- : Righted the ship after a tough start

Fisichella - D+ : Now would be a good time to devote himself to his other racing interests. :cry:

Rosberg - B : A little dodgy here and there, but a great future

Wurz - C : Great guy, poor qualifier

Webber - C+ : I keep thinking there should be more there.

Coulthard - B- : Fine racer, not the best qualifier

Trulli - C+ : Fine qualifier, not the best racer

Ralf - D : Please enjoy your retirement, you don't seem to enjoy F1. :rolleyes:

Button - B : Maybe he should've listened to Frank W.

Barrichello - D+ : No points eh Rubens? Retirement or Patrese's record?

Liuzzi - C+ : Probably saved his career, now let's get on with it lad.

Vettel - B : Hype justified? It appears so.

Speed - C : Good pace, but "issues"

Sato - B- : A solid, quiet year in a poor car.

Davidson - C- : Maybe he's not all that great afterall.

Sutil - B- : Best by far at his team.

Albers - D+ : Won't see him again.

Yamamoto - D- : The weakest driver of 2007.

All of the rest get - Incomplete - not enough races.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 20:39

KR - B+ (started the year with a stutter but came on strong at the end)
FM - C (erratic performances, showed somes flashes on brilliance but not enough)
LH - A- (fantastic rookie season)
FA - B (Performed mostly OK on track and appaulingly off it)
RK - C+ (Good solid performer in a very competitive car)
NH - C+ (Ditto RK)
HK - C (Some great performances but had occasional lapses)
GF - C- (Complete average performer, should have done better)
JT - C (If he could race as good as he can qualify he'd have been a multiple WDC by now)
RS - C- (poor season overall, did a fair job in some races)
DC - C (Good old reliable DC, improvements to the car helped a lot towards season's end)
MW - B- (Did a surprisingly good job this year)
JB - B- (Anybody prepared to drive that hunk of junk deserves an A+, showed very mature attitude and
brought home some extremely valuable points)
RB - C (Ditto JB. Unlucky not to score any points, had a couple of chances)
SV - C+ (May have scored higher if he'd done the whole season, showed a lot of promise)
AL - C (Never rated him, but did OK once SV came to team - no idea why?)
NR - B- (Really good season, matured such a lot and really showed his teammates up)
AW - D+ (Got some really valuable points for the team, but overall had a poor season)
AD - C (Surprised me a lot, good at qualifying, but not so good in races)
TS - C- (Dissappointing, I thought he'd perform much better against AD)
AS - C- (Hard to shine in this car, but still needed to do more to get a higher rating)
SY - D+ (Out of his depth in F1 I'd say, but didn't throw car a scenery too much)