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[robert dick]

Some photos from the 1908 Grand Prix des Voiturettes, Dieppe:

Alcyon:
twin-cylinder, bore/stroke 78/150 mm, L-head, Hele-Shaw clutch, 3-speed gearbox, wheelbase 215 cm, track 115 cm, tires 750x90.

No. 32 (weight 613 kg) was driven by Dominique and mechanic Dumas:
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/alcyon/alcyon_52_1908_voitur_102-lr.jpg

No. 52 (weight 611 kg) - Roisant, mechanic Aublet:
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/alcyon/alcyon_32_1908_voitur_110-lr.jpg

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Ariès:
single-cylinder, 100/180 mm, overhead camshaft, four vertical valves, four plugs, single disc clutch, 4-speed gearbox, wheelbase 225 cm, track 123 cm, tires 810x90.

No 14 (weight 643 kg) - Meaux de Saint-Marc, mechanic Guérin:
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/aries/aries_14_1908_voitur-099-lr.jpg

No. 39 (weight 632 kg) - Perrot - mechanic Margoutte:
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/aries/aries_32_1908_voitur-101-lr.jpg

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Bailleau:
probably powered by a De Dion L-head single in the dimensions of 100/160 mm (no precisions concerning the engine in the contemporary press), wheelbase 200 cm, track 125 cm, tires 760x90.

No. 12 (weight 670 kg) - Bailleau, mechanic Gant:
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/bailleau/bailleau_19_1908_voitur-096-lr.jpg

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Isotta-Fraschini:
four-cylinder, 62/100 mm, overhead camshaft, two valves per cylinder, Hele-Shaw clutch, 4-speed gearbox, wheelbase 210 cm, track 125 cm, tires 710x90.

No. 41 (weight 610 kg) - Alfieri Maserati, mechanic Pontiroli
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/isotta/isotta_41_2_1908_voitur-115-lr.jpg

No. 59 (weight 616 kg) - Felice Buzio, mechanic Butti
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/isotta/isotta_59_1908_voitur-107-lr.jpg

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Lion-Peugeot:
single-cylinder, 100/170 mm, L-head, leather cone clutch, 4-speed gearbox, wheelbase 215 cm, track 115 cm, tires 700x90.

No. 10 (weight 610 kg) - Giuppone, mechanic Péan
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/lion-peugeot/lion-peugeot_10_1908_voitur-097-lr.jpg

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Martini:
four-cylinder, 62/90 mm, overhead camshaft, two valves per cylinder, Hele-Shaw clutch, 3-speed gearbox, wheelbase 220 cm, track 120 cm, tires 810x90.

No. 30 (weight 627 kg) - Boris, mechanic Kaeser
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/martini/martini_30_1908_voitur-100-lr.jpg

No. 50 (weight 601 kg) - Sanvico, mechanic Perret
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/martini/martini-50_1908_voitur-109-lr.jpg

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Rolland-Pilain:
four-cylinder, 62/115 mm, "automatic" (atmospheric) intake valve, leather cone clutch, 4-speed gearbox, wheelbase 220 cm, track 125 cm, tires 700x90.

No. 42 (weight ?) - Marnier, mechanic ?
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/rolland/rolland_42_1908_voitur_111-lr.jpg

No. 60 (weight 607 kg) - Louison, mechanic Métais
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/rolland/rolland_60_2_1908_voitur-106-lr.jpg

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Thieulin:
no technical specifications in the contemporary press.

No. 35 (weight 614 kg) - Thieulin, mechanic Sarner
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/thieulin/thieulin_25_1908_voitur-103-lr.jpg

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Truffault:
single-cylinder, 100/150 mm, L-head, epicycloidal Bozier transmission, wheelbase 215 cm, track 120 cm, tires 710x90.

No. 23 (weight 609 kg) - Charlas, mechanic Constantin
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/truffault/truffault_23_1908_voitur_098-lr.jpg

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Werner:
single-cylinder De Dion, 100/160 mm, L-head, leather cone clutch, 4-speed gearbox, wheelbase 230 cm, track 125 cm, tires 810x90.

No. 40 (weight 599 kg + 5 kg "de lest") - Molar, mechanic Dubreuil
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/werner/werner_40_1908-114-lr.jpg

No. 58 (weight 605 kg) - Vallée, mechanic Georges
www.artonline.nl/heritage-specials/catalogs/werner/werner_58_1908-108-lr.jpg

[Terry Walker]

Magnificent photos!

[ensign14]

Oh wow, this is absolute gold dust. Many, many thanks.

Just on first impressions...if that's Dubreuil in the mechanic seat of the Werner, he looks like he might be the youngest participant in a decent quality motor sport event. He only looks about 12. Could it be Molar Jr? (a sort of milk tooth)

[uechtel]

Those Werner cars look great. Seems the two cars had only one bodywork to share.

[GIGLEUX]

n°40, first entry gave Stoudza as driver, then L'Automobile said Molar, and from La Course Automobile à Dieppe we have Molon!

[ensign14]

Well, at least there WAS a Molon or two. Molon or Molar? Something to get our teeth into.

[quintin cloud]

Cool, great photos

[robert dick]

The contemporary press:
L'Automobile, in the pre-race report:
no. 17 for Molon, no. 40 for G. Stourdza, no. 58 for Vallée;
in the race report:
no. 17 for Molar/Triguili, no. 40 for Molar/Dubreuil, no. 58 for Vallée/Georges;
in the results:
Molon jeune, Molon aîné (the younger and the older Molon), and Vallée

Omnia, in the pre-race report:
Molon, Prince G. Stourdza, Vallée;
in the results:
Molon jeune, Molon aîné, Vallée.

La Vie Automobile, in the pre-race report:
Molon, Prince Stourdza, Vallée;
in the results:
Molon jeune, Molon aîné, Vallée.

The problem is that the driver of no. 40 Werner does not look like one of the Molon brothers (in my view).
Maybe the mysterious Prince (Grigori?) Stourdza (of Moldavia?) is at the wheel in the photo, and was replaced by one of the Molon brothers.

[fuzzi]

Wonderful photos, many thanks for sharing them

While we were over in France in September (missing the Dieppe GP celebrations We did a lap of the Grand Prix course. The basis of the circuit was fairly obvious from the modern roads, although there are obvious changes, but we had hells own job picking up the start as the roads tight in to the town have been changed. If I'd seen photos of this quality before I'd left home I would have headed for the horse race track to see if the grandstands (shown in the photos) are still there, and it would have given me a good lead as to where to begin.

Maybe next year after Classic Le Mans

[bradbury west]

Try Roger Clark's excellent thread on Dieppe GP below

http://forums.autosp...ighlight=Dieppe

with excellent period and modern photos

It is always worth doing a BB Search for a topic- BB button is at the top right of the main page for TNF

Roger Lund.

[Rob G]

Thanks for posting these fantastic photos. These cars look very compact compared to the leviathans of the era.

[fuzzi]

Originally posted by bradbury west
Try Roger Clark's excellent thread on Dieppe GP below

http://forums.autosp...ighlight=Dieppe

with excellent period and modern photos

It is always worth doing a BB Search for a topic- BB button is at the top right of the main page for TNF

Roger Lund.

Thanks for pointing out the earlier thread. As you say I should have checked and not relied on books. I'll print out the thread before I go to France next year.

PS We did the Boulogne circuit on the way back to the Shuttle and at least two thirds of that are still single carriageway and are very evocative of the period photos I have seen.

[robert dick]

A few days before the race, the magazine Omnia published a photo showing a Werner (a prototype - wood wheels - no race number) with "our no. 40 driver" at the wheel. Comment: "Werner, montée par Molon".

So probably the driver of no. 40 Werner is Lucien Molon, and not Prince Stourdza with his valet de chambre as mechanic.