So here it is, I guess we should all post Ferrari related stuff in here now from now on.
Let's indeed hope the Maranello magicians will again come up with a beauty and a winner

Posted 25 October 2007 - 15:29
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Originally posted by metz
The team has stated that they already know what needs to change and be improved from the F2007.
Asside from the technical reg changes, where do the improvements need to be made?
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 16:09
Originally posted by AFCA
Let's indeed hope the Maranello magicians will again come up with a beauty and a winner!
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We know for a fact that ALL cars will have at least 1 MP-4 part...;)Originally posted by vroom-vroom
They'll be red MP-4/22's.
Posted 25 October 2007 - 17:59
Originally posted by GVera
Does somebody now how the lack of TC impacts in the design of a car?
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 18:46
F1Champion
My views on the design of the F2008.
Slightly shorter wheelbase, although this could go in any direction as Ferrari will analyse the best wheelbase for a non TC car as tyre wear seems to go up quite a lot. Nonetheless I think they'll go slightly shorter. It'll help in the short twisty tracks.
Whether it will help increase the tyre temps to help on a qualifying lap I'm not sure because prior to the season everyone thought a longer car with more weight on the axis' equalled an increase in tyre temp although Ferrari came out and said that the longer wheelbase was selected for its kindness to tyres, which looking back on what a very good move because the race pace of the F2007 was good and they could use the softs better in the race, although not so well in qualifying. Using their logic if longer was chosen for kindness to tyres a slight shortening should help raise the temps enough for qualifying whilst not sacrificing race pace too much. I'm sure they'll work on the suspension to ensure the trade-off is diminished even further. I know this analysis is rather simple and doesn't take into account of weight distribution, springs, dampers and suspension angles but we'll assume that they're not radically changed since the F2007 was pretty good. Either way they'll be working hard on the tyre chassis relationship because initial reports of non-TC driving seems to be quite hard on tyre wear.
Mechanical grip will be worked on to ensure better performances at street circuits and tight twisty circuits. Aero grip seems to be good but Ferrari need to improve the mechanical grip. Whether a by-product of this will be better kerb handling, I'm not sure, but like some have already said the performance of the Ferrari over kerbs needs to be improved. The Ferrari couldn't hammer the Monza kerbs or the kerbs are some other circuits as well as they could. Ferrari know the 2007 tyre wear so they'll probably revise the suspension and no-keel concept further as well as making the arms as aero efficient as possible.
Aero wise, I expect to see some of the Fuji update on the car that wasn't actually seen by any of us. I think we'll see more integrated aero parts like the sidepod wings flowing seamlessly into the radiator chimneys as one part. The sidepods might have some work done to them not just in their cooling but the way air flows around and into it because the cockpit wings were introduced this year to improve airflow into and around the sidepod when running higher front wing angles(?). Not sure about the airbox and whether it will remain as large as it did as it cooled the gearbox as well as providing air to the inlet valves. That might be revised or kept given the gearbox longevity of 4 races.
Finally there should be an even more tightly packaged rear end. Ferrari will work on the gearbox to make sure its reliable (4 races) as well as the hydraulics to even early season reliability.
Posted 25 October 2007 - 19:17
Originally posted by AFCA
Now the 2007 season is over and work on the F2008 (if it's going to be called that) is well underway, some of you were keen to see a new thread started about this already.
So here it is, I guess we should all post Ferrari related stuff in here now from now on.
Let's indeed hope the Maranello magicians will again come up with a beauty and a winner!
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 23:08
Originally posted by black magic
ferrari demonstrated towards teh end of the season they had got the supersofts working well come race.
the rear suspension seems to be where they figure they can offset the disadvatages of longer whellbase.
I guessing they'll stay long but continue to work at ways of getting more in qual.(?pressures)
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 09:09
Originally posted by ATM_Andy
Hi All,
Chassis:
A shorter car will indeed give better traction at the rear end, a by product will be increased tyre wear.
Aerodynamics
The Overall centre of pressure of the car will be slightly more reward than present designs, this will be to give additional traction at the rear at the high speed corners. The side pods will be slightly smaller, however expect to see more devices to pull a better flow into them. Most teams will run a cascade front wing, Id expect so see many combinations of the BMW (lower) and McLaren (cascade) wings, giving maximum ground affect and maximum flow management over the car.
Suspension:
Loosing TC will mean a lot of work on the suspension especially at the rear of the car, expect a much more aggressive geometry to manage longitudinal movement and get better traction. This will increase tyre wear but it is necessary for lap time. Dampers will be more stressed a very soft rebound be required whilst maintaining maximum stiffness.
General Characteristics
All of the 2008 cars will have more under-steer as a more stable platform is required due to the loss of TC.
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 09:17
Originally posted by Enzoluis
It is possible to improve the engines or are still frozen?
Posted 26 October 2007 - 10:02
I agree. What worries me is the amount of fairly major changes required to cope with a non-TC car, overall centre of pressure and suspension and possibly weight distribution(?) all to achieve better traction out of corners. One mess-up could be pretty expensive.
I get the impression that slightly different design philosophies from the various teams could have quite large performance ramifications. The balance between front and rear could have a big impact on handling.
Whilst the 2008 cars might have more understeer I think that Ferrari are going to have to listen to Kimi and Massa's regarding how they want the car to be. Kimi isn't too keen on understeer is he(?) although I've read that he can cope with it. Massa can cope with understeer. Ferrari are going to have to think about driver preferences against having a naturally understeery car to protect the tyres which will be paramount in 08. Quite a big decision to make no? Or can driver preferences at the front be achievable with setup?
(Ferrari are going to have to make sure that if the car is naturally understeery that they can run heavy angled wing at the front of the car and be sure airflow over the rest of the car isn't disturbed too much, it was an issue in 05, and a slight issue in 06 and 07, although the aero upgrades in 07 helped alot in this area.)
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 10:14
Originally posted by kar
Given what happened to Honda when they tried to be radical I think largely the cars in 2008 will be evolutionary.
I do worry about the Renault though, I have a sneaking worry/suspicion they will come out with a rocketship.
Posted 26 October 2007 - 10:29
I do worry about the Renault though, I have a sneaking worry/suspicion they will come out with a rocketship.
Given what happened to Honda when they tried to be radical I think largely the cars in 2008 will be evolutionary.
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Originally posted by ATM_Andy
It's all fun and games in the end...
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Kimi will enjoy a long holiday now and will probably not test before January.
Posted 28 October 2007 - 15:27
Originally posted by AFCA
The package was developed as a result of Ferrari's collaboration with its Client Test Drivers and with the invaluable support of Michael Schumacher.
Posted 28 October 2007 - 16:14
Originally posted by AFCA
which he does with the seriousness we know him for: he's the first to arrive in the morning and the last to go in the evening.''
Posted 28 October 2007 - 16:31
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Posted 28 October 2007 - 16:36
Originally posted by jokuvaan
hello86, I dont know where you picked those but according to finnish paper, Kimi said that his aim is to win again next year and there are plenty of new challenges with new TC rule .(not more difficult.)
Also 08-car should be easier to get familiar.
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To save others the trouble of figuring out where Serramazzoni is: it's about 20km southwest of Maranello.Originally posted by AFCA
I don't know what this is meant to indicate but apperantly Ross Brawn vacated (taking all the furniture out and so on) his house close to Serramazzoni ten days ago...
Posted 29 October 2007 - 11:30
Originally posted by AFCA
I don't know what this is meant to indicate but apperantly Ross Brawn vacated (taking all the furniture out and so on) his house close to Serramazzoni ten days ago...
Posted 29 October 2007 - 11:37
Originally posted by gerry nassar
Thanks for the pic. Who is the 4th driver (after the race drivers and Badoer)??
Posted 29 October 2007 - 11:42