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[ferrariwonagain]

Badoer said Ferrari probably has an advantage in terms of speed but they have to solve some little problems (I guess he meant about reliability), Nico Rosberg thinks Ferrari is 0.2 seconds faster than McLaren.

[Josta]

Piquet isn't exactly setting the testing times on fire. I am surprised because he was always really quick over 1 lap in GP2.

[Enkei]

Originally posted by ferrariwonagain
Badoer said Ferrari probably has an advantage in terms of speed but they have to solve some little problems (I guess he meant about reliability), Nico Rosberg thinks Ferrari is 0.2 seconds faster than McLaren.

That's an accurate estimation, nearly impossible to tell imo.
Depending on track characteristics, it could mean they're evenly matched, but I still think it's impossible to tell anything about the pace of McLaren and Ferrari.

[BiH]

from 1st to 10th less then second difference thats really good

[WilliamsF1Jambo]

The interesting thing for me is at the last Barca test the StR of Vettel was lapping in 21.6. Was that an early morning run when the track was quicker, was the track rubbered in more?

Or is it just that these times are not as representative as we would like.

Again all we can say is that without the relevent information from the track we know very little.

[ferrariwonagain]

Originally posted by Enkei


That's an accurate estimation, nearly impossible to tell imo.
Depending on track characteristics, it could mean they're evenly matched, but I still think it's impossible to tell anything about the pace of McLaren and Ferrari.

yeah, I agree.

[Jimages]

What's your source for these times ImmortaL?

[ImmortaL]

Originally posted by ImmortaL
1. K. Nakajima Williams FW30 1:22.153 32 pit
2. H. Kovalainen McLaren MP4-23 1:22.185 +0.032 64 pit
3. P. de la Rosa McLaren MP4-23 1:22.208 +0.055 92 pit
4. F. Massa Ferrari F2008 1:22.213 +0.060 96 pit
5. N. Rosberg Williams FW30 1:22.248 +0.095 109 pit
6. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB4 1:22.477 +0.324 82 pit
7. D. Coulthard Red Bull Racing RB4 1:22.499 +0.346 104 pit
8. L. Badoer Ferrari F2008 1:22.535 +0.382 102 pit
9. F. Alonso Renault R28 1:22.657 +0.504 61 pit
10. T. Glock Toyota TF108 1:22.901 +0.748 110 pit
11. N. Piquet Jr. Renault R28 1:23.286 +1.133 105 pit
12. K. Kobayashi Toyota TF108 1:24.132 +1.979 56 pit
13. N. Hülkenberg Williams FW30 1:24.222 +2.069 54 pit

Piquet is the only one outside the 1:22's of all the racing drivers. I wonder why is that. His times on long runs also are not impressive. Nott lookin good for him IMO.

[Gilles4Ever]

Originally posted by Jimages
What's your source for these times ImmortaL?

http://www.f1today.n...t-de-catalunya/
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/65259

[ImmortaL]

Originally posted by Jimages
What's your source for these times ImmortaL?

f1today.nl

[ferrariwonagain]

Autosport report says "Massa showed the f2008 had the edge on long runs pace"

[Jimages]

Thank you.

[kar]

Originally posted by ImmortaL


Piquet is the only one outside the 1:22's of all the racing drivers. I wonder why is that. His times on long runs also are not impressive. Nott lookin good for him IMO.

It's too hard not to - but clearly Alonso is showing his 6 tenths ... :-)

[barteks]

BMW Sauber F1 Team - Test in Valencia - Day three
02-21-2008 Press Release

Test in Valencia.

19th – 21st February 2008
Day three – Thursday


Weather conditions: Overcast in the morning, some sunshine in the afternoon.

Temperatures: Air: 12 – 17 °C, Track: 12 – 20 °C

Number of drivers participating: 3 (exclusive BMW Sauber F1 Team test)

Circuit length: 4.005 km

Robert Kubica
Chassis / engine: BMW Sauber F1.08-03 / BMW P86/8
Test kilometres today: 281 km (70 laps)
Fastest lap: 1:12.293 min

Nick Heidfeld
Chassis / engine: BMW Sauber F1.08-02 / BMW P86/8
Test kilometres today: 237 km (59 laps)
Fastest lap: 1:12.258 min

Christian Klien
Chassis / engine: BMW Sauber F1.08-02 / BMW P86/8
Test kilometres today: 129 km (32 laps)
Fastest lap: 1:23.857 min (on wet tyres on wet track)

Programme:
Today the team’s new test driver Christian Klien drove the BMW Sauber F1.08 for the first time familiarizing himself with the car and working procedures of the team. In the morning Klien completed 32 laps in damp conditions, he also did several practice starts and pitstops.

When the sun finally came out in the afternoon regular drivers Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld took over again for the third day of testing in Valencia. Both continued to work on the set-up of the car. Covering 798 kms (197 laps) and 870 kms (217 laps) in total Kubica and Heidfeld further improved the set-up of the new F1.08 car.

BMW Sauber F1 Team Technical Director Willy Rampf said: “Apart from Thursday afternoon weather conditions were far from perfect during the three days. This made work difficult for the engineers. Nevertheless, this was an important and positive test for the team. We were able to complete a race simulation with both cars including pitstops without any problems. This underlines the high level of reliability of the new car. In addition we tested some newly developed parts. We will do more set-up work with the F1.08 next week during the final pre-season test in Barcelona.”


What comes next:
BMW Sauber F1 Team will test again in Barcelona from February 25th to 27th.

[vsubravet]

Heikki is starting to look comfortable with the MP4-23 ; that's a good sign and I do hope his progress is even faster. It does look like the Technical team at McLaren have done a good job; afterall it is the first time in many years that the team is looking very competitive for two consecutive years. I was a bit worried a couple of years back when the team lost quite a few personnel (especially Tombazis), but they have pulled back. It is good to know that the much maligned Matrix structure, at McLaren, has kept the team in good stead Hope they continue to keep up the good work.

[McLarenthebest]

Originally posted by vsubravet
Heikki is starting to look comfortable with the MP4-23 ; that's a good sign and I do hope his progress is even faster. It does look like the Technical team at McLaren have done a good job; afterall it is the first time in many years that the team is looking very competitive for two consecutive years. I was a bit worried a couple of years back when the team lost quite a few personnel (especially Tombazis), but they have pulled back. It is good to know that the much maligned Matrix structure, at McLaren, has kept the team in good stead Hope they continue to keep up the good work.

[Mika Mika]

Date: Thursday 21st February 2008
Drivers: Heikki Kovalainen and Pedro de la Rosa
Location: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
Track Length: 4.655km
Weather: The track was damp to start, but quickly dried. Conditions remained clear during the day
Track temperature: 30°C
Air temperature: 16°C
Laps run today: 156
Kilometres covered today: Heikki - 298km / Pedro - 428km
Best lap time today: Heikki - 1m22.185 at 16:23 / Pedro - 1m22.208 at 15:17
Programme: Heikki and Pedro were able to take to the track for the first time this week as the weather conditions at the Circuit de Catalunya improved. The focus for the team today was aerodynamic development tests.
Next Test: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona (Monday 25th - Wednesday 27th February)


Driver
Constructor Time Laps
Kazuki Nakajima Williams 1m22.153 32
Heikki Kovalainen Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 1m22.185 64
Pedro de la Rosa Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 1m22.208 92
Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m22.213 96
Nico Rosberg Williams 1m22.248 109
Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 1m22.477 82
David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1m22.499 104
Luca Badoer Ferrari 1m22.535 102
Fernando Alonso Renault 1m22.657 61
Timo Glock Toyota 1m22.901 110
Nelson Piquet Renault 1m23.286 105
Kamui Kobayashi Toyota 1m24.132 56
Nico Hulkenberg Williams 1m24.222 54

[hobbes]

Although we can't really draw any major conclusions by looking at the times, i want to see Kimi race against Massa tomorrow

[jokuvaan]

i want to see Kimi race against Massa tomorrow

1. its just testing
2. they would need to swap cars as they are not identical according to TS

[DLaw]

Renault sandbagging?

Me think

[hobbes]

Originally posted by jokuvaan

1. its just testing
2. they would need to swap cars as they are not identical according to TS

I know its just testing but i believe Kimi can drive faster than Massa and Kimi seems more consistent. So even though i dont think Ferrari or any other team are showing their full potential, it would be nice to see whethere Kimi can be faster.

[Owen]

Originally posted by DLaw
Renault sandbagging?

Me think

Who can say? They could all be sandbagging. Or none of them. I think you can only look at 'overall trends'.
Any seasoned fan will tell you that winter testing CAN be misleading in certain circumstances.

[SFMMSKR]

Ferrari's Felipe Massa continued to show the F2008 had the edge on long run pace, even though his fastest lap of the day was just shy of main rivals McLaren.
And to add to that I expect Kimi to be a bit faster than Massa on the long run about 2 tenths.

[JazH]

Originally posted by Owen


Who can say? They could all be sandbagging. Or none of them. I think you can only look at 'overall trends'.
Any seasoned fan will tell you that winter testing CAN be misleading in certain circumstances.

Everyone is sandbagging. Just by what extent we don't know.

There are two things we DO know, both Ferrari and Renaut have sand-bagged in testing in the past to give a tactic edge.

[vsubravet]

Originally posted by SFMMSKR
Ferrari's Felipe Massa continued to show the F2008 had the edge on long run pace, even though his fastest lap of the day was just shy of main rivals McLaren.
And to add to that I expect Kimi to be a bit faster than Massa on the long run about 2 tenths.

Agree that Ferrari may have the edge over McLaren in the long-run stints. Just as KR may be faster than FM I'd expect LH to be a tad faster than HK ;)

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