Rondeau cars
#1
Posted 31 October 2007 - 15:18
I believe a total of 18 chassis was built
1976 : Inaltera (2 chassis)
1977 : Inaltera (1 chassis)
1978 : Rondeau M378 (1 chassis)
1979 : Rondeau M379 (2 chassis)
1980 : Rondeau M379 B (1 chassis)
1981 : Rondeau M379 C (2 chassis)
1982 : Rondeau M382 (7 chassis)
1983 : Rondeau M482 (2 chassis)
We begin by the Inaltera of 1976 and a pic take for the first test at Paul Ricard track in april 1976
#3
Posted 31 October 2007 - 17:48
They was called "Inaltéra" and not Rondeau because all the budget came from a french firm, Inaltéra who sponsored a car for the first time (and also the last time).
Inaltéra-Ford 01 for the track test
Inaltéra-Ford 02 and 03 for Le Mans race
Here is the built of the very first space frame chassis
#4
Posted 31 October 2007 - 17:55
Jean-Pierre Jaussaud do some laps with a camera inboard for a promotional film.
#5
Posted 31 October 2007 - 18:10
#7
Posted 31 October 2007 - 18:22
Does anyone have a photo of the Rondeau that looks like it has a shirt draped over it, from Le Mans (not sure what year)...if so, could you please post it?
#8
Posted 31 October 2007 - 18:59
#9
Posted 31 October 2007 - 19:02
You are right : it's the first chassis M482-01
#10
Posted 31 October 2007 - 19:36
Not sure though if it counts as one of the two M379 cars?
#11
Posted 31 October 2007 - 19:59
I believe that 2 M379 chassis was built in 1979 for the Group 6, and the old M378 still in GTP version was destroyed in an accident
#12
Posted 31 October 2007 - 20:01
Locally, we have Phil Schmidt and his meticulously prepared Rondeau M382-02.
Seen here in an early evening shot at California Speedway.
#13
Posted 31 October 2007 - 20:17
Yes, wallpaper rings a bell. Looking at the pic of the chassis, that to me looks like a real DFV, not a mock-up, while they're still welding up the tubes!Originally posted by dretceterini
Inaltéra was a French home wallpaper and paint company, as far as I am aware.
#14
Posted 31 October 2007 - 20:43
This photo was taken right at the start - over the throng of fans. A light rain had just fallen and the light wasn't the best but made for some interesting shots. (At the time, I really couldn't see what I was aiming at, but fortunately several turned out like this one).
To my eye, this Rondeau is one of most beautiful prototypes ever built - it just looked "right".
#15
Posted 31 October 2007 - 21:19
...plus the M584/M585 Formula Fords of 1984/85.Originally posted by Gerard Gamand
In this new thread, we can examine the wole production of the late Jean Rondeau.
I believe a total of 18 chassis was built
1976 : Inaltera (2 chassis)
1977 : Inaltera (1 chassis)
1978 : Rondeau M378 (1 chassis)
1979 : Rondeau M379 (2 chassis)
1980 : Rondeau M379 B (1 chassis)
1981 : Rondeau M379 C (2 chassis)
1982 : Rondeau M382 (7 chassis)
1983 : Rondeau M482 (2 chassis)
I was at Le Mans in 1978 to see the first eponymous Rondeau (caught a bus from Manchester and bunked off school for a couple of days, with tacit parental approval) and later visited the Rondeau factory (January 1984, if memory serves). I was there to see the first batch of Formula Fords being assembled, ahead of the inaugural French FF1600 Championship.
I spent a few minutes chatting to the man himself: he seemed slightly perplexed by all the Ford-driven media fuss, but he came across as very down to earth - a nice guy. Somewhere, I still have the Ford Sierra XR4i solar calculator that was handed out as the media junket...
#16
Posted 31 October 2007 - 22:46
19 Rondeau ont été construites." was build
Combien en reste-t-il actuellement ?
"Il en reste 17. En 1979, la voiture de Rondeau/Haran a été prise dans une collision au Tertre Rouge. Elle a néanmoins pu revenir "en crabe" jusqu'au stand, mais le châssis était complètement tordu et définitivement inutilisable. En 1981, le regretté Jean-Louis Lafosse s'est tué dans les Hunaudières et la voiture a été détruite." 2 were destroyed , the M378/379 001 at LM in 1979 and M379 004 (fatal crash at LM 1981)
Où se trouvent actuellement les voitures ? Where are they now ?
Les Inaltera : châssis 001 en Suisse - châssis 002 en France, racheté par le Conseil Général - châssis 003 en Suisse
Rondeau M379 : châssis 002 aux USA - châssis 003 en France - châssis 005 en France (en cours de restauration) - châssis 006 en France
Rondeau M382 : châssis 001 en France - châssis 002 aux USA - châssis 003 en France (non roulant actuelement) - châssis 004 en Italie - châssis 005 en France - châssis 006 aux USA - châssis 007 en Italie
Rondeau M482 : châssis 001 (propriété de Jean-Philippe Grand, exposé au Musée de l'Automobile) - châssis 002 en France (Technoparc) - châssis 003 : il était en Alllemagne, a été vendu il ya peu, est recherché.
"15 modèles sont donc encore en état de marche." 15 are still working (2 are have to be restore)
#17
Posted 31 October 2007 - 22:49
Nathan
#18
Posted 31 October 2007 - 22:58
AN VOITURE CHASSIS CODE N° CAT CONCURRENT
1976 Inaltera GTP 001 I001 N°1 GTP Inaltera
1976 Inaltera GTP 002 I002 N°2 GTP Inaltera
1977 Inaltera GTP 001 I001 N°88 GTP Inaltera
1977 Inaltera GR 6 002 I002 N°2 6 Inaltera
1977 Inaltera GR 6 003 I003 N°1 6 Inaltera
1978 Rondeau M 378 001 8001 N°72 GTP Jean Rondeau SKF
1978 Inaltera LM 77 001 I001 N°71 GTP André Chevalley Racing
1979 Rondeau M 379 001 8001 N°55 GTP Jean Rondeau - Merlin Plage
1979 Rondeau M 379 002 9002 N°5 6 Jean Rondeau - VSD Canon
1979 Rondeau M 379 003 9003 N°4 6 Jean Rondeau - ITT Oceanic
1980 Rondeau M 379 B 002 9002 N°17 GTP Jean Rondeau
1980 Rondeau M 379 B 003 9003 N°16 6 Jean Rondeau
1980 Rondeau M 379 B 004 9004 N°15 6 Jean Rondeau
1981 Rondeau M 379 C 002 9002 N°8 GTP Jean Rondeau -L'Automobile
1981 Rondeau M 379 C 003 9003 N°7 GTP Jean Rondeau
1981 Rondeau M 379 C 004 9004 N°25 6 Jean Rondeau Calberson
1981 Rondeau M 379 C 005 9005 N°24 6 Jean Rondeau Otis
1981 Rondeau M 379 C 006 9006 N°26 6 Jean Rondeau Oceanic
1982 Rondeau M 382 003 3003 N°38 C Bussi Team
1982 Rondeau M 382 004 3004 N°24 C Automobiles Jean Rondeau
1982 Rondeau M 382 005 3005 N°11 C Jean Rondeau - Malardeau
1982 Rondeau M 382 006 3006 N°12 C Jean Rondeau - Otis
1982 Rondeau M 379 C 003 9003 N°25 C Primagaz
1982 Rondeau M 379 C 005 9005 N°26 C Jacky Haran
1983 Rondeau M 382 003 3003 N°29 C Christian Bussi
1983 Rondeau M 382 005 3005 N°30 C Primagaz
1983 Rondeau M 382 007 3007 N°72 C Communauté Pays de Loire
1983 Rondeau M 482 001 4001 N°26 C Ford Concessionnaires France
1983 Rondeau M 482 002 4002 N°24 C Ford Concessionnaires France
1983 Rondeau M 482 003 4003 N°25 C Ford Concessionnaires France
1983 Rondeau M 379 C 002 9002 N°28 C Jean Rondeau - Malardeau
1984 Rondeau M 382 003 3003 N°45 C2 Christian Bussi
1984 Rondeau M 382 005 3005 N°50 C Pierre Yver
1984 Rondeau M 482 001 4001 N°37 C Mc Cormack et Dodge
1984 Rondeau M 379 C 006 9006 N°93 C2 Graff Racing
1985 Rondeau M 382 003 3003 N°39 C Bussi Racing
1985 Rondeau M 382 005 3005 N°31 C Primagaz
1985 Rondeau M 482 001 4001 N°67 C Jean Philippe Grand
1985 Rondeau M 482 003 4003 N°46 C2 Bussi Racing
1985 Rondeau M 379 C 006 9006 N°104 C2 Ecurie Blanchet Locatop
1986 Rondeau M 382 003 3003 N°45 C Patrick Oudet Vetir Racing
1986 Rondeau M 482 001 4001 N°47 C Graff Racing
1986 Rondeau M 379 C 006 9006 N°102 C2 Lucien Rossiaud
1987 Rondeau M 482 001 4001 N°40 C Graff Racing
1988 Rondeau M 379 C 006 9006 N°151 C2 Pierre Alain Lombardi
Rondeau M 382 001 3001 n'a jamais roulé au 24H n'a jamais roulé au 24H
Rondeau M 382 002 3002 n'a jamais roulé au 24H n'a jamais roulé au 24H
#19
Posted 31 October 2007 - 23:46
Either way, the achievements of the past are made all the more impressive when one considers that Rondeau probably had no computer access, let alone 3D CAD-CAM, at the time...Makes the achievements of us later mere CAD-equipped mortals pale somewhat by comparison...
As to the aesthetics of Rondeau's cars? Well, whatever takes your fancy. I always thought they looked short, tall and dumpy, with a HUGE glass-house and tiny wheels halfway underneath the car. They did have that "soft, rounded French aero look" though, didn't they? Was Choulet involved? At least the height of the cabin was partly Group C rules-driven - one metre minimum to the top of the windshield, IIRC, although the driver appears to sit very upright. Still, anything is prettyer than a current Daytona Prototype...
And thanks to Gerard for setting yet another very interesting thread in motion - Gerard is fast becoming a Master Thread Opener in my book!
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#20
Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:59
Rodney Dodson.
#24
Posted 01 November 2007 - 12:35
I was late to the sportscar scene and didn't follow it during the late seventies and early eighties. But I remember the head line in a magazine reading: "David beat Goliath", when Rondeau won the World Championship. This was a monthly magazine, so next month they ran the head line: "Goliath beat David" in even bigger typeface. It was of course sad that Porsche got away with that one, but I thought it pretty neat from the magazine editor.
#26
Posted 01 November 2007 - 13:32
#27
Posted 02 November 2007 - 10:07
http://site.voila.fr/assojeanrondeau/
They try to bring 17 Rondeau in LM 2010
#29
Posted 08 November 2007 - 09:24
This lovely Rondeau M382 is for sale :
http://site.voila.fr/assojeanrondeau/
#30
Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:22
#31
Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:43
This first one could be Monopole during the fifties, or Howmet in 1968 or Duckhams in 1972.
i am trying to make a chart with picture, chassis by chassis, about Rondeau at Le Mans. thanks to publish here every photo of Rondeau you own.
#32
Posted 11 December 2007 - 16:55
dont know much about who and how...
#33
Posted 11 December 2007 - 17:25
#34
Posted 13 December 2007 - 22:39
I was the Rondeau distributor for the USA and sold the two M382 cars to Golden Eagle Racing and Bercher Racing there before I had a different with the autocratic Rondeau before/during/after the Daytona 24-hour in 1982.
I do have a pretty huge file of documents, pictures, articles and never-published info about these interesting and fast cars. I eventually was able to drive M379-002 at the Monterey Historics if I recall in 1996. Out-accelerating the Porsche 935's on the straight bits was interesting, diving inside them in tight stuff revealing. These cars were ultra-efficient and well thought out, and no surprise at all that they did so well especially in 1980-81.
If there is any interest, I can begin scanning the pictures, wind-tunnel tests, articles and inner documents here, a few at a time.
I am sometimes in touch with the Amicale Rondeau to which I was able to provide some wanted information. Two thick "sales" books were made by the Rondeau staff (probably by Philippe Beloou), I retain one, I do not know if the other has survived.
You tell me and I will start as my time allows.
Regards,
T54
#35
Posted 14 December 2007 - 00:14
If there is any interest...
There definitely is, T54!
#36
Posted 14 December 2007 - 00:41
you've got my attention!
#37
Posted 14 December 2007 - 00:41
It began in 1980 when I was contacted to become the importer for the US since I already was importing the Stand 21 racing clothing and some racing wheels also made in France. By early 1981, Jean Rondeau made a trip to the US with his girlfriend to see what the market was like and I showed him around. We signed a contract and began working on promoting and importing the then new M382, that did not even exist yet. We flew to Midland and purchased a Chevy engine at Chaparral cars inc. because at that time they were the best money could buy. The engine was sent to le Mans to build an installation kit for the M382. After that I arranged the purchase of various Hilborn parts including mechanical fuel pumps, as well as that of Trucklites taillights and other specialty parts. During the trip, I noted that Jean Rondeau, who had health problems with kidney stones, was having hissy fits and serious temper issues about frankly, unimportant details, to me anyway. I was a bit uneasy with this, but decided to ignore it since my job was to be of marketing, and I would not have to have direct contact with him that often anyway.
I rounded two customers and three more good prospects and we took some deposits on a car that had not turned a wheel yet. I flew to France with these two customers and we went to le Mans where Rondeau had arranged for an M379 test on the short Bugatti track. I had quite an adventure with my Renault R18 rental car when close to le Mans and while flat-out on the freeway, a steering link broke and I found myself careening across the divider, on the roof and against traffic, with a truck stopping pretty close...
Avis got me another car and we arrived to the Rondeau shop where the local press was taking pictures of the "visiteurs Americains". We were all given rides in the yellow "Oceanic" car driven by Henri Pescarolo. It was very uncomfortable but it was obvious that the car was very good and quite easy to manage. I had my personal doubts about the low power of the Cosworth DFL versus the twin-turbo Porsche 935's but I was wrong, the M379 could easily reach 180 before the Tertre Rouge, to my utmost terror (I HATE to be a passenger!), and there was plenty of ooomph left, so the 210-215MPH claim was sustainable. And proven if one considers the 1-3 and 2-3 placing in 1980 and 1981. You don't beat the Porsches by going slower than they did.
Meanwhile the 382 was being built and a few months later, ready for a 24-hour test at Daytona that I helped organise and direct. Our drivers were our customers Bill Koll and one of his driver Skeeter McKitterick plus Sam Posey and Lyn St James. Belcher was observing, Rondeau did not drive. The test went fine at a good pace until 2AM when there was so much ice on the banking that we had to stop for a couple of hours and resumed at about 4.30AM. Everything went fine and the test was successfully completed with no mechanical incident. The car went back to France to be prepared for the 24 Hours, and I sold the second car to Gary Belcher as planned.
This is when things began to get a bit funny. It appeared that, unbeknown to me, Jean Rondeau had also sold the car to... another team! So when I arrived early in the week at Daytona, I was faced with the task of figuring out who owned the second car, and this went nearly into a legal fight with talks of attorneys and marshals seizing the car... I had to use all my diplomatic talents (and I don't have that much of it!) to sort things out. At the end of the day, the Belcher camp won but now we had a situation where the two teams (Golden Eagle and Belcher) were at war with each other and were pitting at opposite ends of the long pit row. I also noted a certain favoritism of Rondeau towards the Golden Eagle team, a great way to attract new customers I guess.
So for the full 24 hours, I walked and ran more miles than a good marathonian... really good if you need to lose weight. I probably do now, I did not at the time!
Run by the very competent Jim Bell, the Belcher car was driven by Gary himself, Danny Sullivan and a young Atlantic driver (forgot his name right now) who promptly over-revved the engine during practice and damaged a valve. No spare engine was available. The Cossies are strong engine but even nursing it, it expired after 18 hours. What a waste.
The Golden Eagle car ran well and was in second place at midnight right behind and in the same lap as the JPL 935 of John Paul Sr. and Jr.
That is, until McKitterick at the wheel did not pay enough attention to the low-fuel light and neglected to set the reserve switch that was making sure that the Lucas injection metering unit did not run dry. And of course it did, instantly seizing up, the car simply stopping at the other end of the track from lack of fuel while still carrying about 5 gallons. And that was it. What a disaster!
After the race, Jean Rondeau had one of his fits and I since I had HAD it by then, I had a pretty strong talk with him and quit on the spot because I was not about working in such insane (for me anyway) conditions. While all the Rondeau employees were the nicest, most talented and kindest people, I know that I am going to disappoint some here, but Jean was simply an elitist with a bad temper, going into screaming sessions that I simply was not going to put up with. It might be the French way, but not for me, thank you very much. His girlfriend, Ms. Brosse, went to see me in my hotel and sweet-talked me into staying and helping until they could find a person to replace me. I accepted, but this never happened.
I helped the Golden Eagle team to get their Chevy engine conversion, took care of the supply of spare parts and pretty much gave up on pursuing the sale of any other cars. I had simply lost my appetite for the company.
Regardless, the cars were brilliant but the ground-effect cars were knocking at the door and that year, the Lola T600 became the thing to have. The best the Golden Eagle team was able to accomplish was a 3rd place if I recall correctly. The M482 was going to correct that but it was never sorted out, then Rondeau got killed in the stupidest of circumstances.
However in Europe, the M382 won at Monza driven by Georgio Francia, did well at le Mans and elsewhere. I feel that Rondeau won the world championship of Makes in 1982, and that Porsche stole it from them by adding points from an obscure placing by a modified 911 turbo that was wrongly thrown in the prototype class in the German leg of the championship because of some non-GT modifs, and the 3 points it garnered were enough to just edge Rondeau by one or two points if I recall correctly.
I think that Porsche lacked the graciousness they should have shown there, but that's another story.
In the USA, Belcher sold his car that was later modified with a Chevy powerplant by Jim Bell and run by a south American team at the Miami Grand Prix a year later (the year of the deluge...).
That was pretty much the last I saw of a Rondeau racing car until 1996 when I was offered to drive 379-02 at Monterey. It was a great ride and lots of fun until the brake seals that needed replacing sucked too much air and left me with no brakes.
Tomorrow I will begin posting pictures from the many I have.
T54
#38
Posted 14 December 2007 - 08:01
#39
Posted 14 December 2007 - 17:00
That was pretty much the last I saw of a Rondeau racing car until 1996 when I was offered to drive 379-02 at Monterey. It was a great ride and lots of fun until the brake seals that needed replacing sucked too much air and left me with no brakes.
Would the car you are speaking of, be the Rondeau that was around N.B. for a while? I saw an M379 in the Le Point livery (IIRC) at Bruce Strauss’ shop around ‘95/’96 when I was having them restore a road car. When I asked about it, the head-wrench said, he didn’t know if it was the ’80 Le Mans winner but, “… the car may be for sale for the right price.” Figuring it was out of my league, I never inquired further…
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#40
Posted 14 December 2007 - 17:07
Wonderful T54 !! And many thanks.
It's a great pleasure to have your comments. Please go on...
#41
Posted 14 December 2007 - 17:49
As far as the le Mans winner, there is a controversy about which chassis it is. MY opinion is that the car in the USA is the right one, but financial reasons MAY have caused the company to sell another chassis as the actual car at an auction in Paris a few years back. Frankly, I do not have enough evidence to say one way or the other but there are distinct details in 379-02 that appear to match with period pictures and would confirm it as the "right" car.
I am sure that others will argue.
The car was indeed in Costa Mesa and was being worked on at the shop you mention. I do not know who owns it now.
#42
Posted 14 December 2007 - 20:18
003 is well known (winner) and is still in France
#43
Posted 15 December 2007 - 17:36
#44
Posted 15 December 2007 - 17:44
anyway T54, i thnik you now thierry Rondel : http://site.voila.fr/assojeanrondeau/
#45
Posted 15 December 2007 - 19:02
#46
Posted 15 December 2007 - 21:46
Originally posted by Gerard Gamand
In 1976, Jean Rondeau and his team built 3 chassis :
They was called "Inaltéra" and not Rondeau because all the budget came from a french firm, Inaltéra who sponsored a car for the first time (and also the last time).
Inaltéra-Ford 01 for the track test
Inaltéra-Ford 02 and 03 for Le Mans race
[...]
My apologies for the pedantic comment, but wasn't the name Inaltera, without an acute diacritic above the e? The pictures in this thread seem to confirm that.
The official 1980 24 Heures du Mans book (ISBN 2-903356-03-3) contains a timeline from Jean Rondeau's and his team au Mans from 1968 until 1980 (pages 143 and 144). There is also additional (and pretty interesting) information on this subject in the 1981, 1984 and 1985 books. The 1981 edition includes a list of chassis built; unfortunately my collection missed the 1982 and 1983 books. I would gladly scan these books and send the images by e-mail to those interested (for copyright reasons I will not post them at TNF).
Cheers,
Sal / Muzza
#47
Posted 15 December 2007 - 22:18
#48
Posted 16 December 2007 - 06:15
The correct spelling is "Inaltera" !
#49
Posted 16 December 2007 - 08:06
AN VOITURE CHASSIS CODE N° CAT CONCURRENT
1976 Inaltera GTP 001 I001 N°1 GTP Inaltera
1976 Inaltera GTP 002 I002 N°2 GTP Inaltera
1977 Inaltera GTP 001 I001 N°88 GTP Inaltera
1977 Inaltera GR 6 002 I002 N°2 6 Inaltera
1977 Inaltera GR 6 003 I003 N°1 6 Inaltera
and under Chevalley racing colours :
1978 Inaltera LM 77 001 I001 N°71 GTP André Chevalley Racing