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[wrighty]

Hi all,
just think, 9 months ago the COT was a plan and i'd never heard of live streams.... haha

Welcome to the final race of the Nascar season, a race which will see Jimmy Johnson take the title with 18th or better, but he has 400 miles to negotiate first.......

good luck, here's to a great, safe race

[richmondgirl]

Hi Wrighty

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Hi Wrighty

richmondgirl been a good season yeah? here's to a great finale

[richmondgirl]

Not bad. It's been fun to watch Juan. I'm listenig to Patrick on PitCommand right now.

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Not bad. It's been fun to watch Juan. I'm listenig to Patrick on PitCommand right now.

conditions look almost to good atm, is the track gonna slick up with the sun or tighten as the temperature fades?... How's Pat sounding? confident?

[richmondgirl]

Can't say just from sound of voice. They just went green

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Can't say just from sound of voice. They just went green

k thnx

JJ leads lap 1, thats 19th for the title.....

[richmondgirl]

Patrick has 2 inside spotter says paitence

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Patrick has 2 inside spotter says paitence

i've been racing here online for a couple of days, not a 'big' track for a mile-and-a-halfer, its good advice if there's 3 wide off the turn

[richmondgirl]

Juan's come up thru the field now 24

[richmondgirl]

switching to Juan's scanner for a bit

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
switching to Juan's scanner for a bit

how's he finding the track? up on the high line again hopefully

[richmondgirl]

I've opened another window to have Patrick on again. Let's see if I can managed 2 scanners.

Juan says he's a little tight Patrick's spotter says he's clear use as much of the track as necessary

[whitewaterMkII]

Montoya 15th!

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Patrick's spotter says he's clear use as much of the track as necessary

ha, that's gonna come back and bite him haha

looks like the track has lots of grip atm...two good solid lines with pace

[richmondgirl]

Juan has a good line thru 3 & 4. Spotter says doing good

[Imola]

Watching on Raceview, Patrick and Hornish started 28th and 29th respectively. Patrick dropped to 42nd after about 2 or 3 laps...Hornish didn't do much better, currently 35th.

I'm aware that I'm just being an asshole now, but something tells me that these guys lack the commitment and desire for this series

...kidding of course

[wrighty]

Originally posted by Imola
I'm aware that I'm just being an asshole now, but something tells me that these guys lack the commitment and desire for this series

...kidding of course

hehe can't say yet, but 'commitment' here is 30 years haha, plenty of time yet

[richmondgirl]

Hornish and Patrick may be trying to stay out of trouble. ABC here was really late coming back from commercial . Did that happen to you.

Juan says tight off the corner. Patrick 4 away from green flag stop

[whitewaterMkII]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Hornish and Patrick may be trying to stay out of trouble. ABC here was really late coming back from commercial . Did that happen to you.

Juan says tight off the corner. Patrick 4 away from green flag stop

These commercials suck, ABC is packing them in.

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Hornish and Patrick may be trying to stay out of trouble. ABC here was really late coming back from commercial . Did that happen to you.

Juan says tight off the corner. Patrick 4 away from green flag stop

caution 1 for errant DEI pit entry lol...... 50 straight laps, must be nigh-on a full tank anyway?

[wrighty]

Originally posted by wrighty


caution 1 for errant DEI pit entry lol...... 50 straight laps, must be nigh-on a full tank anyway?

ha the 8 again? he's going for a record to leave DEI with for 'most cautions caused in one race';)

[richmondgirl]

Did you see the sun in their eyes? Maybe an accordion effect that got Dale Jr.?

[Imola]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Hornish and Patrick may be trying to stay out of trouble. ABC here was really late coming back from commercial . Did that happen to you.

Juan says tight off the corner. Patrick 4 away from green flag stop

Pat was saying in the Montreal papers that he was hoping to fight with these guys today, after being happy to just sit back and watch in the Phoenix race.

I've been switching between Benson, Jr, and Pat's scanner...doesn't sound like Coach Schrader is working with Pat this weekend, guess it's cuz Pat knows this track pretty well.

Jr is swearing at his CC right now, looks like they screwed up another stop...

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Did you see the sun in their eyes? Maybe an accordion effect that got Dale Jr.?

maybe, didnt see the replays yet but it only takes 1 car to miss a shift and the back of the line gets bit pity for Jr, not how he wanted to leave DEI from what i remember of the midweek press....

[richmondgirl]

Patrick's crew chief was talking about how 1 day Patrick would know what clean air could do for his car. Patrick said he wasn't doing this suffering for nothing. Patrick coming in for some gas. He's done and out of the pits.

[whitewaterMkII]

JPM 4th!?!

[xflow7]

Anyone think JJ is just going to follow Gordon around all day and do whatever he does?

[wrighty]

Originally posted by xflow7
Anyone think JJ is just going to follow Gordon around all day and do whatever he does?

always dangerous.....run your own race, always

[richmondgirl]

Lovey pass by Juan for 3rd

[richmondgirl]

Menard spins

[richmondgirl]

Juan says tight in the center of corner

[WildmouseX]

they just talked about jpm " i got to talk to donie wingo and i asked him what juan has most improved on this rookie season, and donnie sai ' he's improved the most on driveing a loose race car'. in fact at the atlanta CoT test the team purposely set-up the car to be realy loose and let him run out there - at one point they asked him if he wanted it tightened and he said ' no, i have to learn how to drive them this way.' . that experience can be what's contributeing to his performence today"

[richmondgirl]

lots of 2 tire stops

[WildmouseX]

jpm loses 4 spots in the pits to cars doing only 2 tires.

[wrighty]

Originally posted by WildmouseX
they just talked about jpm " i got to talk to donie wingo and i asked him what juan has most improved on this rookie season, and donnie sai ' he's improved the most on driveing a loose race car'. in fact at the atlanta CoT test the team purposely set-up the car to be realy loose and let him run out there - at one point they asked him if he wanted it tightened and he said ' no, i have to learn how to drive them this way.' . that experience can be what's contributeing to his performence today"

remember a thousand years ago when he had a reputation for driving around a handling problem and got mixed reactions for it? getting the handle on a loose car is any oval-track racer's key to success....it's a fine line but that's where he needs to be

[richmondgirl]

The 2 tire cars are doing it now to see how the car will be in case they want to use 2 tires later in the race

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
The 2 tire cars are doing it now to see how the car will be in case they want to use 2 tires later in the race

no bad call tbh, if there's been one running thread through this season it's been the mainly scrappy finishes with lots of yellows.....worth a test

wow monty's flying on the low line atm he must've been a 4-tyre?

[WildmouseX]

Originally posted by wrighty


remember a thousand years ago when he had a reputation for driving around a handling problem and got mixed reactions for it? getting the handle on a loose car is any oval-track racer's key to success....it's a fine line but that's where he needs to be

the heavier the car, the less it wants to turn in the corners, and the more loose you need to make it. that and driveing in heavy traffic for 4 hours are the hardest adjustments all these OW guys are going to have to make. - JPM did very well this year on both those and has earned himself a lot of respect for it.

[wrighty]

Originally posted by WildmouseX


the heavier the car, the less it wants to turn in the corners, and the more loose you need to make it. that and driveing in heavy traffic for 4 hours are the hardest adjustments all these OW guys are going to have to make. - JPM did very well this year on both those and has earned himself a lot of respect for it.

indeed....a loose car is great to have right up until it's too loose then look out .... reading the track and the changing conditions with his CC is the thing he had to learn....trusting the team to make the call

[Spunout]

Originally posted by WildmouseX


the heavier the car, the less it wants to turn in the corners, and the more loose you need to make it. that and driveing in heavy traffic for 4 hours are the hardest adjustments all these OW guys are going to have to make. - JPM did very well this year on both those and has earned himself a lot of respect for it.

I think setting up the car is THE thing for OW guys. They have no clue how great car should handle.

[wrighty]

Originally posted by Spunout


I think setting up the car is THE thing for OW guys. They have no clue how great car should handle.

spot on, 'loose = good' comes from a different culture of racing completely from OW, its a lot to handle

[Imola]

It takes a certain kind of driver to be able to exploit oversteer. I agree that in OW you can thrive without the ability, but in stock cars it is essential.

Tommy Baldwin to Blaney:

"Keep doin what your doin...out-finesse that guy in the 42 on the throttle"

...a few seconds later, JPM blows past the 22

[richmondgirl]

Wingo just said 15 until they pit

[wrighty]

Originally posted by richmondgirl
Wingo just said 15 until they pit

this next pitstop's a big one i think, given that the sun's 'below the yard-arm ah-haar [/pirate]', time to make a change to the car to keep it working as the track cools...

[Spunout]

Originally posted by Imola
It takes a certain kind of driver to be able to exploit oversteer. I agree that in OW you can thrive without the ability, but in stock cars it is essential.

Nope. You must handle both understeer and oversteer, be it open-wheel or stock cars. But there are lots of small nuances. One key thing is recognizing when the car is good. For example, where ex-OW guy might say "the car is too loose/tight", somebody with years of experience might say "the car is perfect". Of course there are differences in terms of driving technique as well...in some of the earlier races JPM often used too much steering in mid-corner, causing excessive oversteer. Now JPM knows how to be smooth with loose car. And above everything: he knows when the setup is loose enough. It is no longer hit and miss operation for the 42 car.

[wrighty]

hehe a big up for the Ganassi 42 crew from the 'crew-cam', looked an excellent stop

[wrighty]

Originally posted by Spunout


Nope. You must handle both understeer and oversteer, be it open-wheel or stock cars. But there are lots of small nuances. One key thing is recognizing when the car is good. For example, where ex-OW guy might say "the car is too loose/tight", somebody with years of experience might say "the car is perfect". Of course there are differences in terms of driving technique as well...in some of the earlier races JPM often used too much steering in mid-corner, causing excessive oversteer. Now JPM knows how to be smooth with loose car. And above everything: he knows when the setup is loose enough. It is no longer hit and miss operation for the 42 car.

lol you said yeah, I said no, then we basically described the same thing .... if anything, using too much steering doesnt always cause oversteer....more often than not it just canes the front tyres and the understeer gets worse, so having a car that's neutral-loose and reading the track changes is vital to pace.....that's what OW misses, the fact that you can make an average car better through the course of a race

[wrighty]

5th caution on lap 158.....too long for 1 tank of juice, not quite 2.....this is the crew-chief's race now

[wrighty]

lol there's 1 habit JPM didn't quite shake yet haha ....if the number of the car he clips increases through the season, is that progress?