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#1 fastlegs

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 02:01

Now that the NASCAR 2007 season is behind us I thought I’d start a new thread for the 2008 season.

I can’t wait for next season to begin as I just received my tickets in the mail for the UAW-Dodge 400 and the Sam's Town 300 in Las Vegas next March. It will be my first time attending a NASCAR race in person.


2008 NASCAR SCHEDULE

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Date Site
Feb 16 Daytona International Speedway
Feb 23 California Speedway
Mar 1 Las Vegas Motor Speedway
Mar 8 Atlanta Motor Speedway
Mar 15 Bristol Motor Speedway
Mar 22 Nashville Superspeedway
Apr 5 Texas Motor Speedway
Apr 11 Phoenix International Raceway
Apr 20 Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez
Apr 26 Talladega Superspeedway
May 2 Richmond International Raceway
May 9 Darlington Raceway
May 24 Lowe's Motor Speedway
May 31 Dover International Speedway
Jun 7 Nashville Superspeedway
Jun 14 Kentucky Speedway
Jun 21 The Milwaukee Mile
Jun 28 New Hampshire International Speedway
Jul 4 Daytona International Speedway
Jul 11 Chicagoland Speedway
Jul 19 Gateway International Raceway
Jul 26 O'Reilly Raceway Park at Indianapolis
Aug 2 Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
Aug 9 Watkins Glen International
Aug 16 Michigan International Speedway
Aug 22 Bristol Motor Speedway
Aug 30 California Speedway
Sep 5 Richmond International Raceway
Sep 20 Dover International Speedway
Sep 27 Kansas Speedway
Oct 10 Lowe's Motor Speedway
Oct 25 Memphis Motorsports Park
Nov 1 Texas Motor Speedway
Nov 8 Phoenix International Raceway
Nov 15 Homestead-Miami Speedway

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#2 fastlegs

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 18:17

A few of the changes for the upcoming NASCAR 2008 season include;

- No more leaded fuel. All teams must run unleaded fuel.
- Chicagoland Speedway goes under the lights for the first time.
- Car of tomorrow in full operation.
- New drivers include Jacques Villeneuve, Dario Franchitti, Patrick Carpentier and Sam Hornish Jr.
- Dale Jr. driving for Hendrick Motorsports.
- Sprint to replace Nextel
- Nationwide to replace Busch

... more to follow

#3 WildmouseX

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 18:47

i was under the impression that we were letting John B start this thread as a reward for starting the last one that earned over 4,000 replies.....

the switch to unleaded fuel was done this year, and was the leading contributor to most of DEI engine failures. can't wait for chicago to go under the lights, i prefer going to night races.



here is a full list of driver changes, and bigger changes in general.

Nascar series.
Nextel cup out, Sprint cup in.
Busch series out, Nationwide series in.
Current car out, Car of tomarrow in.
Bud pole award out, Coors pole award in.
Coors replaces bud as offical beer.


open wheel invasion.

Patrick Carpentier - GEM #10 - outside the top 35
Jacques Villeneuve - Bill Davis #27 - outside the top 35
Sam Hornish Jr. - Penskie #77 - outside the top 35
Dario Franchitti - Gannassi #40 - inside the top 35

Rouch
added fenway investers
farms Travis Kvapil to yates
Robbie Reiser promoted to G.M.

R.C.R.
DEI engine program merger
change to new chevey R07 engine

DEI
merger with gin raceing.
added the 01 and army sponsorship to stable
R.C.R. engine program merger
change to new chevey R07 engine
Out - Dale Earnhardt jr.
In - Mark Martin/Aric Almarola #8
In - Regan Smith #01
Budweiser leaves
Out - Steve Hmiel - compition director

Hedricks
Out - Kyle Busch
In - Dale earnhardt jr. #88 amp/moutin dew/ national guard.
Casey mears moved to #5 kellogs car

Joe Gibbs
Switch to Toyota
Out - JJ. yeley
In - Kyle busch #18
M&M's sponsor Kyle Busch

Hall of Fame raceing
Switch to Toyota
Out - Tony Reins
In - JJ yeley #96 DLP
In Brad Colemen - 7 races

Gilette Evernham Motorsports (GEM)
added gilette investers
opened office in new york to strictly handel sponsor relations.
Out - Scott Rigs
In - Patrick Carpentier #10
Budweiser sponsor's #9.
Best Buy Sponsor's #19.


Bill Davis Raceing
In - Jacques Villeneuve #27
Out - jeremy mayfeild

Haas CNC Racing
Out - johny sauter
in - scott rigs #70
Out - Jeff green
in - Jeremy Mayfeild #66

Gannassi
Coors leaves
Out - David Stremme
In - Dario Franchitti #40
In - Steve Hmiel - competition management and preparation

Yates
robert retires, leaves team to son doug
added investors Newman Haas Lanigan
lost investors Newman Haas Lanigan
Out - Rickey Rudd - Retires
In - Travis Kvapil - #28
Loses M&M sponsorship
Gives # 88 to Hendrick



Penskie South
In - Sam Hornish Jr. #77

Michael Waltrip Raceing
Out -Dale Jarret due to retire after 6 races
Move - David reutermen moves from the #00 to the #44 after DJ leaves
In - Josh Wise & Michael McDowell #00

Furniture Row Racing
Joe Niemecheck #78

Wood Brothers
4 drivers #21 - kenny Schrader, Bill Elloit, Jon Wood, and Marcus Ambrose



drivers without a ride


Sterling Marlin
Tony reins
David stremme
jeff green
johny sauter

#4 MaxScelerate

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 18:49

Originally posted by fastlegs
...
Jul 26 O'Reilly Raceway Park at Indianapolis
Aug 2 Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
Aug 9 Watkins Glen International
...

Circuit Gilles Villeneuve ?!? :eek:

That's the Sprint schedule, right? Didn't know they'd get here, although I reckon Norm Legault would sell his mother to bring them here in Montréal now that Patrick is definitely in and Jacques is supposed to be in too.

Also, two road courses back-to-back? That's gonna be hard to swallow for some fans I'm sure.

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 19:07

wonder how much slower they will be than f1 cars at giles. now well do nascars take kurbs too? :D

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 19:16

Originally posted by MaxScelerate

Circuit Gilles Villeneuve ?!? :eek:

That's the Sprint schedule, right? Didn't know they'd get here, although I reckon Norm Legault would sell his mother to bring them here in Montréal now that Patrick is definitely in and Jacques is supposed to be in too.

Also, two road courses back-to-back? That's gonna be hard to swallow for some fans I'm sure.


That is the Nationwide series.

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 21:28

Originally posted by WildmouseX
i was under the impression that we were letting John B start this thread as a reward for starting the last one that earned over 4,000 replies.....


Sorry, I was not aware of that until now. If the Administrator wants to make that change that's fine by me.

#8 John B

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 23:19

No problem at all....I haven't been on very consistently over the last couple months anyway. We can always reset the thread per Chase rules after Richmond ;)

One thing I was curious about was if anyone's mentioned NASCAR's popularity in Japan, as affected by Toyota's entry - does it have any small fan base or increased TV exposure? This year, as baseball fans will know, we had Daisuke Matsusaka arrive to pitch for the Red Sox, and the Japanese media attention was unbelieveable, especially in his first month and probably October as well when the team drove towards the World Series.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 00:47

Originally posted by MaxScelerate

Circuit Gilles Villeneuve ?!? :eek:

That's the Sprint schedule, right? Didn't know they'd get here, although I reckon Norm Legault would sell his mother to bring them here in Montréal now that Patrick is definitely in and Jacques is supposed to be in too.

Also, two road courses back-to-back? That's gonna be hard to swallow for some fans I'm sure.


It's the Nationwide series, and you missed them racing there this year too.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 04:01

lol. I didn't miss the Busch race. I missed the (now obviously non existent) news that Legault got Nextel/Sprint to race Montreal. "2008 Nascar Schedule" sounds much more like Sprint than it sounds like Nationwide, y'know... :kiss:

#11 WildmouseX

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 04:04

Originally posted by John B
No problem at all....I haven't been on very consistently over the last couple months anyway. We can always reset the thread per Chase rules after Richmond ;)

One thing I was curious about was if anyone's mentioned NASCAR's popularity in Japan, as affected by Toyota's entry - does it have any small fan base or increased TV exposure? This year, as baseball fans will know, we had Daisuke Matsusaka arrive to pitch for the Red Sox, and the Japanese media attention was unbelieveable, especially in his first month and probably October as well when the team drove towards the World Series.


haven't heard the reaction in japan from it, probably will get more next year with gibbs cars running up front.... they have done a couple of off-season exhibition races in japan over the years on the oval that the IRL runs on over there - and those were all to packed houses.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 08:53

So who are the contenders for the Rookie of the Year honours ?

Originally posted by WildmouseX
open wheel invasion.

Patrick Carpentier - GEM #10 - outside the top 35
Jacques Villeneuve - Bill Davis #27 - outside the top 35
Sam Hornish Jr. - Penskie #77 - outside the top 35
Dario Franchitti - Gannassi #40 - inside the top 35

Yates
In - Travis Kvapil - #28

Michael Waltrip Raceing
In - Josh Wise & Michael McDowell #00


Is Travis Kvapil a rookie in Cup ? I recognise his name as a Truck frontrunner.

Are Wise and McDowell rookies too ? and will they do enough events to qualify for the RotY ?

Looking at that list, if Dario can keep his nose clean for the first 5 races, he could be a shoe-in.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 09:13

Looking forward to NASCAR next year as well - virtually given up on the ongoing debacle that is US open-wheel racing now.

Anyone recommend a good book or guide to NASCAR for a newbie? The formula seems so restrictive in terms of engineering how do the best teams make the difference?

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 13:48

That 2007 thread is a pretty good NASCAR for newbies book; seriously!

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 15:14

Originally posted by John B
One thing I was curious about was if anyone's mentioned NASCAR's popularity in Japan, as affected by Toyota's entry - does it have any small fan base or increased TV exposure?

Re; Japan
I was over there this year for over a month and tried to seek out coverage on TV and any kind of fan base.
The answer on both accounts was NO...Nothing.

Outside of the indigenous Japanese series races, F1 and IndyCar were really the only foreign series which were even lightly focused upon.
Even that coverage was spotty.

Jp

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 15:15

Apr 20 Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez[/B]


Is this for the Sprint series also?

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 15:24

Has JV even signed a contract yet?
AFAIK he's not a for sure yet.
-In - Mark Martin/Aric Almarola #8
This sucks, that car should have gotten a full time driver, and neither of them should have been Eric or Mark.
-From what I see there is only one 'new' car, Penske's.
Apparently there is no new teams, such as Red Bull and Waltrip last year.
- Gonna be interesting on how Gibbs deals with Toyota.

#18 WildmouseX

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 16:45

Originally posted by Youichi
So who are the contenders for the Rookie of the Year honours ?



Is Travis Kvapil a rookie in Cup ? I recognise his name as a Truck frontrunner.

Are Wise and McDowell rookies too ? and will they do enough events to qualify for the RotY ?

Looking at that list, if Dario can keep his nose clean for the first 5 races, he could be a shoe-in.


the only rookie you missed on that list is marcos ambrose, he'll be doing 12 races in the #21 - so he won't quite have enough races to be able to drop any bad ones, but if he finish's strong in the races he does have scheduled and some of the others miss enough races he could get up in the top of the list.

kvapil is a rookie in cup - in order to lose rookie status you have to do 7 races in one year, i think the most cup starts he has is 4...

Wise and McDowell are both rookies and will be doing 30 races between them in the #00, i think it's a 50/50 split... since RoY goes off of the top 17 finish's, they won't be able to drop any bad races even if they make all their starts (which isn't very likley in this day and age) both are fresh out of ARCA - which are basicly cup cars with reduced hp, their biggest adjustment s going to be doing mostly 1.5 mile tracks, and doing doubble the distence each time.


if penski moves points off the 2 for hornish - then hornish, dario, and kvapil will be the only three rookies locked into the first 5 races, and they will have the edge... even wallmendinger made enough races to drop a coupple of bad ones, but those three will be in good position to be in the top 35 most of the year and they'll be able to focus on race set-ups and thussly will have more good finish's.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 17:12

Looking forward to seeing how well Dario does for Ganassi. It's going to be a tough one to call I think. As much as I like the guy, I don't know if Ganassi will be able to provide him with a car in which he can demonstrate his talents. Regardless, I think he'll enjoy himself.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 17:12

Originally posted by MichaelJP
Looking forward to NASCAR next year as well - virtually given up on the ongoing debacle that is US open-wheel racing now.

Anyone recommend a good book or guide to NASCAR for a newbie? The formula seems so restrictive in terms of engineering how do the best teams make the difference?


in nascar it's more about making the right changes to the set-up through out the course of a 4 hour race (determined by driver feel, no computer telemitry) to have the best set-up under the car at the end; then it is about having an engineering advantage.......... yes the best teams have the better engineers to help decide what those changes are, but that doesn't garentee that small teams won't hit the right set-up and blow them out the water from time to time.

i wouldn't recomend a book as much as i would just recomend going out and renting or buying one of the video games-- there's alot of small things about how the weight of the cars plays with how you have to drive it in high speed oval corners that don't quite transfer easy over t.v., but are very apparent when you play a sim.

#21 fastlegs

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 18:26

Originally posted by MichaelJP
Anyone recommend a good book or guide to NASCAR for a newbie? The formula seems so restrictive in terms of engineering how do the best teams make the difference?


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I haven't read this book, however, it received very good reviews at Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.co...n/dp/0764552198

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 18:36

Originally posted by fastlegs
Now that the NASCAR 2007 season is behind us I thought I’d start a new thread for the 2008 season.

I can’t wait for next season to begin as I just received my tickets in the mail for the UAW-Dodge 400 and the Sam's Town 300 in Las Vegas next March. It will be my first time attending a NASCAR race in person.


2008 NASCAR SCHEDULE

(Subject to change)

Date Site
Feb 16 Daytona International Speedway
Feb 23 California Speedway
Mar 1 Las Vegas Motor Speedway
Mar 8 Atlanta Motor Speedway
Mar 15 Bristol Motor Speedway
Mar 22 Nashville Superspeedway
Apr 5 Texas Motor Speedway
Apr 11 Phoenix International Raceway
Apr 20 Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez
Apr 26 Talladega Superspeedway
May 2 Richmond International Raceway
May 9 Darlington Raceway
May 24 Lowe's Motor Speedway
May 31 Dover International Speedway
Jun 7 Nashville Superspeedway
Jun 14 Kentucky Speedway
Jun 21 The Milwaukee Mile
Jun 28 New Hampshire International Speedway
Jul 4 Daytona International Speedway
Jul 11 Chicagoland Speedway
Jul 19 Gateway International Raceway
Jul 26 O'Reilly Raceway Park at Indianapolis
Aug 2 Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
Aug 9 Watkins Glen International
Aug 16 Michigan International Speedway
Aug 22 Bristol Motor Speedway
Aug 30 California Speedway
Sep 5 Richmond International Raceway
Sep 20 Dover International Speedway
Sep 27 Kansas Speedway
Oct 10 Lowe's Motor Speedway
Oct 25 Memphis Motorsports Park
Nov 1 Texas Motor Speedway
Nov 8 Phoenix International Raceway
Nov 15 Homestead-Miami Speedway


As mentionned previously, this is the 08 schedule for the Nationwide series, not the Sprint one.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 18:46

2008 Sprint Cup Schedule:

source: http://motorsports-s...ule-is-out.html

Feb 9 --Budweiser Shootout– Daytona International Speedway*
Feb 17 --Daytona International Speedway
Feb 24 --California Speedway
Mar 2 --Las Vegas Motor Speedway
Mar 9 --Atlanta Motor Speedway
Mar 16 --Bristol Motor Speedway
Mar 30 --Martinsville Speedway
Apr 6 --Texas Motor Speedway
Apr 12 --Phoenix International Raceway
Apr 27 --Talladega Superspeedway
May 3 --Richmond International Raceway
May 10 --Darlington Raceway
May 17 --NASCAR Sprint All-Star Challenge – Lowe’s Motor Speedway*
May 25 --Lowe’s Motor Speedway
Jun 1 --Dover International Speedway
Jun 8 --Pocono Raceway
Jun 15 --Michigan International Speedway
Jun 22 --Infineon Raceway
Jun 29 --New Hampshire International Speedway
Jul 5 --Daytona International Speedway
Jul 12 --Chicagoland Speedway
Jul 27 --Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Aug 3 --Pocono Raceway
Aug 10 --Watkins Glen International
Aug 17 --Michigan International Speedway
Aug 23 --Bristol Motor Speedway
Aug 31 --California Speedway
Sep 6 --Richmond International Raceway
Sep 14 --New Hampshire International Speedway
Sep 21 --Dover International Speedway
Sep 28 --Kansas Speedway
Oct 5 --Talladega Superspeedway
Oct 11 --Lowe’s Motor Speedway
Oct 19 --Martinsville Speedway
Oct 26 A--tlanta Motor Speedway
Nov 2 --Texas Motor Speedway
Nov 9 --Phoenix International Raceway
Nov 16 --Homestead-Miami Speedway


2008 Nationwide Series Schedule

source: http://msn.foxsports...r/story/7294942

Feb 16 --Daytona International Speedway
Feb 23 --California Speedway
Mar 1 --Las Vegas Motor Speedway
Mar 8 --Atlanta Motor Speedway
Mar 15 -- Bristol Motor Speedway
Mar 22 --Nashville Superspeedway
Apr 5 --Texas Motor Speedway
Apr 11 --Phoenix International Raceway
Apr 20 --Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez
Apr 26 --Talladega Superspeedway
May 2 --Richmond International Raceway
May 9 --Darlington Raceway
May 24 --Lowe's Motor Speedway
May 31 --Dover International Speedway
Jun 7 --Nashville Superspeedway
Jun 14 --Kentucky Speedway
Jun 21 --The Milwaukee Mile
Jun 28 --New Hampshire International Speedway
Jul 4 --Daytona International Speedway
Jul 11 --Chicagoland Speedway
Jul 19 --Gateway International Raceway
Jul 26 --O'Reilly Raceway Park at Indianapolis
Aug 2 --Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
Aug 9 --Watkins Glen International
Aug 16 --Michigan International Speedway
Aug 22 --Bristol Motor Speedway
Aug 30 --California Speedway
Sep 5 --Richmond International Raceway
Sep 20 --Dover International Speedway
Sep 27 --Kansas Speedway
Oct 10 --Lowe's Motor Speedway
Oct 25 --Memphis Motorsports Park
Nov 1 --Texas Motor Speedway
Nov 8 --Phoenix International Raceway
Nov 15 --Homestead-Miami Speedway

#24 Dudley

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 19:53

Originally posted by Youichi
So who are the contenders for the Rookie of the Year honours ?



Is Travis Kvapil a rookie in Cup ? I recognise his name as a Truck frontrunner.

Are Wise and McDowell rookies too ? and will they do enough events to qualify for the RotY ?

Looking at that list, if Dario can keep his nose clean for the first 5 races, he could be a shoe-in.


That's not the list of people outside 35 if that's what you mean.

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 20:26

For anyone interested in the life histories of some NASCAR racecars and teams in recent years, check out this thread on TNF which has some interesting data on how long some cars last and what tracks they were used:

http://forums.autosp...y=&pagenumber=1

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 00:14

i have already posted this in the F1 on TV in Australia thread, but for all thoe Aussie NASCAR fans out there....



http://enews.mnews.com.au/

Dear Santa, I've been very good...

Santa Claus is going to be delivering a bunch of high-definition television channels in four weeks time.

Network 10 has confirmed that it will be broadcasting a lot more motor racing on its new HD 'second' channel next season and that might include Formula 1 and MotoGP.

What is confirmed is that the network will be the home of NASCAR, with all 39 Sprint Cup races broadcast, most in a one-hour, edited format. But all Marcos Ambrose fans will be thrilled with the news that all Nationwide (formerly Busch) rounds, featuring Ambrose's #59 Kingsford Charcoal Ford Fusion, will be beamed to AUstralia live, mostly on Sunday mornings.

Motorsport eNews believes that the 'big four' Cup races Daytona 500, Brickyard 400 at Indy, Talladega's Ford 400 and the final race at Homestead, will be shown in full, and live.

Our sources suggest that Formula 1 races are high on the network's wish list. The network's head of sport David White confirmed that discussions have been started with FOM but that at this point, there is no decision either way.

The HD channel - wich is #1 on the dial - will replicate DVD-quality, with full resolution 1080i High Definition pictures and 5.1 Dolby Surround Sound.

The network expects to confirm its other motorsport programming for the new channel in the next few weeks.



The NASCAR coverage will be interesting, i wonder how it will effect Fox Sports who have shown it previously. This will now mean NASCAR & Nationwide in HD for 2008 on Network 10.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 01:54

Originally posted by Mat
i have already posted this in the F1 on TV in Australia thread, but for all thoe Aussie NASCAR fans out there....



http://enews.mnews.com.au/

Dear Santa, I've been very good...

Santa Claus is going to be delivering a bunch of high-definition television channels in four weeks time.

Network 10 has confirmed that it will be broadcasting a lot more motor racing on its new HD 'second' channel next season and that might include Formula 1 and MotoGP.

What is confirmed is that the network will be the home of NASCAR, with all 39 Sprint Cup races broadcast, most in a one-hour, edited format. But all Marcos Ambrose fans will be thrilled with the news that all Nationwide (formerly Busch) rounds, featuring Ambrose's #59 Kingsford Charcoal Ford Fusion, will be beamed to AUstralia live, mostly on Sunday mornings.

Motorsport eNews believes that the 'big four' Cup races Daytona 500, Brickyard 400 at Indy, Talladega's Ford 400 and the final race at Homestead, will be shown in full, and live.

Our sources suggest that Formula 1 races are high on the network's wish list. The network's head of sport David White confirmed that discussions have been started with FOM but that at this point, there is no decision either way.

The HD channel - wich is #1 on the dial - will replicate DVD-quality, with full resolution 1080i High Definition pictures and 5.1 Dolby Surround Sound.

The network expects to confirm its other motorsport programming for the new channel in the next few weeks.



The NASCAR coverage will be interesting, i wonder how it will effect Fox Sports who have shown it previously. This will now mean NASCAR & Nationwide in HD for 2008 on Network 10.


That is great news for the NASCAR fans down under. :up:

#28 Go_Scotty_Go!

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 02:17

Originally posted by WildmouseX


in nascar it's more about making the right changes to the set-up through out the course of a 4 hour race (determined by driver feel, no computer telemitry) to have the best set-up under the car at the end; then it is about having an engineering advantage....


Where do you get this stuff?

Hendrick just dominated NASCAR - the shop does matter, the engines matter, the cars clearly matter - Montoya is a great driver and he needs a much better car under him. It's reality.

:rolleyes:

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 03:40

Originally posted by Go_Scotty_Go!


Where do you get this stuff?

Hendrick just dominated NASCAR - the shop does matter, the engines matter, the cars clearly matter - Montoya is a great driver and he needs a much better car under him. It's reality.

:rolleyes:


you should read the rest of his post.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 06:12

Originally posted by Go_Scotty_Go!


Where do you get this stuff?

Hendrick just dominated NASCAR - the shop does matter, the engines matter, the cars clearly matter - Montoya is a great driver and he needs a much better car under him. It's reality.

:rolleyes:

Oh, goody, G_S_G is back.
:rotfl:
I wonder how long until you throw a hissy fit and leave this thread.

#31 Go_Scotty_Go!

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 06:30

This from the person who claims to put me on his ignore list every time you disagree with me?

Grow up pal. Seriously.

On topic: I don't buy all this BS about how anyone can win in NASCAR - this season more then ever proves that you have to have a good car to win. NASCAR is looking more and more like F1 every day.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 06:38

Originally posted by Go_Scotty_Go!


Where do you get this stuff?

Hendrick just dominated NASCAR - the shop does matter, the engines matter, the cars clearly matter - Montoya is a great driver and he needs a much better car under him. It's reality.

:rolleyes:


and rousch dominated 3 years agao, look at them this year... yes the big teams have better engineers, but the box nascar puts them in means that all that talent is being put into the car's handeling, not in the cars performence ........ quick point to what jr. said after his first test in a hendrick car - " their cars turn quicker in the corners, like their more respnsive, because of the front end geometry, or stearing gears their useing" -- teams mess with their front end geometry and stearing ratios all through practices - it's in the set-up, not in the design - and this year hendrick's people were all over it.

chip brought on steve hmeil at the end of this year as compition manager and car prep - he's got a reputation in the shop as being one of the top men for setting up cars at the shop , not so much for actual design - juan (and all of chips cars) will perform better next year just because they won't have so much work to do when they unload and can focus more on fine tuneing for the conditions.

#33 WildmouseX

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 06:48

time to vote for the fan awards... montoya is up for " driver you least like to see in your mirror" aginst both busch brothers, harvick and stewert.

and chips orginisation is up for " team with the worst luck", but with jr.nation you can bet that one will go to DEI.

http://www.nascar.com/promos/2007/fva/

#34 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 06:49

Originally posted by Go_Scotty_Go!
This from the person who claims to put me on his ignore list every time you disagree with me?

Grow up pal. Seriously.

On topic: I don't buy all this BS about how anyone can win in NASCAR - this season more then ever proves that you have to have a good car to win. NASCAR is looking more and more like F1 every day.

:rotfl:
I'm no longer annoyed by you, just amused by your condescending tone and what seems to be some sort of napoleonic complex.
Good luck.

#35 Dudley

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 09:47

I think we can all agree Hendrick are not 1-2-4 (or was it ever 1-2-3 in the end) in the championship on luck.

#36 MichaelJP

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 12:32

Originally posted by WildmouseX
i wouldn't recomend a book as much as i would just recomend going out and renting or buying one of the video games-- there's alot of small things about how the weight of the cars plays with how you have to drive it in high speed oval corners that don't quite transfer easy over t.v., but are very apparent when you play a sim.


Might be an idea, any opinions on the best NASCAR videogame out there?

#37 Georg_Kuyumji

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 14:25

I was hoping that Montreal will get a Cup Race, but I guess one other Track would have to go for that and its unlikely to happen.

NASCAR Road Races are very exciting, I dont understand why NASCAR doesnt add 1 or 2 of them to the Calender, including one during the damn Chase.

#38 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 15:10

Originally posted by Georg_Kuyumji
I was hoping that Montreal will get a Cup Race, but I guess one other Track would have to go for that and its unlikely to happen.

NASCAR Road Races are very exciting, I dont understand why NASCAR doesnt add 1 or 2 of them to the Calender, including one during the damn Chase.


Yeah me too. I was thinking thats why Gillet was supposedly making a move on Loudon at one point, so he could get one of their dates for Montreal. Some of the best races I've ever seen were when NASCAR was at
Riverside. Seeing those beasts trundle through the off camber T 6 there was pretty impressive, and a bit frightening.

#39 Go_Scotty_Go!

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 15:21

Originally posted by whitewaterMkII

:rotfl:
I'm no longer annoyed by you, just amused by your condescending tone and what seems to be some sort of napoleonic complex.
Good luck.


The formula is simple - stay on topic. Talk about race cars and the race series. Most of your personal insult just roll off of me anyway, so your fixation on me is pretty strange. You really need to stop.

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#40 Go_Scotty_Go!

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 15:25

Originally posted by WildmouseX


and rousch dominated 3 years agao, look at them this year... yes the big teams have better engineers, but the box nascar puts them in means that all that talent is being put into the car's handeling, not in the cars performence ........ quick point to what jr. said after his first test in a hendrick car - " their cars turn quicker in the corners, like their more respnsive, because of the front end geometry, or stearing gears their useing" -- teams mess with their front end geometry and stearing ratios all through practices - it's in the set-up, not in the design - and this year hendrick's people were all over it.

chip brought on steve hmeil at the end of this year as compition manager and car prep - he's got a reputation in the shop as being one of the top men for setting up cars at the shop , not so much for actual design - juan (and all of chips cars) will perform better next year just because they won't have so much work to do when they unload and can focus more on fine tuneing for the conditions.


I just think that NASCAR has become every bit as corporate and every bit as premiere as F1 - and more and more we will now see complete domination, as in this year. I am going to disagree with you here, the Hendrick cars clearly have a performance advantage...

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 15:49

Originally posted by Go_Scotty_Go!


The formula is simple - stay on topic. Talk about race cars and the race series. Most of your personal insult just roll off of me anyway, so your fixation on me is pretty strange. You really need to stop.


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#42 Pikachu Racing

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:00

Originally posted by Go_Scotty_Go!


The formula is simple - stay on topic. Talk about race cars and the race series. Most of your personal insult just roll off of me anyway, so your fixation on me is pretty strange. You really need to stop.


Black....kettle....pot

Oh the irony! MKII didn't do jack to you. You're the one who keeps pestering not him but others on NASCAR threads. Now you are claiming getting trolled when YOU ARE THE ONE WHO'S DOING IT? Who the **** are you? Know your role and SHUT THE **** UP you piece of trash!

#43 cheesy poofs

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:00

Originally posted by Georg_Kuyumji
I was hoping that Montreal will get a Cup Race, but I guess one other Track would have to go for that and its unlikely to happen.

NASCAR Road Races are very exciting, I dont understand why NASCAR doesnt add 1 or 2 of them to the Calender, including one during the damn Chase.


Its quite possible that Montreal may eventually get a CUP race within the next few years, but I don't see NASCAR removing a current date/track to make way for a foreign event in Canada. That would probably not sit very well with NASCAR's traditional fan-base.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:20

Anybody have nominations for a new add for a NASCAR Road course?

I think Road America would be nice, but I can't see pit stalls, let a lone garages for 43 cars there, and besides, I don't think it's in a place that would draw a huge crowd or a market that NASCAR wants/needs.

I agree that Canada and Mexico are not going to be in the CUP cars future anytime soon.
Does anyone know if teams can build a 'road course special' out of the COT? Or is it so generic now it can be raced on an oval one week and a RC the next. I seem to remember a lot of bitching by teams that they had to build RC cars for only two races a year, so maybe with the COT that issue is dead.

#45 Pikachu Racing

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:26

I would love to see one on the Chase calender. Road America and Laguna Seca doesn't feel right. Isn't there state of art road course in Alabama? What about Sebring? Too close to Daytona. How about using Daytona road course as last race of the season? Forget Homestead. Have the season start and end at Daytona.

#46 fastlegs

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:51

Originally posted by whitewaterMkII
Anybody have nominations for a new add for a NASCAR Road course?


I wouldn't mind seeing them race at the the Indy (USGP) circuit.

I remember watching JPM driving Jeff Gordon's race car around it during the making of the Trading Paint special few years ago.

It has a nice long straight and a lot of challenging tricky bits through out the infield.

#47 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:54

Originally posted by fastlegs

...It has a nice long straight and a lot of challenging tricky bits through out the infield.

And boat loads of run off :lol:

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:54

On the USGP suggestion, how about running it in reverse, going into the same turn one as the oval.

Isn't there a bike race there next year with a different configuration?

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:56

Originally posted by DLaw
On the USGP suggestion, how about running it in reverse, going into the same turn one as the oval.

Isn't there a bike race there next year with a different configuration?


:up: Hey I like that idea.

#50 fastlegs

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:57

Originally posted by Pikachu Racing


Black....kettle....pot

Oh the irony! MKII didn't do jack to you. You're the one who keeps pestering not him but others on NASCAR threads. Now you are claiming getting trolled when YOU ARE THE ONE WHO'S DOING IT? Who the **** are you? Know your role and SHUT THE **** UP you piece of trash!


Ditto! :up: