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[Dick_Dastardly]

And yet people blindly ignore the evidence, F1 ceased to be a sport yonks ago.

http://www.timesonli...icle1082658.ece

This extract is particularly illuminating:

Other teams — Williams, Red Bull, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Midland and Ferrari — have committed to Ecclestone beyond 2007, when the Concorde Agreement, the commercial contract that binds the teams, expires. Ferrari’s loyalty was particularly controversial in that it was secured with the carrot of $100 million and a veto on any rule changes.

Bernie, Max and Monti are in it together

[Dragonfly]

Didn't know that a fantasy writer contest is taking place on this BB.
Do mods participate too?

[Sébastien]

Yes, dick is a credit to his name posting the same diatribe now in 2 different threads

Still makes you wonder why people that think F1 ceased to be a sport long ago, still bother to trol... errr enter the fantasy writer contest on this BB?

[Josta]

It is actually Ferrari International Assistance.

[Group B]

It's a psychology thing; some people feel that if the team they've championed fails then they've failed to, so in order to boost their self-esteem back up they feel compelled to produce an explanation (exoneration) for said failure.

[Dick_Dastardly]

Originally posted by Sébastien
Yes, dick is a credit to his name posting the same diatribe now in 2 different threads

Still makes you wonder why people that think F1 ceased to be a sport long ago, still bother to trol... errr enter the fantasy writer contest on this BB?

Yet you numpty, you don't dispute the financial sweetner and rule change veto given to Ferrari when they resigned the concorde agreement. I bet you're one of those revisionists, aren't you? Like to rewrite history to fit your distorted interpretation of events. You offer no facts and have the cheek to call me a Troll. Tell you what, why don't you forward the article on to Max and Ferrari and see if they sue ;)

[Dragonfly]

We have a new Columbus here. He's discovered America. Again.

[macoran]

Somebody's typewriter gone berserk ??

I thought I read:

Ordinarily me was insane, but me had lucid moments when me was merely stupid.

how some people can be truthful when they lie through their teeth............

[quasi C]

Didn't Ferrari sign much earlier than the others in a completely seperate event, from what I remember. Then the others' position was basically significantly weakened because the most popular and followed team by far abandonded them and they had to make do with what the FIA offered cause they had no other choice. IIRC.

[Dick_Dastardly]

Originally posted by Dragonfly
We have a new Columbus here. He's discovered America. Again.

Yep, laugh it up, Captain Scott Don't dispute the bribe though, do you! Ferrari saved Bernie and Max's arses back in 97' and their gratitude still resonates to this day. It's not just Mclaren, any team that threatens Ferrari's hegemony will receive similar treatment. So much for Max making F1 more ****ing competitive

[Group B]

Originally posted by macoran
Somebody's typewriter gone berserk ??

I thought I read:

Ordinarily me was insane, but me had lucid moments when me was merely stupid.

Clearly your view of people's sigs must as badly mistaken as your view of everything else then.

[Group B]

Originally posted by Dick_Dastardly


Yep, laugh it up, Captain Scott Don't dispute the bribe though, do you! Ferrari saved Bernie and Max's arses back in 97' and their gratitude still resonates to this day. It's not just Mclaren, any team that threatens Ferrari's hegemony will receive similar treatment. So much for Max making F1 more ****ing competitive

Seriously, I'm not naive enough to think everything is fluffy and fair, but equally I very seriously doubt that all the other teams, all the sponsers, all the press, etc would lie down and lap up so blatantly and totally rigged a sport as you suggest.

[Dragonfly]

Those 100M are an old fact. What, some 2 years ago IIRC. It was discussed at the time. There was something about McLaren sewing their lawyers for not telling them they could also get some.

[Sébastien]

Originally posted by Dick_Dastardly

Yet you numpty, you don't dispute ................

No thanks dick, numpty here isn't interested in disputing or discussing anything with the likes of you.

[Juan Kerr]

Max knows he will be sacked as soon as possible.

[Sébastien]

Originally posted by Juan Kerr
Max knows he will be sacked as soon as possible.

2009 at the earliest and it's not sacking but Mr Mosley choosing not to run for another 4 years.

[Dick_Dastardly]

Originally posted by Sébastien

No thanks dick, numpty here isn't interested in disputing or discussing anything with the likes of you.

Good riddance.......

[macoran]

Originally posted by Dick_Dastardly

have the cheek to call me a Troll.

who the blazes are you????

[Only Massa]

dick dastardly is the new Frans or the new dan2k.

this bb just needed that.

on a side note, it makes me smile the fact that the most diehard mclaren fan is using the nickname of a well-known cheater in racing: a tragic coincidence...

[Anomnader]

Originally posted by Only Massa
dick dastardly is the new Frans or the new dan2k.

this bb just needed that.

on a side note, it makes me smile the fact that the most diehard mclaren fan is using the nickname of a well-known cheater in racing: a tragic coincidence...

Well, if you turn that round, its tragic that so many Ferrari fans use as their alias the name of the biggest ever cheater in F1 as their usernames, would youu believe it!!!! sickening ;-)

[Dick_Dastardly]

You know, the funny thing is that article I quote was never challenged in a court of law by either Ferrari, FIA or Bernie. Considering it's content, it is far more damaging to the credibility of F1 than the Brundle's 'looks like a witch-hunt' comment which Max has so rabidly jumped on Have any of you Ferrari fanboys read the article? It gives credence to what many F1 fans & commentators already believe, that FIA show a clear bias towards Ferrari and the championship is adulterated. Read the article, please. I dare you to refute anything printed there ;) Lets face it, Max, Bernie and Ferrari didn't

[Dick_Dastardly]

Originally posted by macoran


who the blazes are you????

Watch out you, I'll set Muttley on you!!!

[FrankB]

Originally posted by Dragonfly
Those 100M are an old fact. What, some 2 years ago IIRC. It was discussed at the time.

Probably around about 28 March 2006.

[Dick_Dastardly]

Oh and here's another source reporting the Ferrari payoff by Bernie:

http://sport.guardia...1394441,00.html

[Uwe]

I suggest you should start some other threads. For example:

- How Ferrari cheated in 1996
- How Ferrari cheated in 1997
- How Ferrari cheated in 1998
- How Ferrari cheated in 1999
- How Ferrari cheated in 2000
- How Ferrari cheated in 2001
- How Ferrari cheated in 2002
- How Ferrari cheated in 2003
- How Ferrari cheated in 2004
- How Ferrari cheated in 2005
- How Ferrari cheated in 2006
- How Ferrari cheated in 2007

I'm sure there are lots of other valuable thread subjects you can contribute.

[angst]

Originally posted by Dick_Dastardly
And yet people blindly ignore the evidence, F1 ceased to be a sport yonks ago.

http://www.timesonli...icle1082658.ece

This extract is particularly illuminating:

Other teams — Williams, Red Bull, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Midland and Ferrari — have committed to Ecclestone beyond 2007, when the Concorde Agreement, the commercial contract that binds the teams, expires. Ferrari’s loyalty was particularly controversial in that it was secured with the carrot of $100 million and a veto on any rule changes.

Bernie, Max and Monti are in it together

And the worst thing about this is, the FIA are meant to be impartial - it should matter not a jot to them whether they sign with Bernie or make a new championship. Sometimes, when you see how he works for the benefit of Bernie and his companies, one wonders exactly where all those untraced and untraceable money trails lead to......

[Risil]

Originally posted by Dick_Dastardly
And yet people blindly ignore the evidence, F1 ceased to be a sport yonks ago.

Correct. It stopped being a sport in October, and now we have to wait until March before it becomes one again. Hence, this thread.

[Dick_Dastardly]

Originally posted by Uwe
I suggest you should start some other threads. For example:

- How Ferrari cheated in 1996
- How Ferrari cheated in 1997
- How Ferrari cheated in 1998
- How Ferrari cheated in 1999
- How Ferrari cheated in 2000
- How Ferrari cheated in 2001
- How Ferrari cheated in 2002
- How Ferrari cheated in 2003
- How Ferrari cheated in 2004
- How Ferrari cheated in 2005
- How Ferrari cheated in 2006
- How Ferrari cheated in 2007

I'm sure there are lots of other valuable thread subjects you can contribute.

Uwe from Frankfurt?

[Only Massa]

wow, this thread has become a self-help group for helpless angry mclaren fans who cannot stand losing again.

it's quite entertaining watching you suffer and cry out your frustration by imagining wild conspiracy theories, playing the part of the victims and ridiculing yourselves by attacking the fia in the year they did everything to let hamilton win the wdc.

please tell me, dear addicts: the fact that fia crazily decided not to punish the drivers for mclaren cheating and spying -paving the way for a walkover tothe wdc for hamilton - was part of the conspiracy too?

maybe autosport-atlas should consider opening a losers forum.

[angst]

Originally posted by Only Massa
wow, this thread has become a self-help group for helpless angry mclaren fans who cannot stand losing again.

it's quite entertaining watching you suffer and cry out your frustration by imagining wild conspiracy theories, playing the part of the victims and ridiculing yourselves by attacking the fia in the year they did everything to let hamilton win the wdc.

Blah blah blah..

Originally posted by Only Massa
please tell me, dear addicts: the fact that fia crazily decided not to punish the drivers for mclaren cheating and spying -paving the way for a walkover tothe wdc for hamilton - was part of the conspiracy too?

No, that was a deal made to allow the drivers to be given immunity whilst their dishonesty (they were the ones(Alosnso and de la Rosa), after all, who witheld this information from their employer) was used to convict McLaren.

Originally posted by Only Massa
maybe autosport-atlas should consider opening a losers forum.

Hmmm... and who might go there is a matter of opinion, mine would likely not concur with yours...

[pedrovski]

Originally posted by Only Massa
wow, this thread has become a self-help group for helpless angry mclaren fans who cannot stand losing again.

it's quite entertaining watching you suffer and cry out your frustration by imagining wild conspiracy theories, playing the part of the victims and ridiculing yourselves by attacking the fia in the year they did everything to let hamilton win the wdc.

please tell me, dear addicts: the fact that fia crazily decided not to punish the drivers for mclaren cheating and spying -paving the way for a walkover tothe wdc for hamilton - was part of the conspiracy too?

maybe autosport-atlas should consider opening a losers forum.

[Sébastien]

Originally posted by Only Massa
maybe autosport-atlas should consider opening a losers forum.

No they don't, I guess it will all blow over once the racing starts again.
However a support group helping some of them Mac fans deal with the grief over the loss of a once honourable and classy team and a few anger management sessions might be needed.

[alfa1]

Originally posted by FrankB

Probably around about 28 March 2006.

Here's one from a year earlier.
I'm not thinking the FIA-Ferrari connection will disappear from people's minds in the near future, either

It is a sad reflection of the current state of the sport that the first reaction of many people in
the F1 paddock when hearing of BAR's problem was that the team were being picked on by the FIA.

Among BAR's concerns will be that, rightly or wrongly, few people retain much faith in the ability -
or the desire - of the governing body to remain objective.

There is a strong sense in F1 that the FIA has an unhealthily close relationship with Ferrari - a feeling
that has grown up over many years of controversial decisions apparently going the world champions' way.

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/4484901.stm

[steelyman]

how many threads do we need with the same topic?
this has been going on for years now. here is another quote from a few years ago that still applies today. read this - it may make you feel better


This is the result.
The majority of the people, fans, media wanted to see McLaren become champion.
FIA wanted Ferrari to win, and they got their wished.
But the people know who was the true champion.

Thanks to inside help, and luck Ferrari is champion.
Ferrari is champion by numbers. But Mclaren is the true champion, measured beyond simple numbers.

Bad luck Mclaren. Fly like wind next season. Senna is right beside you. Whatever you do, you are already the peoples champion.


__________________
"If you have God on your side, everything becomes clear."

- Ayrton Senna

[Group B]

Originally posted by steelyman
how many threads do we need with the same topic?

this has been going on for years now. here is another quote from a few years ago that still applies today. read this - it may make you feel better
This is the result.
The majority of the people, fans, media wanted to see McLaren become champion.
FIA wanted Ferrari to win, and they got their wished.
But the people know who was the true champion.

Thanks to inside help, and luck Ferrari is champion.
Ferrari is champion by numbers. But Mclaren is the true champion, measured beyond simple numbers.

Bad luck Mclaren. Fly like wind next season. Senna is right beside you. Whatever you do, you are already the peoples champion.


__________________
"If you have God on your side, everything becomes clear."

- Ayrton Senna

Dear old Dan; now there was a man who could make conspiracy twaddle genuinely entertaining

[just me again]

I have started a Thread in the Atlas F1 forum because i want Autosport.com to actually write about this with Max Mosley and the difference in he's attitude to Ferrari, McLaren, Renault and perhaps Benneton too.
I think it´s time somebody writes why the ruling seams so differently applyed to the different teams. Is there a sound and healthy reason or does it all stink so much we think it does.
Please write a few words on this Thread http://forums.autosp...?threadid=98440
The more post´s, maybee the more chance that Adam Cooper or Dieter Rencken actually write something without worying about there FIA press pass'es

Bjørn

PS : Sory for the mispellings

[Group B]

his Benetton seems applied posts maybe worrying passes sorry

Frankly, I seriously doubt it's going to happen. If there was uber firm evidence of uber big fixing over a long period then all the other teams and journos would've broken their silence already.

[AlexS]

Well Mclaren-Vodafone cheated and still got the protection from his highness to not be banned for a long time what they want more?

[karlth]

Originally posted by Only Massa
it's quite entertaining watching you suffer and cry out your frustration by imagining wild conspiracy theories, playing the part of the victims and ridiculing yourselves by attacking the fia in the year they did everything to let hamilton win the wdc.

That is nothing compared to the entertainment you offered after the first FIA ruling in the McLaren/Ferrari case.

[steelyman]

maybe we can collect all of our tears in a big jar then send them to the fia and max so they know how much they hurt our and mclarens feelings by picking on us so much.

seriously - they f..kin cheated and were caught and you would think some of their fans would say, "thankfully this is behind us and lets just get past it now. thanks to them for at least letting the drivers and team finish the season. at least they didnt ban the team for 2 yrs"

[SCHUEYFAN]

It's a psychology thing; some people feel that if the team they've championed fails then they've failed to, so in order to boost their self-esteem back up they feel compelled to produce an explanation (exoneration) for said failure.

So true to the point I almost pity McLaren fans who still hold their allegiance to wRONg. At the same time I admire their blind faith in their team that despite all the facts surrounding their misdoings they still believe in them and their leader. Wake up and smell the coffee boys, for each instance of alleged favouritism for Ferrari there's two instances where they got shafted over the years. If you're turned off by F1 and Max then go watch NASCAR. Oh wait, that series is so contrived and manufactured then you'll really be insulted. Go watch cricket then and make sure the door doesn't hit your ass on the way out.

[metz]

What many here don't realize is that the FIA has an inner circle in the form of the Senate.
This group has the final say on all significant actions the FIA will take.
Nothing, absolutely nothing is decided by Max or the WMSC or the TWG or the SWG or the FIA in general without the direct or tacid approval of this powerful group.
And Ferrari is the ONLY F1 team represented on the senate.
Has been so for a long long time.
Is it any wonder that we have so many examples of Ferrari favouritism?
The most blatent is probably the money distribution formula.
If you love F1, just deal with it and get on with life.

[Only Massa]

Originally posted by karlth


That is nothing compared to the entertainment you offered after the first FIA ruling in the McLaren/Ferrari case.

yeah, but i was right and time proved that! :-)