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#1 Limits

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 02:34

Was reading the "Mythbusters" webpage and did a quizz about insects. The question, or true/false statement, was "Spider silk is as strong as Kevlar and used in bullet proof wests"

Well, it's true.

Spider silk has long fascinated scientists with its remarkable strength and elasticity. It is stronger than steel and can stretch up to 50 percent of its original length. A strand of spider silk the width of a pencil could stop a Boeing 747 airplane in flight. Researchers have attempted to synthesize spider silk in the lab for a variety of military, medical, and aerospace applications, including bulletproof vests, parachutes, artificial tendons and ligaments, and tethers.


"Stronger than steel and can stretch up to 50% of it's original length". Does that not sound like a material perfect for a racing car? Suspension? Is anyone aware of any tests with spider silk in mechanical areas? I was Googling a bit and found weird stories about making spider silk from goat milk and that the product was used in aircraft industry, army and in motor racing. Maybe that is why Kimi and Alonso is not looking back towards their McLaren time with huge enthusiasm - Paragon is full of goats and spiders working double shifts?

Joking aside, spider silk have always fascinated me. When you walk in the forest and go into a spider net face first you can really feel the strength of it. But you can not see it.

Interesting in auto engineering must be the energy consumption, the damping effect, in spider silk:
http://www.physorg.c...ws62944656.html

Professor Fritz Vollrath said: 'It seems that selection against twisting and swinging in the spider dragline thread has led to the evolution of a shape-memory material that does not need any external stimulus to give total recovery, even if it does take time. The twist properties add yet another beneficial quality to the famously strong silk, and this might have evolved so that an abseiling spider does not swing in a way that might attract predators.'



What parts of a car could benefit from spider silk enough to make experiments worth while?

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#2 imaginesix

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 04:02

Originally posted by Limits
What parts of a car could benefit from spider silk enough to make experiments worth while?

"Non-movable" aerodynamic devices.

#3 imaginesix

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 04:11

By the way the police had tried bulletproof silk shirts and scarves but the bad guys would taunt them and bully them for being girly men or metrosexuals. So they had to get Dupont to invent Kevlar instead. True story.

#4 phantom II

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 14:49

Forget about duct tape. Just grab the gecko glue. Contact: Jean Kempe-Ware Kellar Autumn
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Scientists prove how geckos stick, unlock secrets to making artificial ‘gecko glue’ PORTLAND, Ore.— Geckos, nature’s supreme climbers, can race up a polished glass wall at a meter per second and support their entire body weight from a wall with only a single toe. But the gecko’s remarkable climbing ability has remained a mystery since Artistotle first observed it in fourth century B.C.

Now a team of biologists and engineers has cracked the molecular secrets of the gecko’s unsurpassed sticking power—opening the door for engineers to fabricate prototypes of synthetic gecko adhesive.

“Two millennia later, we have solved the puzzle of how geckos use millions of tiny foot hairs to adhere to even molecularly smooth surfaces such as polished glass,” says Kellar Autumn, lead author of an article in this week’s Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Our new data prove once and for all how geckos stick.”

Working at Lewis & Clark College, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Stanford University, the interdisciplinary team:

· Confirmed speculation that the gecko’s amazing climbing ability depends on weak molecular attractive forces called van der Waals forces,

· Rejected a competing model based on the adhesion chemistry of water molecules, and

· Discovered that the gecko’s adhesive depends on geometry, not surface chemistry. In other words, the size and shape of the tips of gecko foot hairs—not what they are made of—determine the gecko’s stickiness.


To verify its experimental and theoretical results, the gecko group then used its new data to fabricate prototype synthetic foot-hair tips from two different materials.

“Both artificial setal tips stuck as predicted,” notes Autumn, assistant professor of biology at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, Ore. “Our initial prototypes open the door to manufacturing the first biologically inspired dry, adhesive microstructures, which can have widespread applications.”

The project required an interdisciplinary team, according to Autumn. Engineers Ronald Fearing and Metin Siiti at the University of California at Berkeley built prototype synthetic gecko foot-hair tips that stick like the real thing. Engineer Jacob Israelachvili at the University of California at Santa Barbara provided the mathematics that led to the prototype’s design. Other team members include biologist Robert Full at the University of California at Berkeley and engineer Thomas Kenny of Stanford University.

Van der Waals force vs. capillary adhesion

The team tested two competing hypotheses: one based on van der Waals forces and a second on capillary (water-based) adhesion.

“Our results provide the first direct experimental verification that a short-range molecular attraction called van der Waals force is definitely what makes geckos stick,” Autumn emphasizes.

Van der Waals force, named after a Dutch physicist of the late 1800s, are weak electrodynamic forces that operate over very small distances but bond to nearly any material.

Geckos have millions of setae—microscopic hairs on the bottom of their feet. These tiny setae are only as long as two diameters of a human hair. That’s 100 millionth of a meter long. Each seta ends with 1,000 even tinier pads at the tip. These tips, called spatulae, are only 200 billionths of a meter wide—below the wavelength of visible light.

“Intermolecular forces come into play because the gecko foot hairs split and allow a billion spatulae to increase surface density and come into close contact with the surface. This creates a strong adhesive force,” says Autumn.

A single seta can lift the weight of an ant. A million setae, which could easily fit onto the area of a dime, could lift a 45-pound child. If a gecko used all of its setae at the same time, it could support 280 pounds.

“Our previous research suggested that van der Waals forces could explain gecko adhesion. But we couldn’t rule out water adsorption or some other types of water interaction. With our new data, we can finally disprove a 30-year-old theory based on the adhesion of water molecules.”

The team’s previous research ruled out two other possible forms of adhesion: suction and chemical bonding.

Geometry vs. chemistry

“The van der Waals theory predicts we can enhance adhesion—just as nature has—simply by subdividing a surface into small protrusions to increase surface density,” Autumn explains. “It also suggests that a possible design principle underlies the repeated, convergent evolution of dry adhesive microstructures in geckos, anoles, skinks, and insects. Basically, Mother Nature is packing a whole bunch of tiny things into a given area.”

If van der Waals adhesion determines setal force, then geometry and not the material make-up that should dictate the design of setae, the team predicted.

Jacob Israelachvili at the University of California at Santa Barbara applied a mathematical model—the Johnson-Kendall-Roberts theory of adhesion—to predict the size and shape of the setae.

Ronald Fearing at the University of California at Berkeley took the empirical results and nanofabricated synthetic foot-hair tips from two different materials.

“We confirmed it’s geometry, not surface chemistry, that enables a gecko to support its entire body with a single toe,” Autumn says.

“This means we don’t need to mimic biology precisely,” he explains. “We can apply the underlying principles and create a similar adhesive by breaking a surface into small bumps. These preliminary physical models provide proof that humans can fabricate synthetic gecko adhesive,” he says.

“The artificial foot-hair tip model opens the door to manufacturing dry, self-cleaning adhesive that works under water and in a vacuum,” according to Autumn, who foresees countless applications for synthetic gecko adhesive—from vacuum areas of clean rooms to outer space.

Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency supports the research.

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Download photographs and movies of geckos and their foot hairs at:

http://www.lclark.edu/~autumn/PNAS

http://www.lclark.ed...tumn/gecko.html

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#5 Canuck

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 15:19

Interesting. So they've figured out how they stick - one little lizard with 280lbs of stiction. The first thing that came to mind was "how do they unstick such force?"

#6 phantom II

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 15:44

Just reverse this process.
“Intermolecular forces come into play because the gecko foot hairs split and allow a billion spatulae to increase surface density and come into close contact with the surface. This creates a strong adhesive force,” says Autumn.
Maybe I should send this information to those cheap bastards at Chevrolet. Maybe my roof will stay on.

Originally posted by Canuck
Interesting. So they've figured out how they stick - one little lizard with 280lbs of stiction. The first thing that came to mind was "how do they unstick such force?"



#7 Engineguy

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 16:56

You ever seen that pile of dead gecko carcasses behind the Bridgestone racing tire facitory? :wave:

#8 phantom II

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 16:59

You mean the ones with no feet? Ferrari will stop at nothing. Nothing.

Originally posted by Engineguy
You ever seen that pile of dead gecko carcasses behind the Bridgestone racing tire facitory? :wave:



#9 Limits

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 20:31

Originally posted by phantom II

Geckos have millions of setae—microscopic hairs on the bottom of their feet. These tiny setae are only as long as two diameters of a human hair. That’s 100 millionth of a meter long. Each seta ends with 1,000 even tinier pads at the tip. These tips, called spatulae, are only 200 billionths of a meter wide—below the wavelength of visible light.

Fascinating. But from what I understand, modern race tires is not so far from that principle? I mean, in principle :)

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 01:01

The armies of Genghis Khan are said to have used arrow-proof vests woven from silk,which maybe approaches the spider web in it's nature.

Carbon nanotubes are the strongest "threads" currently made experimentally.The recent concept of centrifugal launch of space craft from a tethered length of "something" has been seen as viable if carbon nanotube technology moves along.Steel was too weak to be of sufficient length (too heavy to resist it's own generated g-force) once a payload was crawled up the cable and assembled for slinging into space or an orbit.

But spiders in space spinning webs-hey-David Bowie scientist -spiders from Mars !

#11 Terry Walker

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 09:13

QUOTE: A strand of spider silk the width of a pencil could stop a Boeing 747 airplane in flight. UNQUOTE

I wouldn't like to meet that spider.

#12 Terry Walker

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 09:17

.. but here's an idea of his size:

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 15:29

mmm....one of them has been spotted in Bilbao....and now I understand what the one at Roppongi Hills is doing...;)