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[Galko877]

This one was Kimi's, for sure.

[Mastah]

Originally posted by Cheap Wine Alesi
He needed fuel

And also he needed to change to hards. His first two stints were on soft tyres.

[noikeee]

Massa's pace in Fuji strangely looked like the typical Kimi race: not very quick during the first and second stint, except for the final laps in the second stint where he started doing FLs - and then when the softs came in, he REALLY started going for it, way quicker than everyone else on track.

Which answers VresiBerba's remark of "you can't just lap that quick with a damaged car", well Massa at the end of the race was lapping way quicker than Kimi, the difference might have been partly explained by the damage... Ferrari had a lot of pace for the race this weekend.

Kimi's WDC chances are now mathematically over and I'm curious to see how much of a #2 role he'll play in Shanghai and Interlagos. That is, if Massa doesn't repeat performances like this, because you can't be a #2 when the #1 sabotages his own race.

[Cinquecento]

Chalk this one for Massa with a Kimi-like awakening at the end of the race, whereas the reigning champion's nerves melted over race distance in true Massa fashion.

[Yellowmc]

Originally posted by Cinquecento
Chalk this one for Massa with a Kimi-like awakening at the end of the race, whereas the reigning champion's nerves melted over race distance in true Massa fashion.

Massa was never awake.

[wewantourdarbyback]

Felipe's been half asleep since half way through singapore ;)

[Amrl]

Superb latter half of the race from Massa. He sure made that pass on Kimi look easy. Good one, Felipe.;)

[Henrik B]

Outqualified with less fuel - that gotta hurt for Massa!

[modamas]

Originally posted by Henrik Brodin
Outqualified with less fuel - that gotta hurt for Massa!

That´s a bit strange, indeed. He was on pace at Japan and China in Q2, but suddenly in Q3 the car/tyres doesn´t work anymore (quite the opposite to Kimis problems this year).
That weekend was clearly Kimis.

[molive]

Originally posted by Henrik Brodin
Outqualified with less fuel - that gotta hurt for Massa!

It was strange indeed, but not unprecedented as the same happened to Kimi before.

Btw, why is this thread still going on? Does anyone actually think that Kimi can be declared the best Ferrari driver of 2008?

[Henrik B]

Originally posted by molive


It was strange indeed, but not unprecedented as the same happened to Kimi before.

Btw, why is this thread still going on? Does anyone actually think that Kimi can be declared the best Ferrari driver of 2008?

Yes, but what I mean is, his strong point has been qualifying, while it has been Kimis weakness. Going into Brazil trying to make up ground on Lewis while knowing that in this point in time, you're not your teams fastest driver, can be a burden.

[MikeTekRacing]

felipe has never been quite a big fan of china actually.
this weekend kimi was really back. nice to see the iceman again.
ferrari got the best result possible here. no way they could have challenged lewis.

[MichaelPM]

Interesting little point about the points.

Kimi last year beat Massa by 16 points, this year Massa so far is beating Kimi by 28 points and assuming Massa dosent DNF it is most likely going to grow for the last race.

[Cinquecento]

Originally posted by molive


It was strange indeed, but not unprecedented as the same happened to Kimi before.

Btw, why is this thread still going on? Does anyone actually think that Kimi can be declared the best Ferrari driver of 2008?

We're here to rub micra's half-arsed poll in his face, of course. We asked him where is the "Massa dominates Kimi" option back in page 1.

Not that one can be very impressed with Massa this weekend. The man didn't show up. :

[SeanValen]

The problem is Kimi is actually much more confident with the car from Spa onwards, this perhaps does not help Massa if Kimi accidently poles or qualifies ahead of him, it's just another thing for ferrari to manage, and like today in China it looks embarrising for Massa, Massa has his bad tracks, but China he's pretty much always dissappointing, anyone remember China 2006, MS pushing hard for the win, yet Massa was struggeling for a point, it was wet, which is even worse, nothing worse then it raining on a track your not even great at in the dry, if we look at Silverstone this year as well, another track Massa isn't great at, and were Kimi looked more on it, if it rains, you look even worse, as Massa did there, I think Massas poor showings on these tracks are a bit too poor to cover up and move on, it's quite clear Ferrari needed Kimi to challenge for the title, it's what they expect of him, but his issues this year gave Massa opportunities, I'm not expecting Massa to have a season like 2008 again, the huge testing Ferrari have lined up for Kimi in the winter will pretty much end any speculation that Massa benefited from a very odd and rare season from the iceman.

But saying all that, it would be cool if Massa won the title at Brazil, I would hate to be a Brazilian driver and fail to get the title on homeground, Massa will feel the heat, but Hamilton still has pressure to actually finish, which sometimes feels easy, but if it rains, or if the unexpected happens, it can get testy.


I'm not a Ham fan, but I thought he did very well win in China, it was embarrising to see Massa not putting once ounce of pressure on Hamilton in this race, Kimi was doing that, I think 2008 is the worst ferrari season this decade, maybe not for results, I know 2005 was bad because ferrari couldn't challenge for wins, but sooner or later, even ferrari had to have a bad car again, but 2008 has seen a subpar season from ir's drivers, Kimi, which the ferrari president and the team are definately treating as a one off, and Massa's title ambititions, well it's clear, Ferrari would welcome the drivers title from him, but they just don't seem to expect it with enough conviction, because deep down Ferrari must of known Massa isn't as good as Kimi at China, Ferrari cannot be blind to that, they won't reveal it of cource, the vibe seems to me, Kimi lost the WC this year and the team with not working out issues with the car, which seem to not even come out in last winters testing, everything seemed fine and Kimi had won the WC last year, maybe they rested on their laurels a bit, but I expect to not see that in 2009.


While Hamilton has certain issues now and again with his mind set, I think generally he is a better all round speed performance seeker on alot of the tracks, and Massa has major issues with some tracks, but Hamilton does not, in that case, if Hamilton wins, I wouldn't mind, I don' think 2008 was the best season for ferrari drivers this decade, it's been the worst, but Hamilton and Mclaren, while not perfect, they've been the team to look for the title and hunt for it, Ferrari have just been too odd at times, the pit thing in Singapore was silly, and some reliabilitiy issues didn't look good, Kimi's issues with qualifying, Massa's odd performances at certain tracks.

Maybe Massa will win Brazil, he's better then in China, but this China performance I'm sorry to say was just too bad for me to think he really made the best of a chance of getting the title he may only get once in his career, when Kimi gets back to normal ways in 2009, people will be wondering what the fuss was about, I don't think Ferrari really put enough pressure on Mclaren and Hams this year, some of it due to drivers, some due to team mistakes, and bascially a lack of confidence really, I felt the team really lost it's voice with Kimi's issues, Massa was just the unexpected detour that was the result of a very rare and odd season from the prancing horse. Next year they'll be back to business, you can't have it good every year, they did last year, and almost the year before, it's still a ferrari decade for consistency, great team, but things just don't always come togther in certain years.

[klover]

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Interesting little point about the points.

Kimi last year beat Massa by 16 points, this year Massa so far is beating Kimi by 28 points and assuming Massa dosent DNF it is most likely going to grow for the last race.

Yeah, interesting little point about your math skills. 28 points?

[pingu666]

its 18 atm, maybe a typo by the guy

it could switch to 8 or 28 depending what happens last race, and any variation inbetween, but massa has locked into the most pointscored for ferrari 2008.

so i guess hes won the thread

[speedmaster]

So... can we finally put this thread to rest? I'm really happy that Massa won it...

Kimi fans should look for Baumgarten...he has a used crowbar that he may lend to all of you

Cheers and let's see how it goes next year.

[TT6]

Originally posted by speedmaster
So... can we finally put this thread to rest? I'm really happy that Massa won it...

Yes, he won. But it's yet to be seen how much. Kimi's been catching up lately...

[giacomo]

"I'd be glad if I could do something for Felipe, that he can win the title and Ferrari will be again victorious in the constructors' championship in the last race of the season."
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/71644

Kudos for Kimi.


Still I'm looking forward to Brazil with mixed feelings. Somehow Felipes momentum seems to be gone since the Singapore disaster. :

[Taxi]

it's typical Raikkonen. He's a great profesional and will help his team. He lost to felipe and he admit it. Probabily Alonso and Hami and others would be making bold statments by now.
Ferrary doesn't have the driver of the quality of Schumacher anymore. Probabily Alonso and Hamilton would fit in that role better than Kimi. But, for me, Ferrari is a better team now.

[molive]

Originally posted by giacomo
Somehow Felipes momentum seems to be gone since the Singapore disaster. :

I´d say after Hungary, but then there was Valencia. Yes, it was Singapore that really did it for Massa. There´s a limt on how many times one can fight back. He has done it this season a couple of times, but now it seems quite difficult, unless Hammy/McLaren give a little help...

[speedmaster]

My " santeria" forecast....

Massa on pole and victory with the faster lap

Kimi second

Alonso third

Hamilton engine blows up lap 31st

Hell brake lose in the stands... Molive will - finally - have an orgasm and probably be out of the forum for a week

Baumgarten will eat the crowbar while thinking...why I have said that...why I have said that

Let's wait and see... as we say in Brazil: day of few, eve of many... he had his eve of few...it is now day of much

GO Massa... Happy race Molive

[Ricardo F1]

Originally posted by molive


I´d say after Hungary, but then there was Valencia. Yes, it was Singapore that really did it for Massa. There´s a limt on how many times one can fight back. He has done it this season a couple of times, but now it seems quite difficult, unless Hammy/McLaren give a little help...

What did it for Massa? Massa's performing extremely well still, Ferrari were slightly behind McLaren in Fuji and China - Massa just did a classic Massa nerf in Fuji, but hell it's taken the Championship to Brazil. Both races Ferrari and Raikonnen seem to have finally figured out some of the issues with the car that he's had so much trouble with this year.

[emburmak]

2008 is clearly FM's vis his teammate-bring on 2009!

[Atreiu]

Originally posted by speedmaster
My " santeria" forecast....

Massa on pole and victory with the faster lap

Kimi second

Alonso third

Hamilton engine blows up lap 31st

Hell brake lose in the stands... Molive will - finally - have an orgasm and probably be out of the forum for a week

Baumgarten will eat the crowbar while thinking...why I have said that...why I have said that

Let's wait and see... as we say in Brazil: day of few, eve of many... he had his eve of few...it is now day of much

GO Massa... Happy race Molive

Forget it, Fafá de Belém will be singing.

[speedmaster]

Originally posted by Atreiu



Forget it, Fafá de Belém will be singing.

Oops then... What about having her boobs hanging in front of Hamilton at the green light...if he likes it may be some tenths of advantage...;)

[Frans]

In Brazil Massa will be really swepped up, he's in a position he's never been before, and also never will be anymore anytime in the future as well..... it's a once in a lifetime experiance for Massa, and he has learned all the tricks he needs to secure the title in a "Schumacher"-like way..... and know what? He learned from the ram-bam-bam-Meister himself!!!!

Mark my words; Massa will try to eliminate the McLaren with Hamilton in it.... He tried it before, but didn't really succeeded the way he wanted it to.... But now, some weeks later, he has doen an unbelievable ammount of hours in the specially prepared F1-crash-him-out simulator what is designed by Michael Schumacher, so the whole move is in his head. It doesn't matter if Hamilton will be in front of Massa, next to him on the left, on the right or even ABOVE him, Massa knows now what to do... how to do it, and how NOT to do it.

The only thing what can ruin his "Schumacher"-move on Hamilton, is his nerves..... does he BELIEVE the world won't get it? Does he actually REALLY thinks we are blind and stupid? It's written on his little forehead! His eyes twinkle if he thinks about it. He will totally have a tank like Ferrari to complete this task... He has rewatched Adelaide 94 and Jerez 97 how to do it and how not to do it. The specially prepped simulator in Valencia in a secret bunker, has done the rest .... Massa is brainwashed now.. .. The goal is set, the timer is walking, and a week from now, the world has withnessed the result of all this!

Do NOT underestimate the power of the F1-crash-him-out Simulator (version 3.2) Ferrari posseses in secret!!!!

[MikeTekRacing]

Originally posted by Frans
does he BELIEVE the world won't get it? Does he actually REALLY thinks we are blind and stupid?

i am pretty sure that he is right about a few
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/71652

[Frans]

I hope Massa can actually believe what he himself says.... Then he has one believer at least.....

[VresiBerba]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Massa's performing extremely well still... Massa just did a classic Massa nerf in Fuji...

And that nerf you call extremely well performed Massa was dreadful in Japan!