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[Twin Window]

Judging by recent activity on t'other thread there seems enough interest in Britsh club racing to warrant its own photographic thread - so here it is.

I'll kick off with the first pic to hand, which is me during the 1991 Mondello Park Citroen 2CV 24 Hours.



Not really personal in quite the sense it's meant to be, but it's a start!

[Andrew Kitson]

I suggest we also have British club racing paddock shots here too, rather than a split like before?
So Britain and Ireland it is then..

[Stephen W]

Longridge c.1977

[Stephen W]

Above: 1977 Longridge and the assembly area


Above: the cockpit of Scott Stringfellow's FF1600 - Oulton Park 1986

[alansart]

Anybody go to Crystal Palace.

Taken with an old Brownie.




Is this club racing?

[Andrew Kitson]

Great stuff! I'd say F3 in the UK qualifies to be here, yes. That colour one looks like the October meeting 1970 when James Hunt took up kick-boxing. From left to right Birrell, Hunt, Walker.

[alansart]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
I suggest we also have British club racing paddock shots here too, rather than a split like before?
So Britain and Ireland it is then..

Perhaps Andrew is right as I wanted to counter this:


With this:

Scott all at sea

[Andrew Kitson]

What does eveyone think? Shall we say anything from F.Atlantic down ( ie. below F5000/F2 ) posted here in future, even if they are support races at the the big Internationals? Include any BSCC/BTCC also, even if it is the TT?

[alansart]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Great stuff! I'd say F3 in the UK qualifies to be here, yes. That colour one looks like the October meeting 1970 when James Hunt took up kick-boxing. From left to right Birrell, Hunt, Walker.

I think it may well be the infamous Hunt muscle flexing meeting.

I went to almost all the CP meetings from late 69 until it closed. F3 was brilliant around there. I wish I'd had a decent camera in those days, as was a great place for photos.

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson

I suggest we also have British club racing paddock shots here too, rather than a split like before?
So Britain and Ireland it is then..

Indeed.

Shall we say anything from F.Atlantic down ( ie. below F5000/F2 ) posted here in future, even if they are support races at the the big Internationals? Include any BSCC/BTCC also, even if it is the TT?

But Atlantic and saloons already have their own threads, Andrew...

[alansart]

A few more with the old Brownie.

Brands early 70's.

A Lotus 47. I've no idea who it belonged to.


F3 GRD's. Andy Sutcliffe and Tim Brise (who ended upside down at Druids). Brother Tony won.


Terry Crocker has a problem with parking!

[sterling49]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Great stuff! I'd say F3 in the UK qualifies to be here, yes. That colour one looks like the October meeting 1970 when James Hunt took up kick-boxing. From left to right Birrell, Hunt, Walker.

Was this the meeting that Dave Morgan's mum took up the "war of words" in the pages of Autosport? James was pretty effective IIRC

[Phil Rainford]

A few shots which hopefully illustrates the essence of British Club Racing in the 1980s......

Leighton Buzzard's finest Ron Phillips leads Dick Grimwood and Alan Seeking into the Mallory hairpin



Steven Coombes leads the Alfasuds of Roger Veall and Jonathan Frankel



Bury's ( Worth a visit to the market for black puddings !!) Steve Jones looks as though he is heading off to Hinckley while Richard Bateman who was sponsored by the Parrots Wine Bar Croydon receives some unwelcome attention from another resident of Bury, John Richardson.



Kind regards

Phil

[Simon Arron]

Originally posted by alansart
Anybody go to Crystal Palace?

I was there 90 minutes ago, albeit playing 5-a-side.

When I first moved to London, in 1982, there was still a sign hanging on the fence at Crystal Palace: 'No access. Motor racing circuit in use'. I had my eye on that for several months, but someone eventually beat me to it.

The venue still has a practical purpose (apart from the Astroturf pitch that rips my knees to shreds on Mondays). Springsteen played there a couple of summers ago. Forgot to book tickets, but I could hear him from my back garden...

[alansart]

For a 15 year old kid who's parents didn't drive Crystal Palace was a wonderful place as I could get there on public transport. I lived 30 miles north of London in those days. You could even buy a ticket at Waterloo to get into the circuit and the bridge from the platform led on to the track. Fantastic atmosphere and if you breathe deeply you still may still smell the odour of Castrol R

I was also a swimmer and swam for my town on many occasions including galas at the Crystal Palace Olympic Pool

[Simon Arron]

Am I to assume that any car photographed at Longridge qualifies as clubbie fodder, even if it's a McLaren MP4-23? On that basis...

James Hunt (March 712) leads Bob Poole (Palliser - although that looks suspiciously like a March nose) in a Libre event, July 3 1977.


Graham Hill wonders whether he should phone Merlyn to moan about the Mk30's crap aerodynamics. This is from the dubiously named Clubmans Champagne meeting at Oulton Park on April 8 1978. The six scheduled races were reduced by one because the proposed FF2000 event attracted only five entries.


By May 1978 it was Tony Sugden's turn to race this - a Daf 55 that had been driven by almost everybody apart from the de Rooy brothers.


Lionel Shakespeare (TR5) leads a genteel Prodsports cavalcade around Lodge, June 26 1976.

And finally, from the same meeting...

Does anybody remember this bloke? His name doesn't ring any bells and I can't find him on any other Oulton Park entry lists from 1975-1977. A gold star for the first person to identify him correctly.

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by Simon Arron



By May 1978 it was Tony Sugden's turn to race this - a Daf 55 that had been driven by almost everybody apart from the de Rooy brothers.

Is this the same Daf?



IIRC Colin Follwell of Corbeau was driving it; Mallory, 1973.

[Simon Arron]

I believe so. The names I link with Daf 55s are Colin Folwell, Alan Minshaw, Tony Sugden and - I think - Tony Hazelwood. I can't recall whether one or two were built, though. Either way, Skodas outnumbered them by a factor of about 367.

Nice Hillman Minx Series V/VI in the background. Not sure whether that's a Hunter, Minx or Vogue to the left. Has anybody identified the caravan?

[Andrew Kitson]

That Daf has been restored, it was at the Autosport show and will hopefully be raced once again by Hazelwood and hopefully somewhere that is allowed 'noisy' days! It wouldn't be the same if silenced.

[Andrew Kitson]

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Has anybody identified the caravan?

No but I can see Chris Meek's fantasy island, 'bridge of eternity' and party lodge.

[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by Simon Arron
I believe so. The names I link with Daf 55s are Colin Folwell, Alan Minshaw, Tony Sugden and - I think - Tony Hazelwood. I can't recall whether one or two were built, though. Either way, Skodas outnumbered them by a factor of about 367.

Nice Hillman Minx Series V/VI in the background. Not sure whether that's a Hunter, Minx or Vogue to the left. Has anybody identified the caravan?

Only 1 Spec/Superloon Daf I think chaps. Built by Chas Beattie IIRC for Hazlewood mainly, and Folwell occasionally in 1973. Used by them thru' 74, then to Minshaw '75. It was very 'different' for its time, in the early 70s most Spec Saloon grids were mainly Minis, Imps, the odd Anglia and Elf, Escorts and Capris. The Daf was a real breath of fresh air I thought.

I believe Sir Tony bought it for the 78 season, it having lain idle for a year or 2. I remember an early 78 meeting at Oulton, I think, where he was described as driving a Volvo. The car wasn't described as being the Daf, I couldn't believe he'd made a Spec Saloon from a 'big Volvo'... that would have been worth seeing!

[ian senior]

Originally posted by Simon Arron
I believe so. The names I link with Daf 55s are Colin Folwell, Alan Minshaw, Tony Sugden and - I think - Tony Hazelwood. I can't recall whether one or two were built, though. Either way, Skodas outnumbered them by a factor of about 367.

Nice Hillman Minx Series V/VI in the background. Not sure whether that's a Hunter, Minx or Vogue to the left. Has anybody identified the caravan?

I think it's Hunter GL model, of the type produced from autumn 1970 to autumn 1974. It can readily be identified by the grey coloured panel between the lights, which neither the Minx nor the Vogue had. It's not a Hunter GLS, because that had a black back panel and no overriders. The later than '74 cars had deeper bumpers and a ribbed panel between the lights.

Next question, please....

[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by ian senior


I think it's Hunter GL model, of the type produced from autumn 1970 to autumn 1974. It can readily be identified by the grey coloured panel between the lights, which neither the Minx nor the Vogue had. It's not a Hunter GLS, because that had a black back panel and no overriders. The later than '74 cars had deeper bumpers and a ribbed panel between the lights.

Next question, please....

Is that a Marina the other side of the caravan?

[alansart]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan


Is that a Marina the other side of the caravan?

Possibly a Hillman get together - Hunter, Avenger and Minx?

There again......

[RTH]

Originally posted by ian senior


I think it's Hunter GL model, of the type produced from autumn 1970 to autumn 1974. It can readily be identified by the grey coloured panel between the lights, which neither the Minx nor the Vogue had. It's not a Hunter GLS, because that had a black back panel and no overriders. The later than '74 cars had deeper bumpers and a ribbed panel between the lights.

Next question, please....

Blimey, there isn't much you can't ask on here !

[ian senior]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan


Is that a Marina the other side of the caravan?

I had a feeling it was Chrysler 180 or 2 Litre, but can't be sure.

[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by Stephen W


Longridge c.1977

Andrew Gorrie per chance, Steve?

[Stephen W]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan


Andrew Gorrie per chance, Steve?

In the programme it is given as I.Gorrie so I had assumed it was Ian in this 2 litre Triumph GT6.

[Alan Cox]

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Does anybody remember this bloke? His name doesn't ring any bells and I can't find him on any other Oulton Park entry lists from 1975-1977. A gold star for the first person to identify him correctly.

It looks like good old Jean-Claude Buire to me, Simon. Gold star anyone?
I think he ran a rest home for budgerigars up near Barrow-in-Furness, and lived in a converted lightship off the Fylde coast.

In reality, I suspect it may be this bloke (see the drummer)
http://myfile.hanafo...G-offer3_4.html
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
See the comments and responses on the You Tube clip.

Edited by Alan Cox, 17 November 2010 - 09:39.

[Andrew Kitson]

A few pictures from over here in the 'flatter' region of England.

Alan McCully's BT28 at Snetterton on Good Friday 1970...and the old 'greasy spoon' Snett cafe!


On to the 1980s, Hugh Chamberlain at a test in one of his Mallock clubmans cars in 1984, the car regularly campaigned by Will Hoy.


Snetterton was very scruffy back then, Jonathan Palmer has now changed it totally. More clubmans cars at that test.


FF2000 at the 'bombhole' in 1988, previously part of the Esses on the pre '74 long circuit. The old esses bridge and grandstand (just in shot on the right), are both long gone.


The 1989 Willhire 25 hours (an extra hour to commemorate the 'Willhire' companies 25th anniversary that year).
I think Ian Taylor drove this Merc, seen here from the infield side of that bridge. The old home straight and left handed first part of the old esses can still be seen, all grassed over today. The Norwich straight up to the hairpin ran in front of the hedge/treeline visible in the far distance. The A11 road just a few yards behind the hedge.


From the other side of the bridge, also in 1989 at the Willhire. The 'new' esses introduced in 1974. The new Revett straight (at top left) which effectively cut the circuit in half from Sear to the Esses. Again the old circuit can be seen joining from the right. The first version of the new Esses did not last long, very dangerous with the bridge at the exit, infact there was a fatality. You can see the path of this first quick 'Ess' through the grass in the centre (where the tyre wall is). The path of the second version is as can be found today.


A Sports/saloon race at the last meeting of the year in November 1997, to show the new bridge at the end of the Revett straight. Perhaps one of the last photos taken from that grandstand as it was demolished that winter.


Much smarter now, taken from where the old bridge used to be, a test session in 2005. Lots of cars being shaken down for the Goodwood revival.

[Alan Cox]

Nice to see some shots from East Anglia, Andrew. More, please. Especially the paddock pics.

[bradbury west]

Wasn't the old straight the longest in the UK at the time? Certainly called for good retardation at the end IIRC.
Roger Lund.

[Simon Arron]

Originally posted by Alan Cox
It looks like good old Jean-Claude Buire to me. I think he ran a rest home for budgerigars up near Barrow-in-Furness, and lived in a converted lightship off the Fylde coast.

Good spot. Top marks. I owe you a beer (and a ShellSport star, if I can find one) on March 3.

Given his name, though, I'd have thought it much more likely that he originally hailed from farther south -Stalybridge or Glossop, perhaps? You might be right about the budgies, though.

[Andrew Kitson]

Originally posted by bradbury west
Wasn't the old straight the longest in the UK at the time? Certainly called for good retardation at the end IIRC.
Roger Lund.

The actual straight was about the same length as the hangar straight at Silverstone, however it was a flat out blast from the exit of Sear corner with a gentle kink leading on to the Norwich straight, therefore about a mile from Sear to the Hairpin. Yes, good brakes were a must. There was a small run-off area, about 12 feet of sand with a pile of sand bags at the end! For those who have never been to Snetterton, the modern day circuit (changed in 1974) has a straight which cuts the circuit in half, using the runway between Sear and the Esses. The triangular hairpin section is now covered with an enormous Sunday market, however a redeeming factor is this market houses a fantastic huge model shop ( actually open 7 days per week ). Everything you can think of in there!


I may have posted this one before, apologies if so. My earliest memories of Snetterton were around this time, taken in 1965 by my good friend Steve Bradley (ex-FF/F3 driver), posting it with his permission. Not sure which Galaxie this is, could be the 'Hutcheson' car, any ideas?

[glyn parham]

Hi Andrew.

I may have posted this one before, apologies if so. My earliest memories of Snetterton were around this time, taken in 1965 by my good friend Steve Bradley (ex-FF/F3 driver), posting it with his permission. Not sure which Galaxie this is, could be the 'Hutcheson' car, any ideas?

That is the Huitchison Galaxie, I'm sure it was correctly identified on the BSCC thread.

Glyn

[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by Alan Cox

It looks like good old Jean-Claude Buire to me, Simon. Gold star anyone?
I think he ran a rest home for budgerigars up near Barrow-in-Furness, and lived in a converted lightship off the Fylde coast.

In reality, I suspect it may be this bloke (see the drummer)
http://myfile.hanafo...G-offer3_4.html
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
See the comments and responses on the You Tube clip.

Am I missing something here?? Is this Oultonspeak?

[ian senior]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan

Is this Oultonspeak?

No, it's Kobaian.

[EDWARD FITZGERALD]

Originally posted by Twin Window
Judging by recent activity on t'other thread there seems enough interest in Britsh club racing to warrant its own photographic thread - so here it is.

I'll kick off with the first pic to hand, which is me during the 1991 Mondello Park Citroen 2CV 24 Hours.



Not really personal in quite the sense it's meant to be, but it's a start!

We probably met , as I was one of the organizing club , we ran on 4 officials and about 12 marshals , amazing , and not that many years ago.

[Phil Rainford]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
[B]



I may have posted this one before, apologies if so. My earliest memories of Snetterton were around this time, taken in 1965 by my good friend Steve Bradley (ex-FF/F3 driver)

A trio of shots of Steve Bradley in the Safir RJ03 from a Toyota F3 race at Oulton Park 16th August 1986:







Kind regards

Phil

[alansart]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Phil Rainford
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
[B]



I may have posted this one before, apologies if so. My earliest memories of Snetterton were around this time, taken in 1965 by my good friend Steve Bradley (ex-FF/F3 driver)

A trio of shots of Steve Bradley in the Safir RJ03 from a Toyota F3 race at Oulton Park 16th August 1986:







Kind regards

Phil [/QUOTE]

Are you sure it's a F3 race as there appear to be FF2000 Reynards in it. Monoposto, or maybe a mixed grid?

[Andrew Kitson]

Thanks for those, excellent, I'll show Steve. He was offered that car again a year or two back.
i think it was a libre race. Pretty sure Trimmer's T332 was in it.

[Phil Rainford]

Originally posted by alansart


Are you sure it's a F3 race as there appear to be FF2000 Reynards in it. Monoposto, or maybe a mixed grid?

It was a race within a race

It was a BRSCC Formula Libre Race with a Toyota F3 Class running within the main race.....the two Reynards are local drivers Chris Latham and Paul Galletley and they are actually in the Formula Libre Class

Kind regards

Phil

[Phil Rainford]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Thanks for those, excellent, I'll show Steve. He was offered that car again a year or two back.
i think it was a libre race. Pretty sure Trimmer's T332 was in it.

One more ......this time from Mallory Park



Kind regards

Phil

[Simon Arron]

The summer of '77. The soundscape? Knowing Me, Knowing You - Abba. Chanson d'Amour - Manhattan bleedin' Transfer. The Crunch - Rah Band. You're Moving Out Today - Carole Bayer Sager. Pretty Vacant - Sex Pistols. And, as good now as it sounded then - David Bowie's Sound and Vision. Meanwhile, in a corner of the North-West...


We'll start with the great Geraldo, dispatching Lodge with consummate ease on May 21. Note singular spectator in pavilion grandstand.


John McCaffrey - doesn't quite have the Marshall touch, apparently.


This probably qualifies for several threads, as we can see the Oulton Park scoreboard and commentary tower, the Dinorben Arms hospitality trailer and a tent. Oh, and Martin Pearson's Datsun Cherry.


Longridge, April 24 (when Billy Ocean was doing quite well with Red Light Spells Danger). Richard Storey climbs the modest rise at the exit of Quarry.


This is probably one for The Technical Forum. Why was Peter Jürgens's Austin A40 fitted with a security blanket?


Wind tunnel not pictured... JI Phillips (1929 Alvis) contests the Melville and Geoghegan Trophies race during the Richard Seaman Memorial meeting on June 18.


Slightly more elegantly, Alain de Cadenet (Alfa Romeo P3) leads PB Merritt's 1949 HW Alta during the 20-lap scratch race for Allcomers. Looks like an Autobianchi A110 to the right in the background.


Finally, two classic Special Saloons (plus yonder Austin Allegro) in the Oulton Park paddock on August 6: Nick Whiting's Escort and Peter Baldwin's Mini.

[Alan Cox]

Originally posted by Simon Arron

There is something clearly more interesting than the Jurgens A40 in the background, if the crowd of anoraks is anything to go by.

[sterling49]

Great photos Simon, Gerry's Magnum in typical pose! Whiting's Mk11 was a lovely car, I used to buy tons of stuff at his place, but rarely did it make my car faster

.......wasn't that also the summer that Elvis died? Can't remember what record of his was out at the time, but recall it was sometime over August Bank Holiday week-end?? That Carole Bayer Sager record was sick inducing Bowie....

[Simon Arron]

Originally posted by Alan Cox
There is something clearly more interesting than the Jürgens A40 in the background, if the crowd of anoraks is anything to go by.

Potential candidates include a) Tony Jerams's Hillman Imp, b) the Longridge ice cream van or c) Warren Booth's Lotus 69 (pictured drawing admiring glances below).


For Sterling's benefit, Elvis received the chequered flag 10 days after I took the Whiting/Baldwin snap. Brotherhood of Man (Angelo) was top-selling single that month, but Elvis's Way Down was a posthumous best-seller in September.

[alansart]

Originally posted by sterling49
That Carole Bayer Sager record was sick inducing

our nasty habits ain't confined to bed (Ha, Ha Ha Ha)
The grocer told me what you do with bread (what do you do?)
Why don't you take up with the baker's wife instead of me, fool!

Pack up your rubber duck
I'd like to wish you luck
Your funny cigarettes
Your sixty-one cassettes
Pack all your clothes away
Your rubber hose away
Your old day-glos away
You're moving out today

etc, etc

And they say the songs of today are rubbish

[sterling49]

....thumbing thro CD collection now for "Angelo".....in the groove man

"Way Down" of course.....you know your stuff Simon, there was a time when I had instant recall

[sterling49]

Originally posted by alansart


our nasty habits ain't confined to bed (Ha, Ha Ha Ha)
The grocer told me what you do with bread (what do you do?)
Why don't you take up with the baker's wife instead of me, fool!

Pack up your rubber duck
I'd like to wish you luck
Your funny cigarettes
Your sixty-one cassettes
Pack all your clothes away
Your rubber hose away
Your old day-glos away
You're moving out today

etc, etc

And they say the songs of today are rubbish

TNF could dominate on a pop quiz you know How did you know those words Alan? .....thinks...he is playing it in the car at the moment on his 8 track ..........and runs for cover.......