"Of course I ignored the team as I want to try and get another place"
#1
Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:33
Is it right to ignore team orders to try and get another place?
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#2
Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:39
edit. "is a prick"
Edited by Wingcommander, 25 March 2013 - 07:03.
#3
Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:41
What did you vote? 'is a prick' or 'get the favor returned'?No. A driver is an employee and should do what the team tells him to do.
#4
Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:47
#5
Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:54
I don't really think much less of him to be honest - there are not many sports where winning is against the rules.
(I'm not saying he did the right thing, just saying I don't hate him for it)
#6
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:09
imo it would only have been acceptable if it were a fair fight
#7
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:10
...so, he's a prick. Only 1 person could disobey at RBR...and that's Dieter.
#8
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:13
Fight for the win, but expect the other guy to do the same in similar circumstances.
+1, Everything else is just hypocracy
#9
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:18
#10
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:22
#11
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:22
Well, by the time Vettel knew Webber was coming for him in Silverstone, he had turned his engine back up, just like when Webber found out the fight was on in turn 4 and they both set 3 consecutive fastest laps.i voted no hes a prick
imo it would only have been acceptable if it were a fair fight
But you believe Webber is a prick. Yesterday was karma then?
#12
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:28
#13
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:36
i voted no hes a prick
imo it would only have been acceptable if it were a fair fight
ditto
#14
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:38
He must have calculated correctly that the team will be pissed for a few days, there will be a bit of criticism to start with, he will be forced to issue one or multiple apologies etc, but surely Vettel knows that when it comes to next race, RedBull will more likely be looking to him to deliver that win than his aging team mate who has relatively little to show. So hats off to Vettel for judging the upside/downside equation to perfection and going for the kill.
#15
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:47
Vettel is alive to win races and probably wouldn't be one of the best racing drivers in the world if he thought 'okkk 2nd it is'
I don't really think much less of him to be honest - there are not many sports where winning is against the rules.
(I'm not saying he did the right thing, just saying I don't hate him for it)
Yes Vettel is a ruthless selfish prick but that's why he's going to retire a 6,7 or 8 time world champion and one of the GOATs.
#16
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:55
No, race manager should prevail, but not all the time. A driver, being in "gemba", occasionally should have right to override pitwall, if he feels that a call is wrong. After all, this is not about collaboration between drivers, but winning and defeat.We can discuss all we want, but let's cut it down to a simple question.
Is it right to ignore team orders to try and get another place?
Schumacher's case I think was different than what we seen yesterday at Mercedes. RB was almost never close to Michael to claim primacy in that team. I wonder than what Ferrari will do with Massa beating Alonso. Brawn disappointed me, because just a few months ago he claimed that Hamilton is not number one driver, yet Rosberg got shafted and robbed of a podium in real terms already in a second race, just like RB got shafted in Austria (one of few cases RB should have won). What happened at RBR is beyond my comprehension, because the race doesn't lasts only till last stop-over, and as seen in the past, fight is on till the Finish. In my mind whatever went on yesterday was unnecessary call, and I am almost suspicious, that chiefs were worry mostly about repetition of Turkey 2010, and that Webber will take Vettel out, which is why they did not want any passes so late in the race. It was not the concern about equipment, as claimed.
Edited by Sakae, 25 March 2013 - 08:03.
#17
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:46
Yes Vettel is a ruthless selfish prick but that's why he's going to retire a 6,7 or 8 time world champion and one of the GOATs.
Not necessarily. What he did was wrong. He ignored team orders. What's to say he won't do it again?
This win at all costs mentality could turn around and bite him in the behind one of these days.
If anything after this he's more of a goat, the four legged kind....
#18
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:53
It's hilarious to see people slag Vettel for ignoring team orders, but go to a Merc thread and bash mercedes for using team orders.
Edited by MikeV1987, 25 March 2013 - 08:55.
#19
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:53
Best thing I've read on a F1 forum for quite a while. Does anyone remember "Booooh, Ferrari Team orders, Boooh gifted win to Schumacher in Austria, Boooh Alonso having #1 status" ... Anyone ... please?What he did was wrong. He ignored team orders.
Edited by Realyn, 25 March 2013 - 08:54.
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#20
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:55
i voted no hes a prick
imo it would only have been acceptable if it were a fair fight
Seconded.
#21
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:57
#22
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:14
#23
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:16
#24
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:18
Edited by apoka, 25 March 2013 - 09:18.
#25
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:23
i see what you did there
i think the most people dont even realize that it is this guy mark webber whose sentence that one is :-). that it is this guy mark webber who did the exact same thing in 2011 that vettel did yesterday.
i read in this forum a lot. and its funny to see how biased the people are when it comes to vettel.
now he is the prick, but when it was webber who raced to get a place, he was declared a "real racer".
webber should understand that he is the number two.
mark webber in f1 since 2002:
9 poles
11 race wins
sebastian vettel in f1 since 2007:
38 poles
27 race wins
......
#26
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:38
Mark Webber"The team radioed me about four times, asking that I maintain the gap to Seb," explained Webber. "But I wasn't happy with that because you should never give up in Formula 1, so I continued to push. If Fernando had retired on the last lap, we would have been battling for the lead.
Silverstone 2011
#27
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:54
Try here; http://forums.autosp...howtopic=183465
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