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[kosmos]

I don't think this FP is representative of the car true potential, let's wait tll tomorrow.

[vista]

Why the hell isn't Alonso doing any long runs?

[MoP]

Massa losing terribly in S2 on his medium LR

[PoleMan]

Looks like the cars had some "niggles," ...at least the #3. We'll learn more in the team comments. 

 

62 min: "Alonso has not done his medium-tyre run yet because the team has been working on getting the optimum performance package onto his car."

[JaredS]

"It does not matter how slowly you go so long as you do not stop."

[aray]

I don't think this FP is representative of the car true potential, let's wait tll tomorrow.

i agree....

[kosmos]

 

Scuderia Ferrari ‏@InsideFerrari 5m

#BelgianGP - Traffic and other stuff meant that @alo_oficial did only 6 proper timed laps this afternoon.

[Massa]

Other stuff.... Like " we haven't found optimal setup for the race " ?

 

Anyway, if they had use Barcelona rear wing they are in deep ****.. I don't expect anything good for the race.

[Arry2k]

Game Over!

[Arry2k]

Other stuff.... Like " we haven't found optimal setup for the race " ?
 
Anyway, if they had use Barcelona rear wing they are in deep ****.. I don't expect anything good for the race.

No other stuff like..... "oh yeah you know we were calibrating that new wind tunnel, guess what it's still crap and doesn't work, yeay. Go team us!"

[F.M.]

So Alonso had a tyre failure...

[F.M.]

I don't think this FP is representative of the car true potential, let's wait tll tomorrow.

Straight from McLaren!

[ASFA2011]

We must stay calm ......lol , classic

[kosmos]

Other stuff.... Like " we haven't found optimal setup for the race " ?

 

Anyway, if they had use Barcelona rear wing they are in deep ****.. I don't expect anything good for the race.

 

 

Other stuff like having an issue with the rear wing they wanted to use, having to swap to another rear wing and again changing the rear wing because they fixed the "preferred" rear wing. And probably other issues we don't know.

Edited by kosmos, 23 August 2013 - 15:58.

[solochamp07]

What are the Italian jurno's / publications saying?

 

Today, my guess is...

 

 

 

[Iridescent]

Race is on Sunday. However RBR are the usual

[ApexMouse]

DOOOOOM. 

[PoleMan]

Race is on Sunday. However RBR are the usual

RB look OMINOUS, Iridescent, but how does Ferrari look from an "insider's" viewpoint? I'm expecting to see a bubonic plague gif soon, if we don't get some info from you.

Edited by PoleMan, 23 August 2013 - 16:58.

[fabr68]

I think it is time to relax about the championship hopes and just enjoy the race and what the Ferrari drivers can pull with the car they have.

[topical]

What amazes me is not that Ferrari are off the pace as usual, but that anyone seriously expected different. When was the last time Ferrari did a good job at improving their car? Late 2010?

2011 was hopeless, 2012 was hopeless, and the only reason they looked good at the start of 2013 was because of the tyres. And they still can't sort out the windtunnel. The team is not far off the mess it was in the early 1990s.

[Ravenak]

Lost complete interest in this championship.

[KnucklesAgain]

Hi Everyone. This is my first post, so I want to apologize in advance because my english is not perfect.

 

By the look of things, there is a gossip on Twitter about Ferrari using the three latest fridays in order to calibrate the "new" wind tunnel in Manarello. Allegedly, since spanish GP they stopped using Toyota WT in Cologne and began using theirs, untill they discovered that the correlation between track and simulation were not accurate.

Apparently, they have solved the problem, and as of now, they will use Toyota's for this year car, and the calibrated Manarello one for 2014's car.

 

Have any of you heard anything about this?

 

Never heard about this, who "alleged" this? If that should turn out to be true I'd think it's time for new management after all. That would be such a monumentally stupid thing to do that I doubt it's true, though.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 23 August 2013 - 20:14.

[PoleMan]

Statements from the team aren't as dour as the mood in here (Maybe after LdM's blast, they dare not say anything remotely critical!). They don't appear worried, at all, and Massa putting his F138 4th (albeit .8 down) on the timesheets, was better than every other team, save Lotus. Trying to keep it "sunny side up," folks!

 

Ferrari:
Felipe Massa: "Today, the changeable weather had a big effect on the way free practice was run, with minimal running in the first session. But if we want to look at things in terms of a glass half full, then at least the few laps we managed in the morning were important, to give us an idea of the behaviour of the car in the wet, which is always useful here in Spa. In the afternoon, in the dry, we managed to get through our programme, testing some new parts and both types of Pirelli tyre. The outcome of the race simulation tells us that we have what we need to be on the pace and we will definitely do all we can to fight with the leaders of the classification".

 

Fernando Alonso: "This was a good day, even if in the morning we, and in fact everyone, lost time because of the rain and so in the afternoon we found ourselves facing double the workload. Before drawing any conclusions, we need to wait for the analysis of the data acquired this afternoon from both cars. Felipe and I tried different aero configurations, with more and less downforce, which will be the real key to this race, along with the weather.

"In terms of today's times, we have got closer to the favourites, but I'm not sure which weather forecast I would prefer. It's true that in the rain, the cards on the table can be shuffled up, but in the wet there are as many chances to benefit as there are to lose. It will be important to have a good understanding of how the tyres are behaving in the dry, as well as finding out what happened to the Caterham, to Vettel and also to me on my in-lap. I don't think it's a similar problem to what we saw in Silverstone, maybe more of a random set of circumstances, but all the same, it needs careful analysis".

[POLLATRON]

Never heard about this, who "alleged" this? If that should turn out to be true I'd think it's time for new management after all. That would be such a monumentally stupid thing to do that I doubt it's true, though.

That is why de la Rosa tested in Magny Cours with 2011 car. To gain data and calbrate the WT. Aparently, it was said in an interview with Marmorini on some italian paper....

I only red it on twitter.

Edited by POLLATRON, 23 August 2013 - 21:15.

[Frankbullitt]

Was there a new nosecone on the car? It looks slimmer.

 

Is there a comparison between the different configs they ran as well? I saw they brought a FW with the "r" winglets on them, not sure if they ran them.

[Iridescent]

@PoleMan It is definitely not as bad as many here picture it to be. But we have catch up to do.

[vista]

If it wasn't for Red Bull we would have a shot at the win. However, Mercedes can surprise and Rosbergs long runs were the only ones close to Vettels at some point. Massa did a short long run and as for as I can tell Alonso didn't do a long run at all..

[Seanspeed]

If it wasn't for Red Bull we would have a shot at the win. However, Mercedes can surprise and Rosbergs long runs were the only ones close to Vettels at some point. Massa did a short long run and as for as I can tell Alonso didn't do a long run at all..

Nah.  Rosberg's long run looked to be about .5 to a second slower than what Vettel was doing.  Rosberg's times only dropped to the 1:55's after he pitted for fresh tires(without refuelling).  They don't seem to have the race pace.

 

I think Red Bull and Lotus will be main race rivals.  Thankfully, this is one place where our poor traction shouldn't hurt overtaking ability that much.

[Borko]

Maybe they are sandbagging a little bit? Alonso does a purple sector and than pits. But others are probably doing it as well

[kosmos]

Positive FP3, Fernando had very few fuel if we take Gene's hints as true.

 

Fernando is happy with the car, no set-up change needed.

Edited by kosmos, 24 August 2013 - 09:59.

[Borko]

How is it positive if he had very little fuel?

[ConsiderAndGo]

How is it positive if he had very little fuel?

Exactly! Nethertheless, it looks a little better than has done in previous grand prix.

No doubt this is down to the track characteristics than actually having made a sizeable gain. Might as well enjoy the rest of the season as I have no hope of any more wins.

[PoleMan]

@PoleMan It is definitely not as bad as many here picture it to be. But we have catch up to do.

Thanks Iridescent! 

 

I'm sure many teams are set up for a wet race or with a "compromise setup," (Ferrari too??) but 2nd and 5th ain't bad,with only a tenth off the leader. The Scuderia definitely appear to have used their month off wisely. Now, let's have both drivers put the F138 on the first or 2nd rows!   

Edited by PoleMan, 24 August 2013 - 10:12.

[Trust]

Alonso favourite for the race. Good Job Ferrari.

[Borko]

If it's going to be dry I will be happy if Ferrari is within +0.3s of pole. It would mean they have improved the car, everything better than that is great.

Edited by BorkoF2012, 24 August 2013 - 10:16.

[Flamini]

Alonso favourite for the race. Good Job Ferrari.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Huh?!

 

Ferrari will be no higher than 5th come qualy (if it's dry). We all know they'll be beaten by both RB's and Merc's!

[Borko]

 Might as well enjoy the rest of the season as I have no hope of any more wins.

I do. But for Monza only.

[kosmos]

How is it positive if he had very little fuel?

 

That's because you look only at the time , drivers are happy with the balance and feel that they have made an step forward, that's positive to me. Nobady expect them to qualify in the 2 first rows.

Edited by kosmos, 24 August 2013 - 10:22.

[Mackey]

Huh?!

 

Ferrari will be no higher than 5th come qualy (if it's dry). We all know they'll be beaten by both RB's and Merc's!

 

And probably Lotus, and maybe one TR...

Gene hinted Alonso was very low on fuel and the setup and the lap where almost perfect, so not a whole lot room of improvement expected.

[Borko]

That's because you look only at the time , drivers are happy with the balance and feel that they have made an step forward, that's positive to me. Nobady expect them to qualify in the 2 first rows.

Yes but if they get their usual 6th and 8th positions there is no real improvement.

[kosmos]

Yes but if they get their usual 6th and 8th positions there is no real improvement.

 

If they qualfy 1 sec from pole, I agree is a disaster, but if the time difference is something low like 0.100, that's good no matter the position.

[ConsiderAndGo]

If they qualfy 1 sec from pole, I agree is a disaster, but if the time difference is something low like 0.100, that's good no matter the position.

 #TrackCharacteristics

[kosmos]

 #TrackCharacteristics

 

or #arealstepforward

[Ferrari2183]

Missed FP3... Are they running the lower downforce wings?

[ConsiderAndGo]

Missed FP3... Are they running the lower downforce wings?

Yes, low downforce. They maintained a healthy middle sector time though.

[SophieB]

Coming up to the 4000 post mark, closing to make way for new thread here:

 

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