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Posted 08 August 2013 - 08:50
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"... we introduced it at the Thursday morning free practice at Monaco 1969... and it got banned."
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And, of course, the M7s first appeared with high front wings in practice for the Race of ChampionsThe M7C made its race debut in the International Trophy.
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 13:14
The 'traditional papaya' was first used on 1969's M7C? What colour were the previous M6, M7 and M8 - were they a subtly different shade?
Posted 08 August 2013 - 13:21
Plus Tony, there's an inference in the use of the word "Guillotine" that is nothing to do with why they were banned. They just collapsed.**As an aside, this was surely the most important aspect of the mid-Monaco rule change - not so much the height of the wings but that they could no longer be unsprung.
Posted 08 August 2013 - 13:36
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 13:42
re. the colour... in my mind the M6 (and possibly the M7A) wore a deeper, slightly more reddish-brown shade (I don't mean the 'red' of the M1s) but I don't think I actually saw a McLaren for real until '69.
The subsequent colour seemed much more 'orange' to me and somewhat like the Gulf corporate colour - given the connection I never knew if that was intentional.
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I very much suspect that I might be "the journalist" suspected of having coined the term 'papaya' for the Gulf-McLaren colour. Not guilty in fact. It was a direct quote from Teddy Mayer, and his use of 'papaya' in describing the shade he and Bruce selected was published in an interview I conducted with him - as far as I can recall - for 'Autosport'.
DCN
Posted 09 August 2013 - 05:18
I'm sure the factory used "paprika" in the early days - presumably the orange paprika. The name seemed to morph into papaya over the years...I very much suspect that I might be "the journalist" suspected of having coined the term 'papaya' for the Gulf-McLaren colour. Not guilty in fact. It was a direct quote from Teddy Mayer, and his use of 'papaya' in describing the shade he and Bruce selected was published in an interview I conducted with him - as far as I can recall - for 'Autosport'.
DCN
Posted 09 August 2013 - 08:13
I know Mayer was from the USA, but wouldn't the New Zealanders call 'em pawpaws?I'm sure the factory used "paprika" in the early days - presumably the orange paprika. The name seemed to morph into papaya over the years...
Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:13
I very much suspect that I might be "the journalist" suspected of having coined the term 'papaya' for the Gulf-McLaren colour. Not guilty in fact. It was a direct quote from Teddy Mayer, and his use of 'papaya' in describing the shade he and Bruce selected was published in an interview I conducted with him - as far as I can recall - for 'Autosport'.
DCN
Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:24
... the proper name is Traffic Yellow ...
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:43
Yes, I think we would. But it wasn't necessarily NZ team members who coined the term...I know Mayer was from the USA, but wouldn't the New Zealanders call 'em pawpaws?
Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:47
I did not know that. So this colour?
http://ralcolor.net/...ffic-yellow.php
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:12
My aging memories tell me that's ever so slightly lighter, but that may depend on the screen it's viewed on. It is more or less the original colour I remember, which was from the Llewellyn Ryland range, 'Traffic Yellow 11040'. I still have a half-used tin of the stuff somewhere, and as Nigel Beresford has a can of genuine original 'McLaren Orange' paint, if you give the two of us enough time and a DFV, we could probably knock up an M7 between the pair of us.
Posted 09 August 2013 - 15:45
Ryland's Traffic yellow. However this was in the gelcoat not painted on most of the car. Also the shade of yellow/papaya/orange changed a little over a few years.
Was it a different shade of yellow? I have had 1972 and 1973 team Indy cars and not sure what the colour code is meant to be.
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Posted 10 August 2013 - 23:57
A name coincidence Allen. RAL 1023 is a "proper" yellow - this code of paint was used for Joest NewMan Porsche 956 if you recall?I did not know that. So this colour?
http://ralcolor.net/...ffic-yellow.php
Posted 11 August 2013 - 09:31
A name coincidence Allen. RAL 1023 is a "proper" yellow...
Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:54
I doubt if anyone much under 60 either understands or cares, and neither apparently, does Ron.
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Posted 11 August 2013 - 16:37
Doug, as a historian, what's your opinion on this modern presentation?
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 10:03
I do care but then I´m on the right side of 60!!
Christer
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Tony, I'd say your question depends on "then & now" In period things like lead were part of the mix & paint technology was different too. Yellow as opposed to orange is a particularly difficult colour to get coverage or opacity with, so always over a white base, is the rule.I may be talking through my Bottom (not for the first time, some might say) but wouldn't the colour -at least on the metal bits - depend on the base colour it was being painted over? I remember a chap from Jim Stokes workshops (maybe Mr S himself) saying that the only way they could get the right shade of Equipe Francochamps yellow on the 'recreation' 156 sharknose was to spray it over the red the car would originally have been supplied in - spraying it over primer resulted in a shade that was just plain wrong. Mind you, not sure how that works with the impregnated colour in the fibreglass bits.
Posted 12 August 2013 - 13:41
As for the "orange" I know the chap at McLaren who was responsible for formulating the colour, initially to repaint the M8D, using today's paint technology but matched to their samples from the 70's. I'm not sure they had access to 60's stuff as per SM gel coats, but I know he went to extremes to get there & knowing a little of the way such things work in house, there was almost certainly meetings to discuss it with variations on a theme...
Posted 12 August 2013 - 13:59
1. You might think that Rob...Are his initials G L by any chance ?
someone decided...
I still think the decision to paint their historic cars the same colour as the current road vehicles, if that's really what they did, is rather sad.
Posted 12 August 2013 - 16:39
1. You might think that Rob...
2. Guess who?
3. The current road cars, of which I have sample, F1 LM of 96 ish & the F1 testing livery late 90's aren't, nor were intended to be same. I still remain fairly convinced from memory of being told the rebuilt cars were different slightly but intended to replicate the period paint & not the fibre glass colour
Posted 12 August 2013 - 16:48
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:32
Actually Rob, he was there at the end of the orange period
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:45
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:53
Ah, I see.
Not many other McLaren bits - a little more trimmed bodywork and a couple of originals of those lovely tall inlet trumpets (M8A and M8D), plus a couple of wheel nuts.
As a nice closing of the circle (for my family) the M7C was actually restored by Penske Cars. Personally I didn't have much involvement other than drawing a couple of bits for the front wing, but as you might imagine I found reasons to spend a lot of time in Car Build while it was going together.
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 19:27
Exactly & it is impossible to pass judgement on a screen photo, or any other for that matter.Colours change depending on the light.
Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:57