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#1 SophieB

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:48

This is a new thread to discuss technical updates and developments for the Lotus E21. Previous thread is here, closed as it was nearing the 4000 post limit:

http://forums.autosp...tus-e21-part-2/

Thank you, and good luck, Lotus.

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#2 Yoshi

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:49

Thanks Sophie :up:

 

I really hope the can solve the rear issue in a way.


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#3 kimister

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:49

Maldonado was ahead of him and  though he was on a slow lap, he didn't let kimi pass unfortunately. Kimi was angry to Williams on the radio.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:51

super soft time  :p



#5 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:54

Hopefully Kimi will have his problems sorted and will even get that supersoft run.

#6 Yoshi

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:54

Good lap from Romain compared to yesterdays time.



#7 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:57

Very good, Romain will be driving for top 5 in quali, about Kimi things arent looking too good.

#8 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:58

Kimi's supersoft run spoiled by traffic.

#9 Radion

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:59

Romain for pole! :up:



#10 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:01

Romain for pole! :up:


I'm afraid No chance to beat Vettel. Alonso came in front of Kimi for his second try to spoil that run as well....things looking horrible for Kimi.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:01

God damn it. I don't understand why Kimi is so slow. Getting real frustrating having all these problems. 



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:02

Singapore bogy circuit for him? It could be all down to traffic, but he doesn't look confident as Romain on SS.



#13 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:04

God damn it. I don't understand why Kimi is so slow. Getting real frustrating having all these problems.


Car problems, car is sliding everywhere...about the time it was spoiled by traffic, supersofts only last for one fast lap and than Kimi's second try was spoiled by Alonso who came out of the pit just in front of him.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:05

Wow, Grosjean did one stunning lap. He's fighting for pole as it looks right now. He's lap time was very impressive. Don't know how many things went wrong for Kimi this session, as this was really bad. While he isn't the best qualifier, so much behind Grosjean means something's very wrong with his setup or he just wasn't able to pull a perfect lap together.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:05

I'm afraid No chance to beat Vettel. Alonso came in front of Kimi for his second try to spoil that run as well....things looking horrible for Kimi.

Maybe true, but I heard the sky guys saying that romain actually improved his first sector time by 3 thents on his second run on SS. That's impressive!

How awesome'd it be to see romain on pole!


Edited by Radion, 21 September 2013 - 11:06.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:06

Singapore bogy circuit for him? It could be all down to traffic, but he doesn't look confident as Romain on SS.


It was about traffic...but Kimi has sucked with supersofts always, so I excpect him to struggle with them....hopefully will still qualify around 6th

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:07

Maybe true, but I heard the sky guys saying that romain actually improved his first sector time by 3 thents on his second run on SS. That's impressive!


No he didn't...he did 28,4 on first and 28,3 on second. Vettel's first run was slowed down by traffic in the middle sector so there is more pace on his car.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:09

GRO, "OK, I don't think the brake issue is gone...I think its same as yesterday" Re:"OK, we will investigate that"


What's with the Lotus brakes? It was already problem at spa all weekend with Kimi and now here with Romain.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:12

Lotus start to save money on Kimis salary   :yawnface: 1.44.3 against 1.46.1 thats good


Edited by Hayden1, 21 September 2013 - 11:14.


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#20 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:13

Lotus start to save money on Kimis salary :yawnface:


What salary? He hasn't gotten any ;)

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:14

but they have to pay it someday  :rotfl: , or ............



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:21

I think Lotus has already begun to 'payback' Kimi. I doubt he would be in Q3, while Gro will fight for pole. 2 seconds of the pace - no way, not a single chance. :mad:



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:24

I think Lotus has already begun to 'payback' Kimi. I doubt he would be in Q3, while Gro will fight for pole. 2 seconds of the pace - no way, not a single chance. :mad:

the difference is not true, Kimi lost his first supersoft run totally because of traffic...and his second was spoiled because Alonso came in front...Grosjean did 1,45,7 with his second supersoft run and Kimi 1,46,1 so the difference is not big at all.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:26

Encouraging pace from Lotus, but expected I'd say. They are probably faster than Mercedes on long-runs so the podium is possible.



#25 Artkab2013

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:30

the difference is not true, Kimi lost his first supersoft run totally because of traffic...and his second was spoiled because Alonso came in front...Grosjean did 1,45,7 with his second supersoft run and Kimi 1,46,1 so the difference is not big at all.

0,4s not a big difference? Besides when aborted his first FL he saved tyres anyway better then Gro.

2s off the pace on both compaundfs with a 'good' car. Cool. :up:



#26 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:47

0,4s not a big difference? Besides when aborted his first FL he saved tyres anyway better then Gro.

2s off the pace on both compaundfs with a 'good' car. Cool. :up:

 

0,4 is a big difference but not as big as 2 seconds...and like said Kimi had traffic in all of his best laps, Grosjean didn´t. supersofts only last at singapore one fast lap,the layout is so long and tough to the tyres.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:53

0,4 is a big difference but not as big as 2 seconds...and like said Kimi had traffic in all of his best laps, Grosjean didn´t. supersofts only last at singapore one fast lap,the layout is so long and tough to the tyres.

Yep, and on his one FL he was almost 2s off the pace.

And Gro also had traffic. Perhaps not on his first, but definetely on his second FL on SS.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:56

Yep, and on his one FL he was almost 2s off the pace.
And Gro also had traffic. Perhaps not on his first, but definetely on his second FL on SS.


What lap are you talking about? Like I said Kimi had traffic in all of his FL (both meiums and supersofts)
Yes Grosjean had traffic on his second supersoft run just like Kimi and the difference was 0,4...of course that isn't comparable either as we don't know how much traffic costed for them.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:07

What lap are you talking about? Like I said Kimi had traffic in all of his FL (both meiums and supersofts)
Yes Grosjean had traffic on his second supersoft run just like Kimi and the difference was 0,4...of course that isn't comparable either as we don't know how much traffic costed for them.

Jeez. Ok, I will put it as simple as I can. Kimi aborted his first FL on SS -> saved tyres better than Gro who did a proper first FL on SS. So he lost even to his second run and on TV they show Kimi's second (proper) FL on SS - no traffic after first sector. Kimi's car is a mess. I don't know what they did to slow him almost for 2 second overnight, but that's sad reality.

 

Also Lopes adds more fuel to fire:

http://www.welt.de/s...aeikkoenen.html

 

He is very upset with Kimi's speak about financial troubles.


Edited by Artkab2013, 21 September 2013 - 12:20.


#30 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:13

Jeez. Ok, I will put it as simply as I can. Kimi aborted his first FL on SS -> saved tyres better than Gro who did a pproper first FL on SS. So he lose even to his second run and on TV they show Kimi's second (proper) FL on SS - no traffic after first sector. Kimi's car is a mess. I don't know what they did to slow him almost for 2 second overnight, but that's sad reality.

Also Lopes adds more fuel to fire:
http://www.welt.de/s...aeikkoenen.html

He is very upset with Kimi's speak about financial troubles.


Yes but supersoft don't last at singapore even if you save them after abandoned lap because layout is so long! Kimi has traffic on his second attempt at least according to our commentators as Alonso came in front of him from the pits but could be that they meant his first try..anyway Kimi could have had more fuel as well, I will get more answers to his problems soon.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:18

Jeez. Ok, I will put it as simply as I can. Kimi aborted his first FL on SS -> saved tyres better than Gro who did a pproper first FL on SS. So he lose even to his second run and on TV they show Kimi's second (proper) FL on SS - no traffic after first sector. Kimi's car is a mess. I don't know what they did to slow him almost for 2 second overnight, but that's sad reality.

 

Also Lopes adds more fuel to fire:

http://www.welt.de/s...aeikkoenen.html

 

He is very upset with Kimi's speak about financial troubles.

 

SS are pretty good only for one lap here.

They didn't do anything to slow him down for god's sake.

 

And I don't find Lopez comments that odd. He simply can't understand a reason why Kimi would say it so casually. Such thing won't help the team, especially if the situation was similar last year, yet Raikkonen got the cash didn't he? 

Kimi shouldn't talk about the cash flow problem so openly.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:18

Look like they already making Gro the new no.1, don't have to wait until next year. :p

Besides Lopez, Boullier also said in one interview that they want to bounce back & make Kimi regret leaving the team next year. :well:



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:21

According to Mika Salo, Kimi has huge back problems...he has so much pain that the driving was almost impossible during the morning, there is also some problems with the car....so not looking good at all.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:25

SS are pretty good only for one lap here.

They didn't do anything to slow him down for god's sake.

 

And I don't find Lopez comments that odd. He simply can't understand a reason why Kimi would say it so casually. Such thing won't help the team, especially if the situation was similar last year, yet Raikkonen got the cash didn't he? 

Kimi shouldn't talk about the cash flow problem so openly.

So Kimi is just suddenly slower for 2s, ok. :up:

 

Well, I hope Lopez understand why they lost top stuff and other 20 guys are in line to quit Lotus. That's doesn't odd for him. Great!



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:25

According to Mika Salo, Kimi has huge back problems...he has so much pain that the driving was almost impossible during the morning, there is also some problems with the car....so not looking good at all.

 

F**k, back problems is not sounding good



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:29

F**k, back problems is not sounding good


Indeed not good and everyone who has had back problems knows that it pretty much controls everything so focusing on doing something else is difficult and painfull.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:34

According to Mika Salo, Kimi has huge back problems...he has so much pain that the driving was almost impossible during the morning, there is also some problems with the car....so not looking good at all.

Sh*t. Another weekend to forget. They should put Valsecchi, because it's the toughest race in the calendar.

 

I hope he could get proper treatment and be 100% fit for next races. Not a good sign at all.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:37

Sh*t. Another weekend to forget. They should put Valsecchi, because it's the toughest race in the calendar.

I hope he could get proper treatment and be 100% fit for next races. Not a good sign at all.


They would maybe do it but Kimi will surely not leave without driving, he never gives up...like monza 2007 with huge neck pain or brazil 2009 with fire on his eyes.

I'm sure Kimi gets prober treatment from Lotus, the team wants best rsults they can and they need it from both drivers.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:42

They would maybe do it but Kimi will surely not leave without driving, he never gives up...like monza 2007 with huge neck pain or brazil 2009 with fire on his eyes.

I'm sure Kimi gets prober treatment from Lotus, the team wants best rsults they can and they need it from both drivers.

If his back are really that bad - he shouldn't drive. He has nothing to lose, he is out of WCD, already got a contract with Ferrari and team won't slip to 5th WCC anyway.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:44

If his back are really that bad - he shouldn't drive. He has nothing to lose, he is out of WCD, already got a contract with Ferrari and team won't slip to 5th WCC anyway.


Title is still possible (hardly likely) and it's in Kimi's nature to not give up no matter what. I still think he can do well.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:01

It has been a while since Kimi has had back issues. Kimi didn't look to bad yesterday, I knew something was looking out of place.

 

It seems like Grosjean goes well on this circuit.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:05

If he feels really bad, I think he shouldn't race this weekend  :cry:


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#43 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:13

well the pace is horrible so far, Kimi will maybe have to use supersofts if he can´t improve.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:14

well the pace is horrible so far, Kimi will maybe have to use supersofts if he can´t improve.

 

Everyone bar the Red Bulls will use the SS.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:17

Great Kimi with supersofts, Romain with new mediums.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:18

Great Kimi with supersofts, Romain with new mediums.

Was this ironic? What did they do the car since yesterday? He had lost so much pace.


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#47 Vesuvius

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:18

oh my god, Kimi is so slow today.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:19

Lotus stupid to risk with Romain, he could even drop out.


Edited by Vesuvius, 21 September 2013 - 13:20.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:20

So Kimi is just suddenly slower for 2s, ok. :up:

 

Well, I hope Lopez understand why they lost top stuff and other 20 guys are in line to quit Lotus. That's doesn't odd for him. Great!

 

He isn't slower 2s.

 

I believe that maybe the back is really painful.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 13:22

well that was underwhelming...