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[Mascalzone]

THE WEEKEND FORMAT IS FINE.

 

Hey you! Speaking of the new qualifying format looks not at all.

[Redback]

Totally different.

 

It's one thing to be able to have an out lap and only start your hot lap with 0.01 on the clock and allowing everyone to finish any lap they start. It's another to eliminate the guy who is 0.01 seconds away from finishing his hot lap. They've essentially reduced the period to set a lap by 90 seconds (or more on some tracks).

Don't feed the trolls Jim.

 

You're arguing with someone who only joined this month.

 

The illogical and contrarian nature of his posts indicate he won't be here long...  :-)

[myusername]

i dont know what to expect from f1 rule maker hehe

[ckolcz]

Hey you! Speaking of the new qualifying format looks not at all.

Oh well, you got me. I meant it was, before some idiots started playing with it

Edited by juliuscaesar, 19 March 2016 - 11:40.

[OSX]

Utterly effed up.

[Kucki]

Although it still is my favourite format, this explanation is a bit too 'romantic'. The qualy car and the racing car were a bit different. Engine, brakes, and other things. Jean Todt at that time was talking about designing a qualy only chassis. That was the time when FIA decided things got out of hand and changed the format. Why they just didn't leave it with parc fermes rules is anyone's guess though.

Anyhow that format was criticized because sometimes it took more than half an hour for a car to appear. And would todays regulations be the same as back then, drivers would even wait longer to go out.

If the issue is to build up excitement, team and drivers must be forced to do more laps in qualifying else they would get some penalty and more tires must be allocated.

More then half an hour for cars to get out? You are totally exaggerating, unless the weather was drying up. It took about 10 minutes for the first car to go out in most cases.

Having all cars out all the time is too hectic as you dont have time to watch whole laps of the cars, will just see there last few seconds of there lap.

Looking around I'm glad I'm not the only one missing the classic Qualy format of 60 minutes 12 laps. Before they decided to needlessly complicate everything, and if it doesnt work keep complicating things and screw endlessly with it.

Also, having a car specifically trimmed for hotlapping / Qualy is not a bad thing. You can have cars that become very fast for a single lap, while others have race pace as there strength, its another aspect of mixing up the field. How often did Montoya back in the day put his car on pole against cars who were much faster in race trim. Gives a little uncertsinty and grid mix.

[Disgrace]

Can't wait to see how they gonna improve race format 

 

We already have in the form of standing restarts and double points. This is why we knew their qualifying proposal was DOA.

[chessycat]

Bye, bye F1 

 

(A hug, forumers)

[P123]

Also, having a car specifically trimmed for hotlapping / Qualy is not a bad thing. You can have cars that become very fast for a single lap, while others have race pace as there strength, its another aspect of mixing up the field. How often did Montoya back in the day put his car on pole against cars who were much faster in race trim. Gives a little uncertsinty and grid mix.

Those were the tyre war days though. Back in '02 the Williams chassis and JPM were a great combo for nailing a pole lap. However that strength for one lap pace also meant that they ate the tyres in the race. You won't see that variation with a sole tyre supplier. The closest was 2013 when the Merc would fly in quali but go backwards in the race.

Prepare for more complicated and convoluted solutions from the clowns that gave us the 2016 qualifying format. They don't have the bravery or intelligence to revert back.

[JHSingo]

I decided to have a lie in this Saturday morning, and it seems like I made the correct decision.

 

From what I've heard and read, it sounded terrible. But that's not surprise, given this was yet another idea that hasn't been properly thought through.

 

What a joke of a sport F1 has become.

[P123]

I decided to have a lie in this Saturday morning, and it seems like I made the correct decision.
 
From what I've heard and read, it sounded terrible. But that's not surprise, given this was yet another idea that hasn't been properly thought through.
 
What a joke of a sport F1 has become.

Yep- hot topic seems to be all about how terrible qualifying is. I swear the yare trying to bury it so Ecclestone can prize it back out of CVC's hands on the cheap. Nothing else explains the decision making. Surely all of them can't be that incompetent? Or maybe that gives them too much credit...

[w1Y]

Broken something which wasn't broken

Edited by w1Y, 19 March 2016 - 11:52.

[johnmhinds]

Yep- hot topic seems to be all about how terrible qualifying is. I swear the yare trying to bury it so Ecclestone can prize it back out of CVC's hands on the cheap. Nothing else explains the decision making. Surely all of them can't be that incompetent? Or maybe that gives them too much credit...

 

There has to be something going on that we're not being told about.

 

His first instinct seems to have been to do a phone interview with Autosport to say the sport is crap, again.

[Umpire]

I don't think there has ever been such a lopsided poll in this forum. I think even if the poll question was something along the lines of "would you have sex with {insert female hottie name}", you'd find more people to say no!

[sabjit]

But Ecclestone said: "If we go back, Mercedes would be first and second."

 

 

 

From http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/35850766

 

   

 

But seriously, I think Bernie needs to take responsibility for this and resign.

[w1Y]

Nikki on sky said that Bernie wanted swapping the tip ten with bottom ten and that they said no so Charlie came up with this.but all said it was for the race promoters who wanted change

[ren]

I think any format where all action and excitement ends with 5 minutes still to go is undoubtedly a complete failure.

[Rinehart]

Urgh. As I expected. Shame the Australian fans who paid through the nose to see this crap got dragged into his stupid, obvious game, eh.




Why don't you just sit down Sunday morning and arbitrarily decide where Hamilton starts the race and save us all a Saturday, Bernie.

Exactly. And I don't remember Bernie being in a rush to stop Vettel being on pole for 4 years. But he drove for Red Bull so that was ok.

Does Bernie not understand that IF he allows any rule to be introduced that will artificially cause the grid to be messed up (time penalties or whatever) there will be an even bigger outcry than the one we've just had after a botched quality format.

Headless chicken, he is.

[johnmhinds]

Nikki on sky said that Bernie wanted swapping the tip ten with bottom ten and that they said no so Charlie came up with this.but all said it was for the race promoters who wanted change

 

I'm sure all the race promoters have already called Bernie and told them they don't want this. They'll sell a lot less tickets for Saturday if they let this qualifying format carry on much longer.

[quaint]

Classic format, enhanced for the impatient:

1 hour
12 laps
4 set of tyres, with a set given back every 15 minutes
Qualifying tyres not used in race - no use not to run

(If you must, you can eliminate slowest drivers at some point)

Edited by quaint, 19 March 2016 - 12:14.

[BuddyHolly]

It was an utter shambles and the teams should be fined for bringing the sport into disrepute for approving such a joke of an idea.

 

Been watching F1 for 4 decades and I don't recall quallifying ever being so confusing, boring and anti-climactic. 

[Rinehart]

1hour, 12 laps per driver. Fastest driver on pole.

And give them all 4 sets of the softest compound, take half of them away after 30 mins.

[Khars]

They need to have extra tyres for Q, and it should be allowed to comlete the started lap.

It is a shame to abadon any trials, because it does not worth.

 

Or can we get back the previous Q version?

[sabjit]

Classic format, enhanced for the impatient:

1 hour
12 laps
4 set of tyres, with a set given back every 15 minutes
Qualifying tyres not used in race - no use not to run

(If you must, you can eliminate slowest drivers at some point)

 

NO!!!!!! TERRIBLE IDEA!!! Way too much traffic at the climax.

 

Stop suggesting 60 minute qualifying guys. Its a stupid idea, lets just go back to the old system.

[LeClerc]

[Stephane]

NO!!!!!! TERRIBLE IDEA!!! Way too much traffic at the climax.
 
Stop suggesting 60 minute qualifying guys. Its a stupid idea, lets just go back to the old system.

But THIS is the old system

[Lone]

Bye, bye F1 
 
(A hug, forumers)

See you tomorrrow!

[sabjit]

But THIS is the old system

 

???

 

No it isnt.

[Risil]

Why are F1's participants and stakeholders competing to see who can slag off their sport the most?

How is any of this supposed to make me want to get up at 5am and watch the race tomorrow?

[FredF1]

No 'lol' option?

 

 

That's why I voted "I like it" - anything that makes F1 look like the shower of clueless buffoons that they are is okay in my book.

 

I'd nearly pop out to the bookies and place a bet on a different qualifying system for Bahrain because going back to what worked last year won't be an option as it's too much like common sense - something thankfully lacking in F1.

[Ali_G]

???

No it isnt.

It was an older system.

[superden]

So Bernie, as in the days of Ferrari and Schumacher dominance, wants to change the rules to stop Mercedes being so dominant.

Qualifying is not the problem.

Firstly, despite this change, Mercedes are still 1-2 by a clear margin at the end of the first session of the year. Secondly, they are continuing to try and cure the symptom whilst ignoring the disease. It's the same as the overtaking issue, instead of dealing with the problem of aero dependency, they gave us DRS as a 'solution', thereby creating a second tier problem.

Mercedes dominance in both qualifying and the race, is a bi-product of these ridiculous regulations. If you want to end Mercedes dominance, stop making rules that ensure it is impossible for other teams to develop their chassis and ridiculously complex engines. If you must 'fix' anything, give teams the chance to earn a pole on merit, rather than gifting them something they didn't earn by way of this contrived, unsporting nonsense.

Edited by superden, 19 March 2016 - 12:59.

[Tsarwash]

In principle the format works. Just not for the current set of F1 rules, with tyres that only give one really decent lap, and a very limited set of tyres available to the teams. Anybody within the sport should have known this. I think some of the Team Principles might have allowed this to slip through as a political move, to help destabilize Bernie's position a little. The entire hierarchy needs a good kick up the arse, Todt and Whiting need to go, Bernie neds his wings clipped a LOT. 

 

Nobody will agree with me here, but I think they should bring back Max as a behind-the-scenes enforcer. He always was good at predicting what the consequences of rules changes and tech developments would be. 

[CountDooku]

Nobody will agree with me here, but I think they should bring back Max as a behind-the-scenes enforcer. He always was good at predicting what the consequences of rules changes and tech developments would be.

Just NO!!!!!

This is like saying bring back Stalin cos Putin is a bit ****.

[Imperial]

I'm actually happy that it was as sh!t as it was, as perhaps someone now will wrestle control from the combined mess of the FIA and FOM.

[sabjit]

It was an older system.

 

Even when I was clearly referring to the system that has been used since 2010? (post-refuelling)

 

Not really much need to be pedantic, I'm aware 60 minute qualifying used to be a thing, but it didnt work as well as the 2010-15 system. And well done for making it even more awkward to refer to because of your silly pedantry.

[Garndell]

Having Eliminations in Q3 really sucked, also just 8 cars sucked too.  They should remove the Eliminations from Q3 at the very least (really it should go completely) and have 6 cars gone from Q1 &2 respectively so that 10 cars remain in Q3.  Also in commentary it was mentioned about tyres... If the tyres used in qualifying could last multiple laps without a performance drop off perhaps more action would present itself.  Typical of modern F1 to try and fix something that wasn't broken and breaking it.

 

In short this format sucks even worse because of Pirelli Cheese Tyres.

[saudoso]

DVRed it, since the race was 3am here. Glad I did it.

 

If it ain't broken don't fix it, right?

[Disgrace]

I'm actually happy that it was as sh!t as it was, as perhaps someone now will wrestle control from the combined mess of the FIA and FOM.

 

And give control to the teams that greenlighted double points, standing restarts and this elimination qualifying system?

[Paco]

Just another system that hurts the small teams... 1 run and need to nail. What bs.

[Exb]

We're going to end up with Bernie's reverse grid system now aren't we

 

I hated the quali, (and although there is a possibility it won't be as bad in future as teams get to grips with it and stop missing the chance to go for a 2nd run) I don't see how it can be better than last years as there will always be less cars able to run, however it is nowhere near as bad as the stupid reverse grid or time penalty option and I really fear that is now going to get forced in. 

[topical]

The level of stupidity among F1's top tier really is beyond belief. So Bernie actually thought this system would shake up the grid and make races unpredictable?

I'm kind of glad it was such a disaster as the sport might finally wake up and realise where the real problem lies.

[George Costanza]

Wow. That was terrible.

[Imperial]

And give control to the teams that greenlighted double points, standing restarts and this elimination qualifying system?

Aaah well I never said I hope the TEAMS wrestle control...

[Crazy Canuck]

"It was like digging in the toilet"  Quote of the year by Lauda lol

 

CC

[George Costanza]

NO!!!!!! TERRIBLE IDEA!!! Way too much traffic at the climax.

Stop suggesting 60 minute qualifying guys. Its a stupid idea, lets just go back to the old system.

maybe you forget the duels we had with that system.

[mgs315]

Glad I taped that didn't stay up for that.

Edited by mgs315, 19 March 2016 - 12:59.

[Timantti]

Quali will very likely be reverted back to normal come next race so I can't be bothered to get too worked up over this. 

 

The thing with this was though that it never even sounded good in paper. We've had a lot of changes that had an idea but just didn't work as intended in reality (like 2009 aero revamp). But this... this was truly something else.

Edited by Timantti, 19 March 2016 - 13:04.

[Tsarwash]

Just NO!!!!!

This is like saying bring back Stalin cos Putin is a bit ****.

I'm not saying give Stalin back his old job, I'm saying give him charge of a few Battalions and make sure he follows orders. He was good at banging Team Principles' heads together and getting them to agree on something.

[kvyatfan]

Exactly. And I don't remember Bernie being in a rush to stop Vettel being on pole for 4 years. But he drove for Red Bull so that was ok.

Does Bernie not understand that IF he allows any rule to be introduced that will artificially cause the grid to be messed up (time penalties or whatever) there will be an even bigger outcry than the one we've just had after a botched quality format.

Headless chicken, he is.

 

Either there'd be major sandbagging to try to get 10th or they'd have to give points for the qualifying/sprint. Could make for an interesting race, but could also be more gamifying silliness which takes away more from the straight racing F1 used to be.

 

The current attempt is a reverse handicap. If you're slow you get less attempts, and if you're fast you get to race yourself and showboat a little. Hamilton really ate it up, 'You just have to outdo your last time.'