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[KnucklesAgain]

Hamm, on 02 Mar 2017 - 07:03, said:

google

http://www.antena3.c...7030100558.html

 

They are "finishing careers" all right ;)
 

[KnucklesAgain]

BuzzingHornet, on 02 Mar 2017 - 02:18, said:

A test mule is just a rolling dyno basically

 

How so? On a dyno the power produced by the engine is not transferred to the rig. In a mule, the PU actually *is* the car's engine. So you are putting 1000 HP on a car's chassis which was not in any way built for it and cannot generate anywhere close to real loads. Alternatively, in the van example, you may don't actually replace the car's engine, but just ferry the PU around on a separate dyno on the van's back. In which case: why?

 

Edit: In the testing thread, Whiz posted this AMuS article about Stroll's testing: http://forums.autosp...ch-2/?p=7848535, saying that he used a 2014 Williams equipped with Mercs first PU, so not a new one. So I guess we can conclude that fitting a new one to help Merc test was not allowed

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 02 March 2017 - 08:21.

[Ferrari2012]

Some Member here are likes engineer talking like they know something.Most of my post say the true.When i say that they must detuned the engine bouiller confirm it.When i say that the engine is not reliable ,the test is a proof ,when they need tho send the engine directly to Japan for analysis because they are not capable to examine all of it in Barcelona, that proof also some amateurism.Can we assume that this engine is NOT Good , every fan of Honda need to open their eyes because you will be shock in Australia when mclaren will  just in front of Sauber maybe or in the last row.Sure they can upgrade the engine so can Mercedes,Ferrari , Renault .If you are behind all the other and your base is not good you will still be behind and it will be worst.Optimising the data should have done here but they have problem with reability here wich is not acceptable after 3 years

[ERICTOPF1]

Three years of development engine sound:

 

 

https://twitter.com/...9121152/video/1

 

 

Are there anywhere around the world any positive news, opinion, or info regarding the Honda PU?

Edited by ERICTOPF1, 02 March 2017 - 08:20.

[frewin90]

f1rules, on 28 Feb 2017 - 13:33, said:

time to bring in this guy, cant get any worse

http://www.autosport...ing-with-illien

You say 'cant get any worse' as if hes just worth a try, but i reckon he deseeves a bit more respect! Hes a bit of a quiet legend i think... Powered McLaren badged as Merc in 90's plus a lot more motorsport success

Him and his Ilmor F1 division, bought out and renamed by MercHPP, is where the present, and mid 90s McMerc, all started!

[KnucklesAgain]

Ferrari2012, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:15, said:

Some Member here are likes engineer talking like they know something.Most of my post say the true.When i say that they must detuned the engine bouiller confirm it.When i say that the engine is not reliable ,the test is a proof ,when they need tho send the engine directly to Japan for analysis because they are not capable to examine all of it in Barcelona, that proof also some amateurism.Can we assume that this engine is NOT Good , every fan of Honda need to open their eyes because you will be shock in Australia when mclaren will  just in front of Sauber maybe or in the last row.Sure they can upgrade the engine so can Mercedes,Ferrari , Renault .If you are behind all the other and your base is not good you will still be behind and it will be worst.Optimising the data should have done here but they have problem with reability here wich is not acceptable after 3 years

 

We know that it is detuned right now. This does not mean that it cannot be fixed. We know that they shipped it back for analysis. This is not proof of amateurism. We know that the PU in current configuration has issues. This does not mean we can assume that it is not good, or will not be good a week from now.

 

The problem is not with the basic facts, but with your illogical leaps

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 02 March 2017 - 08:24.

[Gary Davies]

Ferrari2012, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:15, said:

Some Member here are likes engineer talking like they know something.Most of my post say the true.When i say that they must detuned the engine bouiller confirm it.When i say that the engine is not reliable ,the test is a proof ,when they need tho send the engine directly to Japan for analysis because they are not capable to examine all of it in Barcelona, that proof also some amateurism.Can we assume that this engine is NOT Good , every fan of Honda need to open their eyes because you will be shock in Australia when mclaren will  just in front of Sauber maybe or in the last row.Sure they can upgrade the engine so can Mercedes,Ferrari , Renault .If you are behind all the other and your base is not good you will still be behind and it will be worst.Optimising the data should have done here but they have problem with reability here wich is not acceptable after 3 years

Yes, Ferrari2012. You are a very clever person.     

[RedBaron]

ERICTOPF1, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:18, said:

Are there anywhere around the world any positive news, opinion, or info regarding the Honda PU?

 

[McLobby]

ERICTOPF1, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:18, said:

Three years of development engine sound:

 

 

https://twitter.com/...9121152/video/1

 

 

Are there anywhere around the world any positive news, opinion, or info regarding the Honda PU?

 

Sounds almost similar to my 2stroke CR 250.... a hell of a bike

[Quickshifter]

Rain mapping is different where Honda try to cut the power delivered to the wheels by cylinder cutting. I don't understand the fuss about engine sound at crawling speeds. These engines are mapped for performance and not pit lane speeds.

[Nicktendo86]

So it certainly sounds like the issue after sorting the oil tank is that due to the ICE becoming much more efficient the ERS suffers due to a lack of exhaust gasses/heat. Honda are effectively now trying to solve the issues the other manufactures had when developing their own jet injection, pre chamber ignition, whatever you want to call it. A real shame, but hopefully it leads to a better performing engine down the road. Kinda funny how many of us on here were defending Honda for going down their own route back in 2015, saying they couldn't beat Merc by copying them but have now come to the conclusion that they have to basically copy the 2016 Merc. Oh well.

[Borko]

In before somebody says: "Omg McLaren is the slowest in wet conditions which means that chassis sucks as well we are doomed the season is over".

[ERICTOPF1]

Quickshifter, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:36, said:

Rain mapping is different where Honda try to cut the power delivered to the wheels by cylinder cutting. I don't understand the fuss about engine sound at crawling speeds. These engines are mapped for performance and not pit lane speeds.

 

Do you hear any other engine doing it?

[f1rules]

frewin90, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:20, said:

You say 'cant get any worse' as if hes just worth a try, but i reckon he deseeves a bit more respect! Hes a bit of a quiet legend i think... Powered McLaren badged as Merc in 90's plus a lot more motorsport success

Him and his Ilmor F1 division, bought out and renamed by MercHPP, is where the present, and mid 90s McMerc, all started!

 

yeah youre right, he is a legend, but had some hard years also the last time around with merc, but definitly mclaren should contract him, like rb did

[Dennista]

BorkoF2012, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:40, said:

In before somebody says: "Omg McLaren is the slowest in wet conditions which means that chassis sucks as well we are doomed the season is over".

 

Well it doesn't bode well being at the bottom or near the bottom of the timesheets every day. The car is a dog.

[HP]

RedBaron, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:28, said:

Straight ahead on top of the hill, that's the way to go

[Borko]

Dennista, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:44, said:

Well it doesn't bode well being at the bottom or near the bottom of the timesheets every day. The car is a dog.

And since when are the times set on testing days are relevant? Red Bull was ninth fastest last winter after BOTH tests.

[Quickshifter]

ERICTOPF1, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:40, said:

Do you hear any other engine doing it?

 

Honda use aggressive cylinder cutting. That is the engine's characteristic.

[Sebastien007]

No pannic, Mclaren is the only team who didn't run in the wet last year, + Stoffel is just new in the F1, I don't know if he already drove in the wet and it is no time to crash the car.

[keshav]

Lot of laps.

[Quickshifter]

[Quickshifter]

18 laps within an hour

[Dennista]

BorkoF2012, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:47, said:

And since when are the times set on testing days are relevant? Red Bull was ninth fastest last winter after BOTH tests.

 

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out we are behind Mercedes,Ferrari, Red Bull and Williams.

 

Not sure about you but I consider anything outside of the podium abject failure. I don't have a fetish for incremental gains. Either be on the pace or go home.

[ERICTOPF1]

Quickshifter, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:50, said:

Honda use aggressive cylinder cutting. That is the engine's characteristic.

 

Among other things, unfortunately

[hasika]

again sorry for my poor english

 

http://www.as-web.jp/f1/95309/2

 

yesterday after the press conference，japanese journalist kunio shibata asked hasegawa san about why they still had some problems in the third year.

hasegawa said“of course，itwould be perfect if without any problems.But we had a aggressive development during the whole winter，so we had considered if there will be some problem before”

when asked about how the 2017 honda pu changed

“I'm thinking about how much I can reveal，but i think the biggest change is the the gravity of turbo，its lower with new layout”

when asked about how much it had been lower，if its several centimeter”

he said“yes”

[TakataDomeNSX]

Ferrari2012, on 02 Mar 2017 - 03:02, said:

We have i am sure a hell of a car

Ferrari2012, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:15, said:

Some Member here are likes engineer talking like they know something.Most of my post say the true.

 

Sorry, but isnt that you?

 

Let's focus on two things you said this very day. You said Mclaren has hell of a car this year AND your posts are the truth. Still waiting for you to prove it Mr. Most my post say the true.

 

Please reply to a question with an answer, not dodging them and clinging to your own version of the "true".

 

Please prove me wrong, prove we have a hell of a car right this moment, NOT Melbourne. This is how we can have an analytical discussion.

 

Disclaimer: I want nothing more than for our car to be a great car, trust me.

 

Please, do your best to shame me for challenging you, and the way to do that is to show DATA and proof you speak the truth.

Edited by TakataDomeNSX, 02 March 2017 - 09:20.

[CPR]

[KinkyMasta]

Trackside with  Pedro De la Rosa, translated from Spanish:http://www.elconfide...ign=BotoneraWeb

 

Trackside with  Pedro De la Rosa: "You can see that Fernando is driving with anger"


Fernando Alonso's McLaren comes to the end of the straight. Suddenly, a massive late braking is wrapped in a big cloud of smoke. Pedro Marínez de la Rosa smiles. Later, he climbs to a zone nearby where he can control the end of the straight and turn 5, on the other side. Alonso comes back, and again enters at full tilt at the end of the straight, resulting in a tremendous snap oversteer. Box, slow lap, attacks turn one again, and he controls with nerve another snap oversteer. He repeats the process with another slide two laps later. "Fernando is driving with anger" Martínez de la Rosa explains

 

Another year, El Confidencial joins the spanish driver in Montmeló to collect his impressions. This time, with the additonal value to discover the handling of a new generation of single-seaters. "The McLaren is a car way more nervous that I expected" says. Looks like it's not only about the engine. 

 

After two frustating days, the McLaren seems to be ready to do more mileage. While De la Rosa was watching the cars, Alonso was doing stints of 4 laps at most. "I've seen Fernando work more at the wheel than I'd like in a second day of testing", explains, shaping the feelings that he's got after watching the Mclaren. "It's a car that looks very unstable in tuns one and five". Locking the front wheel coming to turn 1, with this tyre smoke. And then with the rear wheel and the oversteer several times coming out of it.

 

"You can feel that Fernando is fighting" De la Rosa explains, maybe in part for the frustration of running too little until now. But "the car looks like doesn't handle well and he is very eager because no one on the track is attacking so much. I still haven't seen any other driver going full beans at corner entrance, which is the weakest spot, looking for the limit of the car. We have spent five minutes here and the car has been really twitchy" Coming up to the famous turn 3, Alonso also had to lift.

 

"He's already driving the car at its limit in the current conditions" as he has figured out, "He knows that the car will slide, but he has done it three times, and even so, he forces it, he wants the car to come to that limit. And you can feel that he's doing it before than anyone. Because if you do this at the end of the straight three times watching how twitchy it is, you must have that really under your control. Because you can do it one time.. You can do it two times... But the third time you are on the gravel. That's why, doing this several times at the end of the straight braking from over 300 km/h.. He hasn't done a lot of laps in this car and already has found the limit. It's like a jockey that wants to get the horse by the strap to tame it well".

 

 

 

De la Rosa points out that "the car is still in a tune-up phase. you come out of the pits and if you have to do short stints, as he is doing, and you have to generate heat quickly, maybe the tyre is not on it's optimus window. Sometimes things are more complicated than they seem", says to remember what's the current status of the MCL32. "McLaren still not has the reliability to do a proper test, they have to dor every lap without knowing if there will be a next one. Fernando is the same as ever, the McLaren is more nervous than I expected with this tyres, and the Honda engine sounds similar to the last year.

 

Suddently, Christian Horner appears in a bike to watch the cars and they start to chat. Later Jos Verstappen joins them, the father of the Red Bull driver. Alonso comes by: "Fernando must be angry, isn't he?" says Horner with a smile watching the spaniard. By the way, both him and Verstappen think that Red Bull and Ferrari are in a similar level, but it seems that the italian car has less fuel at the moment. Both belive that Mercedes is superior and Hamilton will beat Bottas. Horner also has positive words for Carlos Sainz.

 

 

De la Rosa comes back. "The Ferrari looks great, seems agile in the corners, even though it may run with less fuel. But I loved it, is very nimble, maybe with less kilos. Even though it works very well". Alonso goes by followed by Sainz. The McLaren stops and pulls to the side. "Look, he let him past, you noticed it, right?" says De la Rosa with a smile "You see that you have Carlos behind and say: Wait, I'll let you go by.."

The commentator for Movistar is also doing his job. “This is essential to later commentate, I am having a clearer view", explains after watching the cars for a while. And he's impressed with Mercedes. “Here in turns 1 and 2, apart from the engine noise, you can hear the tyre working, you can see that it's the only car that works the tyre more than anybody. It's true that he's running with softs, but it makes the tyre roar because he's running a big aerodynamic load, it presses the tyres more than anybody else. You don't have to be a genius to say that's the car to beat”.

Performance of the cars aside, what does De la Rosa think of this new generation os Formula One? "I love them, I like them very much, it's a step in a good direction. But I still miss the sound. Here we are talking just by the track as the cars come by and this a few years ago was not possible".

Aesthetically, " looking at them, they have taken a step forward with corner speed. What I don't understand is why they let they have the shark fin. It was banned back then because it was really ugly. The Mercedes is beautiful, and the fact that it doesn't have one (While Hamilton was at the track) makes it even more attractive. Even though he insists. “I miss the sound, the vibrations, the emotions, the roar of a V8 or even a V10".

Coming back to aesthetics, "Toro Rosso and Mercedes are the ones I like the most”. Even though, there is some critisim to the Italian car. “It's true that Carlos is doing long stints, but you can see that it's a bit unstable in the corners. It's something very subjective. The Merc, on the other hand is spectacular...”. Sebastian Vettel comes by and De la Rosa interrupts himself: "¡Buahh, look at the Ferrari...!". Who knows what will happen this year…

Edited by KinkyMasta, 02 March 2017 - 09:42.

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[TakataDomeNSX]

@Ferrari2012, please read above comments by De La Rosa, seems your truth is broken.

Edited by TakataDomeNSX, 02 March 2017 - 09:36.

[Enkei]

f1rules, on 02 Mar 2017 - 08:42, said:

yeah youre right, he is a legend, but had some hard years also the last time around with merc, but definitly mclaren should contract him, like rb did

 

He was with (McLaren) Mercedes in the past, together with his partner Paul Morgan. The latter died in a plane crash. The Ilmor duo were the brains behind the powerful Mercedes engines that earned Hakkinen his world championships.

There was talk the Mercedes engines became unreliable after that because he ran the manufacturing side of Ilmor. 

 

Albeit very powerfull the engines were known for their unreliability, they often went up in smoke. They had engine failures in the opening races and at Indianapolis in the 2000 season for example. All while in leading position.

It cost them the world championship that year for sure and it was very painful to watch. I was a big Hakkinen/Coulthard/McLaren fan.

 

However, I'd rather see a competitive but unreliable car, than a reliable midfield/backmarker car.

 

Oh, and that sound the Ilmor Mercedes engines made. Loved it

 

[SpaceGhost]

So confirms McLarens chasis is bad. Not that I am not suprised never rated it last year either. Think Honda are taking full brunt..while McLaren are getting off free. Alonso knows the truth but he dare not blame the handling of the car. Think he finally knows its just not the engine that is a joke. He wont extend his contract with McLaren as its his worst era in his racing life.

[Maustinsj]

SwadF1, on 02 Mar 2017 - 09:34, said:

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[McLobby]

Enkei, on 02 Mar 2017 - 09:37, said:

 

 

Every time I see Hakkinen in the car I get goosebumps...what a legend... and that amazing sound....  Those where the days 

[Rinehart]

KnucklesAgain, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:30, said:

Beware, looong post about the mule car discussion to follow.
 
 

Oh, Knuckles... take a bow! 

Suffice to say, that was a superb dissertation on the subject of mule cars. 

Talisman, Radoye also, excellent contributions. But Pup, why chime in to tell several posters to put a lid on it - shame on you!

So having digested all of that, I think the assessment of the time/resource equation, the difficulty of creating a test environment to garner meaningful data and the point that if they were going to break the rules do this (which I assume it would), why not just use an F1 car... leaves me having to side firmly in the "it doesn't happen" camp, on the basis of the weight of arguement.

[onemoresolo]

SpaceGhost, on 02 Mar 2017 - 09:42, said:

So confirms McLarens chasis is bad. Not that I am not suprised never rated it last year either. Think Honda are taking full brunt..while McLaren are getting off free. Alonso knows the truth but he dare not blame the handling of the car. Think he finally knows its just not the engine that is a joke. He wont extend his contract with McLaren as its his worst era in his racing life.

 

[Rinehart]

McLobby, on 02 Mar 2017 - 04:42, said:

Just to add to the amusing ''mule'' discussion, a street legal LaFerrari can produce up to 2.3 Gs*

so I guess a modified supercar test mule could be a little higher than that....

I too, think of such a thing as a ''moving dyno''

The supposed van mule could probably be full of equipment testing various things, and if they later also used an SLS  that means that they didn't expected the van to emulate how an F1 car behaves, but it obviously had a different purpose..

 

Of course all these assuming that the ''mule'' stories are true...

 

What I would imagine as pros for McLaren Honda for ex, is that the data gathered from the mule, could be transferred to the simulator and with calculations and analogy could probably simulate the behavior of various components and loads, in the current MCL32 F1 car to give a general  idea, before the car hits the track...

 

I am in no way questioning the commitment (or they way of doing things) based or this assumption, ofcourse they know better....

 

I am also not saying who does this and who doesn't, I have no idea about the costs and efforts and time required for such a thing, I just sharing some thoughts of mine....

 

*https://www.quora.co...er-when-floored

Thats true, we have all (*I have anyway) been conversing, assuming we're talking about a mule to test the WHOLE PU. But, of course, they could be testing just one element of it, batteries for example, and lugging around a lot of measuring equipment. G's might not in any case be of the essence, for certain tests...., though I can't think of a scenario where a dyno wouldn't do...

Edited by Rinehart, 02 March 2017 - 09:58.

[blacky]

I thought about a vid from monday already "oh, lot's of oversteer", but then thought "only first day". But hearing this words from Pedro De La Rosa is worrying.

 

Rear handling issues again? BUT would be driving crazy having an instable rear again. Although I guess also VAN, with his similar driving style, very smooth, will suffer a lot if they can't dial this out with a more developed car.

[Rinehart]

SpaceGhost, on 02 Mar 2017 - 09:42, said:

So confirms McLarens chasis is bad. Not that I am not suprised never rated it last year either. Think Honda are taking full brunt..while McLaren are getting off free. Alonso knows the truth but he dare not blame the handling of the car. Think he finally knows its just not the engine that is a joke. He wont extend his contract with McLaren as its his worst era in his racing life.

I think hell will freeze over before people grasp the relationship between engine reliability and power and chassis development and optimisation. 

 

Ps. I am not saying the car is good or bad (I'm not even saying the engine is good or bad yet). What I'm saying is that we have some observations of the car handling, but the car is running in an underpowered, underdeveloped, glitch-ridden, sub-optimal state - quite possibly trimmed for downforce in proportion to the lower power and quite definitely not using the tyres as it would be in the true operating window. I don't think the chassis can be deemed to be poor in isolation without pretending the clearly relevant context is in fact irrelevant! 

Edited by Rinehart, 02 March 2017 - 10:15.

[OO7]

SwadF1, on 02 Mar 2017 - 09:34, said:

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[RedBaron]

Has anyone got any information on what Ted Kravitz said about Ilmor having stopped helping Renault and are now helping with Honda?

[OO7]

Enkei, on 02 Mar 2017 - 09:37, said:

He was with (McLaren) Mercedes in the past, together with his partner Paul Morgan. The latter died in a plane crash. The Ilmor duo were the brains behind the powerful Mercedes engines that earned Hakkinen his world championships.

There was talk the Mercedes engines became unreliable after that because he ran the manufacturing side of Ilmor. 

 

Albeit very powerfull the engines were known for their unreliability, they often went up in smoke. They had engine failures in the opening races and at Indianapolis in the 2000 season for example. All while in leading position.

It cost them the world championship that year for sure and it was very painful to watch. I was a big Hakkinen/Coulthard/McLaren fan.

 

However, I'd rather see a competitive but unreliable car, than a reliable midfield/backmarker car.

 

Oh, and that sound the Ilmor Mercedes engines made. Loved it

 

I've said it before, but I'll say it again.  The merged exhaust of the 2000 McLaren make it one the best sounding F1 cars of all time, certainly (in my ears) the best since the reintroduction of NA engines back in 88.

Edited by OO7, 02 March 2017 - 10:17.

[Rinehart]

Stoffel binned it in the damp?

[RedBaron]

Rinehart, on 02 Mar 2017 - 10:17, said:

Stoffel binned it in the damp?

 

Can't see anything about that anywhere. He's in the pits isn't he?

[string158]

Rinehart, on 02 Mar 2017 - 10:17, said:

Stoffel binned it in the damp?

 

What makes you say that?

[f1rules]

well ill just take things as they come from now on, but honestly its not looking encouraring. The pu is obviously turned down, the kph shows this, there are rumors of vibration, i think honda suffered exactly that the last time they where in f1 also, its rumored the energy recovery is not sufficient due to the more efficient ice, mclaren had to open up the front of the sidepod for extra cooling, so either the flows are not how they wish, or they miscalculated, and now handling issues from on track observationts. Add to that, the obvious bad atmosphere. The first couple of races could be really hard i just hope will not be the complete season.

And i actually like the car. I like what the aero department has come up with, but if it doesnt work. I know they are still runnig launch spec, but still.

With all this comes my sec. worry. Alonso is gone for sure. That i can accept, what the hell he has been waisting his time in this team for. I just hope prodroumo dont leave and i hope they can get other quality tech personal onboard. And lastly i really hope for more sponsors, Only problem is, for this to happen they really need to show something in 17. So the team really needs to perform a small miracle in 17.

[f1rules]

stoffel went off, but got back on his own, no hit or anything, still he hasnt been back on track since

[AlexS]

Rinehart, on 02 Mar 2017 - 10:08, said:

I think hell will freeze over before people grasp the relationship between engine reliability and power and chassis development and optimisation. 

 

Ps. I am not saying the car is good or bad (I'm not even saying the engine is good or bad yet). What I'm saying is that we have some observations of the car handling, but the car is running in an underpowered, underdeveloped, glitch-ridden, sub-optimal state - quite possibly trimmed for downforce in proportion to the lower power and quite definitely not using the tyres as it would be in the true operating window. I don't think the chassis can be deemed to be poor in isolation without pretending the clearly relevant context is in fact irrelevant! 

 

Do Merc, Ferrari or RB have that problem? If anything the chassis should behave better with less speed. 

[muramasa]

Hamm, on 02 Mar 2017 - 07:35, said:

rather reliable Japanese insider

http://vtec.net/foru...&page_number=2

That guy is a joke, fraud 100%.

If you follow timeline, how he conjurers up "info" in chronological order, it's extremely easy for anyone to notice it's always comes after there is any official news or rumor or technical guess talks in forums etc, always just a copy or extrapolation of these with his "flavor" added.

[Rinehart]

AlexS, on 02 Mar 2017 - 10:30, said:

Do Merc, Ferrari or RB have that problem? If anything the chassis should behave better with less speed. 

Evidently, it's still hot and sunny in hell.