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[Giraffe]

I'm planning on being at the Masters Series test day on Thursday too Keith!

Edited by Giraffe, 06 March 2011 - 18:34.

[Ted Walker]

Me too. Bringing BT9 and BT10 and Crossle 12F for owners to test.

[Ted Walker]

Change BT9 for BT8

[Giraffe]

Masters testing at Donington today


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BTCC star Paul O'Neill went F1 testing today


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The ex-Chris Meek Ginetta G10 V8 from circa 1965 discovered in the USA & restored by Gelscoe Motorsport


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A visiting Roberto Moreno


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Edited by Giraffe, 10 March 2011 - 22:40.

[Giraffe]

TNFers were about in plenty yesterday; Ted (Ferret) Walker chasing his hat down the pit lane, a resurgent Cyrilmac, Keith (Pink Snail) Morales and his pal Scott, Ian (pullman99) Robinson (just popped out of the office for the 2nd day on the trot!), arch enthusiasts & watch collectors the bros. Shelbourne, Ian & Michael dispensing coffee yet again (thanks chaps!) & a cameo appearance reported in the cafe(?!?!) of the elusive & debonair Roger Clark accompanied by the perennially banned Adam Ferrington, ostensibly there just in order to collect some photos from Ted..................
Simon Hadfield was present helping clients out too...............


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Young Michael Lyons was shaking down a Lola T70 MK3B for the family (no idea which one but it's a "real" one).


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Edited by Giraffe, 11 March 2011 - 09:11.

[Giraffe]

The ex-Daly - Musetti & then Can-Am March 811 / RM05 with interesting chassis plate


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http://www.oldracing...php?CarID=811/5

& talking of chassis plates, where does this fit in? Allen's site recognises this chassis as a 'B' & not a 'C'. Maybe it was upgraded?


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http://www.oldracing...p?TypeID=MS120B

http://www.oldracing...p?TypeID=MS120C

[Roger Clark]

Giraffe, on Mar 11 2011, 10:43, said:

& talking of chassis plates, where does this fit in? Allen's site recognises this chassis as a 'B' & not a 'C'. Maybe it was upgraded?


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By giraffe138 at 2011-03-11

http://www.oldracing...p?TypeID=MS120B

http://www.oldracing...p?TypeID=MS120C

It looks like a C to me, but weren't the Cs updated Bs anyway?

[Giraffe]

Roger Clark, on Mar 11 2011, 12:18, said:

It looks like a C to me, but weren't the Cs updated Bs anyway?

Allen's site shows there to have been / be three 'B's of which chassis 6 is one, and one 'C'. Presumably this is how they left the factory, and all the 'B's in theory could now be 'C's?

[David McKinney]

My understanding (without ORC) is that the build order went:
01 MS10
02 MS80
03 not on my list
04 MS120B, later MS120C
05 MS120B
06 MS120B, later MS120C
07 MS120D

[Giraffe]

Back on track.............


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Three different Spices

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Lovely BT30. IIRC this is the ex-Lincoln Small car that I saw Jack Brabham demonstrate at Donington exactly 20 years ago


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This.......


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.....powers this............


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A tale of two Ferraris


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Edited by Giraffe, 11 March 2011 - 22:18.

[Tim Murray]

We had this selfsame discussion about this selfsame Matra MS120 in the Mallory thread nearly a year ago. See this post and the ensuing discussion.

Edited by Tim Murray, 11 March 2011 - 13:08.

[Giraffe]

Tim Murray, on Mar 11 2011, 13:07, said:

selfsame discussion selfsame ensuing discussion.

I/we seem to be repeating ourselves, seem to be repeating ourselves Tim!

[Roger Clark]

David McKinney, on Mar 11 2011, 13:03, said:

My understanding (without ORC) is that the build order went:
01 MS10
02 MS80
03 not on my list
04 MS120B, later MS120C
05 MS120B
06 MS120B, later MS120C
07 MS120D

I don't understand this list. What are the 0x numbers, and what happened to the MS11 and MS84?

[h4887]

[quote name='Giraffe' date='Mar 10 2011, 22:04' post='4887343']
Masters testing at Donington today



The ex-Chris Meek Ginetta G10 V8 from circa 1965 discovered in the USA & restored by Gelscoe Motorsport


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This G10 was not 'discovered' in the USA, as it has been living there for some years now but has happily been repatriated and supposedly returned to something like original condition, although it was a soft top when raced by Chris Meek. However, the only other G10, the coupe JGF295D did indeed come to light in the USA last year, having been standing in someone's shed for the last 25 years. Apparently they thought it might be a TVR when they bought it! It needs a full restoration, unsurprisingly.

[Giraffe]

I mean't by 'discovered' in the USA as much as that is where Jonathan & Andrew of Gelscoe found it, apparently in a rather sorry state.

The guys are searching for period pics of the car at Brands in 1965 & they believe that Chris also raced the car elsewhere. If anyone can be of assistance, can they please e-mail Andy Newall at: info@gelscoemotorsport.com


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Edited by Giraffe, 11 March 2011 - 13:59.

[h4887]

As far as I know it only raced on that one occasion when in the hands of the Walkletts.

[Giraffe]

Two Fords.....


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& two more affordable Fords......


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Paul Knapfield's sublime Ferrari 312PB


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Edited by Giraffe, 11 March 2011 - 17:27.

[Arjan de Roos]

Great pics Giraffe!!

[David McKinney]

Roger Clark, on Mar 11 2011, 13:37, said:

I don't understand this list. What are the 0x numbers, and what happened to the MS11 and MS84?

Sorry, I don't understand it either. I should have said the "number order" rather than "build order"

By contrast, the F2 and F3 models seemed to start each model at 01

[B Squared]

Arjan de Roos, on Mar 11 2011, 09:59, said:

Great pics Giraffe!!

Agreed. Thanks.

I wish that there was a comparable venue in my area to go see vintage racers on track in such a regular manner.

[Giraffe]

B Squared, on Mar 11 2011, 18:01, said:

Agreed. Thanks.

I wish that there was a comparable venue in my area to go see vintage racers on track in such a regular manner.

There is a price to pay; you'd have to live in Britain. On balance Brian, I'd stick with Ft. Wayne, Indiana ............

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[mfd]

Giraffe, on Mar 11 2011, 14:09, said:

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I don't think those ground effect fans will work without skirts

[Giraffe]

This is my third Lotus 23 of the week after #65 & #93 at Mallory on Wednesday, this is 23 - S - 46 looked after by Gelscoe Motorsport


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[Giraffe]

By giraffe138 at 2011-11-06

Officially announced as the new MD of Donington Park on Friday, ex-Masters Series man Christopher Tate chats with Geoff Richardson at the Walter Hayes meeting at Silverstone yesterday.

http://www.donington...aging-director/

Edited by Giraffe, 06 November 2011 - 10:37.

[arttidesco]

Congrats and best wishes to Mr Tate, look forward to seeing where the good ship Donington is headed now that it has divested itself of the attentions of the Effone Calender man and his cronies.

Edited by arttidesco, 06 November 2011 - 12:16.

[Phil Rainford]

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/96566

Some good news here



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[john ruston]

Does that mean the UK has lost their CER round next year.

If so that's not good news as its the only chance to see many of the European based Historic Sports car teams

[arttidesco]

I've lost touch a bit with Sports cars what's the difference between LMS and FIA World Endurance Championship ? And why will LMP1 not becoming to Donington ?

[elansprint72]

Phil Rainford, on Nov 28 2011, 16:24, said:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/96566

Some good news here

PAR

Some of the small print:

Beware: from this year on, any photographer asking for a pit lane access -at Le Mans Series media staff's discretion- shall wear fireproof overalls.

[Giraffe]

Big Masters test day for the upcoming Historic Festival at Donington today...

http://www.themaster...le_Sessions.pdf

http://www.themaster.....rage Plan.pdf

[Nev]

Gentlemen - a message from a lurker on this thread as well as the "Wednesday Mallory" thread ...

These threads are often my first port of call when I turn on my PC - wonderful photography and comments/banter. Thanks to all!

[JockinSA]

Hi there Pink Snail et al. I am so glad that the circuit is moving forward again at full speed. Just to update you on the Kyalami saga. The final court decision has been set down and thank the Lord the "Greeks" have been told to pi.. off by the Judge. A slightly odd bit of the ruling was the statement that the circuit had to be auctioned off for a minimum figure of R127M, but it seems that the 2 banks are now coming to a settlement on this. The end result is that the new owner bank is going to redevelop the site, and at the same time maintain the site as a going concern for at least the foreseeable future. Here's hoping, as there has not been any meetings yet this year. Now another circuit is under threat, and to my way of thinking just as important as the potential loss historically of DP. The East London circuit is being threatened by the local council of being turned into a University or some such. The circuit is in fact a public set of roads, and in the recent past has had less than beneficial motorclub oversight, which is why the council are talking about this move. I have been talking with the new people from the club about what they must do to stop this, and using the DP example to boost their spirits. I have offered them whatever help I can in this endevour, and they have asked if I would ask all of you what and how you galvanised local and other support in DP's problems. The slight problem that I have is that I am 700 miles away from East London but manage to get down their at least once a year on my official duties. My feeling is that this place is important because it is still as originally raced by the SA Grand Prixes. The original pre war circuits are to a major extent still in existance and boy oh boy are they something to drive. If there is any one out there who is willing to help in saving this ultra classic circuit, could they message me so that I can pass the wisdom on to these boys, as otherwise one of the "originals" will disappear under concrete. My final comment on this place is what Julian Bailey said to me about "Potters"; "Christ I have never driven a car that fast through a corner before." Our Superbike Challenge people take it flat and accelerating at 260kph. The next corner that you are accelerating at is a hairpin in 2nd. Next stop the Indian Ocean if you get it wrong. Please, any advice, thoughts etc would be most appreciated, even notes that they can take to the council from foreign people not to carry on with their intentions will help. Thanks for reading.

[Pink Snail]

I just had a `drive` around the circuit courtesy of Google Earth and am very impressed by what I saw!! How many circuits in the world can boast such a nice location? If anything Jock, I would suggest a plan to get investors to get together and develop the area into some kind of resort that holds race meetings a few times a year to set the ball rolling. The water park, close proximity to a beautiful beach and the chance to build some kind of hotel facility would draw punters in.
There also looks to be a cracking little go-kart track there aswell which could be used all year round. First things first there needs to be enough support for such development to go ahead (from all the local car clubs etc. and enthusiasts). The main thing is to get on board all the local business folk who would benefit from the income created by the racing fraternity and visitors to the track/resort.
I wish them all the luck in the world and trust that there will be enough support to see the area developed as a resort and track together - motor racing worldwide isn`t just about petrol heads thrashing around on the black stuff, it`s about all the service industry that supplies such a venue. By this I mean catering, cleaning, hotel and resort staff, local shops and towns nearby, taxi drivers and bus companies, travel agents, pubs and restaraunts.
In Donington`s case, I know of one Pub that does Bed and Breakfast about a mile and a half from the circuit, who were £30,000 DOWN in the year that Donington was out of commission!!!

[JockinSA]

Pink Snail, on Apr 13 2012, 20:24, said:

I just had a `drive` around the circuit courtesy of Google Earth and am very impressed by what I saw!! How many circuits in the world can boast such a nice location? If anything Jock, I would suggest a plan to get investors to get together and develop the area into some kind of resort that holds race meetings a few times a year to set the ball rolling. The water park, close proximity to a beautiful beach and the chance to build some kind of hotel facility would draw punters in.
There also looks to be a cracking little go-kart track there aswell which could be used all year round. First things first there needs to be enough support for such development to go ahead (from all the local car clubs etc. and enthusiasts). The main thing is to get on board all the local business folk who would benefit from the income created by the racing fraternity and visitors to the track/resort.
I wish them all the luck in the world and trust that there will be enough support to see the area developed as a resort and track together - motor racing worldwide isn`t just about petrol heads thrashing around on the black stuff, it`s about all the service industry that supplies such a venue. By this I mean catering, cleaning, hotel and resort staff, local shops and towns nearby, taxi drivers and bus companies, travel agents, pubs and restaraunts.
In Donington`s case, I know of one Pub that does Bed and Breakfast about a mile and a half from the circuit, who were £30,000 DOWN in the year that Donington was out of commission!!!

Thanks for the reply Pink Snail. Thank goodness you have reiterated what I have said to them so far, and in fact they have a ,hopefully, big historic event in 2 weeks. I am going to look at their entry lists next week to see how they are going. One of the problems in the past has been how the operating club have interacted with the local council, and Mercedes Benz. If you examine the problems that you have in the UK as a whole in selling motorsport to councils and other parties, as a viable leisure pursuit, and then multiply them ten fold, you come somewhere in relation to what we have here. How ever I was politicing today at a race meeting and the people I talked to started to see where I was coming from. A problem that one has here is that the main concentration of people who race are here in the Johannesburg region and an away race become very expensive. East London for me 3 weeks ago was a 3 day away event. If the others are joined in , Cape Town, and Port Elizabeth, it gets even more expensive. For the racers from those areas to do a series is worse because they have to do the reverse trip many more times to come to the Johannesburg region. However I will persevere, one of the areas I have told them to work on is to let the Historic Motorsport world know about the place and to try and set up a viable event(s) with good money to get foreign visitors to come there, and couple it to say to the Knysa Hill Climb event, which is our go at Goodwood FoS.
I shall let them know of your moral support on this, as this will at least let them know that they are not forgotten, hopefully this will add to their incentive to put their backs to the wheel.

[elansprint72]

Who is going to the Historic Festival week-end after next? I'll be there, track-side.
Not sure about parking the Elan in the infield "Clubs Enclosure", not at all convenient for where I want to be and it looks like a single-file exit might be on the cards, making a long day into a very long day.

[Giraffe]

elansprint72, on Apr 26 2012, 08:55, said:

Who is going to the Historic Festival week-end after next? I'll be there, track-side.

I intend going but I won't be camping as the forcast is that it will be far from the sundrenched spectacle of last year. Still, we hope for the best.

Edited by Giraffe, 26 April 2012 - 08:04.

[Odseybod]

Giraffe, on Apr 26 2012, 09:04, said:

I intend going but I won't be camping as the forcast is that it will be far from the sundrenched spectacle of last year. Still, we hope for the best.

I'll be there too, also trackside, but not yet sure which day - can't do both so will have to study the programme (and the seaweed).

[LeroyBoyce]

Hello all,

A little article you might like to read...

Facebook have slashed the members by, oooh, about 14000 members... So it's nice to see the group still gets some attention.

http://www.thisislei...tail/story.html

[Phil Rainford]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...ngland-19621449


He could always put it back ??


PAR

Edited by Phil Rainford, 17 September 2012 - 11:33.

[BRG]

LeroyBoyce, on Jun 24 2012, 15:51, said:

A little article you might like to read...

http://www.thisislei...tail/story.html

Bloody madness. They need planning permission to put the infield straight? In a sane world, the Council would be ordering them to do it on aesthetic grounds. Anyway, it only needs a quick once over to level it, and then seed it with grass. As Martin Brundle might say, get a pikey to do it for a couple of hundred quid, cash in hand.

[kayemod]

BRG, on Sep 17 2012, 13:12, said:

...it only needs a quick once over to level it, and then seed it with grass. As Martin Brundle might say, get a pikey to do it for a couple of hundred quid, cash in hand.

Given its location, if they dig down a bit, they might find the remains of an English king (or queen), though bearing in mind the current media silliness, I hope all nipples will be decently covered...

[Allan Lupton]

BRG, on Sep 17 2012, 13:12, said:

Bloody madness. They need planning permission to put the infield straight?

Effectively the new planning consent has to overturn the previous one that was only partly executed.
As things are, unless the time specified for completion has passed, they could start work on completing whatever was supposed to be there under existing consents.
Once they get consent, call in the pikeys

[Odseybod]

Allan Lupton, on Sep 17 2012, 14:03, said:

Effectively the new planning consent has to overturn the previous one that was only partly executed.
As things are, unless the time specified for completion has passed, they could start work on completing whatever was supposed to be there under existing consents.
Once they get consent, call in the pikeys

Doesn't it count as a temporary structure, so subject to different rules (like the grandstands at Brands are/were)?

[Allan Lupton]

Odseybod, on Sep 17 2012, 14:25, said:

Allan Lupton, on Sep 17 2012, 14:03, said:

Effectively the new planning consent has to overturn the previous one that was only partly executed.
As things are, unless the time specified for completion has passed, they could start work on completing whatever was supposed to be there under existing consents.
Once they get consent, call in the pikeys

Doesn't it count as a temporary structure, so subject to different rules (like the grandstands at Brands are/were)?

The Donington infield was going to be "a new pit complex" according to that press report and modern pit arrangements are far from temporary.
The grandstand at Brands that I remember was a substantial building with the timekeepers' box and CotC's office in it - the scaffold jobs at Silverstone on the other hand were certainly of temporary standard, though they weren't moved for decades.

[Odseybod]

Allan Lupton, on Sep 17 2012, 23:48, said:

Doesn't it count as a temporary structure, so subject to different rules (like the grandstands at Brands are/were)?

The Donington infield was going to be "a new pit complex" according to that press report and modern pit arrangements are far from temporary.
The grandstand at Brands that I remember was a substantial building with the timekeepers' box and CotC's office in it - the scaffold jobs at Silverstone on the other hand were certainly of temporary standard, though they weren't moved for decades.

Allan, as Sterling will no doubt confirm, Brands had at least one rickety grandstand structure out in the boondocks that appeared and disappeared according to event and anticipated audience size. But yes, the main Start-Finish line grandstand was/is very 'untemporary' - I've sat in the press box underneath it often enough. Also the later Grovewood Suite (or whatever it's called these days) on the outside of Clearways. Reminds me I really must get to Brands again soon, long time no visit.

As an aside on Planning Law, at school we had an Armoury building that was officially a temproary structure - erected in the late 1920s, I believe, still serving its purpose when I was there in the late '60s and only demolished to make room for some new teaching facilities (funny priorities, I know).

Edited by Odseybod, 18 September 2012 - 08:24.

[Stephen W]

Allan Lupton, on Sep 17 2012, 23:48, said:

The grandstand at Brands that I remember was a substantial building with the timekeepers' box and CotC's office in it - the scaffold jobs at Silverstone on the other hand were certainly of temporary standard, though they weren't moved for decades.

For the big meetings scaffolding stands were erected at Clearways, on the approach to Paddock Hill Bend and also in the dip at the bottom of Paddock Hill Bend. BTW back in 1962 the grandstand on the outside of Clearways was known as "Little Britches Grandstand" and there was the Portobello grandstand on the outside of Hawthorn Hill Bend. I also remember a raised standing area on the inside approaches to Druids which was supposed to be for photographers (Kodak & Ilford being used in the name from time to time).

[alansart]

Looks like work is about to start

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102868

[TimRTC]

My favourite British circuit, looking forward to the new viewing opportunities from a rebuilt infield, I just hope they don't put up any unnecessary high fencing.

Is anyone else going for the GT1/F3/British GT event this weekend? It will be my 7th trip down there this year.

[Pullman99]

Not quite sure whether to post this under one of the Donington threads or under "Personal Photos from Museums"; but here goes , anyway.

Another TNF member has asked me to comment on the saga of the ex-World Cup Rally Triumph 2500 of Brian Culcheth / Johnstone Syer - XJB305H. I used to know this car quite well when I worked for whatever BL called itself that week in the early 1970s. Back in 1975, Leyland Historic Vehicles Limited was created amongst the detritus of BLMC following full Nationalisation at the end of 1974. The aim was to bring together the various vehicles and archives that had previously been looked after separately by the individual BL companies or related custodians. During 1976, some of the key vehicles were brought together and displayed at Donington in two of the Halls that were, presumably, spare at the time. So the Historic collection was entered through the halls containing the Grand Prix cars and the other "permanent" displays. I went to the opening (and later to the opening of the Syon Park exhibition too after the cars were removed from Donington). There was a bit of a falling out, I seem to recall, not least over the "ownership" of the Austin single-seaters.

Unfortunately, I do not have any pics of that particular display and I am not sure if the WCR Triumph was there or not (I belive that it was). Does anyone have any pics taken in the three years or so that the Leyland collection was at Donington? Or, indeed, could confirm if the Triumph was there or not.

Related to this, of course, is whether anyone has any pics of the relocated displays at Syon Park.

[Peter Morley]

Does anyone have a photo of the cars that used to be on the roof above the entrance?
I'm particularly interested in the Lotus (an 18 with aluminium 21 style bodywork) which I used to own, but would be interested in the others as well.