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[pjabyrne]

Amazing comments from Alonso I thought. Brundle was intrigued by it too - I think he mentioned it twice (whilst underlining that he thinks Alonso is the best driver in F1)

So was it genuine modesty? False modesty? Was he simply being honest?
I find it amazing that a driver of Alonso's calibre plays himself down as 'consistent'.

I like Alonso. He's so grounded and immune to hyperbole - he's practically downbeat and pessimistic...

[Brawn BGP 001]

Great to see Hamilton and Alonso growing up after 2007.

[Anomnader]

Amazing comments from Alonso I thought. Brundle was intrigued by it too - I think he mentioned it twice (whilst underlining that he thinks Alonso is the best driver in F1)

So was it genuine modesty? False modesty? Was he simply being honest?
I find it amazing that a driver of Alonso's calibre plays himself down as 'consistent'.

I like Alonso. He's so grounded and immune to hyperbole - he's practically downbeat and pessimistic...

think most people would agree with Alonso, I think Lewis is the faster driver, but he is not as complete as Alonso.


As to the last comment, hmmmm, he can be, but he also like everyone he has a badside.

Edited by Anomnader, 13 September 2009 - 23:36.

[chillerguy]

I think they both acted a little shamefully in 07 and I will admit I am a Hamilton fan. I think alot of the problems he had then though were more down to a loss in the translation to what is not his first language. Either way he is bloody fast, probably the most consistently fast driver we have today. My respect for him has returned.

[Music Man]

Brace yourself, for this may become the legendary thread, the one where Alonso and Hamilton fans admit their favorite drivers' mistakes and weaknesses while admitting opponent's strong points, and we'll all get along just well

Otherwise I have to agree with Alonso. As his fan I've never seen him as fastest (I would give that title to Hamilton), but I was always sure that if he has a car capable of winning, he'll always be there, giving his maximum.

Edited by Music Man, 14 September 2009 - 05:27.

[Mauseri]

Brace yourself, for this may become the legendary thread, the one where Alonso and Hamilton fans admit their favorite drivers' mistakes and weaknesses while admitting opponent's strong points, and we'll all get along just well

Yeah, but Kimi is the best.

[raiseyourfistfor]

Yeah, but Kimi is the best.

[Lazy Prodigy]

Amazing comments from Alonso I thought. Brundle was intrigued by it too - I think he mentioned it twice (whilst underlining that he thinks Alonso is the best driver in F1)

So was it genuine modesty? False modesty? Was he simply being honest?
I find it amazing that a driver of Alonso's calibre plays himself down as 'consistent'.

I like Alonso. He's so grounded and immune to hyperbole - he's practically downbeat and pessimistic...

Didnt here this. When was it?

[as65p]

I didn't hear that comment from him, but I think it pretty much hits the nail on the head. All things (car) being equal, there are a few drivers that may drive some laps faster than Alonso, but over a race distance Alonso would have the highest probability in the current field of coming out on top.

Of course F1 doesn't work like that, things are never equal...

[Arion]

he's talking about Kimi, isn't he? he used to be regarded as the fastest man in F1 and the most naturally talented.

"consistent" he was in 2005 & 2006, I'm not surprised he sees this as one of his strength.

Is this comment recent? He seems very relaxed these days. I think he knows he's regarded as the best driver F1 and he has the Ferrari seat locked.

[Galko877]

I have to say I agree with Alonso. I have always thought this about him. And to see your own strengths and weaknesses is another strength.

[Fatality]

Alonso has always been modest. No surpise there.

[Galko877]

Alonso has always been modest. No surpise there.

Well, I do remember when he was cocky and arrogant, but it's good to see him maturing.

[KiwiF1]

I agree he is consistent and fast, doesn't matter whether he is 19th or 1st, he will drive well, giving it everything the car has to offer!!

I am not an Alonso fan, but I do rate him, and believe that he is the best complete driver in F1 at the moment.

[aguri]

I think he went on to say somthing like, im not going to win every race, but ill always be up there.

I have to agree, over race distance i think fernado is strongest. But over a quick stint on fresh tyres, others (hamilton, kimi, etc.) are probibily faster.

I certainly dont think alonso would have crashed out on the last lap while coming third........

[dgduris]

Fernando is not maturing - but he is getting smarter...

I think he is positioning himself against Kimi here. Kimi can be very fast but - considering his last two seasons - especially the second vs. the first half of this one - he is not consistent.

He is helping move forward the argument to replace Kimi @ The Scuderia in 2010.


We'll talk about maturity when we see how he acts in 2010 if Felipe is faster in the car that Fernando helps set-up.

[abc]

I dont want to piss on anybodys parade but is he saying or hinting that he is the best? Its serious question because I dont know its exact wording and also true meaning in english can escape me.
If so then its exact opposite of modesty to me.

Talking himself as the quickest would be pure madness, there would be top 10 drivers in 0.2 sec. over one lap in current field. Just look how is Kova faring against Hamilton now over one lap and he is the most doubted driver on the grid since Badgers fall.
Consistence over race distance is a feat also linked to many. Depends on period of time we take into account, this season we may have seen that Massa is the most consistent driver after all . Since 2007 Alonso never was "mister consistent" towering above others although one of the best he is undisputably.

[Chezrome]

I think it is a fair assesment. Kimi Raikkonen on the game (like has been the last Grand Prix) or in the second half of 2007 is the fastest out there. People think he lucked in in 2007, but he was just the best driver out there (the second half of the season that is). Only Hamilton is a match for him, I think. Kubica, I can't judge yet.

However, over a whole season Alonso is your man. So few mistakes, so close to his personal best all the time. Is it his mood, character or the whole approach to motorracing? Intriguing subject. I don't think he is as singleminded as Schumacher was, but the results are the same anyways. 6th place possible? He will get it. Win possible? Got it. Second places suffices? Okay.

[K-One]

Did he forget the 0,6 seconds he is bringing?

[Jakob]

Brace yourself, for this may become the legendary thread, the one where Alonso and Hamilton fans admit their favorite drivers' mistakes and weaknesses while admitting opponent's strong points, and we'll all get along just well

Hi, my name is Jakob, I'm an alonso fan, and I was impressed with Ham in Monza despite his final lap. Scary as it is, I was thinking that we need a few more Hamiltons on the grid.

And if you excuse me, now I'll go to the Monza thread for some old-fashioned trolling and Lewis-bashing before I start to warm towards his father.

[bankoq]

Alonso might be right.

I still think Kimi is fastest man in Formula 1. Just build the car that suits him, or let him go back to McLaren.

[Mauseri]

Alonso might be right.

I still think Kimi is fastest man in Formula 1. Just build the car that suits him, or let him go back to McLaren.

Despite of being fan, I never make such claim. It's not possible to know. I think there are other drivers who are on same level. Some might even be faster on their day, but maybe with less consistency from lap to lap or race to race. Kimi is complete package as driver, but maybe not as team leader.

Edited by micra_k10, 14 September 2009 - 07:43.

[Fatality]

Well, I do remember when he was cocky and arrogant, but it's good to see him maturing.

I dont. Post some links to something arrogant and cocky from alonso.

[mursuka80]

I dont. Post some links to something arrogant and cocky from alonso.

They are F1 drivers,so its a given they all have made cocky statements one time or the other.

[Fatality]

They are F1 drivers,so its a given they all have made cocky statements one time or the other.

Most actually dont. They dont all need to say they are the best like hamilton does every week. (he said it 2 weeks ago in the lauda interview)

[as65p]

I dont want to piss on anybodys parade...

Don't be shy, go ahead!

Ah, I see you just did. Good for you.

Shame K-One stole the honours of being the first to make another cracking .6 joke...

[GT Racing Online Magazine]

Amazing comments from Alonso I thought. Brundle was intrigued by it too - I think he mentioned it twice (whilst underlining that he thinks Alonso is the best driver in F1)

So was it genuine modesty? False modesty? Was he simply being honest?
I find it amazing that a driver of Alonso's calibre plays himself down as 'consistent'.

I like Alonso. He's so grounded and immune to hyperbole - he's practically downbeat and pessimistic...

I think he is correct in his self-analysis if the yard-stick are the current drivers. I think he has one of the best overall packages today, he has something to prove in terms of being a genuinely part of a team outside Flavio's domain and he might not have a certain strategic ability, but in terms of the latter it is not really required of the drivers nowadays.

[mursuka80]

Most actually dont. They dont all need to say they are the best like hamilton does every week. (he said it 2 weeks ago in the lauda interview)

I didnt hear Hamilton saying that.In which part of the interview?

[Ijsman]

Yeah, but Kimi is the best.

Kimi certainly is the fastest one. And maybe the best one too.

[cheapracer]

I certainly dont think alonso would have crashed out on the last lap while coming third........

I certainly don't think Alonso had a WDC and a second under his belt in his first 3 years either.

[Fatality]

I didnt hear Hamilton saying that.In which part of the interview?

At 3:50 or so.

[cheapracer]

Most actually dont. They dont all need to say they are the best like hamilton does every week. (he said it 2 weeks ago in the lauda interview)

The current World Champion saying he's the best?

Terrible.

Modesty is for people who have something to be modest about.

[Arion]

I thought all drivers are in F1 to prove they're the best

Lauda, great taxi driver

[mursuka80]

If you dont believe you are faster than the other guy why would you be in F1? They all have huge ego`s and thats is a attribute you got to have to be succesful.

[Korben82]

I like Alonso. He's so grounded and immune to hyperbole - he's practically downbeat and pessimistic...

He is. Just watch his interviews pre-race, many people would be surprised how pessimistic he is (he would say "realistic" ). However, those interviews are done for spanish tv just moments before the race, and I guess they don't show them on international tv.

I also think there are drivers out there who are faster right out of the box than Alonso (Kimi and Hamilton come to mind). However, Alonso's mental strenght and concentration gives him an edge in a full race. Plus, he's the whole package. That's probably why he doesn't have that many fast laps or poles.

[Arion]

He is. Just watch his interviews pre-race, many people would be surprised how pessimistic he is (he would say "realistic" ).

He would say "it's gonna be very difficult, they're very strong here, blah blah blah", even when he has the best car. He performs better when he can convince himself he's the underdog.

[FilipTelak]

I certainly don't think Alonso had a WDC and a second under his belt in his first 3 years either.

Well, he didn't have "the best" car on the grid either!

Filip

[abc]

Don't be shy, go ahead!

Ah, I see you just did. Good for you.

Shame K-One stole the honours of being the first to make another cracking .6 joke...

Hey you quoting me without even an attempt to answer my question. That would be too much to ask from you I assume.

[Buttoneer]

He's a 2x champion and I'm convinced he got one of those in what was definitely not the best car. I never really like it when drivers say what they think of themselves because it always sounds like the rehash of some journalistic piece but I think maybe here Alonso has been a little too modest. I'm pretty sure he's the best option for any team on the grid right now and the current driver market stalemate is testament to that.

I hope the Renault scandal doesn't hurt him too much.

[Ijsman]

The current World Champion saying he's the best?

Terrible.

Modesty is for people who have something to be modest about.

Umm, Lauda said he's the best...

[Colombo]

Yeah, but Kimi is the best.

GC

[Perre]

Did he forget the 0,6 seconds he is bringing?

What 0,6 seconds?

[Ijsman]

GC

No really, he is the best...

Edited by Ijsman, 14 September 2009 - 09:03.

[cheapracer]

Umm, Lauda said he's the best...

So? At one time he was.

I have no problem with people who think highly of themselves when they have proven it to be true and whats more those people are more often winners than not because they believe in themselves.

Lauda, great taxi driver

Not sure what that means? Drove a Red Taxi there for a while and did pretty good things with it

Well, he didn't have "the best" car on the grid either!

Filip

Yeah, yeah, they never do do they? Funny when the wins come it's the driver and the losses = the car.

Edited by cheapracer, 14 September 2009 - 09:24.

[Buckethead]

This isn't turned Alonso vs Hamilton or Alonso vs Kimi topic yet?

[mursuka80]

There are intelligent people who dont see conflicts in every thread.

[Jakob]

This isn't turned Alonso vs Hamilton or Alonso vs Kimi topic yet?

Not yet, but getting there... just give it a couple more hours.

[MichaelPM]

Yeah, yeah, they never do do they? Funny when the wins come it's the driver and the losses = the car.

I think for the time scale of 3 years in F1 Alonso was in a Minardi and very poor Renault's for his first 3 years.

[Fortymark]

Alonso is one of the fastest and most talented drivers out there.
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