Wha do you think about it? What, keeping the good of the sport in mind, FIA decide?
Edited by sportgrafica, 17 September 2009 - 20:05.
Posted 17 September 2009 - 20:04
Edited by sportgrafica, 17 September 2009 - 20:05.
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Posted 17 September 2009 - 20:44
^ Get rid of the people who organize the WRC, make IRC the new WRC and don't muddle with it.
Edited by FlatOverCrest, 17 September 2009 - 20:54.
Posted 17 September 2009 - 20:54
I must admit IRC is so much entertaining....^ Get rid of the people who organize the WRC, make IRC the new WRC and don't muddle with it.
Posted 17 September 2009 - 20:56
AMEN to that brother!
ISC has done more harm to the WRC than could have possibly have been envisioned. They started with best intentions and some good ideas, but then the "ivory tower" syndrome took over an certain idiots locked themselves away in their little rooms creating new rules, ways to fleece fans out their cash more and generally give ZERO consideration to giving the fans a championship they can support and enjoy the way rallying used to be, just with better safety now.
The idiot Chandler....was the worst appointment in the entire current FIA cabinet!
There is clearly a chapionship format thatis working and working with ever increasing popularity with every round and its NOT the current WRC...
I think keep the S2000 cars, allow them to have 300BHP and we have a winner.... then ....if manufacturers really want to downsize the engines, get them all to agree on a format...THEN announce the year that this will take effect.....
Rather than the idiot policy of select and engine, set the date for it to come into effect and then ask....."er....is anyone willing to enter this championship?"
GET RID OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 17 September 2009 - 20:58
I must admit IRC is so much entertaining....
Edited by sportgrafica, 17 September 2009 - 20:59.
Posted 17 September 2009 - 21:05
Yes, it is if it goes about the cometition, but the cars are not much entertaing to watch in reality - I think they need a bit more power.
Posted 17 September 2009 - 22:49
Posted 18 September 2009 - 00:48
^ Get rid of the people who organize the WRC, make IRC the new WRC and don't muddle with it.
Posted 18 September 2009 - 01:09
I think keep the S2000 cars, allow them to have 300BHP and we have a winner.... then ....if manufacturers really want to downsize the engines, get them all to agree on a format...THEN announce the year that this will take effect.....
Posted 18 September 2009 - 02:21
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Edited by V8 Fireworks, 18 September 2009 - 02:22.
Posted 18 September 2009 - 02:26
Hopefully with a revised S2000 forumla we could even see this beauty switch from WTCC to WRC with a 4x4 platform...
Posted 18 September 2009 - 02:35
I would keep requirement for X examples to be built and sold for a maximum price, to ensure plenty of cars go out to all the privateers.
Posted 18 September 2009 - 03:18
They're already 280-290BHP anyway so that wouldn't make any difference. Perhaps a smaller restrictor on the intake to boost torque? That's the only thing I see that needs changed.
Posted 19 September 2009 - 13:27
Hopefully with a revised S2000 forumla we could even see this beauty switch from WTCC to WRC with a 4x4 platform...
To be fair it looks like Daewoo have been copying European manufacturers again... it's very similar to the Fiesta is it not, just more angular at the front (subtract the concept bodykit to compare of course). Meanwhile, their Daewoo/Chevrolet Cruze looks a lot like a BMW-copy IMHO...
All you need is spec spacefame chassis in steel, <2.4 n/a engine rev limited, 5 speed box, minimum weight and spec aero. Bodyshell to be based around manufacturers specific models and dimension specific or larger if they choose.
Edited by evo, 19 September 2009 - 13:33.
Posted 19 September 2009 - 13:40
Edited by Muppetmad, 19 September 2009 - 13:43.
Posted 19 September 2009 - 14:56
I don't think it's the cars or the costs that are really the problem.
WRC isn't very expensive compared to series like F1 and such. I know they're different, but if teams can afford to run in F1, why aren't they running in WRC?
The answer is simple. No coverage. Why would a sponsor want to sponsor something not many people will see? In Britain, WRC is on Dave. How many people have Dave, or even know it exists? A small minority. I have Dave, but I never know when rallies are on. It certainly isn't advertised at all.
Coupled with a not particularly large audience in America (the WRC is an incredibly European orientated series), there just aren't enough people watching.
You can't expect teams to come flooding in without good TV coverage - and that's what we need first. We need a company like the BBC or even ITV to buy the rights - that way we'll have consistent coverage, and it will be more appealing to sponsors.
It's the same thing that's happening with IndyCars on Versus - nobody pays for it, so nobody watches it. TV ratings on the races broadcast by ESPN were dramatically higher than those broadcast by Versus, and that is what is putting teams off joining.
Then again, I'm probably absolutely wrong
Posted 20 September 2009 - 00:21
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 09:09
But if Colin McRae and Tommi Makinen are household names there is no reason why Loeb and Hirvonen can't be.
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 10:34
The top and bottom of it is that next to nobody cares any more.
What we need to get away from is the 'lets change things to save money'. Nothing saves money like running what you already have.
Posted 20 September 2009 - 13:59
But what if you don't already have something to run? That's the problem WRC has right now. It's not that Ford and Citroen can't afford to run WRC spec cars forever but that no-one else can afford to come in.
Edited by sportgrafica, 20 September 2009 - 13:59.
Posted 20 September 2009 - 15:20
. All this in a car that cost less than $100000 to build.
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Edited by sportgrafica, 21 September 2009 - 21:48.
Posted 21 September 2009 - 22:20
I heard some rummors about new Mini.. For me it doesn't really matters which manufaturer it's going to be as long as they will be competitive..
Edited by FlatOverCrest, 21 September 2009 - 22:20.
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Posted 21 September 2009 - 23:38
And one more thing... Don't you think new Civic might be a bit oversized for a S2000 car?
Posted 22 September 2009 - 00:59
For the Mini....imagine a Prodrive 3 car team of Solberg, Meeke and Martin! Now that would inject some fire! Alas it may be but a dream, unless of course it is in partnership with Cooper Works?
Posted 22 September 2009 - 01:01
It actually has a really nice footprint... the wheels are right over the four corners of the car, so it should handle very well. Again they have been running front wheel drive Civics in the IRC, so it would not be a huge leap....
Posted 22 September 2009 - 01:11
A) Why not previous Prodrive driver Atkinson who was quite close to Solberg?
B) Does not the Subaru effort show that Prodrive are second-rate and have no idea what they are doing, with consistent mediocre performances (it would not be remarkable if 07/08 Impreza was slower than 03 Impreza...) and no idea how to improve the car despite reasonable budget!
Posted 22 September 2009 - 05:06
Posted 22 September 2009 - 06:01
if driving dynamics played a factor in the demise of the sedan(ish) based lancer and impreza (along with the rise of the pug 206 and 307, citreon c4 etc - hatchback based), i don't see why mitsu and scooby didn't use the mirage/impreza hatch as the base.
admittedly, mitsu was pretty much on the back foot due to developing the grp A machine right to the very end (like fezz/macca through 08/09)
was that just trying to make a viable road platform work in the WRC rather than the other way around?
Edited by FlatOverCrest, 22 September 2009 - 06:03.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 11:37
Oh REALLY??
ONLY $100,000???