Jump to content


Photo

FF2000 entries (sorry...)


  • Please log in to reply
28 replies to this topic

#1 Cirrus

Cirrus
  • Member

  • 1,727 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 07 May 2010 - 20:52

As some TNFers will know, I have a particular interest in Historic FF2000. I realise that FF2000 is pretty insignificant in the greater scheme of things, but I need to be able to answer some questions. In the UK, the Historic Sports Car Club run HFF2K races for us. We're currently enjoying a huge amount of interest in our series, and I'm being asked the following question several times a day...

"So, you've got 45 cars entered for Silverstone - is that the biggest FF2000 grid ever?"

Well, is it? I certainly don't know...

All input gratefully received.

Advertisement

#2 john aston

john aston
  • Member

  • 2,060 posts
  • Joined: March 04

Posted 08 May 2010 - 06:06

As some TNFers will know, I have a particular interest in Historic FF2000. I realise that FF2000 is pretty insignificant in the greater scheme of things, but I need to be able to answer some questions. In the UK, the Historic Sports Car Club run HFF2K races for us. We're currently enjoying a huge amount of interest in our series, and I'm being asked the following question several times a day...

"So, you've got 45 cars entered for Silverstone - is that the biggest FF2000 grid ever?"

Well, is it? I certainly don't know...

All input gratefully received.


Can't answer the question but my £10 says it is the biggest field ever. Thanks to you guys for putting on a brilliant show last month at Britain's best circuit (Cadwell of course) .I believe you are visiting Croft later this year - my local track ? If so , I'm the grey haired old git with the BRM liveried Caterham- I mention this because if we get the usual crowd I will represent about 10% of it....

#3 Giraffe

Giraffe
  • Member

  • 7,284 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 08 May 2010 - 06:37

The largest entry I can find at Oulton Park in period is 31 for the BAF championship race 22 July 1978. It was won by Mike White in a Delta T78 with David Leslie second in a Van Dieman RF78 and Syd Fox third in a Ton 74. IIRC only 24 cars could make the grid in those days.

#4 Phil Rainford

Phil Rainford
  • Member

  • 5,302 posts
  • Joined: March 07

Posted 08 May 2010 - 08:20

33 were entered for the Grandstand race at the 1985 Festival at Brands :)


PAR

#5 Mallory Dan

Mallory Dan
  • Member

  • 3,066 posts
  • Joined: September 03

Posted 10 May 2010 - 13:06

As some TNFers will know, I have a particular interest in Historic FF2000. I realise that FF2000 is pretty insignificant in the greater scheme of things, but I need to be able to answer some questions. In the UK, the Historic Sports Car Club run HFF2K races for us. We're currently enjoying a huge amount of interest in our series, and I'm being asked the following question several times a day...

"So, you've got 45 cars entered for Silverstone - is that the biggest FF2000 grid ever?"

Well, is it? I certainly don't know...

All input gratefully received.


Alan, my old Mallory progs show that an entry of 51 cars was received there on the August Bankie meet, 1977. Of course only 20 could have started there, so it doesn't challenge the forthcoming S'stone grid, but is this the largest entry I wonder?

The entry included a 'block' of 11 Dutch entries, all in Crossle 33Fs (including Desire in an F&S car). No idea whether they all showed up, or indeed any of the Cloggie Crossles, as I didn't attend the meeting. 11 different marques, who can guess them all, without recourse to the prog!

Main race won by Wilson from Farthing, Bullman, Gray and Notz. Consolation race by Henneman from Kirkby and Wil Arif.


#6 alansart

alansart
  • Member

  • 4,396 posts
  • Joined: March 07

Posted 10 May 2010 - 14:19

Can you start 45 cars at Silverstone?

I always liked FF2000. Full credit for getting such an impressive entry, even more so considering the current financial climate :clap:

Edited by alansart, 10 May 2010 - 14:21.


#7 Cirrus

Cirrus
  • Member

  • 1,727 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 10 May 2010 - 15:40

44 cars is the maximum grid for Silverstone. We've had one of the 45 drop out, so 44 is the current number.

Let's hope they all behave themselves...

#8 alansart

alansart
  • Member

  • 4,396 posts
  • Joined: March 07

Posted 10 May 2010 - 15:43

Let's hope they all behave themselves...


Don't be silly :drunk:


#9 icarus

icarus
  • New Member

  • 28 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 10 May 2010 - 18:31

Alan, my old Mallory progs show that an entry of 51 cars was received there on the August Bankie meet, 1977. Of course only 20 could have started there, so it doesn't challenge the forthcoming S'stone grid, but is this the largest entry I wonder?

The entry included a 'block' of 11 Dutch entries, all in Crossle 33Fs (including Desire in an F&S car). No idea whether they all showed up, or indeed any of the Cloggie Crossles, as I didn't attend the meeting. 11 different marques, who can guess them all, without recourse to the prog!

Main race won by Wilson from Farthing, Bullman, Gray and Notz. Consolation race by Henneman from Kirkby and Wil Arif.

Were the eleven marques Crossle,Reynard,Dulon,Hawke,Lola,VanDiemen,Delta,CTG,Merlyn,Elden,OldNail{a palliser i beleive},if this is correct i claim my prize.

#10 MCS

MCS
  • Member

  • 4,378 posts
  • Joined: June 03

Posted 10 May 2010 - 18:54

Were the eleven marques Crossle,Reynard,Dulon,Hawke,Lola,VanDiemen,Delta,CTG,Merlyn,Elden,OldNail{a palliser i beleive},if this is correct i claim my prize.


Probably not. After all, 1977 was the year of Rad Dougall in the Royale RP25, not to mention the Scorpion Racing RP25 of his fellow countryman, Kenny Gray.

That year, I'm sure they had second races for the slower qualifiers, as per Dan's post.

Edited by MCS, 10 May 2010 - 19:00.


#11 Cirrus

Cirrus
  • Member

  • 1,727 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 10 May 2010 - 19:36

Were the eleven marques Crossle,Reynard,Dulon,Hawke,Lola,VanDiemen,Delta,CTG,Merlyn,Elden,OldNail{a palliser i beleive},if this is correct i claim my prize.


We can only claim six of those at Silverstone, although there will be some Royales racing as well. There is a Crosslé that races with us usually, one of our drivers has a CTG under restoration and there is a Palliser for sale at the moment at a very realistic price. I would love to see an Elden out with us, and I'm surprised that no Hawkes have surfaced, as they were a very good car in period.

Delta (an occasional TNF poster) has a Penfold (or PMD?) to restore, and I've heard whispers of a Saracen that might be around.

There were loads of others, though... http://www.historicf...ufacturers.html

If any TNFers are around, please come and say hello, I'll probably be lurking around garages 9A to 10C, then after the race, desperately trying to organise a barbecue.

Edited by Cirrus, 10 May 2010 - 19:37.


#12 Giraffe

Giraffe
  • Member

  • 7,284 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 10 May 2010 - 19:47

What was the Ton 74 of Syd Fox that I mentioned earlier 'The Old Nail', as seems likely? It went well enough!

Edited by Giraffe, 10 May 2010 - 19:48.


#13 MCS

MCS
  • Member

  • 4,378 posts
  • Joined: June 03

Posted 10 May 2010 - 20:10

What was the Ton 74 of Syd Fox that I mentioned earlier 'The Old Nail', as seems likely? It went well enough!


Yep, an old re-worked Palliser and usually up towards the front with Syd at the wheel during 1977 and 1978 if not beyond.


#14 icarus

icarus
  • New Member

  • 28 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 10 May 2010 - 20:14

What was the Ton 74 of Syd Fox that I mentioned earlier 'The Old Nail', as seems likely? It went well enough!

If i remember right it went well enough to win a championship,was it in 1978?.I think the car was based on a Palliser F3 car,well set up and very well driven by Syd Fox

#15 arttidesco

arttidesco
  • Member

  • 6,453 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 11 May 2010 - 01:49

I have already mentioned this on another thread tonight but I am searching for the proverbial needle so I'll hope you'll forgive me for not missing the opportunity but does anyone know of a Formula 2000 car that raced in Zambia in the 1970's I think it was purple in colour matching an FF 1600 that raced at the same time between 1970 - 77 it would be great to confirm this car existed and find out any details anyone else has ? Apologies for hijacking the topic hope all 44 cars make it round Silverstone safely :-)



#16 Mallory Dan

Mallory Dan
  • Member

  • 3,066 posts
  • Joined: September 03

Posted 11 May 2010 - 13:02

Re the 11 marques, no Van Diemen nor Old Nail, Palliser, CTG, Lola or Merlyn. Royales were there, no-ones mentioned the other 4 yet. 3 of these were reasonably well known in period, the 4th is, I admit, a bit of a one-off.

Anyone else guessing??

#17 alansart

alansart
  • Member

  • 4,396 posts
  • Joined: March 07

Posted 11 May 2010 - 13:13

Anyone else guessing??


All I can think of from 77 is Tiga, Ray, Nomad. Was there an Osella?


#18 Tim Murray

Tim Murray
  • Moderator

  • 23,302 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 11 May 2010 - 14:00

Definitely Osella, plus Sark and Saracen, and wasn't the Palliser/Old Nail called Condor for a time?

#19 Giraffe

Giraffe
  • Member

  • 7,284 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 11 May 2010 - 14:34

No mention so far of the Javelin JL3 of John Lipman from 1976...... & the MRE of Bob Craig.......... & the Mallock U2 Mk18E...........

There was also the M.P.D. of Peter Cooke, and Rick Morris's Sarazin SF78 (as opposed to Saracen), & Chris Fearon's Titan Mk10.

Edited by Giraffe, 11 May 2010 - 14:56.


Advertisement

#20 Cirrus

Cirrus
  • Member

  • 1,727 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 11 May 2010 - 15:26

The Old Nail was known as a Condor for a while. The Javelin/Lipman, as far as I'm aware, became the Davron. Chris Fearon still owns the Titan, having rescued it from Mallory Park. I think you'll find that the MPD is actually the PMD (aka Penfold) which Mick Penfold built for Peter Cooke. That's the car which Iain Rowley is restoring.

I've never heard of a Sarazin, although Rick Morris did drive a Saracen which had been modified with a wide nose. I'll have to ask Peter Hampsheir about it next time I speak to him.


#21 Mallory Dan

Mallory Dan
  • Member

  • 3,066 posts
  • Joined: September 03

Posted 11 May 2010 - 17:03

You've got em chaps, the 4 missing were Titan, Ray, Nomad and Sark. The Poxon Osella wasn't entered there, the Tiga was originally, but Rob Wilson switched to a Reynard and won! I also doubt the "Sarazin", though Yves S was very quick in 1600s.

#22 Giraffe

Giraffe
  • Member

  • 7,284 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 11 May 2010 - 17:15

I also doubt the "Sarazin"


Me too Dan; support race for the 1978 Gold Cup & a probable programme error. :wave:


#23 MCS

MCS
  • Member

  • 4,378 posts
  • Joined: June 03

Posted 11 May 2010 - 19:11

Me too Dan; support race for the 1978 Gold Cup & a probable programme error. :wave:


Nomad? Was that the Phil Lloyd car?


#24 Giraffe

Giraffe
  • Member

  • 7,284 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 11 May 2010 - 19:23

Nomad? Was that the Phil Lloyd car?


It was indeed Mark, the Nomad IV Scholar which I have just found entered in a BAF round in July 1978 at Oulton. And lo and behold, entered by Oakley Coachbuilders / Sarazen Racing Cars in the same event is Rick Morris in a Sarazen SF78 Scholar, so it's unlikely to have been mispelt twice; Cirrus???



#25 Cirrus

Cirrus
  • Member

  • 1,727 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 12 May 2010 - 13:06

My guess is:- Same circuit=Same programme writer=Same confusion between Saracen and Yves Sarrazin

Edited by Cirrus, 12 May 2010 - 13:07.


#26 mikeallen

mikeallen
  • Member

  • 38 posts
  • Joined: November 13

Posted 22 February 2021 - 14:41

Cirrus re the Sarazin/Saracen Rick Morris car. Did you ever get to what Rick was driving? I'm writing up part 2 of Whatever Happened to the Gold Cup and really don't want to propagate a 1976 mis-spelling!!!!!!!

Regards

Mike Allen



#27 Cirrus

Cirrus
  • Member

  • 1,727 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 22 February 2021 - 14:52

Rick Morris definitely drove the Saracen FF2000. I'm 99.9% certain that Sarazin is a mis-spelling.



#28 Mallory Dan

Mallory Dan
  • Member

  • 3,066 posts
  • Joined: September 03

Posted 22 February 2021 - 19:31

Me too, Alan, definite typo! I wonder if the  season will provide a bigger grid/entry than 44. From what you tell me, its very possible



#29 Cirrus

Cirrus
  • Member

  • 1,727 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 22 February 2021 - 23:01

Me too, Alan, definite typo! I wonder if the  season will provide a bigger grid/entry than 44. From what you tell me, its very possible

 

Quite posssibly, Dan. We're up around 40 already for several of our races this year, with a number of expected entries still to come.