Welcome to the 1st Annual Atlas F1 Nostalgia Pantheon of Racers Nominations.
All members of the Atlas F1 Hall of Fame are automatically inducted into the Atlas F1 Nostalgia Forum Pantheon of Racers.
Rules are simple:
1) You may nominate any 10 (ten) Racers form any era or category not already in The AF1NFPoR.
2) You may make only one posting nominating your nominees for The AF1NFPoR.
3) Nominations close on 16 May when I lock this thread. Mark Jones is the Official Teller for the nominations to The AF1NFPoR. He will provide The Moderator with The Numbers. The top 10 will be inducted with Members of The AF1NF being selected to provide the appropriate "speeches" for the Racers being inducted.
4) Any questions, adjudications, interpretations, or whatever on this matter are strictly at the whim of The Moderator, who will do his best to impersonate J-M Balestre staring down Max & Bernie in 1982....
Ladies and Gentlemen, let the games begin...
OUTSTANDING! The Spirit of Gordon Murray is alive & well and present here on the AF1NF!!! f li gets the Gordon Murray Cup! Congratulations!!
Yes, you may edit your one posting to your heart's content, but what is there on 16 May is it. Plus, please limit it to a single posting and put the quaetions on the discussion thread, not here. I finally learned how to excise unneeded postings... heh heh...
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Yr fthfl & hmbl srvnt,
Don Capps
Semper Gumbi: If this was easy, we’d have the solution already…
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1st Annual Atlas F1 Nostalgia Forum Pantheon of Racers Nominations
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f li
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 10:00
May we edit our list as we "think'm through"?
I'm posting this based on that assumption.
1) T Nuvolari,
2) R Caracciola,
3) B Rosemeyer,
4) H Struck Sr,
5) J Behra,
6) M Gregory,<<---
7) S Moss,
8) C Amon,<<---
9) R Peterson,
10) S Bellof.
PS. It's either the Chapman award for innovative interpretation or the Clinton award for "I know what you mean, but I'll answer what you asked." I'm aspiring to true greatness - Gordon Murray doesn't cut it!
PPS. That Don is what this Hall is about - the people who won your heart!
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I'm posting this based on that assumption.
1) T Nuvolari,
2) R Caracciola,
3) B Rosemeyer,
4) H Struck Sr,
5) J Behra,
6) M Gregory,<<---
7) S Moss,
8) C Amon,<<---
9) R Peterson,
10) S Bellof.
PS. It's either the Chapman award for innovative interpretation or the Clinton award for "I know what you mean, but I'll answer what you asked." I'm aspiring to true greatness - Gordon Murray doesn't cut it!
PPS. That Don is what this Hall is about - the people who won your heart!
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Joe Fan
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 10:10
In alphabetical order:
1) Chris Amon-the unluckiest driver of all-time.
2) Rudolf Caracciola-pre-F1 great and three time Grand European champion. Won 16 major Grand Prix. Nuvolari's main rival.
3) Mark Donohue-scored a podium finish in his first F1 start. This has only been accomplished 13 times in F1's history. Winner of the 1972 Indy 500. Won quickly in anything that he ever drove. He could have been the greatest American driver of all-time had his career not been tragically cut short. He was the very first IROC champion in 1974 competing against the likes of Emerson Fittipaldi, Denny Hulme, A.J. Foyt, David Pearson, Richard Petty, etc.
4) A.J. Foyt-I seen where somebody voted for Rally driver Walter Rohrl so A.J. deserves some recognition. He won in Sprint Cars, Indy Cars, Sports Cars, Stock Cars and he was better than Dan Gurney in my opinion. Dan Gurney will have to wait until next year.
5) Masten Gregory-American pioneer who scored a podium finish in his very first F1 start at Monaco in 1957, America's first. Once again, it has only been done 13 times in F1 history and if you are good coming out of the blocks, then you are really good. He finished 6th in the WDC point standings in his rookie season running in only half of the races and competing in a privateer Maserati running up against the factory teams of Ferrari, Maserati, Vanwall and BRM. He was one of the first Americans to compete regularly in F1 and therefore helped pave the way for the Phil Hills, Dan Gurneys, Richie Ginthers, etc. The record book and statistics sadly do not reflect his outstanding driving talent as his best F1 ride was as a number 3 driver at Cooper in 1959. If he would have ever been lucky enough to land a top ride, he could have been an American icon like Foyt, Petty and Andretti. Jim Clark considered him his hero. Won Le Mans in 1965.
6) Jacky Ickx-arguably the greatest sports car driver of all-time but also was an outstanding great Grand Prix driver as well. Finished 2nd in the WDC twice in 1969 and 1970. Won eight F1 Grand Prix races as well as 13 poles. World Sports Car champion in 1982 and 1983. Won Le Mans a record six times. Also Rally raced as well.
7) Stirling Moss-greatest driver to never win a WDC. Proof that championships aren't always the best determinant of greatness. Great driver who lived to tell about it.
8) Jimmy Murphy-early 1920's Indy Car great who became the first American to win a European Grand Prix with an American car when he won the French Grand Prix in 1921. He also won the 1922 Indy 500 and was Indy Car champion in 1922 and 1924. He was killed in a race at Syracuse challenging for the lead in 1924. His racing career lasted only six seasons but what an outstanding six years it was. He still managed to win 19 Indy Car races in his very short career.
9) Tazio Nuvolari-the greatest driver of the pre-F1 era and perhaps of all-time. His accomplishments speak for themselves even fifty plus years ago.
10) Jean-Pierre Wimille-pre-F1 great. Would have been WDC in 1947 and 1948 if statistics were retroactively included into F1 history like they should. Killed in practice for the 1949 Buenos Aires GP. Won Le Mans in twice. Fangio was his protege, does that say enough?
It was tough leaving off Louis Chiron, Dan Gurney, Raymond Sommer, Pedro Rodriguez, Jules Goux, Tony Brooks and some others who look like they will get in any way but there is always next year. Don, can we induct ten more next year instead of five? With pre-war drivers and allowing current driver into the Pantheon there will be no shortage of excellent deserving drivers to choose from.
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1) Chris Amon-the unluckiest driver of all-time.
2) Rudolf Caracciola-pre-F1 great and three time Grand European champion. Won 16 major Grand Prix. Nuvolari's main rival.
3) Mark Donohue-scored a podium finish in his first F1 start. This has only been accomplished 13 times in F1's history. Winner of the 1972 Indy 500. Won quickly in anything that he ever drove. He could have been the greatest American driver of all-time had his career not been tragically cut short. He was the very first IROC champion in 1974 competing against the likes of Emerson Fittipaldi, Denny Hulme, A.J. Foyt, David Pearson, Richard Petty, etc.
4) A.J. Foyt-I seen where somebody voted for Rally driver Walter Rohrl so A.J. deserves some recognition. He won in Sprint Cars, Indy Cars, Sports Cars, Stock Cars and he was better than Dan Gurney in my opinion. Dan Gurney will have to wait until next year.
5) Masten Gregory-American pioneer who scored a podium finish in his very first F1 start at Monaco in 1957, America's first. Once again, it has only been done 13 times in F1 history and if you are good coming out of the blocks, then you are really good. He finished 6th in the WDC point standings in his rookie season running in only half of the races and competing in a privateer Maserati running up against the factory teams of Ferrari, Maserati, Vanwall and BRM. He was one of the first Americans to compete regularly in F1 and therefore helped pave the way for the Phil Hills, Dan Gurneys, Richie Ginthers, etc. The record book and statistics sadly do not reflect his outstanding driving talent as his best F1 ride was as a number 3 driver at Cooper in 1959. If he would have ever been lucky enough to land a top ride, he could have been an American icon like Foyt, Petty and Andretti. Jim Clark considered him his hero. Won Le Mans in 1965.
6) Jacky Ickx-arguably the greatest sports car driver of all-time but also was an outstanding great Grand Prix driver as well. Finished 2nd in the WDC twice in 1969 and 1970. Won eight F1 Grand Prix races as well as 13 poles. World Sports Car champion in 1982 and 1983. Won Le Mans a record six times. Also Rally raced as well.
7) Stirling Moss-greatest driver to never win a WDC. Proof that championships aren't always the best determinant of greatness. Great driver who lived to tell about it.
8) Jimmy Murphy-early 1920's Indy Car great who became the first American to win a European Grand Prix with an American car when he won the French Grand Prix in 1921. He also won the 1922 Indy 500 and was Indy Car champion in 1922 and 1924. He was killed in a race at Syracuse challenging for the lead in 1924. His racing career lasted only six seasons but what an outstanding six years it was. He still managed to win 19 Indy Car races in his very short career.
9) Tazio Nuvolari-the greatest driver of the pre-F1 era and perhaps of all-time. His accomplishments speak for themselves even fifty plus years ago.
10) Jean-Pierre Wimille-pre-F1 great. Would have been WDC in 1947 and 1948 if statistics were retroactively included into F1 history like they should. Killed in practice for the 1949 Buenos Aires GP. Won Le Mans in twice. Fangio was his protege, does that say enough?
It was tough leaving off Louis Chiron, Dan Gurney, Raymond Sommer, Pedro Rodriguez, Jules Goux, Tony Brooks and some others who look like they will get in any way but there is always next year. Don, can we induct ten more next year instead of five? With pre-war drivers and allowing current driver into the Pantheon there will be no shortage of excellent deserving drivers to choose from.
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Statesidefan
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 11:47
Hmmmmm....
Nuvolari
Behra
Moss
T. Brooks
Amon
Gurney
Peterson
Donohue
Villenueve
M Gregory
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"The strategy of a Formula One race is very simple. It's flat out from the minute the flag drops." Mario Andretti 1976
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Nuvolari
Behra
Moss
T. Brooks
Amon
Gurney
Peterson
Donohue
Villenueve
M Gregory
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"The strategy of a Formula One race is very simple. It's flat out from the minute the flag drops." Mario Andretti 1976
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Leif Snellman
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 13:05
S Bellof
R Caracciola
D Gurney
H Lang
S Moss
T Nuvolari
R Peterson
B Rosemeyer
A Varzi
G Villeneuve
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Leif Snellman
The Golden Era of Grand Prix Racing
R Caracciola
D Gurney
H Lang
S Moss
T Nuvolari
R Peterson
B Rosemeyer
A Varzi
G Villeneuve
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Leif Snellman
The Golden Era of Grand Prix Racing
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Keir
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 18:03
Here we go again,
Chris Amon
Innes Ireland
Mike Hailwood
Peter Revson
Masten Gregory, I'll always vote for a driver who wore glasses
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"I Was Born Ready"
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Chris Amon
Innes Ireland
Mike Hailwood
Peter Revson
Masten Gregory, I'll always vote for a driver who wore glasses
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"I Was Born Ready"
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Duane
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 18:14
Tazio Nuvolari
Rudolf Caracciola
Bernd Rosemeyer
Achille Varzi
Hans Stuck Snr.
Jean-Pierre Wimelle
Stirling Moss
Dan Gurney
Gilles Villeneuve
Stefan Bellof
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Rudolf Caracciola
Bernd Rosemeyer
Achille Varzi
Hans Stuck Snr.
Jean-Pierre Wimelle
Stirling Moss
Dan Gurney
Gilles Villeneuve
Stefan Bellof
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Ray Bell
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 07:33
My first three are all Australian... for the following reasons:
1. Allan Tomlinson. He won the 1939 Australian Grand Prix as part of an unbroken string of wins lasting over a year. Driving a self-built and developed MG TA, his lap times at Lobethal, the only circuit on which he raced that bears any comparison with anything else, nobody can understand. He supercharged the engine, built an alloy monoposto body, fitted a taller final drive, altered some aspects of the suspension, but retained most of the essentials of the original car, including completely standard brakes. "We decided that by reducing the weight we would improve braking performance that way." was the reasoning.
His racing began in 1936 in a Ford V8 coupe and ended against a tree at Lobethal in the opening hours of 1940 after coming across a limping backmarker over a crest at high speed.
Lap speeds at Lobethal were about 86mph.
2. Alf Barrett. I take this one on advisement, for many people I respect tell me he was better than Matich, better than any other Australian driver, and the photos of him in the Alfa Monza show some considerable class.
He was certainly the man to beat anywhere in Australia from the time he acquired this car late in 1938 until he sold it in the late forties, and it was never as successful with anyone else driving.
Incredibly capable, he raced on in an Alta and then other lesser cars, but looked back later in life at his time flying Spitfires as being more exciting. "Couldn't do that sort of thing in peacetime, what?" was his answer to Barry Lake when asked if he considered the war was a tremendous blow to his racing career.
Lap speed at Lobethal was 91.5mph, enough to make anyone wonder how good the timekeepers were...
3. Frank Kleinig. The challenger to Barrett as often as not, regarded by Barrett himself as the ultimate driver when a concentrated short burst was required as at a hillclimb. He did it all, however, in a car with a pedigree that was like that of a corgi crossed with a dalmation compared to Barrett's purebred Afghan.
Battling to make a pre-war Hudson 8 engine match cars up to the standard of a Lago Talbot, he was highly regarded by all. A real pity that his final (1954)incarnation of the car, which used an independent front end from a Peugeot and an offset rear end, never actually raced. The special lightweight battery showed up a manufacturing fault on the way to the start of its only race.
Lapped Lobethal at 91mph.
From out of left field, you might think, but there is no evidence that they each might not have mixed it with the best in Europe or anywhere. Barrett with Wimille? Tomlinson with Chiron? Kleinig with Nuvolari?
One never knows, but we must challenge the thought processes.
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Life and love are mixed with pain...
1. Allan Tomlinson. He won the 1939 Australian Grand Prix as part of an unbroken string of wins lasting over a year. Driving a self-built and developed MG TA, his lap times at Lobethal, the only circuit on which he raced that bears any comparison with anything else, nobody can understand. He supercharged the engine, built an alloy monoposto body, fitted a taller final drive, altered some aspects of the suspension, but retained most of the essentials of the original car, including completely standard brakes. "We decided that by reducing the weight we would improve braking performance that way." was the reasoning.
His racing began in 1936 in a Ford V8 coupe and ended against a tree at Lobethal in the opening hours of 1940 after coming across a limping backmarker over a crest at high speed.
Lap speeds at Lobethal were about 86mph.
2. Alf Barrett. I take this one on advisement, for many people I respect tell me he was better than Matich, better than any other Australian driver, and the photos of him in the Alfa Monza show some considerable class.
He was certainly the man to beat anywhere in Australia from the time he acquired this car late in 1938 until he sold it in the late forties, and it was never as successful with anyone else driving.
Incredibly capable, he raced on in an Alta and then other lesser cars, but looked back later in life at his time flying Spitfires as being more exciting. "Couldn't do that sort of thing in peacetime, what?" was his answer to Barry Lake when asked if he considered the war was a tremendous blow to his racing career.
Lap speed at Lobethal was 91.5mph, enough to make anyone wonder how good the timekeepers were...
3. Frank Kleinig. The challenger to Barrett as often as not, regarded by Barrett himself as the ultimate driver when a concentrated short burst was required as at a hillclimb. He did it all, however, in a car with a pedigree that was like that of a corgi crossed with a dalmation compared to Barrett's purebred Afghan.
Battling to make a pre-war Hudson 8 engine match cars up to the standard of a Lago Talbot, he was highly regarded by all. A real pity that his final (1954)incarnation of the car, which used an independent front end from a Peugeot and an offset rear end, never actually raced. The special lightweight battery showed up a manufacturing fault on the way to the start of its only race.
Lapped Lobethal at 91mph.
From out of left field, you might think, but there is no evidence that they each might not have mixed it with the best in Europe or anywhere. Barrett with Wimille? Tomlinson with Chiron? Kleinig with Nuvolari?
One never knows, but we must challenge the thought processes.
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Life and love are mixed with pain...
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BRG
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 07:33
BRG's contribution...
Szisz : the original GP winner, everyone since has just copied him...
Villeneuve G : charisma on wheels...
Cevert : France's lost champion, and racing's lost talent...
Ickx : Mr Le Mans, Mr Paddock Hill Bend in the wet.....
Dick Seaman : an innocent Englishman in the Nazi den....
Surtees : unique double champion...
Bell : Mr Sportscar....
Tony Brooks : put Britain in pole position in motor racing...
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BRG
"all the time, maximum attack"
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Szisz : the original GP winner, everyone since has just copied him...
Villeneuve G : charisma on wheels...
Cevert : France's lost champion, and racing's lost talent...
Ickx : Mr Le Mans, Mr Paddock Hill Bend in the wet.....
Dick Seaman : an innocent Englishman in the Nazi den....
Surtees : unique double champion...
Bell : Mr Sportscar....
Tony Brooks : put Britain in pole position in motor racing...
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BRG
"all the time, maximum attack"
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Lutz
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 21:29
Bernd Rosemeier
Gilles Villeneuve
Tazio Nuvolari
Stefan Bellof
Peter Collins
Stirling Moss
Francois Cevert
Achille Varzi
Wolfgang Graf Berghe von Trips
Rudolf Caracciola
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Gilles Villeneuve
Tazio Nuvolari
Stefan Bellof
Peter Collins
Stirling Moss
Francois Cevert
Achille Varzi
Wolfgang Graf Berghe von Trips
Rudolf Caracciola
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ZippyD
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Posted 02 May 2000 - 22:17
Remember everybody, Voting is a right not a privilege!!!
VIVE DEMOCRACY!!!!!!
Dan Gurney
Chris Amon
Innes Ireland
Gilles Villeneuve
Stirling Moss
Ronnie Peterson
Mark Donohue
Peter Revson
Brent Lunger(NOT!!!!!!)
Jackie Ickx
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"I want to tell you something, not about the others but about myself."
"When I saw something like that I used to go to pieces."
"But I'm older now. When I see something really terrible I put my foot down. HARD! Because I know the other person is lifting his."
"What a terrible way to win."
"Cher mademoiselle, there is no terrible way to win. There is only winning."
VIVE DEMOCRACY!!!!!!
Dan Gurney
Chris Amon
Innes Ireland
Gilles Villeneuve
Stirling Moss
Ronnie Peterson
Mark Donohue
Peter Revson
Brent Lunger(NOT!!!!!!)
Jackie Ickx
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"I want to tell you something, not about the others but about myself."
"When I saw something like that I used to go to pieces."
"But I'm older now. When I see something really terrible I put my foot down. HARD! Because I know the other person is lifting his."
"What a terrible way to win."
"Cher mademoiselle, there is no terrible way to win. There is only winning."
#12
Racer.Demon
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Posted 03 May 2000 - 06:19
In chronological order:
Vincenzo Lancia
Georges Boillot
Pietro Bordino
Tazio Nuvolari
Bernd Rosemeyer
Raymond Sommer
Froilan Gonzalez
Jean Behra
Ronnie Peterson
Gilles Villeneuve
Vincenzo Lancia
Georges Boillot
Pietro Bordino
Tazio Nuvolari
Bernd Rosemeyer
Raymond Sommer
Froilan Gonzalez
Jean Behra
Ronnie Peterson
Gilles Villeneuve
#13
The Sleeper
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Posted 03 May 2000 - 13:41
copy/paste:
1. Gilles Villeneuve
2. Ronnie Peterson
3. Stirling Moss
4. Tazio Nuvolari
5. Rudolf Caracciola
6. Bernd Rosemeyer
7. Manfred von Brauchitsch
8. Achille Varzi
9. Wolfgang von Trips
10. Rene Arnoux
Now that was an easy post on my way to full membership
1. Gilles Villeneuve
2. Ronnie Peterson
3. Stirling Moss
4. Tazio Nuvolari
5. Rudolf Caracciola
6. Bernd Rosemeyer
7. Manfred von Brauchitsch
8. Achille Varzi
9. Wolfgang von Trips
10. Rene Arnoux
Now that was an easy post on my way to full membership
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Jonathan
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Posted 03 May 2000 - 13:53
Gilles Villeneuve
Ronnie Peterson
Stirling Moss
Tazio Nuvolari
Rudolf Caracciola
Bernd Rosemeyer
Tom Pryce
Achille Varzi
Wolfgang von Trips
Patrick Depailler
Ronnie Peterson
Stirling Moss
Tazio Nuvolari
Rudolf Caracciola
Bernd Rosemeyer
Tom Pryce
Achille Varzi
Wolfgang von Trips
Patrick Depailler
#15
Antti
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Posted 03 May 2000 - 14:43
Pedro Rodriquez
Jacky Ickx
Stirling Moss
Mark Donahue
Bruce McLaren
Chris Amon
Francoise Cevert
Peter Revson
Mike Hailwood
Rene Arnoux
Jacky Ickx
Stirling Moss
Mark Donahue
Bruce McLaren
Chris Amon
Francoise Cevert
Peter Revson
Mike Hailwood
Rene Arnoux
#16
GaryG
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Posted 03 May 2000 - 21:15
Nuvolari
Carraciola
Rosemeyer
Wilber Shaw
Jacky Ickx
Moss
Bruce McLaren
Gurney
G Villeneuve
Dick Seaman
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Carraciola
Rosemeyer
Wilber Shaw
Jacky Ickx
Moss
Bruce McLaren
Gurney
G Villeneuve
Dick Seaman
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Roger Clark
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Posted 04 May 2000 - 00:53
1 Felice Nazarro, for bridging the gap between the Age of Monsters, and the 2litre cars of the 20s
2 Georges Baillot, for being the epitome of every quality this pantheon seeks to recognise
3 Antonio Ascari, for speed and for services to evolution
4 Tazio Nuvolari, for showing that genius is not too strong a word to apply to a racing driver
5 Rudolph Caracciola, for recovering from horrific injury and personal tragedy to become the most successful driver in an age of giants
6 Bernd Rosemeyer, for style
7 Froilan Gonzales, for the 1951 British Grand Prix
8 Stirling Moss, for being Stirling Moss
9 Archie Scott-Brown, for valour
10 Jackie Ickx, for being the only top driver to fight for the retention of the classic European circuits
2 Georges Baillot, for being the epitome of every quality this pantheon seeks to recognise
3 Antonio Ascari, for speed and for services to evolution
4 Tazio Nuvolari, for showing that genius is not too strong a word to apply to a racing driver
5 Rudolph Caracciola, for recovering from horrific injury and personal tragedy to become the most successful driver in an age of giants
6 Bernd Rosemeyer, for style
7 Froilan Gonzales, for the 1951 British Grand Prix
8 Stirling Moss, for being Stirling Moss
9 Archie Scott-Brown, for valour
10 Jackie Ickx, for being the only top driver to fight for the retention of the classic European circuits
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RedFever
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Posted 05 May 2000 - 03:21
Tazio Nuvolari
Rudolf Caracciola
Bernd Rosemeyer
Gilles Villeneuve
Ronnie Peterson
Carlos Reutemann
Stirling Moss
Elio DeAngelis
Rudolf Caracciola
Bernd Rosemeyer
Gilles Villeneuve
Ronnie Peterson
Carlos Reutemann
Stirling Moss
Elio DeAngelis
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Pascal
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Posted 05 May 2000 - 18:06
Louis Chiron
Rudolf Caracciola
Jean-Pierre Wimille
Tazio Nuvolari
Stirling Moss
Chris Amon
François Cevert
Jackie Ickx
Gilles Villeneuve
Stefan Bellof
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Rudolf Caracciola
Jean-Pierre Wimille
Tazio Nuvolari
Stirling Moss
Chris Amon
François Cevert
Jackie Ickx
Gilles Villeneuve
Stefan Bellof
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magnum
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Posted 06 May 2000 - 04:37
I feel guilty leaving some of my "heroes" out - but ... only 10 
In no order: but bear in mind I am Italian
1) Gilles
2) Mario Andretti
3) Chris Amon
4) A. Acsari
5) Nuvolari
6) Fangio
7) Stirling Moss
8) Ronnie Peterson
9) Jocehn Rindt
10) John Surtees
In no order: but bear in mind I am Italian
1) Gilles
2) Mario Andretti
3) Chris Amon
4) A. Acsari
5) Nuvolari
6) Fangio
7) Stirling Moss
8) Ronnie Peterson
9) Jocehn Rindt
10) John Surtees
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Falcadore
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Posted 06 May 2000 - 12:38
As the Teller of the AF1NFPoR I need a few people to clarify their votes.
magnum - you voted for A.Ascari. Do you mean Alberto or Antonio?
I'm also making a few assumptions. Anyone who voted for Hans Stuck I assume will be Hans Stuck Senior, and that any voting for Hans Stuck Junior will specify 'Junior'.
Similarly a few have voted for Villeneuve. I'm assuming in those cases that those votes are for Gilles Villeneuve as Jacques Villeneuve is already in the AF1NFPoR as the 1997 Formula One World Champion.
Also, those who have voted for Mario Andretti, Alberto Ascari, Jim Clark, Juan Manuel Fangio and John Surtees, these drivers were all Formula One World Champions and are already inducted into the AF1NFPoR.
For those who don't know the following (member of the Atlas F1 Hall of Fame) are already inducted into the AF1NFPoR, Guiseppe Farina, Juan Manuel Fangio, Alberto Ascari, Mike Hawthorn, Jack Brabham, Phil Hill, Graham Hill, Jim Clark, John Surtees, Denny Hulme, Jackie Stewart, Jochen Rindt, Emerson Fittipaldi, Niki Lauda, James Hunt, Mario Andretti, Jody Scheckter, Alan Jones, Nelson Piquet, Keke Rosberg, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, Nigel Mansell, Michael Schumacher, Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve and Mika Hakkinen.
sorry to bring this up but the statistician in me demands that such a noble purpose must be done right.
magnum - you voted for A.Ascari. Do you mean Alberto or Antonio?
I'm also making a few assumptions. Anyone who voted for Hans Stuck I assume will be Hans Stuck Senior, and that any voting for Hans Stuck Junior will specify 'Junior'.
Similarly a few have voted for Villeneuve. I'm assuming in those cases that those votes are for Gilles Villeneuve as Jacques Villeneuve is already in the AF1NFPoR as the 1997 Formula One World Champion.
Also, those who have voted for Mario Andretti, Alberto Ascari, Jim Clark, Juan Manuel Fangio and John Surtees, these drivers were all Formula One World Champions and are already inducted into the AF1NFPoR.
For those who don't know the following (member of the Atlas F1 Hall of Fame) are already inducted into the AF1NFPoR, Guiseppe Farina, Juan Manuel Fangio, Alberto Ascari, Mike Hawthorn, Jack Brabham, Phil Hill, Graham Hill, Jim Clark, John Surtees, Denny Hulme, Jackie Stewart, Jochen Rindt, Emerson Fittipaldi, Niki Lauda, James Hunt, Mario Andretti, Jody Scheckter, Alan Jones, Nelson Piquet, Keke Rosberg, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, Nigel Mansell, Michael Schumacher, Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve and Mika Hakkinen.
sorry to bring this up but the statistician in me demands that such a noble purpose must be done right.
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Marcel Schot
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Posted 09 May 2000 - 15:47
Rudolf Caracciola
Tazio Nuvolari
Bernd Rosemeyer
Stirling Moss
Peter Collins
Gilles Villeneuve
Ronnie Peterson
Jackie Ickx
Carlos Reutemann
Stefan Bellof
Tazio Nuvolari
Bernd Rosemeyer
Stirling Moss
Peter Collins
Gilles Villeneuve
Ronnie Peterson
Jackie Ickx
Carlos Reutemann
Stefan Bellof
#23
SteveB2
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Posted 12 May 2000 - 04:48
Okay here goes,
Three categories:
Pre-war (The big 3 IMO):
1. Tazio Nuvolari
2. Rudolf Caracciola
3. Bernd Rosemeyer
Personal Favorites (ignoring (some) limited GP careers + weighted with American provicialism):
4. Dan Gurney
5. Masten Gregory
6. Mark Donahue
Post-war-obvious
7. Stirling Moss
8. Gilles Villeneuve
Post-War-less obvious (for me, hardest to narrow down... so last.)
9. Bruce McLaren
10. Stefan Bellof
Three categories:
Pre-war (The big 3 IMO):
1. Tazio Nuvolari
2. Rudolf Caracciola
3. Bernd Rosemeyer
Personal Favorites (ignoring (some) limited GP careers + weighted with American provicialism):
4. Dan Gurney
5. Masten Gregory
6. Mark Donahue
Post-war-obvious
7. Stirling Moss
8. Gilles Villeneuve
Post-War-less obvious (for me, hardest to narrow down... so last.)
9. Bruce McLaren
10. Stefan Bellof
#24
luisfelipetrigo
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Posted 12 May 2000 - 21:41
Pedro Rodriguez
Francoise Cevert
Peter Revson
Carlos Reuteman
Masten Gregory
Mark Donahue
Jacky Ickx
Ronnie Peterson
Chris Amon
Mike Hailwood
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Saludos
Luis Felipe
Francoise Cevert
Peter Revson
Carlos Reuteman
Masten Gregory
Mark Donahue
Jacky Ickx
Ronnie Peterson
Chris Amon
Mike Hailwood
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Saludos
Luis Felipe
#25
Ray Bell
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Posted 13 May 2000 - 05:03
Following upon my earlier three nominations, I will add (at the eleventh hour):
Louis Chiron, whose career spanned dominance in the twenties, subjegation in the thirties and mature reverence in the forties. His family may never forgive me, for they never forgave him for driving for the Germans.
Richard Seaman for the flair and speed he showed, and the tolerance of living in his times. Like Chiron, a victim of the third Reich and family attitudes, he nevertheless won on the Nurburgring in the days of the giants.
Raymond Sommer for that drive at Spa. No matter what else he did (AUSTRIA will love this!), he one day humbled the greatest Grand Prix team of his day in a privately owned Lago... based (it is loosely said) on a pre-war truck.
Stan Jones, not for fathering Alan, but for the determination he showed trying to win the Australian Grand Prix. Still competitive in the days of the Coopers, his career spanned 15 years of the most diverse racing in the world - and his name was always out in front.
Ted Gray. A name not mentioned often in this forum, but a worthy one. Ted was a regular in midgets in the early forties, graduated to various versions of Altas, then Altas carrying ohv-converted Ford V8s. Out of this came the mighty Tornado, ultimately stuffed full of an early Chevy with home made fuel injection. Helped along by Lou Abrahams and PBR, he was in the box seat to win the 58 AGP from Maserati and Ferrari when a weld let go. His comeback from the 150mph crash on conrod in the mid fifties was an act of bravery, too.
One day at Lakeside a pale blue Brabham was steaking away from the field, building a seven second lead in as many laps, with only Tim Mayer still in sight. Behind them came McLaren, Brabham and all the other locals.. At Warwick Farm that same Brabham had stormed past Brabham to lead the same classy bunch. The driver, Frank Matich, was already the top Sports Car runner in the country, he was now the leading open wheeler driver and confirmed both over the next eight years by dominating the outright records and showing the way when F5000 arrived.
Ricardo Rodgriguez should get a mention here. At an age when others were still getting out of go-karts, he was leading GPs - or at least fighting for pole position.
Pedro, of course, matured considerably more. But I've used up my seven on the others and he'll have to wait for next year.
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Life and love are mixed with pain...
Louis Chiron, whose career spanned dominance in the twenties, subjegation in the thirties and mature reverence in the forties. His family may never forgive me, for they never forgave him for driving for the Germans.
Richard Seaman for the flair and speed he showed, and the tolerance of living in his times. Like Chiron, a victim of the third Reich and family attitudes, he nevertheless won on the Nurburgring in the days of the giants.
Raymond Sommer for that drive at Spa. No matter what else he did (AUSTRIA will love this!), he one day humbled the greatest Grand Prix team of his day in a privately owned Lago... based (it is loosely said) on a pre-war truck.
Stan Jones, not for fathering Alan, but for the determination he showed trying to win the Australian Grand Prix. Still competitive in the days of the Coopers, his career spanned 15 years of the most diverse racing in the world - and his name was always out in front.
Ted Gray. A name not mentioned often in this forum, but a worthy one. Ted was a regular in midgets in the early forties, graduated to various versions of Altas, then Altas carrying ohv-converted Ford V8s. Out of this came the mighty Tornado, ultimately stuffed full of an early Chevy with home made fuel injection. Helped along by Lou Abrahams and PBR, he was in the box seat to win the 58 AGP from Maserati and Ferrari when a weld let go. His comeback from the 150mph crash on conrod in the mid fifties was an act of bravery, too.
One day at Lakeside a pale blue Brabham was steaking away from the field, building a seven second lead in as many laps, with only Tim Mayer still in sight. Behind them came McLaren, Brabham and all the other locals.. At Warwick Farm that same Brabham had stormed past Brabham to lead the same classy bunch. The driver, Frank Matich, was already the top Sports Car runner in the country, he was now the leading open wheeler driver and confirmed both over the next eight years by dominating the outright records and showing the way when F5000 arrived.
Ricardo Rodgriguez should get a mention here. At an age when others were still getting out of go-karts, he was leading GPs - or at least fighting for pole position.
Pedro, of course, matured considerably more. But I've used up my seven on the others and he'll have to wait for next year.
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Life and love are mixed with pain...
#26
Falcadore
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Posted 13 May 2000 - 16:12
The clock is ticking boys and girls - only another three days to nominations close. About time I stuck my nominations in. I've nominated a couple of steerers from further afield than most, but I thought why not?
Stefan Bellof - One very wet day in Monaco a car was scything through the field making lap times race leader, Alain Prost could not achieve. His charge through the field towards the lead was ended prematurly by a red flag. story sound familiar? It's Bellofs story just as much as it was Senna's.
Mick Doohan - The greatest motorcycle racer of all time. Five consecutive world titles is a feat unmatched, if this reporter recalls correctly, in any branch of Motorsport, although Tommi Makinen could well change that this year. Is it entirely a co-incidence the the quality of racing in 500cc's goes up after Mick retired?
Dan Gurney - quick in everything.
Jacky Ickx - He won in Formula One, redinfied what it was to be a sportscar racer, became king of Le Mans, and even found time to pop down here to win the 1977 Bathurst 1000 (although his involvement was rather controversial). Versatile and fast.
Frank Matich - Comedy duo & sports commentators H.G. Nelson and Roy Slaven once suggested the Jack Brabham had never quite fulfilled his potential. If he'd stayed in Australia he could have been almost as good as Frank Matich. While a frivalous line, it's not completely unrepresentative of the respect the Australian industry has for Matich.
Stirling Moss - There are two words which capture perfectly what Moss is to motorsport. They are 'Stirling' and 'Moss'.
Tazio Nuvolari - Who am I to disagree? As holder of the spreadsheet of fame, I see the votes for him stack up and agree whole-heartedly.
Ronnie Peterson - Great unrewarded talent of the 70's.
Pedro Rodriguez - While his time in Formula One was about to pass him by I suspect he was a holy terror in the sports cars.
Walter Rohrl - While some of his comments, particularly about Michelle Mouton's chances in rallying were questionable, it's not his personality we're celebrating. And jeez he was quick.
and there's so many that had to be left out. Next year guys 'n' gals
Stefan Bellof - One very wet day in Monaco a car was scything through the field making lap times race leader, Alain Prost could not achieve. His charge through the field towards the lead was ended prematurly by a red flag. story sound familiar? It's Bellofs story just as much as it was Senna's.
Mick Doohan - The greatest motorcycle racer of all time. Five consecutive world titles is a feat unmatched, if this reporter recalls correctly, in any branch of Motorsport, although Tommi Makinen could well change that this year. Is it entirely a co-incidence the the quality of racing in 500cc's goes up after Mick retired?
Dan Gurney - quick in everything.
Jacky Ickx - He won in Formula One, redinfied what it was to be a sportscar racer, became king of Le Mans, and even found time to pop down here to win the 1977 Bathurst 1000 (although his involvement was rather controversial). Versatile and fast.
Frank Matich - Comedy duo & sports commentators H.G. Nelson and Roy Slaven once suggested the Jack Brabham had never quite fulfilled his potential. If he'd stayed in Australia he could have been almost as good as Frank Matich. While a frivalous line, it's not completely unrepresentative of the respect the Australian industry has for Matich.
Stirling Moss - There are two words which capture perfectly what Moss is to motorsport. They are 'Stirling' and 'Moss'.
Tazio Nuvolari - Who am I to disagree? As holder of the spreadsheet of fame, I see the votes for him stack up and agree whole-heartedly.
Ronnie Peterson - Great unrewarded talent of the 70's.
Pedro Rodriguez - While his time in Formula One was about to pass him by I suspect he was a holy terror in the sports cars.
Walter Rohrl - While some of his comments, particularly about Michelle Mouton's chances in rallying were questionable, it's not his personality we're celebrating. And jeez he was quick.
and there's so many that had to be left out. Next year guys 'n' gals
#27
KzKiwi
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Posted 14 May 2000 - 07:53
My top ten nominations for 'racers' are as follows, in alphabetical order
Chris Amon - a classic case of statistics distorting the truth.
Jean Behra - He just never gave in, ever.
Stefan Bellof - This guy had spirit, regardless of where or what he drove.
Georges Boillot - A founding member of the 110 % club.
Patrick Depailler - the little Frenchman with the big heart who lived for the day. He was born into the wrong era.
Tazio Nuvolari - Anyone who turns his lights off while racing at night, to catch, surprise and pass his greatest rival, gets my vote.
Pedro Rodriguez - One who blazed a trail and left to quickly.
Ricardo Rodriguez - If only he had hung around to nurture his will to race and win.
Bernd Rosemeyer - Second to none as a 'racer'
par excellence.
Gilles Villenueve - To think he was crazy is to misinterpret the man. Fantastic car control.
Let the vote counting begin and the constructive criticism flow!!! Roll on next year!
Chris Amon - a classic case of statistics distorting the truth.
Jean Behra - He just never gave in, ever.
Stefan Bellof - This guy had spirit, regardless of where or what he drove.
Georges Boillot - A founding member of the 110 % club.
Patrick Depailler - the little Frenchman with the big heart who lived for the day. He was born into the wrong era.
Tazio Nuvolari - Anyone who turns his lights off while racing at night, to catch, surprise and pass his greatest rival, gets my vote.
Pedro Rodriguez - One who blazed a trail and left to quickly.
Ricardo Rodriguez - If only he had hung around to nurture his will to race and win.
Bernd Rosemeyer - Second to none as a 'racer'
par excellence.
Gilles Villenueve - To think he was crazy is to misinterpret the man. Fantastic car control.
Let the vote counting begin and the constructive criticism flow!!! Roll on next year!
#28
Fast One
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Posted 14 May 2000 - 09:32
Since WDC's automatically get in, the Atlas HoF is exclusively a post-war list. I think, therefore , that the Pantheon of racers needs to consist of a considerable number of pre-war drivers, who never had a chance to be WDC. With that in mind, I nominate:
1. Emile Lavassor, motor racing's first hero, and the first driver to win a major motor race in a car of his own construction. Without the huge impression he made, we might all be watching bowling;
2. Felice Nazzaro, who was arguably the greatest of his time;
3. Rudolf Caracciola, the greatest driver on history's greatest team;
4. Jean-Pierre Wimille, who would have been the first WDC if they had only called it that. He tutored fangio, which alone ought to gain him admission;
5. Stirling Moss. Being the second best driver on an earth that included Fangio is no shame. Enormous talent, class, and dignity, and an inspiration for several generations of great British drivers who followed;
6. Tazio Nuvolari, perhaps the greatest in history at outdriving his car. The story of his 1930 Mille Miglia win, in the first car magazine I ever bought, inspired me to a love affair with racing;
7. Louis Chiron. Speed, class, and the ability to bring it home. One of the giants of the era between the wars;
8. Peter Collins, not just for being a great driver (which he undoubtedly was), but for committing the greatest single act of sportsmanship in the history of auto racing, when he handed his car and his World Championship to Fangio at Monza;
9. Clay Reggazoni, my hero of the 70s, who came within a single point of automatic admission in the closest championship year in history, and whose post-accident racing career stands as a monument to the passion for racing, and to the human spirit;
and finally, 10. It would have been Our Man Dan Gurney, but Joe got me thinking, and reading...and there's nothing wrong with giving the nod to a great cause. So it's Masten Gregory, a man with amazing talent, who paved the way for the greatest generation of American drivers. Anyone who could inspire Jim Clark gains admission in my book. This one's for you, Joe.
1. Emile Lavassor, motor racing's first hero, and the first driver to win a major motor race in a car of his own construction. Without the huge impression he made, we might all be watching bowling;
2. Felice Nazzaro, who was arguably the greatest of his time;
3. Rudolf Caracciola, the greatest driver on history's greatest team;
4. Jean-Pierre Wimille, who would have been the first WDC if they had only called it that. He tutored fangio, which alone ought to gain him admission;
5. Stirling Moss. Being the second best driver on an earth that included Fangio is no shame. Enormous talent, class, and dignity, and an inspiration for several generations of great British drivers who followed;
6. Tazio Nuvolari, perhaps the greatest in history at outdriving his car. The story of his 1930 Mille Miglia win, in the first car magazine I ever bought, inspired me to a love affair with racing;
7. Louis Chiron. Speed, class, and the ability to bring it home. One of the giants of the era between the wars;
8. Peter Collins, not just for being a great driver (which he undoubtedly was), but for committing the greatest single act of sportsmanship in the history of auto racing, when he handed his car and his World Championship to Fangio at Monza;
9. Clay Reggazoni, my hero of the 70s, who came within a single point of automatic admission in the closest championship year in history, and whose post-accident racing career stands as a monument to the passion for racing, and to the human spirit;
and finally, 10. It would have been Our Man Dan Gurney, but Joe got me thinking, and reading...and there's nothing wrong with giving the nod to a great cause. So it's Masten Gregory, a man with amazing talent, who paved the way for the greatest generation of American drivers. Anyone who could inspire Jim Clark gains admission in my book. This one's for you, Joe.
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Lee Roy
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Posted 15 May 2000 - 09:31
Put me down for the great Masten Gregory.
Lee Roy
Lee Roy
#30
Don Capps
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Posted 16 May 2000 - 08:40
And my nominations are:
First, the Easy Ones:
Tazio Nuvolari
Stirling Moss
Bernd Rosemeyer
A.J Foyt
Rudi Caracciola
Dan Gurney
Gilles Villeneuve
Then it gets Impossible! However, I decided the hell with "analysis" and went with my heart:
Masten Gregory
Chris Amon
Stefan Bellof
The Clock is Ticking! The nominations close in literally hours....
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Yr fthfl & hmbl srvnt,
Don Capps
Semper Gumbi: If this was easy, we’d have the solution already…
[This message has been edited by Don Capps (edited 05-16-2000).]
First, the Easy Ones:
Tazio Nuvolari
Stirling Moss
Bernd Rosemeyer
A.J Foyt
Rudi Caracciola
Dan Gurney
Gilles Villeneuve
Then it gets Impossible! However, I decided the hell with "analysis" and went with my heart:
Masten Gregory
Chris Amon
Stefan Bellof
The Clock is Ticking! The nominations close in literally hours....
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Yr fthfl & hmbl srvnt,
Don Capps
Semper Gumbi: If this was easy, we’d have the solution already…
[This message has been edited by Don Capps (edited 05-16-2000).]
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MattSmith
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Posted 16 May 2000 - 22:48
1) Dan Gurney
2) Chris Amon
3) Pedro Rodriguez
4) Gilles Villeneuve
5) Bruce Mclaren
6) Masten Gregory
7) Stirling Moss
8) Jackie Ickx
9) Mark Donahue
And can`t think of anyone else for 10
2) Chris Amon
3) Pedro Rodriguez
4) Gilles Villeneuve
5) Bruce Mclaren
6) Masten Gregory
7) Stirling Moss
8) Jackie Ickx
9) Mark Donahue
And can`t think of anyone else for 10
