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[Brian O Flaherty]

Villes Gilleneuve, on Feb 16 2011, 18:07, said:

It's obvious many things confuse you.
Don't confuse hate with indifference.

That's out of order. He says he doesn't hate a driver. You then turn it around inaccurately by saying people who 'like' everyone have no taste. He never said he 'likes' everyone, just that he doesn't hate anyone. It was originally you who forgot that there can be a middle ground of 'indifference'. Not him.

[That1994AlfaWasSoFast]

First Post , long time lurker tho

1: As much as I hate to admit it, put all the drivers in equal cars 1 lap shoot out. and I think Vettel is the fastest current driver.

2: The day senna died, I was at a petrol station with my Mum , stranded, as she had put diesel in her petrol polo,didnt see race.

3: We spent a shed load of money to be at the Rockingham 500 in 2001, and it was a shambles.

4: I think the ROC is ****, too tight, too short, too much hype

5: I rather like v8 Supercars

[Risil]

Victor_RO, on Feb 15 2011, 08:34, said:

Major question: with the Knickerbrook corner or the chicane?

Good question, one that came to mind just after I'd posted. Ideally we wouldn't have any chicanes at all, but they calmed down Hella-Licht at the Osterreichring and Dingle Dell at Brands Hatch without really impacting on the magnitude of the circuits. IMO it would be worse for the circuit as a whole to cut down a bunch of trees and add an acre of runoff, or whatever. But make it a fast chicane, not a busstop that at least on bikes causes more accidents and nasty highsides than it presents. Another confession: there are chicanes and there are chicanes. The Ascari chicane at Monza has a place in a great race circuit; Della Roggia and Rettifilo do not.

[mtdd]

I know the square root of **** all about F1: I just think the cars have a great feng shui about them.

signed:
Zen Master

[Callisto]

Villes Gilleneuve, on Feb 16 2011, 17:07, said:

It's obvious many things confuse you.
Don't confuse hate with indifference.

Im not the one thats confused

Brian O Flaherty, on Feb 16 2011, 17:14, said:

That's out of order. He says he doesn't hate a driver. You then turn it around inaccurately by saying people who 'like' everyone have no taste. He never said he 'likes' everyone, just that he doesn't hate anyone. It was originally you who forgot that there can be a middle ground of 'indifference'. Not him.

Thank you i couldnt have put it better myself

[Talisman]

I used to think Maclaren pushchairs was a subsiduary of McLaren F1. Ok I was about 8 or 9 at the time...

[BullHead]

Ha! I wish they were...

[Seanspeed]

freya, on Feb 16 2011, 10:41, said:

-This sport has the tendency to remove the likes of montoya or kimi or infact anyone with character and replace them with boys like vettel.

While I agree with your overall sentiment, I find it very strange to use Vettel as an example, since he's probably more in-line with the more characterful drivers of the past than pretty much anybody in recent history.

Edited by Seanspeed, 17 February 2011 - 21:07.

[BullHead]

Yeah I agree with said sentiment entirely, and instead of suggesting Vettel, said Lewis.

Vettel has lost his character somewhat though, since mid 2009. The pressure, and smell of championship glory I guess... Hopefully, now a champ, he'll lighten up again.

Edited by BullHead, 17 February 2011 - 21:11.

[jonolynn]

i think that neither of the spanish tracks deserve a place in F1

[HPT]

King Six, on Jan 21 2011, 02:06, said:

I don't really do that, but I can see where some people are coming from.

I've been a member of McLaren (Don't know if it's still going or expired...I got some cool stuff...it was around 2008) and I've bought stuff from their store (merchandise)

I can say I've contributed towards the teams funding and operation. However little. If I wanted to, I could say "we" without feeling completely lame, just quite lame.

That still doesn't make sense though. I'm a member of my local golf club. I purchase golfing merchandise from the pro shop, pay the monthly membership fee and have a membership card with my picture on it. I can't go around saying "Oh we just renovated our golf course and added another nine holes." There is simply no "we". Football fans do that and I confess it bugs the hell out of me.

Back to F1 confession:

- I think Kimi is WAY over rated. Good driver, no doubt, but doesn't deserve half the praise (and money) he's gotten.
- I used to dislike Mark Webber, but now find myself rooting for him.
- I used to dislike Schumacher, but now find myself willing him to beat Rosberg.
- I used to dislike Hamilton, and still do. But he'd still be my top 2 choices in drivers if I were a team principal.
- I think Vettel looks like that Sam kid from Glee. I like Sam's character more than Vettel, mostly because he has put his fingers to a better use - playing the guitar.
- I cringe everytime Barrichello does his silly podium "slip". Solely for that reason I hope he never gets on the podium again, ever. His whining doesn't help either.
- It bothered me greatly what Alonso did to Hamilton at Hungary 2007. I didn't know if I could support him anymore. But after finding out about what triggered it, I've slowly forgiven him.
- Even though I relish excitement and challenge, I secretly wish for a dominant Ferrari for Alonso. I wouldn't mind the slightest if he wins another 10 WDCs in Schumacher's 2004 style.

[Watkins74]

^

I confess to being curious about the woman "HPT" has cropped out of his avatar.

No disrespect to "HPT' or the lady is intended.

Edited by Watkins74, 18 February 2011 - 05:44.

[bimmeric]

- Vettel is the most overrated driver in F1
- watching the dominant Red-Bull take 15 poles this year was dull
- after 2 years of the new regs it's clear they should have stuck to the old regs, they have to add gimmicks like KERS and adjustable rear wings which would have worked on the old aero spec and I liked the old running order with McLaren and Ferrari evenly matched instead of the last two years with one team getting a run on the field and having an incredible car leaving everyone else to basically fight for their scraps
- leave the rules alone, every time there is a big rule shift theres a chance for a team to dominate and for a dull season, the more consistent the regs the closer the teams will be and it saves costs
- F1 should have V8's or bigger, it's a RACE CAR I watch race cars to see screaming engines like in the Ferrari's and Lamborghini's I day dreamed about as a teenager, I don't watch F1 to be reminded of the piddly 4 banger most people drive on a daily basis
- Nick Heidfeld is the most underrated F1 driver on the current grid
- I used to dislike Hamilton but after half a season in a crap McLaren I grew to like him

[tifosiMac]

Racing confessions??

Err I once took a wee through a newspaper on the banking at Stowe.... Nobody knew, until now.

[Tufty]

tifosiMac, on Feb 18 2011, 09:29, said:

Racing confessions??

Err I once took a wee through a newspaper on the banking at Stowe.... Nobody knew, until now.

[flyer121]

tifosiMac, on Feb 18 2011, 09:29, said:

Racing confessions??

Err I once took a wee through a newspaper on the banking at Stowe.... Nobody knew, until now.

Did any one lose grip on wet curbs ?

[tifosiMac]

flyer121, on Feb 18 2011, 10:26, said:

Did any one lose grip on wet curbs ?

No but the guy who said "can I have a read of your newspaper" got a surprise..... It was time to make my way to Abbey.

[HPT]

Watkins74, on Feb 18 2011, 13:42, said:

^

I confess to being curious about the woman "HPT" has cropped out of his avatar.

No disrespect to "HPT' or the lady is intended.

None taken. In fact she asked me why I cropped her out as well
Curious about what she looks like? Well, take a look I've just changed the photo to one which includes her.

[EERO]

I hated Senna. Passionately. When he died I went into a terrible funk and wished I could take back every bad thought I ever had.

I thought Gilles was overrated. I even saw his brilliant win at the Glen in the rain in '79 and I still failed to understand the adoration.

I never thought the south loop at the Nurbugring was so bad-but the new first turn complex is awful.

I haven't seen a decent livery on an F1 car since the 90's.

I believe F1 is a Eurpoean sport and I am tired fly-away races to Mickey Mouse tracks with empty stands broiling under the sun.

[george1981]

Talisman, on Feb 17 2011, 19:48, said:

I used to think Maclaren pushchairs was a subsiduary of McLaren F1. Ok I was about 8 or 9 at the time...

My Mum tells me this nearly every race, despite me telling her there is no connection.

[bourbon]

I think the Red Bull livery is the best looking livery in the history of F1.

[plastik2k9]

Nustang70, on Feb 13 2011, 04:52, said:

Formula One racing is boring to watch. I don't know why I am obsessed with it. And I'm dumbfounded that hundreds of millions of people watch it worldwide.

This is so true for me. I find myself totally unable to miss an F1 race or qualifying session, and my heart is pounding from the official F1 intro 5 minutes from the start of the race to the end of the first lap.. and then gradually I start to think of why on earth I'm watching. Cars drifting further apart, lap after lap of split timings appearing on screen, and cars endlessly circulating; why are millions of people watching this? And yet I can't turn it off or even leave for the bathroom.

Another confession for me is my incredible desire for crashes. The adrenaline rush from witnessing Mark Webber's crash in Valencia live was unforgettable. I think most of my pre-race excitement comes from the thought of possible chaos on the opening lap, and part of me is just waiting for the yellow flag graphic to appear during the race; and when it does, I can't wait to see what has caused it.

I also suffer from 'rain frustration', whereby when the possibility of rain is discussed in a race, I become increasingly angry when it doesn't appear. "Rain in 10 minutes".. 20 minutes passes..

[Incast]

- Until the 2005 season I believed Fisichella was championship winning material. I thought he would challenge Alonso at Renault. Oops.
- I think its tragic that Jerez is no longer used by Formula 1 as either of the Spanish races.
- The A1-Ring produced spectacular racing every single season it was in use, and for me has been the biggest loss for F1 in terms of tracks since Paul Ricard was dropped from the 1991 calendar.
- Teams should not be 'reborn' into F1. The real team Lotus closed at the end of the 1994 season. Using their name is no more legitimate than Force India rebranding as Brabham and HRT becoming Cooper.

And I also was very confused as a child as to why McLaren were producing pushchairs! Glad it wasn't just me!

Edited by Incast, 19 February 2011 - 22:57.

[abc02]

I think:

-Red Bull will dominate F1 for the next two years at least.
-Classic tracks like Spa and Suzuka are just as capable of holding a boring race as the likes of Abu Dhabi and Valencia.
-Races from the 80's and 90's weren't any more or less exciting than races today.
-Ayrton Senna was brilliant but slightly overrated.
-Button can only beat Hamilton if the Pirellis slow Hamilton down. His alleged tire conservation skills won't do him any good over a whole season if he's still slower than Lewis.
-The parc ferme rules should be done away with. Letting the cars qualify in order of race pace isn't a good idea.
-The new Mclaren is hideous.
-The new Toro Rosso is gorgeous.

Edited by abc02, 20 February 2011 - 01:01.

[wati]

Would like to see F1 racing at Adelaide again.

[Andrew Hope]

- I have yet to see any car capable of making the 'Gulf' livery look good. Reckon it's pretty ugly, actually.

- The Lister Storm was one of the prettiest race cars ever. She wore all colors well, but looked best in green & yellow.

- I always hope for a massive first-corner accident at the beginning of each GP. Though I obviously don't want to see anyone hurt, my eyes are always focused on the background when the camera switches, and part of me hopes to see some backmarker flipping end over end and out of frame.

[Watkins74]

HPT, on Feb 19 2011, 07:18, said:

None taken. In fact she asked me why I cropped her out as well
Curious about what she looks like? Well, take a look I've just changed the photo to one which includes her.

Pretty! Thanks for taking it in the spirit it was intended.

[Sevach]

Williams should've bent over for BMW.

The separation was bad for both parts, and now they have to bend over for Hugo Chaves.

[domhnall]

I wish NASCAR races were shorter
I liked the English Patient, veeerrrry confusing and boring and very far-fetched. It was my kind of film!

[Richard T]

I once had a wee in Eau Rouge, literally

[BCM]

F1 drivers arent the best of the best. Why? Unlike something like football, there is a significant barrier to entry ($$) So the pool of people who can even get their foot on the bottom of the motorsport rung is small to begin with. Hell, even then the best don't necessarily make it to f1. It's the richest or the most connected.

Edited by BCM, 24 February 2011 - 14:51.

[Owen]

I have a sneaking suspicion that to be a successful F1 driver you have to be slightly mentally ill. Just a suspicion.

[BullHead]

Yeah, I think so. No sense of self preservation

[Villes Gilleneuve]

plastik2k9, on Feb 19 2011, 21:21, said:

This is so true for me. I find myself totally unable to miss an F1 race or qualifying session, and my heart is pounding from the official F1 intro 5 minutes from the start of the race to the end of the first lap.. and then gradually I start to think of why on earth I'm watching. Cars drifting further apart, lap after lap of split timings appearing on screen, and cars endlessly circulating; why are millions of people watching this? And yet I can't turn it off or even leave for the bathroom.

I know, you think you're insane, but then you tell yourself, "millions watch golf..millions watch golf".

[Sakae]

Kubica is most overrated driver for past several years (I think at least past 3).

F1 exclusivity has taken a hit by including last minnows (Sauber is OK). Whether its mortal or not remains to be seen. Business case of NASCAR should teach them.

Moveable wings, Kers and new tire compounds are all gimmicks, and not a solution to the track action.

I am glad MM is out; he was smart, but self centered, and far too often on the front pages. This is sport of racing, not a political arena.

Since advent of narrow and gooved tires something went terribly wrong year after year with rules and regulations. People want to see winners and loosers, dominance, not equality.

Edited by Sakae, 06 March 2011 - 14:20.

[george1981]

I've watched every F1 race since the start of the 1994 season but can never remember a time when it was easy to overtake.

[Exar Kun]

george1981, on Mar 7 2011, 03:05, said:

I've watched every F1 race since the start of the 1994 season but can never remember a time when it was easy to overtake.

Indeed. However, watching back then you certainly see cars following each other more closely. The performance is too high and respective performance of cars too close for overtaking to happen without some artificial means.

- I don't want F1 to return to Adelaide. It was a great track in its day but I don't think it would be any more exciting than Melbourne now. And it'd be further for me to travel!

- I'm a life long fan, but I don't believe Williams will ever be a championship challenging team again (I do hope they make me eat my words!).

- I mostly really disliked Senna when he was alive but became fascinated with him after he died. I was always a fan of Mansell & Prost when he was around. I only started liking Senna at all when he began to drive for Williams. That year I turned my irrational dislike to Schumacher.

[Andrew Hope]

I confess that as far as the on track action is concerned, this has been the best season so far that I can remember since I began following F1 in the late '90s.

I confess that I can be offended, sickened, or even appalled by F1's so-called 'gimmicks' as much as I want, (though I'm not really), but if I were, I know I'd keep watching until the day I die.

I confess that even after following IndyCar seriously for the last two or three years (and IRL/ChampCar/whatever since I was about five years old), I still get Ganassi and Penske drivers mixed up, occasionally thinking Castroneves drives for Ganassi, Franchitti for Penske, etc.

I confess I have lost all patience for the sort of 'fan' that thinks Williams and McLaren are the only real teams in F1.

I confess I don't really believe there is such a thing as a 'dangerous track'. Dangerous conditions on a track, sure - but I think that if the cars are safe enough, if you've got enough marshals and safety equipment, organize it all correctly, in short, develop a track in a clever way, then any series is safe enough to race at whatever the track may be.

And finally, I confess that after months of thinking this year's Sauber was the ugliest car on the grid, I finally figured out how to make it look gorgeous - drive it sideways .

[SCUDmissile]

I am beginning to be warming towards McLaren since Ron left

(a little )

Edited by SCUDmissile, 21 June 2011 - 17:01.

[as65p]

HPT, on Feb 19 2011, 08:18, said:

I've just changed the photo to one which includes her.

You're not worthy!

Sorry, that was faster than me. You lucky SOB.

[BullHead]

george1981, on Mar 6 2011, 17:05, said:

I've watched every F1 race since the start of the 1994 season but can never remember a time when it was easy to overtake.

andrew., on Jun 21 2011, 17:38, said:

as far as the on track action is concerned, this has been the best season so far that I can remember since I began following F1 in the late '90s.

I can be offended, sickened, or even appalled by F1's so-called 'gimmicks' as much as I want, (though I'm not really), but if I were, I know I'd keep watching until the day I die.

These

[Dunder]

I really hope that, one of these days, Ferrari go ahead with one of their numerous threats to leave the sport.
Their constant politicking is a cancer.

[g1n]

BCM, on Feb 24 2011, 15:50, said:

F1 drivers arent the best of the best. Why? Unlike something like football, there is a significant barrier to entry ($$) So the pool of people who can even get their foot on the bottom of the motorsport rung is small to begin with. Hell, even then the best don't necessarily make it to f1. It's the richest or the most connected.

correct. But by watching them drive others cars apart from F1 you really do see that these guys have above average driving skills.

[Andrew Hope]

It's a hard part to fathom, but one we must pay attention to when looking at the history of the sport (the history of anything, really). An ever changing, unpredictable list of variables go into every single on track action. Everything that happened, happened for millions of tiny reasons, and everything that didn't happen, didn't for millions of tiny little reasons. We can't calculate these sorts of things - for instance, as much as we may say after big accidents like Webber in Valencia 2010 or Kubica in Canada 2007 that we nearly had the first fatality since Senna, we can't really hold that to be true. It may be true, but it could equally be true that we haven't come close to a driver losing his life since 1994 (and the opposite, that we've repeatedly come within a split-second of having ten fatalities since Senna, is also just as true).

This pertains to the argument that they aren't really the best because of how hard it is to get into F1 in the first place because it's also an argument that can be made about anything - how many great authors never wrote a meaningful sentence in their lives? How many great musicians never picked up an instrument? Everywhere, there is greatness waiting to happen, and the reason the 'they aren't really the best' argument sort of sucks is because it's half cop-out, half too obvious to need to be said. Of course they aren't really the best, but it's a hell of a lot more convenient to say they were the best, than to say they were the best to ever wish to be racers, to ever have the opportunity to be racers, to ever have the luck to have parents willing or able to pay for them to be racers, to have the luck not to have been injured or killed in an accident or stricken with some disease, and the best to have been adequately blessed by circumstances to be paired with weaker teammates in lower formulaes to make them look better than they were at that point so they got a change to move up a series where they really began to show promise, and so on. Seems a bit lengthy, so it's hardly a surprise people just say 'the best', though you'd have to admit most people say 'the best' simply because they don't see a driver in F1 because of a very long list of situations he should be thankful he was able to make the best of. They just see a driver in F1.

As interesting as alternate history is, the grass is always greener on the other side. If F1 was a just and fair world, Christian Klien would've had a race seat for the past seven or eight seasons. Giorgio Pantano might've been a World Champion by now. Timo Glock wouldn't be pissing his career away at Virgin. Sebastien Bourdais wouldn't have been dropped as he was, and Jaime Alguersuari wouldn't be as close to the axe as he is now. But it is what it is.

I also confess I spend way too much time on here, and way too much time getting carried away trying to make a simple point on here, though I don't know which is worse.

Edited by andrew., 21 June 2011 - 18:53.

[Rob]

rvd2hbk, on Jun 21 2011, 20:08, said:

Dario Franchitti is the biggest Moaner in Motorsport

You must be the only person who thinks this.

[Andrew Hope]

*cough* PLATO! *cough*.

[Watkins74]

rvd2hbk, on Jun 21 2011, 19:08, said:

Dario Franchitti is the biggest Moaner in Motorsport

He at least makes the Top 3

[Hypnotise]

F1 Drivers are just PR robots when it comes to speaking to the public

Some people on this board overreact to what other drivers say or think.

[Disgrace]

I confess I wanted Schumacher to finish on the podium in Canada.

I know, I know, sorry.

[Turn 1]

I hate flat kerbs! They aren't supposed to be an invitation to be used. Infact, kerbs in general are overly installed, what happened to dipping a wheel on the grass? What little grass thats left on modern circuits.