
Ferrari F2012
#1
Posted 14 September 2011 - 11:55
Rumours going around at present include:
- The car will supposedly be more innovative.
- The car will have a pull rod suspension.
- Slightly longer wheelbase.
- The driver will sit lower in the cockpit as well the car having a generally lower profile.
- Rory Byrne has once again been asked to consult with regard to technical matters.
There has also been a reshuffle of the technical department with the role of technical director completely scrapped. Pat Fry has been given the responsibility of strengthening the technical department and rumour has it that a number of McLaren employees are en route to Ferrari.
Discuss.
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#2
Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:13
Also race weekends this year are basically turned into testing for next year I recall hearing

The car having a lower profile sounds strange, unless regulations cause the change I would of assumed the F150 would be as low profile as possible anyway.
#3
Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:28
"At Maranello, everything has been called into question in light of the unsatisfactory results of this season," said the Italian newspaper report.
"The (pull-rod) system will allow for a lower and smaller rear end but it will appear only next season," added Corriere dello Sport.
"In the last six races of this year, even in the races, mechanical and aerodynamic parts (for 2012) will be tested."
From nextgen-auto.
Nothing that we didn't know but it's a start.
#4
Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:37
And everything else mentioned is wishful thinking.
#5
Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:52
#6
Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:54
#7
Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:57
#8
Posted 14 September 2011 - 13:08
I can remember discussion on the F150 and that the drivers were higher because Fernando wanted it like that

I think that is a myth.
All I want is next years car to be the F2012 no more of this special naming rubbish.
Edited by toxicfusion, 14 September 2011 - 13:09.
#9
Posted 14 September 2011 - 13:16
#10
Posted 14 September 2011 - 13:17
All I want is next years car to be the F2012 no more of this special naming rubbish.
WORD!
#11
Posted 14 September 2011 - 13:56
Can you point out what is wishful thinking? There are plenty sources for the rumoured changes in personnel and it has long been speculated that Rory will be back in some form. Domenicali alluded to it not to long ago on the official website.Lower seat will be way to go for all teams, because nose height is limited by the rules next year.
And everything else mentioned is wishful thinking.
Ferrari will definitely have a pull rod suspension next year.
Also, regarding the profile of the car, it is clear to see that the sidepods of the F150 are higher than both the Red Bull and the McLaren.
I also forgot to mention that Ferrari hired Nigel Leaper (Head of composites) from Lotus-Renault.
#12
Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:05
Here http://www.f-1-news....at-ferrari.htmlCan you provide a link as to where anybody discussed Rory coming back in any capacity....
And this is something from the bbc http://www.bbc.co.uk...us_to_2012.html
Edited by ferrarijon123, 14 September 2011 - 14:06.
#13
Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:07
Here http://www.f-1-news....at-ferrari.html
And this is eomething from the bbc http://www.bbc.co.uk...us_to_2012.html
I did not think they were so desperate...
#14
Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:10
Its hardly desperate, most cars he built were championship winning cars for ferrari apart from 2005 and 2006 where ferrari had the fastest car for half a season but didnt quite win the championship.I did not think they were so desperate...
#15
Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:17
http://translate.goo...la-ferrari-2012- Rory Byrne has once again been asked to consult with regard to technical matters.
#16
Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:21
What is desperate in having the best possible people working for you?I did not think they were so desperate...

#17
Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:32
Pull Rod is a smart step, it would allow smaller and neater rear end.
- chassis, gearbox, suspension and cooling systems for its successor are also on the drawing board at Maranello
- The car "will be more aggressive"
- "Venturi ducts" or overall a chassis shaped to emphasis this effect. (How exactly, I'm not sure)
#18
Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:40
I read about these venturi ducts but I am at a loss as to how this will be achieved.The working name of 2012 car is "663" and it's already in the wind tunnel.
Pull Rod is a smart step, it would allow smaller and neater rear end.
- chassis, gearbox, suspension and cooling systems for its successor are also on the drawing board at Maranello
- The car "will be more aggressive"
- "Venturi ducts" or overall a chassis shaped to emphasis this effect. (How exactly, I'm not sure)
#19
Posted 14 September 2011 - 14:55
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#20
Posted 14 September 2011 - 15:13
New parts which have already been designed and are undergoing production are still to come to the F150, right?
Also race weekends this year are basically turned into testing for next year I recall hearing ;)
Yes.
Can you provide a link as to where anybody discussed Rory coming back in any capacity....
He's never left in the first place. Consulting for both GES and GEI for years.
maybe a wise move for next year, but will it possible for alonso to stay 2nd in championship with that approach?
Red Bull and McLaren are too looking into solutions for 2012 at this stage. We always try to get the maximum out of each race, so we'll see.
- "Venturi ducts" or overall a chassis shaped to emphasis this effect. (How exactly, I'm not sure)
People asked me about that before and I still fail to understand what is meant by this definition.
#21
Posted 14 September 2011 - 15:21
Call it the F2012 and maybe their luck will change.
#22
Posted 14 September 2011 - 15:30
What is desperate in having the best possible people working for you?
Strange comment.
Not strange at all. Being honest, Mr. Byrne retired few years ag and now, all of the suden, Ferrari intends to get him back? I think those are deseperate movements... That's all...
Oh, I don't want to forget that Mr. Byrne did not work alone... Mr. Costa was there, Mr. Martinelli was there, Mr. Brawn was there and some others so if Montezemolo & BotÃn want miracles... They better go to Covadonga, perhaps it works.
#23
Posted 14 September 2011 - 15:38
What are you on about? Nobody said Rory alone was responsible for the success but he was the chief designer and alot if not the majority of the success should be attributed to him. Come on, you can do better than that.Not strange at all. Being honest, Mr. Byrne retired few years ag and now, all of the suden, Ferrari intends to get him back? I think those are deseperate movements... That's all...
Oh, I don't want to forget that Mr. Byrne did not work alone... Mr. Costa was there, Mr. Martinelli was there, Mr. Brawn was there and some others so if Montezemolo & BotÃn want miracles... They better go to Covadonga, perhaps it works.
I didn't start this thread to bicker about Rory.
#24
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:01
What are you on about? Nobody said Rory alone was responsible for the success but he was the chief designer and alot if not the majority of the success should be attributed to him. Come on, you can do better than that.
I didn't start this thread to bicker about Rory.
And who is bickering about Mr. Byrne? Not me! Please , try not to be so sensitive!
I am just surprised Ferrari is thinking about getting Mr. Byrne back after so many years being retired but who knows? Perhaps he is the solution, it could be, time will tell!
Edited by Jordana, 14 September 2011 - 16:02.
#25
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:03
#26
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:08
He hasn't been retired technically, just not a part of the team if you find my meaning. Still a ferrari employee. A little like symonds with virgin.
Is he not working with the street cars from Ferrari?
#27
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:13
He hasn't been retired technically, just not a part of the team if you find my meaning. Still a ferrari employee. A little like symonds with virgin.
As far as I know, he left Ferrari in 2009 and he is living in Thailand.
#28
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:14
Is he not working with the street cars from Ferrari?
Could you be talking about Martinelli? If so, he works for Fiat Group and in particular, for Maserati.
#29
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:21
rory never left. he s still in the team, like last year, and all the years before that.Not strange at all. Being honest, Mr. Byrne retired few years ag and now, all of the suden, Ferrari intends to get him back? I think those are deseperate movements... That's all...
Oh, I don't want to forget that Mr. Byrne did not work alone... Mr. Costa was there, Mr. Martinelli was there, Mr. Brawn was there and some others so if Montezemolo & BotÃn want miracles... They better go to Covadonga, perhaps it works.
he just takes a back role. same right now. he is still, only a consultant.
Edited by SCUDmissile, 14 September 2011 - 16:24.
#30
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:24
rory never left. he s still in the team, like last year, and all the years before that.
he just takes a back role.
OK then... My apologies, the measures are not as desperate as I thought...

#31
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:27
rory never left. he s still in the team, like last year, and all the years before that.
he just takes a back role. same right now. he is still, only a consultant.
He was in Spa or Monza GP this year....there was a pic! Also has be seen with ferrari shirt in some airport......
#32
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:37
He was in Spa or Monza GP this year....there was a pic! Also has be seen with ferrari shirt in some airport......
Dyer was in Monza too!

I was mistaken about Byrne, sorry!
But there is one thing that bothers me about this "story"... If Byrne is still linked to Ferrari, what has he been doing lately? Because, the last three cars won't be remembered as the best in Ferrari History... And Costa was fired recently... Oh, well, it does not make too much sense but I guess they know what they are doing.
Nevertheless, Ferrari is behaving a little funny these past few years... Eveytime Montezemolo talks, danger appears around the corner.
#33
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:39
consultants can enjoy GPs, especially of their favourite teams.He was in Spa or Monza GP this year....there was a pic! Also has be seen with ferrari shirt in some airport......

Dyer was in Monza too!
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I was mistaken about Byrne, sorry!
But there is one thing that bothers me about this "story"... If Byrne is still linked to Ferrari, what has he been doing lately? Because, the last three cars won't be remembered as the best in Ferrari History... And Costa was fired recently... Oh, well, it does not make too much sense but I guess they know what they are doing.
Nevertheless, Ferrari is behaving a little funny these past few years... Eveytime Montezemolo talks, danger appears around the corner.
it is like you said, having only Byrne wouldnt make that much difference. he would have needed the people, and etc.
lol, i actually think of Luca as a kind of 'everything turns to gold' guy. he has commanded successful operations wherever he has been. but that is off topic.
anyone know anything of the new recruits? i wish them well.
Edited by SCUDmissile, 14 September 2011 - 16:46.
#34
Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:47
#35
Posted 14 September 2011 - 17:14
"Pat now has the chance to show what he is capable of, to set out the work according to his methodology and I can tell he is very motivated and I have great faith in him. Now our structure remains substantially stable: if an opportunity comes along to get someone really worthwhile, well then good, but the real secret is in finding the right combination of people, jobs and the character of the individuals. For example, I see a great relationship between Pat and Nikolas Tombazis, along with the support that comes from the amazing experience of an extraordinary man like Rory Byrne, who continues to be extremely valuable to us, even though he has been working only part time for several years now."
From the Ferrari official website.
#36
Posted 14 September 2011 - 19:27
#37
Posted 15 September 2011 - 01:34
#38
Posted 15 September 2011 - 09:37
Still, it remains a bit mysterious to me how exactly that could be achieved, hence, I will follow tech people from F1 to get a better understanding of where that concept might be deployed. If I knew all that stuff, I'd certainly be working in F1 team (#wish...)
On the other hand, it may turn out to be just a rumor.
#39
Posted 16 September 2011 - 16:20
are they to come in for 2013, or i remember something about nose being a mandatory height for next year.
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#40
Posted 16 September 2011 - 16:27
#41
Posted 19 September 2011 - 08:14

This is a none sense Photoshop job, so there us no truth what so ever in it, but...
1. 212 will have Very Low Sidepods end. Apparently the suspension and the area around will look greatly different from what I made above.
2. 212 will have slightly lower nose and more rounded at the front end, agressice sculpting and so on.
3. ... huge internal re organizations....
4. New rear suspension...
#42
Posted 19 September 2011 - 10:47
#43
Posted 19 September 2011 - 11:59
Source for that info please.
This is me myself and I.

I readt that Rory said "Lower Car". And this is kinda true to my view...
#44
Posted 19 September 2011 - 13:25
Lower? By how much? I hope it doesn't scrub the tarmacThis is me myself and I.
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I readt that Rory said "Lower Car". And this is kinda true to my view...

It's good, to some extent, that not too much new regulations are coming for 2012.
Edited by kvarbanov, 19 September 2011 - 13:25.
#45
Posted 19 September 2011 - 19:43
seating position by 4 cm, rear body work at suspension by 5 cm, Nose as much front suspension at aboyt 2 cm and so on.
radiator internal etc must be by 7cm...
#46
Posted 26 September 2011 - 14:27
I'm impatient ...
#47
Posted 26 September 2011 - 14:35
#48
Posted 26 September 2011 - 15:06
#49
Posted 26 September 2011 - 15:33
if it is st. domicelli,then i am not satisfied...it is his job to say 'WOW' to whatever he see...don't seem like demanding man...Today I read reports about "first wind tunnel results very optimistic" and "Wow" was the reaction of St. Dom. when he saw the 2012 draft ...
I'm impatient ...

anyway it is too too early to be optimistic...
#50
Posted 28 September 2011 - 17:06
He claims that he saw a render of the 2012 F1 car while working with Ferrari to help install an update to Fluent.
He said it's red.
