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[Lights]

I don't understand that communication. Andy has just told Lewis he is in fifth, so why would Lewis respond asking to know what position he is in.

It's from bottom to top.

[OO7]

It's from bottom to top.

Silly me
Cheers Lights.

[Hulkster]

I don't understand that communication. Andy has just told Lewis he is in fifth, so why would Lewis respond asking to know what position he is in.

Maybe he just did t hear him clearly.

Or maybe it was a little confusing being told he was in fifth but then told about the split to FIRST.

[peroa]

I don't understand that communication. Andy has just told Lewis he is in fifth, so why would Lewis respond asking to know what position he is in.

Lewis asked first.
http://www.mclaren.c...epage_Button_F1
The tracker is updating from the top.

Edited by peroa, 27 May 2012 - 15:40.

[AMG FAN]

so this marks and end to any advantage Button had over Lewis...nothing for Button fans to hang onto to claim Button is better

[Lights]

Well done to Lewis though, first time since Singapore 2011 that he has scored more points than Jenson overall. 530-529 it is. Come on Jenson...

[Boxerevo]

so this marks and end to any advantage Button had over Lewis...nothing for Button fans to hang onto to claim Button is better

Button still has more podiums.

[AMG FAN]

Button still has more podiums.

no one cares about career podiums,it's career points and career wins that matter lol....let's also not forget that Jenson is yet to beat Lewis in qualifying over the course of a season.

Edited by AMG FAN, 27 May 2012 - 15:52.

[Lights]

Button still has more podiums.

That's just because Buttons driving is riskier, whereas Hamilton just cruises for points.

[OO7]

That's just because Buttons driving is riskier, whereas Hamilton just cruises for points.

I don't think so.

[Boxerevo]

That's just because Buttons driving is riskier, whereas Hamilton just cruises for points.

[AMG FAN]

I don't think so.

was it really that hard to detect the sarcasm in his post

[Kvothe]

Well done to Lewis though, first time since Singapore 2011 that he has scored more points than Jenson overall. 530-529 it is. Come on Jenson...

Wel....l if it stops Lazy bringing it up every weekend

Edited by Kvothe, 27 May 2012 - 15:55.

[revlec]

so this marks and end to any advantage Button had over Lewis...nothing for Button fans to hang onto to claim Button is better

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.

[AMG FAN]

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.

its okay,they'll soon start clinging onto "he has more podiums"..very soon it would be "his hair is longer than Lewis hair"

[OO7]

was it really that hard to detect the sarcasm in his post

After I posted I thought as much, but sometimes its difficult to tell in this thread.

[MP422]

Lewis gets the weekend, not the result we were all hoping for but good points today. After a few more races if Lewis sticks a couple podiums and Jenson's current trend continues maybe Mclaren will get behind Lewis. He appears to be the best chance at a title due to his consistent qualifying performances.

[Boxerevo]

Wel....l if it stops Lazy bringing it up every weekend

For sure he told that so much that jinxed.

[oligc94]

Well Lewis gave Jenson an absolute monstering this weekend - even Massa was closer to Alonso than JB was to LH!!

McLaren's season is rapidly falling apart, and I bet they're really regretting not capitalising on their pace early on...

[TheBunk]

Well Lewis gave Jenson an absolute monstering this weekend - even Massa was closer to Alonso than JB was to LH!!

McLaren's season is rapidly falling apart, and I bet they're really regretting not capitalising on their pace early on...

Good point. Button might be moaning a lot, but if Mclaren are serious about their championships, they better start doing something to help Jenson get better results.

[Dalton007]

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.

NEVER. We are here through thick and thin. It's painful, but Jenson will bounce back. We are talking about a guy who came from last to win the Canadian Grand Prix last year.

[The Ragged Edge]

From my perspective, not a great weekend for either driver. Hamilton was correct to be p1$$ed off, for losing 2 places during the race and Button simply had a nightmare. Nothing for either driver to be upbeat about. Their race pace seems to be hit and miss. Nothing more to add really. Roll on Canada.

[Peter Perfect]

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.

We're still here ;) As a fan of Button I've supported him through far worse times than this. 2001 springs to mind, it's never been worse than that!

Did anyone else hear Jaime Alguersuari say on the BBC that the Pirellis don't respond well to braking/accelerating while cornering? I'm wondering if that's part of Buttons issue this year. He's a smooth driver who's whole style is based on blending the brake/throttle through the corner and if the tyres don't allow that then even if he manages to work out a set-up that gets the tyres into their operating window he's never going to be able to put in the laps he's truly capable of.

[Lazy]

There will be always Button's loyal fans like Lights and Lazy(who is little bitter i must say but still).
Rineheart and others have just disappeared, but i expect them to come alive when BUT will win races.

Lol.

You should see yourselves when Lewis loses

[enrm6]

I think there was.

Kovy also had a collision with Perez, but I don't think his wing was so badly damaged in that incident. So it looks like Jenson and Kovy came together pretty hard, Jenson retired and Kovy had to change his wing.

No way did they just park the car, with rain coming down the situation could have changed.

Ah well, at least he had a go. I can't imagine anything more frustrating.

I hope the team find a way forward for Jenson next time out because it's damn depressing at the moment. Especially with all the gloaters round here.

Edited by enrm6, 27 May 2012 - 18:06.

[PretentiousBread]

We're still here ;) As a fan of Button I've supported him through far worse times than this. 2001 springs to mind, it's never been worse than that!

Did anyone else hear Jaime Alguersuari say on the BBC that the Pirellis don't respond well to braking/accelerating while cornering? I'm wondering if that's part of Buttons issue this year. He's a smooth driver who's whole style is based on blending the brake/throttle through the corner and if the tyres don't allow that then even if he manages to work out a set-up that gets the tyres into their operating window he's never going to be able to put in the laps he's truly capable of.

That's very old news. The Pirellis were like that last year too. As I've said already the EBD helped keep the car balance within his narrower operating window, that's the main reason IMO for why he was so consistently fast in 2011 compared to 2010. Ted Kravitz reported JB's main problem this weekend being instability under braking, which is precisely what the EBD cured. His form this year is much more akin to 2010 where he blew hot and cold. It's not that every weekend is going to be like Barcelona and Monaco for him, but I think we could see some more, whereas last year he only had one at the Nurburgring.

[Peter Perfect]

That's very old news. The Pirellis were like that last year too. As I've said already the EBD helped keep the car balance within his narrower operating window, that's the main reason IMO for why he was so consistently fast in 2011 compared to 2010. Ted Kravitz reported JB's main problem this weekend being instability under braking, which is precisely what the EBD cured. His form this year is much more akin to 2010 where he blew hot and cold. It's not that every weekend is going to be like Barcelona and Monaco for him, but I think we could see some more, whereas last year he only had one at the Nurburgring.

I thought that was just the diffuser?

[PretentiousBread]

I thought that was just the diffuser?;)

Heh, as soon as posted that I regretted that comment.

[PretentiousBread]

Anyone else notice how long it took for the leaders to start lapping backmarkers? Took about 35 laps before they started coming up on the backmarkers. Compare that to 2007 when they were lapping cars after about 15 laps, yet the grid was separated by 3 seconds in 2007 and 5 seconds in 2012. Button not that much faster than Kovalainen in the race - a giant tyre conservation exercise.

[CookinFlatSix]

It's verging on disrespectful to Lewis to be comparing him to Jenson

[Buttoneer]

Heikki v Jenson discussion (and the 'if this had been Lewis...' complaints) split. This thread is for Jenson v Lewis please.

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=168446

[mlsnoopy]

Good point. Button might be moaning a lot, but if Mclaren are serious about their championships, they better start doing something to help Jenson get better results.

I don't understand these post. If McLaren are serious they should be helping Button? Sorry but Hamilton is the driver that is performing, that is bringing home points despite the team doing their best to destroy his races. The team must focus on Hamilton, stop making mistakes and help him to a few wins.

[maverick69]

I don't understand these post. If McLaren are serious they should be helping Button? Sorry but Hamilton is the driver that is performing, that is bringing home points despite the team doing their best to destroy his races. The team must focus on Hamilton, stop making mistakes and help him to a few wins.

As for the rest of the post - I think it's becoming pretty clear that McLaren need to start "backing" both drivers in a more effective manner.

Yes Lewis is looking (by far) the strongest driver given the current set of circumstances - but if he is to mount a serious challenge, with all the variability we have at the moment, then he's gonna have to have a teammate who can help him out should he need it..... and that's if JB doesn't suddenly sort out his qualy woes which will naturally bring him back into the mix.

[TeamMacca]

The car wasn't fast enough like it was last year for Jenson to get a good Quali position, where as Lewis just got the most out of what he had.

Jenson is going to struggle badly if he doesn't sort his Quali out, unlike last year when the Mclaren was awesome in race trim, this year is a different story.

[Kvothe]

i agree that if the field is more competative then Lewis with the better qualifying pace would undoubtedly benefit from this at the expense of Jenson. Of course Jenson is perfectly capable of putting in very fast laps, and beating Lewis but if he has a weakness its this, and his starts.

Nothing new here, Its just two tracks which are notoriously hard to overtake on, i expect a better race from JB in Canada!

Edited by Kvothe, 28 May 2012 - 13:33.

[F1Newbie]

What's happening to Button? He seems unable to beat Lewis as predicted. He's not even consistent and smooth anymore. I wonder what Sir Stirling Moss and co are thinking now.

Edited by F1Newbie, 28 May 2012 - 15:47.

[Towny]

I think what where seeing now is what we've always known, lewis can get every tenth out of a car, where as button needs a car thats predictable and thats a big problem for button because the fields so tight at the moment, personally i think but will get on top of his problems its just taking a bit of time.

[PARAZAR]

It's verging on disrespectful to Lewis to be comparing him to Jenson

Could be much worse.

[pinkypants]

It's verging on disrespectful to Lewis to be comparing him to Jenson

I think that's very harsh. Hamilton is one of many very talented F1 drivers. Jenson has different strengths and weakenesses to Lews. They are not that far away in points and a couple of strong finishes could leapfrog Jenson back in front of Lewis again

[Sinceref189]

I think that's very harsh. Hamilton is one of many very talented F1 drivers. Jenson has different strengths and weakenesses to Lews. They are not that far away in points and a couple of strong finishes could leapfrog Jenson back in front of Lewis again

There's no way im counting button out there's still 14 races left anything can happen

[spaforever]

Lol.

You should see yourselves when Lewis loses

lol i thought that you guys should be immune to that by now

[sofarapartguy]

Sorry if wrong tread or been posted before. But I loled HARD!

http://www.youtube.c...;v=sCE6qxngWts#!

Best video ever!