Cooper T53 in Formula 2?
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:26
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:15
The Black Book gives Brabham's entry a T51 number (which of course it might have had)
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:02
S Moss My Cars, My Career, page 230.
Sorry, don't have it. Can someone explain.
I found the reference I had to Brabham in a F2 T53. Roskilde 11 Sep 1960 and Zeltweg 18 Sep 1960. Pictures show a lowline in both cases.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:13
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 16:01
Is it remotely possible that they could have fitted T.53 bodywork on a T.51 chassis?
In theory not because T53 was the 'lowline' car with much sleeker bodywork, but it is possible they could have done something like the Lotus 18/21 where they fitted 21 style bodywork but in a larger size on the older/square 18 frame.
But more likely with Coopers is they changed chassis numbers around (e.g. re-used a clients earlier number) since they appear to have been even less in favour of purchase tax than Mr Chapman.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 16:10
But more likely with Coopers is they changed chassis numbers around (e.g. re-used a clients earlier number) since they appear to have been even less in favour of purchase tax than Mr Chapman.
A works carnet would have sufficed for these two races - or whatever carnet was on the mystery car he drove at Solitude 24 Jul 1960 and Nürburgring 31 Jul 1960.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 16:44
Not with a result as shown in the photographsIs it remotely possible that they could have fitted T.53 bodywork on a T.51 chassis?
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:24
John
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:31
The Cooper No 1 was definitely a T53. It was a brand new car having its first race. There are a number of photos of the car in "Fart & Form" pp 25-31, 10/1960 (yes, the British drivers were visibly sniggering over the magazine name at an award ceremony!). Photocopies of the race report were supplied by Morten Alstrup years and years ago.
John
Good man John!
Did you get any sense from the article whether this was the third works car that had first appeared in practice at Oporto three weeks earlier or Jack's personal car? Jack's personal car doesn't appeared to have raced until East London 27 Dec 1960.
BTW, I didn't believe that name either but Google is a wonderful thing:
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 13:41
Morten supplied a typed literal translation to all the stuff he sent me but there is nothing to indicate whether it was Brabham's own car or a works car. The report claims the car was having its first ever race and photos of Brabham lovingly preparing the car and even working on Hill's Lotus suggests he was his own man that weekend. The official programme list ( or at least the page I have) doesn't mention entrants and refers to Dennis Lawton and Rodger Hulme! I think the Black Books have added additional information, some of it assumed, and made necessary corrections.
Brabham, with the same number 1, appeared a week later at Zeltweg as you and Roger say, and that was a T53; methinks the same car. No programme to confirm entrant, or which T53.
John
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 14:13
Christer