136 replies to this topic

[Mila]

"Flaggate" is the dumbest "gate" ever in my humble opinion.

perhaps Ferrari and Fernando should be flagellated for their flaggate flatulence.

[ViMaMo]

Nice try at making it a gate



Ferrari ask for a clarification and FIA clarify. Its over.

[Mila]

Nice try at making it a gate

yeah, I suppose that the closest we've come to a Watergate in F1 was Waterballastgate.

[Gag� Bueno]

Ferrari ask for a clarification and FIA clarify. Its over.

Maybe not completely... As reported here Mr. Cordero di Montezemolo seems to be angry about Bernie calling Ferrari's inquiry request a joke, before going back to flog his actual favourite dead horses, like the predominance of aero and lack of testing... Some usual bland stuff from Domenicali on the subject too...

[Skinnyguy]

Alonso supports the call to complain to FIA, because some fans wanted an answer. He does not care what other´s opinion might be on their decission, because people on the street calls him gladiator and samurai.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104687

I think the guy has lost it recently.

[showtime]

Alonso supports the call to complain to FIA, because some fans wanted an answer. He does not care what other´s opinion might be on their decission, because people on the street calls him gladiator and samurai.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104687

I think the guy has lost it recently.

Yeah he's completely insane. He should be very worried because some people in German hate him and not happy at all with the support from people around him.

[JakBot]

Home psychology ftw, but I'm a little worried about Alonso. He started to break down at the end of the season already, but losing this WDC has hit him hard. As if he has linked his own self-esteem to this years WDC and losing it has forced him to boost that self-esteem by becoming quite delusional. While not thinking about negative critique can be a virtue, publicly trying to boost your own self-esteem by telling how great you are is not - I find it quite worrying, since I'm not used to that by Alonso. He should know he is a great driver without having to tell it in every interview.

I liked and respected Alonso a lot to about 3/4th in to this season, but his samurai comments and other delusions started to make me dislike him a little. Now I think I understand where that was coming from and can't hate him for that. I guess I feel a little sorry for him. Hope he gathers his head around it before the next season, otherwise he won't be able to compete properly. </homepsychology>

[Headspin]

Alonso supports the call to complain to FIA, because some fans wanted an answer. He does not care what other´s opinion might be on their decission, because people on the street calls him gladiator and samurai.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104687

I think the guy has lost it recently.

Dear god, it's getting really embarassing.

[Topsu]

Gladiator or samurai?

[Craven Morehead]

Another tempest in a tea cup on this forum I see. Asking for a clarification was exactly the right course of action. No harm, no foul, no big deal..

Edited by Craven Morehead, 02 December 2012 - 21:16.

[Creepy]

It's quite noticeable how most people here have not been following F1 for a long time. Where did the real fans go?

People getting all worked up against Alonso or Ferrari just because it was asked a clarification... Seriously? If you guys want real drama I suggest you to go back to the nineties and early '00

[Claudius]

Dear god, it's getting really embarassing.

Indeed.
Next thing we know he'll call himself a Spartan, fighting against impossible odds...

[tommi34]

Narcissistic personality disorder isn't good for anyone

[Creepy]

He's not calling himself anything, people do.

Narcissistic personality disorder isn't good for anyone

All drivers are narcissist to some stent.

Edited by Creepy, 02 December 2012 - 21:37.

[Zava]

He's not calling himself anything, people do.

of course they do, after Alonso hashtagging his 'Coelho-wisdom' tweets with #samurai

[motorhead]

He's not calling himself anything, people do.



All drivers are narcissist to some stent.

Actually he has started that samurai-thing all by himself...

[Jan.W]

Indeed.
Next thing we know he'll call himself a Spartan, fighting against impossible odds...

[bourbon]

Meh, he's just saying he is focused on the positive rather than the negative. I don't think anyone is surprised that all of Ferrari, including Alonso, is shrugging off the criticism. That is what they always do.

The real issue stands; Ferrari sought to appease the pressuring elements - whatever they were - and placed a question on the legitimacy of the championship. So yeah, a lot of people were going to be mad as hell since Ferrari's inquiry was easily answered with information they already had. Their further disregard of those people is expected, but there is no need to make a flippant show of it. They should just stop making comments and say that the matter is closed and they want to move on. Anything else is just going to reanimate the criticism - now regarding their behavior in the aftermath as well as the initial incident.

Edited by bourbon, 02 December 2012 - 21:43.

[Creepy]

of course they do, after Alonso hashtagging his 'Coelho-wisdom' tweets with #samurai

He just likes to quote stuff from the samurai culture. Big deal duh! He's a human being too, look around in Twitter and you'll find people doing kind of the same massively.

I think you guys are just too harsh on him because you dislike him or he's famous. Otherwise I see kind of ridiculous to bash him even just because he has samurai quotes in his twitter. Seriously...

[CrucialXtreme]

Alonso supports the call to complain to FIA, because some fans wanted an answer. He does not care what other´s opinion might be on their decission, because people on the street calls him gladiator and samurai.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104687

I think the guy has lost it recently.

Way to cherry pic his comments so that you could put said comments in the light you want. I don't need to say any more, your actions speak for themselves.

Here is the actual quote:


Obviously, Alonso also spoke about the incident when Vettel passed Vergne, which was headline news for several days immediately after the Brazilian Grand Prix. “There were a lot of video clips on the Internet and we knew our fans were asking for an explanation and so it was right for Ferrari to turn to the Federation for a clarification. We got a reply and I think everything has now calmed down. I did not pay much attention to all the uproar this incident caused, but I felt we owed our fans an answer. Frankly, [b]I’m not that interested in what the opinion is of me in Germany or elsewhere. [b]What I know is that people who see me in the streets hug me and call me gladiator or samurai. What matters to me are the 1200 people in the Ferrari family, who gave me a standing ovation at a dinner. This has been a spectacular year, hard to forget, with moments that will never be repeated like the win in Valencia or in Malaysia. Ever since I’ve been at Ferrari, I think I have grown a lot, especially this last year. Before, the people had a more or less good opinion of me, but now I notice a whole different level of respect. And then, to be one of the greats of Formula 1, it’s not enough to win titles, you must also tackle seasons like the one just ended. Next year? I hope to score three or four point more.”

This thread is nothing but at bash fest on the guy. Pretty funny really because each persons post shows others what type of person they are which is remembered when discussing other topics.

[Zava]

He just likes to quote stuff from the samurai culture. Big deal duh! He's a human being too, look around in Twitter and you'll find people doing kind of the same massively.

I think you guys are just too harsh on him because you dislike him or he's famous. Otherwise I see kind of ridiculous to bash him even just because he has samurai quotes in his twitter. Seriously...

I was just saying that he was the one who started the samurai thing on twitter, and not the pedestrians who hug him on the streets.

[Creepy]

I was just saying that he was the one who started the samurai thing on twitter, and not the pedestrians who hug him on the streets.

Yeah, I got loud and clear exactly what you were just saying, and I just repeat that it's kind of pointless really.

[showtime]

So Alonso is proud of his performance this season and happy with fans support. How this can be twisted to criticize the guy is beyond my comprehension. Unfortunately for some people Alonso will be giving the 100% again next year to put his Ferrari in contention for the championship. Hater will keep hating. Earth will keep turning.

[Skinnyguy]

I didn´t mean that. I couldn´t care less about that samurai stuff, even if I find it embarrasing.

Problem is that he feels that complaining to FIA was right "because some fans wanted an answer". It´s just a lame excuse, a serious F1 team does not complain because a guy with a tin foil hat thinks there´s something wrong with a blatantly leggit move. He DOES think it´s right to complain!! WTF? Haven´t you seen the graphic evidence? What´s the point of complaining? Pleasing some maniacs?? Sure, sure. Then the remark about not caring what World thinks because the tin foil hat guys hail him just ends it.

I didn´t think he pushed for the complain initially, but after the laws and miracles tweets, and now openly saying complaining was the right decission... I do think he pushed for it to happen. I just do not buy he did it to please some sore clueless fans.

[Creepy]

And yeah, I kind of find rich Bernie's remarks on the issue. A guy that many consider is killing F1, doing stupid decisions that seem to be focused on filling even more his pockets rather than taking care of F1. A Joke is that we may miss Spa or that we have races in countries in the middle of nowhere.

Edited by Creepy, 02 December 2012 - 21:50.

[fabr68]

I didn´t mean that. I couldn´t care less about that samurai stuff, even if I find it embarrasing.

Problem is that he feels that complaining to FIA was right "because some fans wanted an answer". It´s just a lame excuse, a serious F1 team does not complain because a guy with a tin foil hat thinks there´s something wrong with a blatantly leggit move. He DOES think it´s right to complain!! WTF? Haven´t you seen the graphic evidence? What´s the point of complaining? Pleasing some maniacs?? Sure, sure. Then the remark about not caring what World thinks because the tin foil hat guys hail him just ends it.

I didn´t think he pushed for the complain initially, but after the laws and miracles tweets, and now openly saying complaining was the right decission... I do think he pushed for it to happen. I just do not buy he did it to please some sore clueless fans.

You repeat this over and over again

There was never such complaint

[bourbon]

Way to cherry pic his comments so that you could put said comments in the light you want. I don't need to say any more, your actions speak for themselves.

Here is the actual quote:


Obviously, Alonso also spoke about the incident when Vettel passed Vergne, which was headline news for several days immediately after the Brazilian Grand Prix. “There were a lot of video clips on the Internet and we knew our fans were asking for an explanation and so it was right for Ferrari to turn to the Federation for a clarification. We got a reply and I think everything has now calmed down. I did not pay much attention to all the uproar this incident caused, but I felt we owed our fans an answer. Frankly, [b]I’m not that interested in what the opinion is of me in Germany or elsewhere. [b]What I know is that people who see me in the streets hug me and call me gladiator or samurai. What matters to me are the 1200 people in the Ferrari family, who gave me a standing ovation at a dinner. This has been a spectacular year, hard to forget, with moments that will never be repeated like the win in Valencia or in Malaysia. Ever since I’ve been at Ferrari, I think I have grown a lot, especially this last year. Before, the people had a more or less good opinion of me, but now I notice a whole different level of respect. And then, to be one of the greats of Formula 1, it’s not enough to win titles, you must also tackle seasons like the one just ended. Next year? I hope to score three or four point more.”

This thread is nothing but at bash fest on the guy. Pretty funny really because each persons post shows others what type of person they are which is remembered when discussing other topics.

Well that is worse. The previous comment, taken in a light most generous to Alonso, merely indicated he was focusing on the positive, and that is a good thing. However, the full statement makes him sound extremely insecure, or in the alternative, deluded by an overblown ego.

[CrucialXtreme]

Well that is worse. The previous comment, taken in a light most generous to Alonso, merely indicated he was focusing on the positive, and that is a good thing. However, the full statement makes him sound extremely insecure, or in the alternative, deluded by an overblown ego.

People that don't like him will generally have the same opinion as you do. People who do like him will think otherwise. He was being asked different questions by different journalists. His answers were compiled into this presser. It's an overview of the press conference, not like he wrote a speech & this was it.

Edit: and he's obviously trying to rally a team that came very close to winning WDC but lost in last race. Many of the same people that tomorrow will be working on the new car. But that bit of context is objectivity that's absent from most of this forum.

Edited by CrucialXtreme, 02 December 2012 - 22:21.

[bourbon]

People that don't like him will generally have the same opinion as you do. People who do like him will think otherwise. He was being asked different questions by different journalists. His answers were compiled into this presser. It's an overview of the press conference, not like he wrote a speech & this was it.

Well then you should include all of it because you are not helping his case by meshing it all together as if he were making a speech. You cannot accuse me of being unfair out of dislike when you provide a compilation of comments without explanation. You expressly stated in your post that what we originally read was not all that he said and you were providing the "actual quote". Naturally I believed that you were providing his full statement.

If there is more, then I retract what I said. I agree it is unfair to judge statements meshed together out of context.

Edited by bourbon, 02 December 2012 - 22:29.

[Menace]

People that don't like him will generally have the same opinion as you do. People who do like him will think otherwise. He was being asked different questions by different journalists. His answers were compiled into this presser. It's an overview of the press conference, not like he wrote a speech & this was it.

Edit: and he's obviously trying to rally a team that came very close to winning WDC but lost in last race. Many of the same people that tomorrow will be working on the new car. But that bit of context is objectivity that's absent from most of this forum.

Have you heard Vettel herald himself as "one of the Greats" despite having more WDC's then Alonso?

That is what I thought, this is the part of Alonso that really does make him seem awfully self conceded.

Edited by Menace, 02 December 2012 - 22:26.

[CrucialXtreme]

Have you heard Vettel herald himself as "one of the Greats" despite having more WDC's then Alonso?

That is what I thought, this is the part of Alonso that really does make him seem awfully self conceded.

Can you show me an instance of Fernando heralding himself as one of the greats?

[Topsu]

Can you show me an instance of Fernando heralding himself as one of the greats?

Would it matter to you if he did?

[Creepy]

Can you show me an instance of Fernando heralding himself as one of the greats?

This is really the problem here. For some reason people attribute a lot of unbased things on Alonso. I'm tired of reading here "Alonso says this", "Alonso done that" without providing any real evidence other than assumptions and twisted words.

[CrucialXtreme]

Would it matter to you if he did?

Indeed I would look at him in a bit different light.

[Creepy]

Would it matter to you if he did?

Even if this question wasn't thrown to me, let me tell you that yes, it matters to him and everybody with a bit of fairness inside their hearts. When people accuse Alonso of saying or doing something he did not while calling him names, it's really relevant to back up those accusations with facts. It matters!

[ASFA2011]

This whole thing of people bitc*ing about Ferrari /Alonso demanding a clarification is pure BS , they were in their right to do so because footage proved that not all was clear and losing the WDC by a mere 3 points is when as a team they need to make sure that everything was legal , it is not easy to throw away a whole year's work knowing that at the end something could have done illegally
My question is what would happen if indeed Vettel pass was not legal ? Or if it was the other way around , Ferrari winning the WDC and RB protesting because there was footage that Alonso may have passed someone illegally ? Would all these Vettel's fans be crying about it ?

[D.M.N.]

All the conversation about how great Alonso or Vettel is really is off-topic for the flag-gate incident and has turned into a bash thread. So, thread closed.