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Edited by SJ Lambert, 17 April 2018 - 00:04.
Posted 11 May 2017 - 23:45
Edited by Ray Bell, 11 May 2017 - 23:47.
Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:33
Does anyone know the whereabouts of the ex Jim McGuire (originally Alfa powered) 600B #6805? Alan Simpson owned it from 1973-88 and would love to know what's become of it. He sold it to David &/or John Medley in 1988 - it may still be a Medley mobile as Brian Lear's Register showed as much a couple of years ago.....
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Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:59
Posted 06 July 2017 - 10:13
Looks like I oughta read my Elfin newsletters more closely - Peter Whelan's the custodian of 6805 as of late 2016 by the looks
http://www.elfinheri...er_issue143.pdf
Posted 06 July 2017 - 14:00
Dave Medley restored 6805 to its original Alfa engined form and ran it periodically with Ross Hodgson at the wheel. Ross drove it very well but it was not quite up to the pace of the best Lotus twin cam powered 600s. Peter Whelan bought the car late last year and has been developing a demon Alfa engine for it so it will be interesting to see where it runs in future.Does anyone know the whereabouts of the ex Jim McGuire (originally Alfa powered) 600B #6805? Alan Simpson owned it from 1973-88 and would love to know what's become of it. He sold it to David &/or John Medley in 1988 - it may still be a Medley mobile as Brian Lear's Register showed as much a couple of years ago.....
Posted 06 July 2017 - 14:34
Posted 06 July 2017 - 21:12
Ray,
You really shouldn't refer to people by nicknames.
Pat
Posted 13 August 2017 - 10:24
Does anyone know what the rotors came off that went into the F2 Type 600? If fronts were 10 5/8" diameter & rears were 10 1/2 then that rules out Cortina...
Posted 13 August 2017 - 17:14
Posted 14 August 2017 - 00:49
Does anyone know what the rotors came off that went into the F2 Type 600? If fronts were 10 5/8" diameter & rears were 10 1/2 then that rules out Cortina...
James, I spent some time trying to identify the source of the rotors some years ago with only limited success. Although I was unable to identify any completed production component which Garrie may have used I was able to obtain some unmachined blanks from Disc Brakes Australia (DBA) in Sydney from which Dave Mawer produced a batch of rotors subsequently used in my own car and those owned at the time by Richard Carter (6803) and Dave Medley (6805). I still have a complete unused set on the shelf from that batch which should, hopefully, cover any future requirement for 6801.
The DBA blanks were listed as part number DBA075R and were used in the production of DBA075 intended for the rear of an S type Jaguar. My recollection is, however that the machined dimensions of the Jaguar component are unsuitable for a 600. The diameter dimensions we worked to were 10 1/2" at the front and 10 3/8" at rear as per the original components on 6801 and are a little different to what you mention. The spec listed in the Blanden/Catford Elfin book is different again at 10 5/8" front and 10 3/4" rear!!
I hope this helps but I should mention that, while DBA were of great assistance to us, there was an element of luck involved as I happened to call on them at a time when they had a batch of unused blanks in stock awaiting machining. That was all some 10 years or more ago and, as I imagine that they would not be selling a great number of S type Jag rotors these days, you would need to call them at the right time!! The problem is not simply getting rotors of the correct diameter, its the combination of diameter and offset.
Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:58
Thanks Paul, Dale Koennecke recalls having to machine "blanks" extensively, but not what their source was. I'll pass the above on.
Cheers SJ
Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:56
Posted 18 August 2017 - 09:25
Ron confirms that Garrie had rotor blanks cast to their design after Cliff's search for an existing rotor to suit came up empty. The circumferential groove was Ron's touch to "add a little more lightness".I separated this pic because I'd like to make a few (I think) relevant comments:Garrie's 'personal cars' had a lot of bolts drilled for lightness, this can be seen here in the bolts retaining the top wishbone. He used an aluminium replacement hub similar to the Spitfire iron hubs, these were usually drilled to the 4.0" PCD, the discs were machined around the outer perimeter for lightness, while the Herald upright can clearly be seen to have a bracing gusset across the top bend to prevent flexing or failure.Of course, the front uprights were one of the things changed during the life of the 600, at some point (600C?) they went over to the cast magnesium 'live axle' style of upright as was being used on other cars built during that period.The regular car jack in use here contrasts with the 'quick lift' jack used in the photo of the rear end above...
Edited by SJ Lambert, 18 August 2017 - 09:41.
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Posted 19 August 2017 - 20:46
I would not be surprised if Garrie had them cast himself...
You can get anything made in Adelaide.
Could! All the manufacturers have left now!
Posted 19 August 2017 - 20:48
'Great Wall'?
Isn't that the breed which came in with asbestos in the head gaskets? And as a result of the Department of Infrastructure's neglect in allowing these to come in they are now mounting a campaign to make life difficult for people importing collector cars.
Unfortunately the Ferraris online web page about how it cost a Mustang buyer something like $30,000 has disappeared.
Yes. The dumber than dumber brigade has nearly made importing cars a thing of the past. The alleged asbestos in collector cars is about the same amount of asbestos in an Australian car of the same period.
Reputedly less than a Great Wall!
Posted 31 December 2017 - 03:15
6801 heads into it’s teenage years as Team Hamilton wheel her put for another dessin as me and niet brother try to act cool as we look on at the F1 AGP in Adelaide in the eighties!
The support event for the AGP in Adelaide - November 1989. It looks like we may have been heading off to scrutineering with my kit bag sitting on the engine cover. Did you give us a push, James?
There is more change in you and I than there is to the car since then, James, but we are all still recognisable!!
Posted 31 December 2017 - 22:34
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Posted 01 January 2018 - 03:16
Happy New Year Paul, I don’t remember giving a push - I have a vague recollection of Ron & you having a bit of a chat that day - which I presume must have been on the Saturday as it rained cats and dogs on the Sunday ?
Yeah, 6801 looks to be more frozen in time than us - A steady diet of avgas has done her no harm & neither has the vino for the Elfin aficionados !!
Happy new year to you too, James.
Our chat was probably on Thursday which was when the car was scrutineered and practice was scheduled. Unfortunately 6801 suffered terminal engine failure warming up prior to the first practice session when some debris inside the distributor lodged where it was not wanted and took a tooth off the jack shaft. At that point I thought my weekend was over but, even though there was no opportunity to practice, there was a political push to get the car into the race if it could be repaired and we spent most of Friday rebuilding the engine at Peter Nightingale's workshop. I then started the 5 lap prelim on Saturday from 37th on the grid having not driven around the circuit at all until the warm up lap. I managed to get up to 8th at the finish which would have given me a more respectable grid position on Sunday had it not rained causing cancellation of our race to allow the F1 cars an additional practice session in the wet.
We did get one lap in the wet simply to get the cars from the dummy grid back to our paddock spot. The conditions were such that I was glad we missed out on the Sunday race and was later fully supportive of Alain Prost when he retired from the GP because of the dangerous conditions. Visibility was absolutely nil around much of the circuit as the combination of safety fence walls alongside the road and overhanging trees through the parklands caused a concentration of spray the like of which I have not experienced before or since.
Does Ron have any other 600 photos from that meeting? As I recall we had a pretty good roll up which included Paul Flavel in 6802, Roger Seward in 6804 and Harley Boggis in 6907. There was a 'sitting' for a group photo shoot but I cannot now find my copy of that and the gathering was something which I would expect may have caught Ron's eye.
Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:08
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:18
"Just about definate .
Interesting that Ivan's car in early 1970 looks like it has been updated to 10.0'' and 14.0''
from the original 8 1/2'' and 12.0'' wheels.
"The first reference I have seen to the use of 10" and 14" wide wheels on a 600 was at the March 1970 Symmons Plains Gold Star race when McCormack and Cooper are said to have used them on 7011 and 7012 respectively in the initial appearances of both cars. I believe that they were then made generally available and many of the earlier cars were up graded.
Its interesting to note, however, that the real width dimensions of the first of these wide wheels were actually a little short of the 10" and 14" widths commonly referred to. I used a set on 6801 in the late 70's when it was BDA powered and the rears were only 13 3/4" in width which I was told was all that could be machined out of the castings Garrie had on hand. Perhaps the ace wheel machinist, Ron Lambert, may be able to throw some light on that. "
Paul - are your Avons sized at 8.2/22.0 x 13 and 13.0/24.5 x13 ?
Edited by SJ Lambert, 01 May 2018 - 01:05.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:32
Paul - are your Avons sized at 8.2/22.0 x 13 and 13.0/24.5 x13 ?
Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:00
I would not be surprised if Garrie had them cast himself...
You can get anything made in Adelaide.
Could Ray, not anymore. All those business's have gone. As I keep finding.
Posted 17 April 2018 - 03:03
Just for the record and as a point of interest for Elfin enthusiasts I would like to mention that the type 600 is now a venerable 50 years old having reached that point on the anniversary of 6801's debut at Calder on the weekend of 23/24 March 1968. The car is still alive and well having entered its second active half century at HSRCA's Wakefield Park meeting on 7/8 April. It will be returning 'home' to Adelaide this coming weekend (April 21/22) which is as good a place as any to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the car's most significant performance in winning the Singapore GP on around April 13/14 1968 in the hands of Garrie Cooper.
Posted 17 April 2018 - 03:58
Well done 6801 and Paul!
Here's to a lot more laps down the track!!!
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 16:40
I'd like to catalogue the Elfin in post 185 correctly.............which model is it ? 600_
macoran
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 19:21
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Posted 26 April 2018 - 07:54
How’d the alternate fronts go this weekend Paul?
No detectable difference for me, James, but that may simply be due to old age and a consequent decline in my 'feel' for such small changes. My use of the 9.2s was driven by availability rather than a desire to experiment and I will be quite happy to revert to the 8.2s which fit more nicely on the 8.5" wide rims.
Where were you and Elmo on the weekend?
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Posted 24 December 2023 - 10:11
Brought this 600B wheel set out for a photo shoot with the good camera today, but these shots are from my phone as I couldn’t put my hands on a cord to transfer the good pics from the Nikon to my laptop.
Dad & I got his Formula Vee going today too, sorted clutch, but have yet to get any brakes!https://youtu.be/yVN...Pj2bmC5yd-1VCQR