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#1 kosmos

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:29

This weekend in Malaysia, Fernando Alonso will celebrate taking part in his 200th Formula 1 Grand Prix. This will put the Spaniard fourteenth on the all-time official list, behind Jean Alesi and Alain Prost, both on 202.

And what better place to celebrate this important milestone than the Sepang Circuit which holds great memories for Fernando and where he has had so many successes: in eleven races, the Ferrari man has won three times, finished four times on the podium, seven times in the top ten and secured two pole positions. His last win here was in fact in a Ferrari, at the wheel of the F2012 last year. It was a race that saw Alonso climb up the order from eighth place, thanks to a winning strategy from the Scuderia, combined with his skill in the wet.


More here: http://formula1.ferr...news/200-alonso




Congratulations to Fernando, not many drivers can say the raced for so long. Let's hope he entertain F1 fans with another epic drive like he did in 2010 or 2012 :up:



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#2 Zava

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:33

Alonso & Webber celebrates his 200th Grand Prix
;)

#3 joshb

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:34

I've got Webber down for his 200th too. Congrats to them both. A remarkable achievement (even now there's 19-20 GPs a year)
This will be Alonsos 199th start (USA 2005 tyre shambles)
Webber's 198th start (USA 2005, Spain 2002 with the minardi wings)

#4 Richard T

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:44

Welcome to Club 200 to them both :)
Button was the last man to join right? Hungary 2011 (which he won)

#5 ArkZ

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:48

Actually he scored 5 podiums

3rd in 2003 (Renault) first podium in the career
2nd in 2006 (Renault)
1st in 2005 (Renault)
1st in 2007 (McLaren)
1st in 2012 (Ferrari)

PP in 2003 first pole in the career
PP in 2005

Definitely the driver to beat there.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:50

Welcome to Club 200 to them both :)
Button was the last man to join right? Hungary 2011 (which he won)

A good omen, but there can be only one (to quote a crappy '80's hit movie) and I would not bet against Alonso being that one.

#7 Jazza

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:05

Congratulations to him, but 200 just doesn't seem that impressive anymore. When Jean and Alain retired it felt like they had been there forever and were due to hang up the helmet. Maybe because of drivers like Schumacher and Rubens, as well as a big calendar, 200 seems easy. The impression I have of Alonso is a driver that has years to go, when really a driver of his experience would normally be getting close to stopping or have already retired. 300 seems to be the new 200.

Edited by Jazza, 19 March 2013 - 11:16.


#8 Wander

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:14

A good omen, but there can be only one (to quote a crappy '80's hit movie) and I would not bet against Alonso being that one.


It's an awesome movie! But with legendarily horrible sequels.



And 200th Grand Prix for Alonso and Webber. Cool, um... Yeah...

Edit: Well, actually, they will also be moving into the top 10 in the most experienced F1 drivers list by the end of this season, which is pretty cool. I wonder if Alonso could continue this to his 40s and overtake Barrichello. 5 more seasons for Button and 7 for Webber and Alonso would be enough for the first position!

Edited by Wander, 19 March 2013 - 11:26.


#9 HistoryFan

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:06

What were the best GP of this 200?

I think Valencia is my favorite

#10 Jackmancer

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:12

Mark Webber has most points (856.5) without becoming world champion, all-time record, though very skewed due the new point regulations. Webber did take 130 races to win his first one though, which is still a record as well.

#11 Richard T

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:23

What were the best GP of this 200?

I think Valencia is my favorite


Yes valencia 2012 is right up there! Never seen him so happy...

As for Webber I reckon Silverstone 2010 as his best, won against all odds with Seb and the front wing controversy.


#12 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:25

Silverstone 2012 was probably better, he had to beat Alonso at least. Vettel was a non factor in 2010 after a few corners.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:26

Technically this isn't either of their 200 race. If they're both doing it how button did it then they won't celebrate it at malaysia.

#14 Alfisti

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 13:52

Silverstone 2012 was probably better, he had to beat Alonso at least. Vettel was a non factor in 2010 after a few corners.


Silvestone 2012 by a country mile, his only win without a "yeah but" asterix.

#15 Ravenak

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 15:56

Technically this isn't either of their 200 race. If they're both doing it how button did it then they won't celebrate it at malaysia.


Indeed, it's his 200th Grand Prix, but only his 199th start.

He will celebrate it in Sepang nonetheless, Ferrari have already talked about it.

Edited by Ravenak, 19 March 2013 - 15:56.


#16 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:35

200 is an achievement, but as others have written with a higher number of races per season it becomes more and more frequent for this to happen. So while still congratulating Alonso for reaching 200 Grand Epreuves, the achievement will be in seasons raced

Current top ten:

Rubens Barrichello	 19 Seasons
Michael Schumacher	 19 Seasons
Graham Hill 		   18 Seasons
Riccardo Patrese	   17 Seasons
Jack Brabham		   16 Seasons
Jo Bonnier			 16 Seasons
Maurice Trintignant	15 Seasons
Andrea De Cesaris	  15 Seasons
Nigel Mansell		  15 Seasons
David Coulthard		15 Seasons
Jarno Trulli		   15 Seasons

Active one closest Button at 14.

:cool:

#17 Ragingjamaican

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:08

Jo Bonnier
Maurice Trintignant

Not heard those two from that list.

#18 Richard T

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:40

Jo Bonnier
Maurice Trintignant

Not heard those two from that list.

Jo Bonnier - Swedish driver, won his first and only GP at Zandvoort in '67

Edited by Richard T, 19 March 2013 - 17:40.


#19 ed24f1

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:43

Technically this isn't either of their 200 race. If they're both doing it how button did it then they won't celebrate it at malaysia.

I'm sure Webber will be happy to celebrate his in Bahrain instead!

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#20 Boxerevo

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:36

Go go 300 Alonso !!!

#21 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:12

Jo Bonnier
Maurice Trintignant

Not heard those two from that list.


So take it that you are no in to the older history of F1.

Maurice Trintignant raced first time in 1950, and last time in 1964. Won 2 Grand Epreuves, and had a best placing in the WD as 4th which he was in 1954 amd 1955. He won the Le Mans 24 hour race in 1954.

Jo Bonnier raced first time in 1956, and last time in 1971. Won 1 Grand Prix, and had a best placing in the WDC as 8th in 1959.

:cool:

#22 apoka

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:21

Here is a ranking of all drivers by number of GP entries:

http://www.motorspor...t...50&pageno=1

Webber and Alonso are joint 14th, but will be top 10 at the end of this year. I think Alonso will finish his career with something like 300 GPs.


#23 ArkZ

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:51

Here is a ranking of all drivers by number of GP entries:

http://www.motorspor...t...50&pageno=1

Webber and Alonso are joint 14th, but will be top 10 at the end of this year. I think Alonso will finish his career with something like 300 GPs.


Yeah. Thanks for source, they should be P8 with 217 and Button P5 with 250 at the end of the year, next year Raikkonen and Massa will celebrate their 200th GP with 178 and 175 respectively right now, after them is long..... way to the next driver Rosberg with 129.

#24 Ravenak

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:55

Here is a ranking of all drivers by number of GP entries:

http://www.motorspor...t...50&pageno=1

Webber and Alonso are joint 14th, but will be top 10 at the end of this year. I think Alonso will finish his career with something like 300 GPs.


Much better website for this:

http://www.statsf1.c...ues/pilote.aspx

#25 Atreiu

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:09

Congrats. He definitely got his name in the books with these starts/participations.


It is not good that so many drivers seem to reach 200 and more so effortlessly, kind of.

Edited by Atreiu, 19 March 2013 - 20:09.


#26 scheivlak

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:15

Jo Bonnier - Swedish driver, won his first and only GP at Zandvoort in '67

That was in 1959 - BRM's first win!

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:26

Much better website for this:

http://www.statsf1.c...ues/pilote.aspx



Not sure about the other site but on this one Alonso has 198 races ( including Aus 2013) and Webber 197 ???

#28 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:28

Not sure about the other site but on this one Alonso has 198 races ( including Aus 2013) and Webber 197 ???

They only count starts, rather than races. That means they don't count USA 2005 and, for Webber, Spain 2002. If you click on the driver profile, starts are called "Grand Prix" and races are called "involvements". So Webber, for example, has 197 Grand Prix and 199 involvements.

Edited by SpaceHorseParty, 19 March 2013 - 20:30.


#29 ZuTiMa

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:32

They only count starts, rather than races. That means they don't count USA 2005 and, for Webber, Spain 2002. If you click on the driver profile, starts are called "Grand Prix" and races are called "involvements". So Webber, for example, has 197 Grand Prix and 199 involvements.


If you have not raced how can it then count? ...

#30 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:41

If you have not raced how can it then count? ...


Because they participated in other sessions. For example, for the Australian GP we just had Hulkenberg would have an "involvement" but not a "Grand Prix", according to that site.

#31 ZuTiMa

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:43

Because they participated in other sessions. For example, for the Australian GP we just had Hulkenberg would have an "involvement" but not a "Grand Prix", according to that site.


Ok, thanks, still a massive achievement!


#32 ArkZ

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 20:48

Congrats. He definitely got his name in the books with these starts/participations.


It is not good that so many drivers seem to reach 200 and more so effortlessly, kind of.


If it will be successful year for Alonso he can achieve more prestige anniversary ,100th times on the podium only Schumacher and Prost were gifted to do it, he is already 3rd wih 87.

Edited by ArkZ, 19 March 2013 - 20:49.


#33 SB

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:03

If you have not raced how can it then count? ...


In the old days there were also cases of "Did not qualify", therefore unlike modern days the number of "involvements" (taken part in a GP weekend) may not directly equal to the number of "GP starts" (see the green lights on Sundays) .


#34 Richard T

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:42

That was in 1959 - BRM's first win!


Oh yeah sorry :wave:
Of course i know, I even read his book "Fast, faster, fastest?"..

Cheers

#35 Spillage

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 14:09

Jo Bonnier
Maurice Trintignant

Not heard those two from that list.

Trintignant himself was a two-time Grand Prix winner - both in Monaco, as it happens. In fact, the only member of that list that never won a GP is De Cesaris, whose longevity must be admired, if nothing else.

Edited by Spillage, 20 March 2013 - 14:13.


#36 pusko

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 14:12

just for the old time sake a bit....

Edited by pusko, 20 March 2013 - 14:12.


#37 Kingshark

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 14:40

He did not compete in Indianapolis 2005 because of the Michelin tyre shambles, so this is technically his 199th start.

Nevertheless, I'm actually quite surprised to see that Webber and Alonso are equally experienced given that Mark is actually quite a bit older than Nando. Then again, he did start his racing career at an older age too.

#38 Motorbreath

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 13:42

Happy 200th Fernando! :clap:

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 16:55

Indeed this will be Alonso's 198. GP, because there were two GP's where he didn't start. 2001 Belgian GP, after the accident of Burti and Irvine, tha race was restarted with a shortened distance, but it was a new start and Alonso didn't start (if you check Autocourse from that year, it stated for Alonso a DNS). 2005 USA has already been mentioned. The Michelin teams started the warm up lap, but hadn't finished it, they have returned to the box, so they didn't see the green light.

Edited by pkonsti, 23 March 2013 - 17:02.


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#40 Ravenak

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 17:24

Indeed this will be Alonso's 198. GP, because there were two GP's where he didn't start. 2001 Belgian GP, after the accident of Burti and Irvine, tha race was restarted with a shortened distance, but it was a new start and Alonso didn't start (if you check Autocourse from that year, it stated for Alonso a DNS). 2005 USA has already been mentioned. The Michelin teams started the warm up lap, but hadn't finished it, they have returned to the box, so they didn't see the green light.


The Formula 1 website, which is the only legitimate website for this kind of thing, states that he retired with a gearbox problem AND that the race was restarted, not subjected to a new start.

Therefore, he took part in the race, which you can't just ignore.

To sum it up: 200 Grand Prix, 199 starts.

And if you want a more reliable statistics site than Autocourse, go here: http://www.statsf1.c...ues/pilote.aspx

Edited by Ravenak, 23 March 2013 - 17:26.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 17:45

The Formula 1 website, which is the only legitimate website for this kind of thing, states that he retired with a gearbox problem AND that the race was restarted, not subjected to a new start.

Therefore, he took part in the race, which you can't just ignore.

To sum it up: 200 Grand Prix, 199 starts.

And if you want a more reliable statistics site than Autocourse, go here: http://www.statsf1.c...ues/pilote.aspx

FORIX sais the same, the race was restarted, for a shortened distance, and Alonso dns,
Autocourse for me is the most important source, and it sais the same.
At statsf1 (what you have linked): race distance: 36 laps, the original distance was 44 laps! Alonso retired after the first start. It means, that according to statsf1, the first start, and the first laps till the accident didn't count, a new race started at the second start. Since Alonso was not at the second start, it means DNS.
And Grand Prix is the race itself, you can call it Race Weekend. So 200 race weekends, and 199 GP starts.
Let's say Stewart, he almost had 100 GP's, but missed the last race of the 1973 year because of the death of Cevert (in the meantime he had practiced for the race, and qualified 5.). You don't say 100 GP, 99 starts. He had 99 GP's.



Edited by pkonsti, 23 March 2013 - 17:52.


#42 Ravenak

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 17:46

The only valid source is F1.com, which states that he retired AND that the race was restarted.

Alonso started the race at the first start, thus he started. But he did not restart, indeed.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 18:00

The only valid source is F1.com, which states that he retired AND that the race was restarted.

Alonso started the race at the first start, thus he started. But he did not restart, indeed.

F1.com sais:
"Race stopped after four laps because of accident. Race restarted for 36 of original 44 laps."
It means, that the first part of the race (the first start, and the first 4 laps have been deleted). If a race is restarted, it means a new start.
So there is a big contradiction in what F1com sais.


#44 Ravenak

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 18:09

F1.com sais:
"Race stopped after four laps because of accident. Race restarted for 36 of original 44 laps."
It means, that the first part of the race (the first start, and the first 4 laps have been deleted). If a race is restarted, it means a new start.
So there is a big contradiction in what F1com sais.


It says exactly this:

- 2005 FORMULA 1™ United States Grand Prix / Fernando Alonso / Withdrew
- 2001 Belgian Grand Prix / Fernando Alonso / Gearbox

Plus, the drivers that took part in the race at the first start were classified in the race results: they could not have done so if the 4 first laps had been "deleted", as you said.

"restart" does not mean "start", the drivers that started are taken into account in the race results. Thus, they took part in the race.

Which means:

Fernando Alonso : 200 GPs, 199 race starts.

Edited by Ravenak, 23 March 2013 - 18:09.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 20:06

The only valid source is F1.com, which states that he retired AND that the race was restarted.

Ostensibly, formula1.com is the official source, but it should be borne in mind that all the stats and results have been put on there since the site was built. So they will have been compiled from other sources and, particularly for older races, these are unlikely to have been from official results sheets. So there's potential for errors and historical revisionism to creep in. For example, it lists Swiss rounds of the championship for 1974 and 1981, which would have surprised the people there at the time who thought they were attending the French GP.

Contemporary reports will always be more reliable, so long as they were diligently compiled at the time. Autocourse is probably about as good as you're going to get, being sourced from the results issued at the race, but with a month or two for any subsequent protest-led revisions to be incorporated.

Restarted races are always a minefield. For example, Lauda non-started the '76 German GP, according to contemporary magazine reports, which used the results issued by race control, but formula1.com lists him as a retirement, having completed 0 laps, even though his accident occurred half-way round his 2nd lap. Go figure. Lauda himself has said: "If I didn't start the German Grand Prix, then what happened to my f**kin' ear?", or words to that effect.

So, Alonso has participated in 200 GP meetings and, currently, has started 197 GPs. Or 198. If tomorrow's race is stopped after a lap or two, and he doesn't make the restart, then he still will have contested 197. Or 198. Or 199. Or 200. Or thereabouts.

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#46 Ravenak

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 21:06

I don't see what's so difficult to understand, you're trying too hard: as soon as a driver appears on the results of a race as a classified driver, then it means he took part in it, especially if his car was on the starting grid and took part in the official event that is "the race", when the lights go off.

A good example of something that was NOT a restart, but a NEW START, is the 1998 Belgium Grand Prix: http://www.formula1....eason/1998/176/

It says "DNS" for four drivers, the ones who crashed out on the FIRST START, and that's it. For Belgium 2001, it says "Ret", for "Retired". It's pretty clear to me.

In other instances, for example the F1 USA Grand Prix 1990 (http://www.formula1....eason/1990/215/), when a driver did not qualify or pre-qualify, he has the mention DNQ or DNPQ.

You don't have any solid proof that www.f1.com results archive is less reliable, it's the only official source.

Ergo, you're wrong, and, therefore:

- Fernando Alonso: 200 GPs, 199 starts, tomorrow, if he starts.

Edited by Ravenak, 23 March 2013 - 21:08.


#47 Watkins74

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 21:35

Congratulations Fernando and Mr. Webber.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 03:02

More here: http://formula1.ferr...news/200-alonso




Congratulations to Fernando, not many drivers can say the raced for so long. Let's hope he entertain F1 fans with another epic drive like he did in 2010 or 2012 :up:


Here's to Fernando's 200th - 300th Grand Prix being the most successful stretch of his career! It is not just entertainment what he does for us fans - it is sheer art, the high art of racing on the sharp end of the grid for ten years now.

Now the championships will have to come - he highly deserves them.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 03:08

A good omen, but there can be only one (to quote a crappy '80's hit movie) and I would not bet against Alonso being that one.


Not that Sean Connery or Christopher Lambert were ever crappy actors - or Queen a crappy group providing the sound track.

Apart from this, there CAN be only one. And you are right, no one would bet against Alonso.

Congrats to Webbo and Fer for reaching the 200 in great style!

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 05:05

Fernando is planning to retire by the end of 2016. Hypothetically speaking, there are 19 races this year, and 20 in the next four; and he competes in all these races — Fernando Alonso will finish his career with 277 GP's (276 starts).