Does Malaysia 2013 make Vettel less attractive to other teams? [merged]
#1
Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:30
For mine it's not an error of judgement, it's a window into his personality.
I'd imagine that Ferrari don't care for that too much. Similar for the other big guys that get to pick the cream of talent (McLaren/Lotus/Merc). We saw clearly that Merc would expect the same as Red Bull.
Would these teams be willing to have a loose canon just because he's quick?
I can't help but think with the often talked about move to Ferrari it would be interesting to know what the guys in red think
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#2
Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:34
good driver but one day he's gonna wake up with all his trophies and wonder who he is
mymemoryfails
#3
Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:34
#4
Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:34
Why would any of the top teams bother?A clear and calculated breach of team orders, not a split second decision - how many teams would stand for that? Or more so, want to take on someone who shows so little regard for the teams wishes?
For mine it's not an error of judgement, it's a window into his personality.
I'd imagine that Ferrari don't care for that too much. Similar for the other big guys that get to pick the cream of talent (McLaren/Lotus/Merc). We saw clearly that Merc would expect the same as Red Bull.
Would these teams be willing to have a loose canon just because he's quick?
I can't help but think with the often talked about move to Ferrari it would be interesting to know what the guys in red think
Ferrari, Mercedes and Lotus aren't going to get an upgrade on their best driver by getting Vettel. Maybe when Alonso goes things will change for Ferrari.
Those 3 need Newey, not Vettel.
#5
Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:55
Edited by Dmitriy_Guller, 25 March 2013 - 03:55.
#6
Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:57
I doubt it, as long as he's a good driver. He has the negotiating power, that's why he did what he did today. You can get away with a lot of **** if you're one of the best. If sabotaging the entire team didn't make Alonso less attractive, ignoring a team order wouldn't make Vettel less attractive. If Vettel were fired tomorrow, he's be choosing from at least half a dozen offers a day from tomorrow.
From.....?
mymemoryfails
#7
Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:12
your probably looking at less money/more pr days than a hire/not hire thing. a concern for the smaller teams would be he can be average if the car has some certain types of bad handling
#8
Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:14
#9
Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:36
#10
Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:48
#11
Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:52
#12
Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:48
#13
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:01
#14
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:09
If he goes to a team with no team orders, it also doesn't make that much of a difference.
In other cases, it depends on what can be learned from yesterday. He usually learns from mistakes, but let's see.
#15
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:14
Probably not really.
Indeed, he is probably perceived good enough to survive almost any **** storm like Alonso in the wake of 2007.
Well quite a few people beat me to it.
Edited by Oho, 25 March 2013 - 07:20.
#16
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:40
I know you guys wont accept this but judging some one on only one incident is preety childish,especialy since Webber has also ignored team orders in the past but that has been conviniently forgoten.
Seb has realised he was wrong,and apologised for it.I found the apology sincire because if you read what some scibes tweeted the Rebull PR people were not given a chance to talk to him.Thats the most he could do,now its up for Webber to accept it.If you ask me that has shown HIS personality more,ready to accept a mistake like a man and take it on the chin.And Vettel has accepted various mistakes before you jump on me,SPA 2010 to Button,2009 Australia on Kubica,2007 Fuji on Webber himself.
Calling him out on yesterdays anticts is a tad rich IMHO.
#17
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:45
So if he breached team rules? He has delivered consistent performances and PUMMELED his team-mate into submission. Webber looked like a broken man, annihilated by the Austrian.
#18
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:45
#19
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:50
3x WDC? He has all the power.
Well, depends where most of his 3xWDCs came from - the car or the driver. And the answer is pretty clear.
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#20
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:52
In some ways his stock may actually have gone up.You are kidding yourself if you think his stock has gone down.
Edited by Obi Offiah, 25 March 2013 - 11:52.
#21
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:45
Well, depends where most of his 3xWDCs came from - the car or the driver.
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
#22
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:50
If the other team want to win WDC, the ansewr is No.
#23
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:51
One of the big questions for me to come out of his whole event is the affect it has had on Vettel's image - both outside of the sport and inside of the sport (not least within his own team).
He has for a very long time been the golden boy of the media: Excellent at working the room, close to Bernie, projecting a very happy-go-lucky demeanor, and a extremely successful racing driver to boot. But has the events of Sepang, which included the very public "Get him out of the way" outbust caused a major dent...... or conversely enhanced his image by cementing him as a ruthless racer just like a lot of the greats?
From a personal point of view I think he has defiantly taken, at the very least, a short-term hit - and left Sepang with a lot less admirers both internally and externally.
Edited by maverick69, 25 March 2013 - 10:18.
#24
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:52
Oh wait... I forgot the hypocritical double standard...
#25
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:53
I never liked Vettel cause I felt he was a bit of a boring character. I think he's still a little lying crybaby but at least he's less boring now. I'd actually start to like him if he was just honest on the podium and said 'well Mark, I was faster and I overtook you. Yes I did it on purpose, of course I did it on purpose'.
Senna never really lied about crashing into Prost at Suzuka.
#26
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:53
#27
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:53
After the race: Taken a hit.
If only he didn't apologize...
#28
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:54
#29
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:54
That I agree on.If only he didn't apologize...
Out of the car, he is still just an insecure 25 year old.
#30
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:01
#31
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:01
Well, depends where most of his 3xWDCs came from - the car or the driver. And the answer is pretty clear.
So why hasn't Webber won any WDCs?
#32
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:03
Though, generally, I expect him to be booed. But then again, it would be nothing new for him. I've got to say you have to admire this kid that he doesn't let the critique affect his driving. He's quite strong mentally.
#33
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:03
Outside the sport? Taken a huge hit in England certainly, all my friends have been texting me to slag him off
#34
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:04
Is he still an attractive commodity based on sheer talent? Of course. Just a bit less attractive now that potential employers have to wonder if he'll do what he's told at critical moments, or arrogantly ignore them.
#35
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:04
#36
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:04
Is Vettel as good as those guys though? History will tell us, but I don't think he is, not yet anyway.
#37
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:06
#38
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:06
Thought Brundle's comments on this post race, on Sky, were very interesting.
What where his comments?
#39
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:06
I don't think the comparisons to Silverstone 2011 are exactly right either. Whilst Mark was wrong for challenging Vettel that day, in the end he did hold position, and you can see from the onboard he could've overtaken him.
Edited by Meanbeakin, 25 March 2013 - 10:09.
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#40
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:08
Either you can take away that he's a 'win at all costs' guy and respect him for it, or that he's a talented cry-baby who wants everything handed to him and isn't a team player.
I know personally which camp I'm in, but eh...
#41
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:08
#42
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:08
But some people feel Vettel has been hyped up because of his achievements in a car that is the class of the field and it wont go away until he wins outside of redbull. And for what happened on the weekend, well he has hardly made himself look like the darling of moment did he
#43
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:11
I think its taken a bit of a blow, atleast in the short run. But when his career is, god willing, done and dusted, this might, god willing, be highlited to show what a fighter he is.
Well, at the end of the day Schumacher's controversies are footnotes to his career, what he's most remembered for is his 7 world championships and 91 race victories.
Ditto Senna isn't remembered for his controversial moments as much as he is being one of the best drivers in the history of F1.
#44
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:11
Not sure really how this could enhance his image.
Of course it does because it proves he's a 'real racer' blah, blah
First he bleats to his team about getting his teammate to move over for him...
Then pounces after his teammate is told to effectively enter cruise mode...
All 'real racer' stuff
Edited by G_Walter, 25 March 2013 - 10:12.
#45
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:13
During the race: Enhanced.
After the race: Taken a hit.
If only he didn't apologize...
This. Stick by your actions.
His wimpy squirmy fake apology was the worst.
#46
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:13
Mark himself said he didn't want or try to hold position.I don't think the comparisons to Silverstone 2011 are exactly right either. Whilst Mark was wrong for challenging Vettel that day, in the end he did hold position, and you can see from the onboard he could've overtaken him.
At least own up to reality.
#47
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:13
Ha! Indeed.Of course it does because it proves he's a 'real racer' blah, blah
First he bleats to his team about getting his teammate to move over for him...
Then pounces after his teammate is told to effectively enter cruise mode...
All 'real racer' stuff
#48
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:16
#49
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:17
It won't help it put it that way. The next time he goes to Albert Park will be interesting.
I don't think the comparisons to Silverstone 2011 are exactly right either. Whilst Mark was wrong for challenging Vettel that day, in the end he did hold position, and you can see from the onboard he could've overtaken him.
False. Mark himself stated that he ignored and tried to get past, but just couldn't.
Well, at the end of the day Schumacher's controversies are footnotes to his career, what he's most remembered for is his 7 world championships and 91 race victories.
Ditto Senna isn't remembered for his controversial moments as much as he is being one of the best drivers in the history of F1.
A lot more people remember Schumachers controversies than Sennas, for the simple reason that Senna died.
Edited by choyothe, 25 March 2013 - 10:20.
#50
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:18
Or finished 2nd even just once.So why hasn't Webber won any WDCs?