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[Sin]

Best Driver
Nico Hülkenberg for leading in that Sauber, which still is not perfect...

Worst Driver
Esteban Gutierrez, Rookie mistake but really gotta get your stuff together

Best Team
Ferrari - Don't like them but this weekend they were the best...

Best Overtake
Hülkenberg on Vettel relatively at the beginning

Best Moment
Mark loosing his tyre and nobody getting hurt

DRS + Tyres
Tyre degradation that extreme stinks, no fun to watch this way

And the race in a sentence...
Karma really exists...

Edited by Sin, 14 April 2013 - 16:07.

[Sennasational]

Sin, on Apr 14 2013, 17:07, said:

Best Moment
Mark loosing his tyre and nobody getting hurt

And the race in a sentence...
Karma really exists...

These comments are more ridiculous than a set of Pirellis. To support Vettel is one thing, and a fine thing at that, but this is just excessive hate. Just cheer for your own driver, don't wish for, or be pleased about the misfortune of others, especially when it's dangerous. Mark Webber did not deserve the weekend he had, not in the slightest.

[Sin]

you can say so about the Karma moment (which is simply my opinion), the wheel moment I really thought was quite funny... just as I found all the people shooting out in Nürburgrings rain funny... in this case it has nothing to do with Mark... o.O sorry if I offended anyone here... Best moment is probably the wrong title but I quoted opinion post... what I meant was best as in funniest

and I didnt wish for anything like this to happen... nobody got hurt as I wrote... o.O you are ultra sensitive

Edited by Sin, 14 April 2013 - 16:28.

[Sennasational]

Sin, on Apr 14 2013, 17:21, said:

you can say so about the Karma moment (which is simply my opinion), the wheel moment I really thought was quite funny... just as I found all the people shooting out in Nürburgrings rain funny... in this case it has nothing to do with Mark... o.O sorry if I offended anyone here..

and I didnt wish for anything like this to happen... nobody got hurt as I wrote... o.O you are ultra sensitive

It's not sensitivity, it's a respect for all the drivers. Just because you don't support a driver doesn't mean they deserve to suffer technical issues. I imagine you wouldn't have found the situation quite so amusing if the tyre had hit Vettel's car and caused a retirement, or an injury.

[Sin]

it didn't cause injury.... thats the point

[encircled]

Seanspeed, on Apr 14 2013, 14:51, said:

If you just read the posts, you'd think most everyone hated it. Poll shows otherwise. The minority always seems to be the most vocal, doesn't it?

I give it an 8/10. Yes, tire strategy played a huge role and it was pretty clear who was going to win it about halfway through, but I thought it was pretty thrilling from start to finish if you look at everything that went on. Gonna need to watch a 2nd time to see all the happenings further down the order.

Best moment - Leader getting passed by two Ferrari's in one go!

Actually, if you compare last year's China race to this one based on average votes, there is a huge difference. So far as of 195 votes from this thread, the average score of Rate the Chinese GP 2013 is 6.31 while last year is at 8.28. I think that is a huge drop off.

[mclarensmps]

My gripe (if you can call it that), is that it felt more like a mini Le Mans race, rather than an F1 race, simply due to the strategies. There are a lot of quiet voices now, who vehemently argued about racing to a laptime/delta, etc not being an occurance in F1. It actually defines this season. I find this amusing

[dreamer]

Best Driver - Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton
Worst Driver - Gutierrez and Perez
Best Team - Ferrari
Best Overtake - Massa on Hamilton L1
Best Moment - The last lap when Vettel was catching Hamilton
DRS + Tyres - I don't like them
And the race in a sentence - it was a good race 8/10

[Longtimefan]

To the people that voted the race 10/10

When you have a few spare minutes, head to YouTube and watch some 60's, 70's and 80's F1.

[apoka]

As others, I didn't like the race too much as the delta driving was a bit too obvious (plus things like Button asking whether or not he should defend). On the positive side, strategy was interesting and all the WDCs drove very well. That makes you think they deserved what they won.

Edited by apoka, 14 April 2013 - 17:06.

[ApexMouse]

Longtimefan, on Apr 14 2013, 18:05, said:

To the people that voted the race 10/10

When you have a few spare minutes, head to YouTube and watch some 60's, 70's and 80's F1.

So boring. Drivers not on the limit, saving engines and gearboxes driving at 3.7% of the maximum.

Chapman making Clark cars that are 65 seconds a lap faster than anything.

And crappy fake passes, drivers just push the max turbo boost button and drive straight by. Then one overtake and they have to save fuel for the entire race.
This F1 is ****, I want 1940's GP back!

Edited by ApexMouse, 14 April 2013 - 17:11.

[olliek88]

A good, decent race with a tense finish. I don't get the criticism for Pirelli though, the primes lasted fine, JB managed 26 laps on them. As for the options Pirelli have said this year they intended to use the option as more of a qualy tyre, which is exactly how its worked out.

My biggest gripe is with DRS though, there is no need for it, there hasn't been since Pirelli came in to be honest, it was introduced as a response to the dull 2010 races on the ever lasting Bridgestones. Providing Pirelli continue to be aggressive with their tyre choice then DRS isn't needed, it was completely overkill this weekend IMHO.

[olliek88]

ApexMouse, on Apr 14 2013, 18:09, said:

So boring. Drivers not on the limit, saving engines and gearboxes driving at 3.7% of the maximum.

Chapman making Clark cars that are 65 seconds a lap faster than anything.

And crappy fake passes, drivers just push the max turbo boost button and drive straight by. Then one overtake and they have to save fuel for the entire race.
This F1 is ****, I want 1940's GP back!

I see what you did there.

[Sennasational]

olliek88, on Apr 14 2013, 18:14, said:

A good, decent race with a tense finish. I don't get the criticism for Pirelli though, the primes lasted fine, JB managed 26 laps on them. As for the options Pirelli have said this year they intended to use the option as more of a qualy tyre, which is exactly how its worked out.

My biggest gripe is with DRS though, there is no need for it, there hasn't been since Pirelli came in to be honest, it was introduced as a response to the dull 2010 races on the ever lasting Bridgestones. Providing Pirelli continue to be aggressive with their tyre choice then DRS isn't needed, it was completely overkill this weekend IMHO.

And to his own admission, Button wasn't racing. I don't think the qualy tyre thing is entirely true, I think Paul Hembery just referred to them as that this race because that's what they had become, although I can almost guarantee it wasn't their intention.

[Fastcake]

The soft tyres are awful this year, if they wanted to make a separate qualifying tyre then do that and leave the options to last more than three laps. That dragged the score down, I gave it a 6/10.

[SunnyENTP]

Longtimefan, on Apr 14 2013, 18:05, said:

To the people that voted the race 10/10

When you have a few spare minutes, head to YouTube and watch some 60's, 70's and 80's F1.

They were not alive during that era no wonder they think this is racing.

[olliek88]

SunnyENTP, on Apr 14 2013, 18:49, said:

They were not alive during that era no wonder they think this is racing.

Go back to any race during those eras and you'll struggle to find too many races where more than half a dozen drivers finished on the lead lap.

Tinted. Glasses. Rose.

[undersquare]

olliek88, on Apr 14 2013, 18:57, said:

Go back to any race during those eras and you'll struggle to find too many races where more than half a dozen drivers finished on the lead lap.

Tinted. Glasses. Rose.

+1

If you actually watch an entire old race it's more often than not a lot less interesting than you fondly remembered!

I gave this a 9. There was always something going on, capped by an electric finish with those amazing laps by SV.

As for artificial, the whole concept of circuit racing under rules is artificial. The need for consummate skill is stronger than ever, which is why the top 5 finishers were ALL wdc's and most No2 drivers were thrashed by their No1's.

[Snic]

undersquare, on Apr 14 2013, 19:11, said:

As for artificial, the whole concept of circuit racing under rules is artificial. The need for consummate skill is stronger than ever, which is why the top 5 finishers were ALL wdc's and most No2 drivers were thrashed by their No1's.

[SpaMaster]

Vettel was making up about 3 s per lap for those final 5 laps. He went from 5 s in the lead, pitted (15 s difference), came out and gave a thriller finish behind Hamilton. You think Hamilton was not going flat-out in those laps? You think Kimi who had a lead of 1.5, saw 0.5 s vanish and was setting green sector times to keep the gap to 1 s ahead of Hamilton, was not pushing during this time? These guys were running for their lives towards the end of the race, and we have people proclaiming this was fake racing!

Edited by SpaMaster, 14 April 2013 - 18:30.

[Msaman]

SpaMaster, on Apr 14 2013, 19:21, said:

Vettel was making up about 3 s per lap for those fine 5 laps. He went from 5 s in the lead, pitted (15 s difference), came out and gave a thriller finish behind Hamilton. You think Hamilton was not going flat-out in those laps? You think Kimi who had a lead of 1.5, saw 0.5 s vanish and was setting green sector times to keep the gap to 1 s ahead of Hamilton, was not pushing during this time? These guys were running for their lives towards the end of the race, and we have people proclaiming this was fake racing!

+1

[Sausage]

Yeah, I enjoyed the race overall but DRS here was pretty overkill. The tire situation is overblown, most cars did 3 stops, just about the amount that fans like (2/3). In the end the best driver and car won just as usual in F1.

[Dzeidzei]

SpaMaster, on Apr 14 2013, 19:21, said:

Vettel was making up about 3 s per lap for those final 5 laps. He went from 5 s in the lead, pitted (15 s difference), came out and gave a thriller finish behind Hamilton. You think Hamilton was not going flat-out in those laps? You think Kimi who had a lead of 1.5, saw 0.5 s vanish and was setting green sector times to keep the gap to 1 s ahead of Hamilton, was not pushing during this time? These guys were running for their lives towards the end of the race, and we have people proclaiming this was fake racing!

At least the race showed the quartet thats chasing the wdc this year.

[William Hunt]

Best Driver
Daniel Ricciardo, Fernando Alonso & Charles Pic

Worst Driver
Giedo van der Garde

Best Team
Ferrari

Best Overtake
Hülkenberg on Vettel

Best Moment
Hülkenberg leading the race in a Sauber

DRS + Tyres
DRS: way too easy to overtake
Tyres: couldn't be better, Pirelli again did a stellar job

Edited by William Hunt, 14 April 2013 - 20:47.

[olliek88]

SpaMaster, on Apr 14 2013, 19:21, said:

Vettel was making up about 3 s per lap for those final 5 laps. He went from 5 s in the lead, pitted (15 s difference), came out and gave a thriller finish behind Hamilton. You think Hamilton was not going flat-out in those laps? You think Kimi who had a lead of 1.5, saw 0.5 s vanish and was setting green sector times to keep the gap to 1 s ahead of Hamilton, was not pushing during this time? These guys were running for their lives towards the end of the race, and we have people proclaiming this was fake racing!

Sausage, on Apr 14 2013, 20:14, said:

Yeah, I enjoyed the race overall but DRS here was pretty overkill. The tire situation is overblown, most cars did 3 stops, just about the amount that fans like (2/3). In the end the best driver and car won just as usual in F1.

Agree on all counts.

DRS was far too effective. I've said it before and i'll say it again but i'd love to see what would happen if they saw sense and scrapped DRS. No need for it in this current Pirelli era.

[ANF]

Sausage, on Apr 14 2013, 21:14, said:

Yeah, I enjoyed the race overall but DRS here was pretty overkill. The tire situation is overblown, most cars did 3 stops, just about the amount that fans like (2/3). In the end the best driver and car won just as usual in F1.

Says who?

[bourbon]

Snic, on Apr 14 2013, 10:11, said:

Please rate objectively, and not on how your favourite driver finished

Here are my picks...

Best Driver

Kimi

Worst Driver

Poor Esteban

Best Team

Ferrari

Best Overtake

Hamilton on Button

Best Moment

The end when Seb blew off a 13 second gap with those funky tyres - unexpected thrill.

DRS + Tyres

Tyres were crap as always. DRS has its bonuses, but on the whole I would dump it from the sport still.

And the race in a sentence...

I can't capture this race in a sentence.

Edited by bourbon, 14 April 2013 - 22:03.

[Dispenser89]

A generous 5. Vettel made the last few laps a bit interesting and there was some argy-bargy in the opening laps and into turn 5 but mostly it was just dull imo. Strategy was a bit interesting but once you could figure out how the pieces lied, there weren't many interesting moves.

[ANF]

I didn't think Vettel's run on soft tyres was particularly thrilling. Hamilton would have been passed in a DRS zone if Vettel had caught him. And Vettel would have dropped back if the tyres had gone off.

Alonso vs Schumacher at Imola in 2005 and 2006 was tense.

[Morbus]

I like the race. It was a race I actually wanted to watch instead of fast forward or outright stop and check the results online like I often did in the Bridgestone era. Not that I haven't done it in the Pirelli era, but much less frequently.

It's about driving finesse, and I like it. I don't necessarily care for drivers going all out 100% of the time. Taking care of the cares can be just as hard, if not harder.

Gave it a 7.

[Afterburner]

To be honest, it wasn't that bad, but then I was watching Vettel and Raikkonen for much of the race. I think most of the drama in the race came from the question over how effective Vettel's eleventh-hour swap to softs was going to be. Once we had found out that Alonso, Hamilton, and Raikkonen were on the same strategy--which was quite early on, mind you--the only remaining question mark was to see where Vettel would fall into place.

Sort of amusing, really, because if you were watching the race in terms of times/deltas/gaps, this one was just as processional as any of the races from the Bridgestone era. By the numbers, there were few actual position changes amongst the leading cars; the only difference between this and a Bridgestone-era race was the occasional easy pass due to massive differences between tyres and the help of DRS.

If that's your definition of 'fake' racing, then I agree: the racing this weekend was quite fake.

[Seano]

I'm not a fan of fake F1.

If you want boring endurance racing there lots of that for you - leave us alone.

If you can't understand the complexities of toe to toe, out and out F1 racing, try WWE or the porn channels.

If you are wrinkled old gnome trying to fill your pockets with more of our cash - your shroud is ready and it doesn't have any - go figure that some other place.

F1 isn't green - and nor should it be, but tyres should last more than 5-6 laps.

And do get me going about that disfunctional DRS junk.

Seano

[BigCHrome]

4 - Very bad race, tires and DRS make it a pathetic farce.

Best Driver - Alonso
Worst Driver - Perez
Best Team - Ferrari
Best Overtake - none
Best Moment - Hamilton actually getting a decent start for once.
DRS + Tyres - crap like usual
And the race in a sentence...

Why has this happened to Formula 1?

[Raelene]

Quote

Sin

Best Moment
Mark loosing his tyre and nobody getting hurt


And the race in a sentence...
Karma really exists...

Very childish..you were getting mighty upset just the other week about what people were discussing about Seb, now you haven't stopped having pots of MW...are you worried he might have a mental breakdown like you were about Seb?

Edited by Raelene, 15 April 2013 - 01:23.

[Diderlo]

Sennasational, on Apr 14 2013, 19:17, said:

These comments are more ridiculous than a set of Pirellis. To support Vettel is one thing, and a fine thing at that, but this is just excessive hate. Just cheer for your own driver, don't wish for, or be pleased about the misfortune of others, especially when it's dangerous. Mark Webber did not deserve the weekend he had, not in the slightest.

Completely agree. There has been ill will against Webber by some Vettel supporters, which is distasteful. Although it is not only Vettel supporters of course and not every one of Vettel's supporters. Every driver has always these... fans.

It is even more sad when you talk about your driver's teammate. I mean come on. It should be teamwork. Wishing that teammate has a failure/crashes out is unbelievable. Teammate helps gather valuable points to your team and reduces the amount of points other contenders get. Of course also I want my driver(s) to beat their teammates, but I want it to happen with fair play, otherwise you can't really call it a victory, can you?

[SUPRAF1]

I really enjoyed it, especially Sebastians' fight to end. A small mistake by both him and his team cost him a podium. If his pitstop was perfect for example, he would have caught Hamilton. The differing strategies mean that you know there will be a fight to the finish instead of knowing the final order after the first half of the race .

One thing I don't understand is how Raikkonen was able to match leader's pace despite a damaged front wing. All the technical developments with millions of dollars of investment seem to suggest that tiny wing changes are an update, yet Kimi was driving around with the front wing completely messed up. I'm not saying his car was supposed to be undriveable, but it seemed like he was experiencing no visible aerodynamic penalties :S.

Edited by SUPRAF1, 15 April 2013 - 01:56.

[Afterburner]

Sennasational, on Apr 14 2013, 12:29, said:

It's not sensitivity, it's a respect for all the drivers. Just because you don't support a driver doesn't mean they deserve to suffer technical issues. I imagine you wouldn't have found the situation quite so amusing if the tyre had hit Vettel's car and caused a retirement, or an injury.

If you'll pardon the slightly off-topic post for a moment, I must say that Sin is doing a terrific job of establishing herself as the Vettel-supporting equivalent of karne. Those two should have a chat about Turkey 2010 some time--it'll probably be about as interesting as the crash itself.

No offence meant, Sin.

[Realyn]

Shiroo, on Apr 14 2013, 12:09, said:

Seriously people? rating it as 3-5?
What the heck?
It was nerve wrecking race! 3rd driver ahead of 4th one by 0.2SEC! last 5-6 laps were so tense
TENSE

Also great strategy race. People could run different strategy like Med med soft, med med med soft, soft med med med or soft med med. Undercuting, Overcuting, good overtakes from top drivers, best drivers in top 5.

THis race had everything.


Only shitty thing in the weekend was soft tyre. It had great speed (and it should be like that) but you should be able to drive on it 10laps+_ while med should be 20+-. And we got soft that was out even in best tyre management cars after 6-7 laps.

Wow, I'm getting sick with a post like this . No offense, but may I ask when did you start watching F1? pre ~2009 or after that?

I'm rarely bashing tyres, because in the end you have to race with what you got. I believe that Pirelli is doing a good job and most of the races are very good. But this race was everything but great for people who actually follow the strategies, deltas and stuff in their head. There was _NO_ racing for positions at all. Driver to pit: Should we fight? Pit: No, aim for lap time xyz.

Besides the Vet/But/Ham thing near the end there never was a real question how the top 5 would be looking like ... except maybe for the regular fan who saw Hul/Vet on 1-2 after 20 laps and got all excited. For example my Grandma. I had my birthday yesterday and we all watched F1 together. Needless to say, she is abit older and not the typical die hard F1 fan ;). Near the end she kept going how unfair it is that Vettel had to pit again for softs. I tried to explain to her, that the other drivers had the same disadvantages at the start of the race ...

Edited by Realyn, 15 April 2013 - 02:29.

[Sin]

oh come on some of you people take things to seriously... when I was posting this yesterday it was 18:00 I have woken up at 23:00 the day before that.... meaning I was god damn tired, I didn't think my post could cause offense or could have been misinterpreted in the way it did...

What best Moment meant to me was funniest moment.... if it is about most exciting moment then I would pick the last few laps....

and generally I was frustrated about constantly the same topic being brought up again (in another thread) Malaysia is over, everything has been discussed

and about Turkey 2010 ... I didnt watch F1 back then (watched 1999-when Jordan kicked Frentzen out, then started India 2011 again)... so luckily I escaped that discussion and I am glad I wont need to talk about that... since Malaysia already got on my nerves...

I admit that I might have been wrong in this thread, that what I meant was misunderstood... but I understand why it could be taken the wrong way... I apologize

But... :P I'm most of all a Sauber supporter... but yeah I like Vettel :P

Edited by Sin, 15 April 2013 - 02:35.

[mymemoryfails]

Sin, on Apr 15 2013, 13:26, said:

oh come on some of you people take things to seriously... when I was posting this yesterday it was 18:00 I have woken up at 23:00 the day before that.... meaning I was god damn tired, I didn't think my post could cause offense or could have been misinterpreted in the way it did...

What best Moment meant to me was funniest moment.... if it is about most exciting moment then I would pick the last few laps....

and generally I was frustrated about constantly the same topic being brought up again (in another thread) Malaysia is over, everything has been discussed

and about Turkey 2010 ... I didnt watch F1 back then (watched 1999-when Jordan kicked Frentzen out, then started India 2011 again)... so luckily I escaped that discussion and I am glad I wont need to talk about that... since Malaysia already got on my nerves...

I admit that I might have written wrong in this thread, that what I meant was misunderstood... but really .... I'm supporting Sauber most of all !!!!!

In the finest tradition of Vettelesque (non) apologies



mymemoryfails

[Sin]

Quote

I admit that I might have been wrong in this thread, that what I meant was misunderstood... but I understand why it could be taken the wrong way... I apologize

[Raelene]

mymemoryfails, on Apr 15 2013, 15:34, said:

In the finest tradition of Vettelesque (non) apologies



mymemoryfails

very true...

[TomNokoe]

Strange how many people have their best moment as Ferraris vs Hamilton but then go on to say that DRS was way over powered.

[Sin]

Raelene, on Apr 15 2013, 07:48, said:

very true...

It's the truth take it or not... besides I don't apologize for stating my opinion, which is that the scene was funny (wouldn't have been funny if anyone got injured but nobody got injured), but I apologize if people misunderstood it

Edited by Sin, 15 April 2013 - 05:54.

[Raelene]

I didn't misunderstand it - I just thought calling that the best part of the grand prix was very very childish...had Malaysia not happened, I don't believe for one minute you would have given that as your answer...

but mymemoryfails was spot on with his quote above

[klyster]

I wasn't that keen on the result of the race but it was exciting, and there were some good passes too 8/10 from me...

[Sin]

Raelene, on Apr 15 2013, 08:29, said:

I didn't misunderstand it - I just thought calling that the best part of the grand prix was very very childish...had Malaysia not happened, I don't believe for one minute you would have given that as your answer...

but mymemoryfails was spot on with his quote above

I would have... but yeah call me childish... shows exactly how mature you are

Edited by Sin, 15 April 2013 - 07:20.

[Raelene]

I rated it a 7

Start was great - middle a little boring, however didn't know how it was going to pan out

Would have liked to see how Webber's strategy would have worked out

Best part was Vettel hunting down Hamilton - lots of cheering for him to catch and pass him, but didn't quite do it.

Worst part - having to manage the tyres - would have preferred the flat out sprints of yesteryear (or like Vettel's last few laps)

[Giz82]

I rate that 1/10

Almost no actual racing going on. Such a shambles. Ditch DRS, I like what Pirelli is trying to do but they've gone too far now! They need to scale it back and be a bit more sensible.
The only exciting part of the race was the last few laps when Vettel was chasing down Hamilton, but even that was a bit false!

[encircled]

Afterburner, on Apr 15 2013, 02:06, said:

If you'll pardon the slightly off-topic post for a moment, I must say that Sin is doing a terrific job of establishing herself as the Vettel-supporting equivalent of karne. Those two should have a chat about Turkey 2010 some time--it'll probably be about as interesting as the crash itself.

No offence meant, Sin.

Haha, I will agree on this.

Now as for the voting average of this thread, of the current 285 votes by this time of posting, it is currently at 6.24 / 10. Compared to last year's China GP 8.28 / 10 average, the effect of those who didn't like the race due to the tires can be seen. Malaysia GP 2013 has an average score of 6.26 / 10 per 101 votes. Australian GP had an average of 7.7 / 10 per 168 votes.