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Should Mercedes be allowed in Young Driver Test

  1. Yes for 1 day (131 votes [32.91%])

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  2. No as we cant reward their actions that led to the "secret test" (267 votes [67.09%])

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#1 Techcheat

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:38

So now that the "young" drivers test is no longer limited to "young" drivers, shouldn't Mercedes be allowed to participate in it?

I understand the arguments against it that Mercedes has had 3 days of private testing. But come to think of it, it was FIA that "actively" encouraged them and "practically" gave them a go ahead to use the 2013 car. Their crime was far less serious than the crime commited by Lotus or RBR when they run parts/suspension that are not allowed, only to be told after a few races that you cant use them in the "future". In other words, FIA says, its ok to cheat as long as we dont catch you, once we catch you, Mr. Whiting will just tell his buddy Horner that change the car spec for the next race. And as for the advantage had in previous races running illegal parts, your for the taking bro, no worries at all.

But when Mercedes voilated the testing rule, on the behest of FIA (FIA is more culpable here than Mercedes thats why the linient punishment as Mercedes could have taken them to the court) you ban them from "young" driver test. However when its no "longer" a young driver test how can the punishment hold. They were banned from "young" driver test, not an old as dinosaur drivers test that is happening right now, innit?

Now you can argue that they had 3 days of testing. But so did Ferrari in all the more contreversial circusmtances (test paid for by Ferrari) in just what happened to be an older machine. But in Mercedes case they were advised by FIA's legal team your test is "legit". Once the punishment from tribunal was metted out, you cant change the goal post and say that now we are allowing "race" drivers from other teams to participate but Mercedes punishment effectively changes? Isnt this a bigger blow to them? Had they known in hindsight that "race" drivers would be allowed maybe tribunal would have handed a different decision, OR Mercedes would have had a right to challenge it?

You cant tell the convict post conviction that his punishment has effectively increased and he cant challenge it? Thats not natural justice. Lastly the point that Totto highlights is that all teams in 3 days test will be running "new" compounds and on safety ground Mercedes should have right to test them except going straight away into the race weekend. Free Practice race simulations are not long enough for them to know they "might" end up with a risky tire failure during a long race stint, do you want to jeopordise a team's driver or spectator safety in pretending to act fair by not allowing a team to test the new compounds for a problem that FIA is as much responsible as Mercedes to begin with.

Lastly this sport like all other sports over the years F1 has become more like Sports Entertainment. At least give credit to WWE for changing their name from WWF and having no calms about it. When you have commercial houses running the sports, paid drivers, needless restrictions on testing, than it really makes you think should we just stop watching the sport? When rules are bent, safety car deployed/not deployed based on whose leading and in which country (Nurburing perfect example when no safety car was deployed when Vettel was leading and Massa spun, but immidiately deployed when Grojsean catching up) than it leaves a sour taste in your mind. No consistancy in race marshals handing out penalties. Commentators give views about drivers based on their nationality and drive/shape public opinion.

Year after year after RBR virtually anhilates the field, with one team coming close in outright pace after few yars, what does FIA do? Ban them from testing for carrying out a secret test which they gave them permission for in the first place. Is this justice?

Lets hope sain heads prevail and Mercedes are allowed to test!

Edited by Techcheat, 09 July 2013 - 05:53.


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#2 Szoelloe

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:48

If it is possible, yes.

#3 seahawk

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:01

As there is no YDT, they should drive.

#4 speednerd

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:31

Here's a hypothetical situation:

Lets say that a terrorist is caught. He is tried in a court and sentenced to death. Now, before his sentence can be carried out, there is a big hue and cry from Amnesty International/Other NGOs and the laws of the land are changed. The death penalty is outlawed.

Should the terrorist be set free because he was sentenced to the death penalty and he won't be put to death now?

Edited by speednerd, 09 July 2013 - 06:32.


#5 Diablobb81

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:37

Should the terrorist be set free because he was sentenced to the death penalty and he won't be put to death now?


He wouldn't be set free, he would get life (or whatever highest penalty there is).

On topic :

Kind of hard to justify not letting Merc test new tires, introduced for safety reasons.

Edited by Diablobb81, 09 July 2013 - 06:37.


#6 bourbon

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:43

http://www.planetf1....-test-reprieve-

Mercedes believes it should be allowed to test.

I do not believe they should get any concession at all. They tested for 3 days and got an unfair advantage ove the rest, THEN, they got to use that advantage for 6 races. This bid just seems like cheaters attempting to further prosper.

Edited by bourbon, 09 July 2013 - 06:43.


#7 charly0418

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:54

I love how Toto Wolff used "safety" as a reason why they should test. What a joke

#8 Lazy

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:59

I think they are lucky this is the only sanction they have received.

#9 Techcheat

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:00

I think they are lucky this is the only sanction they have received.


A sanction for what? Doing what the doctor (in this case FIA and its legal team) ordered. Give me a break!

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:03

I love how Toto Wolff used "safety" as a reason why they should test. What a joke


Toto didn't use anything. The tires are changed for safety reasons.

Edited by Diablobb81, 09 July 2013 - 07:10.


#11 Raelene

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:05

No

they had their 3 day test

and it was unsupervised......

#12 Lazy

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:05

A sanction for what? Doing what the doctor (in this case FIA and its legal team) ordered. Give me a break!

Have a Kit-Kat.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:10

Merc had a joke punishment, now you want to reverse it?

Geez.

#14 Techcheat

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:23

Merc had a joke punishment, now you want to reverse it?

Geez.


At least they had a "punishment" for something that FIA advised them to do and told them was the law of the land. A "punishment" that effectively became null and void in the court of law as soon as Young Driver test became a Grandpa Test.

And what about Red Bull and Lotus? Who were caught red handed by FIA for having parts on their car that they raced with to gain and unfair advantage. They never got to see the light of justice, kept their points and had no penalties handed out to them? Is this a joke or what!

I am not soliciting a complete lift of the ban, I am suggesting them be allowed to test with all other race drivers for 1 day. Is a matter of safety, its a matter or law, and its a matter of natural justice.


Edited by Techcheat, 09 July 2013 - 07:55.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:24

Toto didn't use anything. The tires are changed for safety reasons.


One of its arguments is that with Pirelli's new 2012 construction tyres being introduced on safety grounds, it would not be wise for Mercedes to head in to a race weekend without having completed a single lap on them.

Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff told AUTOSPORT that the matter was still 'a work in progress' and that safety was an issue.

"When it is about safety it would be good if all teams are clear whether they [the tyres] work on their cars," he said. "But it is up to the FIA to decide.

"Safety is the priority for the FIA and I am sure they would safeguard that it is the same for everybody."





Hahahaha, Toto Wolff is a SNAKE, he has practice 1 in Hungary to test the tires.
If the tires work on the 10 other teams, they'll be fine with them

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:27

The sanction they got was ridiculously light,if they get to do this test as well then they practically got no sanction at all.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:32

Hahahaha, Toto Wolff is a SNAKE, he has practice 1 in Hungary to test the tires.
If the tires work on the 10 other teams, they'll be fine with them


Have to say, Wolff is a positive surprise for me. The guy took to it like duck to water, and is a great asset to the team. Good snakey.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:33

Merc should never have received any punishment, they were doing a Pirelli coordinated test for the benefit of all of the teams that will be participating next year.

The ones I feel sorry for are the thousands of fans who have paid their £15 a day for next weeks tests at Silverstone. Thanks to the complete incompetence of the blazers at the FIA the fans only get to see 10 of 11 teams running.

Heads should roll in Paris.

#19 Techcheat

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:33

Selective prosecution and punishment even if rightly juricated is no justice at all and doesnt hold in the court of law of natural justice. That is why the case against Flavio was thrown out in the court of law. Its not because he didnt cheat, but it was because how he was prosecuted.

FIA knew they were caught on the wrong foot by being "complicit" and the driver for Mercedes taking the decision to test. Therefore a token penalty was handed to them because anything severe would have been challenged by Mercedes in court of law. And FIA in all probability would have come out red faced. Therefore they chose path of least resisting that would make them look fair. Mercedes gladly accepted it as it was just a young driver test. The punishment, I repeat became null and void as soon as the YDT changed.

Why are teams allowed to use race drivers and change setup simply because of lobbying. The test was suppose to be just for young drivers. Later even when they allowed race drivers to test the new tires with restrictions on setup the likes of Mc Laren and Ferrari complained and FIA obliged by removing these restrictions.

So why its different for Mercedes. They can argue that their drivers be allowed for one day as well in luie of safety or whatever....



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#20 Szoelloe

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:33

Merc should never have received any punishment, they were doing a Pirelli coordinated test for the benefit of all of the teams that will be participating next year.


yep

Edited by Szoelloe, 09 July 2013 - 07:35.


#21 Techcheat

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:55

Imagine you ask the policeman if you can park your car at a spot thats not clearly marked. He says in "writing" that its "legal" and gets the traffic commisioner (FIA legal counsel) to validate this and give you the permission. You go ahead and park the car there. Than they give you a ticket stating parking is illegal because other commuters told the traffic police that parking on that spot "is considered" illegal. Thats what happened here. The joke is on FIA and not Mercedes. Mercedes did that any law obliging citizen would do.... They parked their car... :lol:

Edited by Techcheat, 09 July 2013 - 07:57.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:08

Imagine you ask the policeman if you can park your car at a spot thats not clearly marked. He says in "writing" that its "legal" and gets the traffic commisioner (FIA legal counsel) to validate this and give you the permission. You go ahead and park the car there. Than they give you a ticket stating parking is illegal because other commuters told the traffic police that parking on that spot "is considered" illegal. Thats what happened here. The joke is on FIA and not Mercedes. Mercedes did that any law obliging citizen would do.... They parked their car... :lol:


You know that Rosberg and Hamilton wore different race helmets ? Fia granted the test only if all teams had opportunity and Pirelli provided test drivers. They tried to hide the fact their primary drivers were testing, Ross is a sneaky one

#23 Szoelloe

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:16

You know that Rosberg and Hamilton wore different race helmets ? Fia granted the test only if all teams had opportunity and Pirelli provided test drivers. They tried to hide the fact their primary drivers were testing, Ross is a sneaky one


Yes, No, and no. The race helmets were sponsorless, not different. The rest is a cool story.


#24 Techcheat

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:24

You know that Rosberg and Hamilton wore different race helmets ? Fia granted the test only if all teams had opportunity and Pirelli provided test drivers. They tried to hide the fact their primary drivers were testing, Ross is a sneaky one


That was FIA's statement post protest from other teams planted in the media. However prior to the test between emails exchanged between Ross, Whiting and FIA legal counsel, nowhere was the clause mentioned that offer every team same opportunity or you cant use race drivers.

Its only when they were caught off guard by other teams complained the FIA stated that the test was only legit if all teams were offered the opportunity as stated in Perilli's contract. Not before. The FIA legal tribunal shares my opinion. What you are refering too, are english taboloids!

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:30

The sport seems to care a lot about "the show", recently. You'd think if this attitude was upheld they would give Mercedes at least a day.

#26 Wuzak

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:37

Mercedes have already had their test, so, no, they don't deserve to get another.

Edited by Wuzak, 09 July 2013 - 08:37.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:43

Yes, No, and no. The race helmets were sponsorless, not different. The rest is a cool story.


Well, why won't you tell us why they chose white overalls and white helmets for THAT specific test. Now that would be a cool story :D

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:45

But of coooourse they should be allowed to test. It's not a young drivers test anymore, so surely the punishment is then invalid! Totally shameless hypocrites, the last little sympathy I had left for that team just dissapeared now.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:45

Well, why won't you tell us why they chose white overalls and white helmets for THAT specific test. Now that would be a cool story :D


what do you think?


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:51

what do you think?


Well, to me it's pretty obvious - for the same reason why they never published a single press release or anything about the test, even though that has been the norm for god knows how many years.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:52

But of coooourse they should be allowed to test. It's not a young drivers test anymore, so surely the punishment is then invalid! Totally shameless hypocrites, the last little sympathy I had left for that team just dissapeared now.


Well, good riddance. I won't cry.

It's not the YDT, it's about one day with new tires. If it's a no go, presumably no test for RB and Ferrari for 2014 next month. You're all Brawn'ed again.


#32 Szoelloe

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:53

Well, to me it's pretty obvious - for the same reason why they never published a single press release or anything about the test, even though that has been the norm for god knows how many years.


You mean they thought it willl be kept a secret? And nobody will know it was the racedrivers?


#33 Blackmore

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:06

What is even more sad than Mercedes suddenly demanding to partake in this test is that there are still a few people defending Mercedes for cheating and trying to twist words and the outcome like it was all good.

They cheated, they got caught, they got punished (lightly but still), they should take it like a man and move on instead of whinging like little girls.

#34 stanga

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:12

I'm loving all the sea-lawyers and their pious devotion to the rules. Yet Red Bull carry ride height adjustment mechanisms and simply get told to remove it. Rather silly really, and rather amusing too.

#35 Shiroo

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:30

So now that the "young" drivers test is no longer limited to "young" drivers, shouldn't Mercedes be allowed to participate in it?

I understand the arguments against it that Mercedes has had 3 days of private testing. But come to think of it, it was FIA that "actively" encouraged them and "practically" gave them a go ahead to use the 2013 car. Their crime was far less serious than the crime commited by Lotus or RBR when they run parts/suspension that are not allowed, only to be told after a few races that you cant use them in the "future". In other words, FIA says, its ok to cheat as long as we dont catch you, once we catch you, Mr. Whiting will just tell his buddy Horner that change the car spec for the next race. And as for the advantage had in previous races running illegal parts, your for the taking bro, no worries at all.

But when Mercedes voilated the testing rule, on the behest of FIA (FIA is more culpable here than Mercedes thats why the linient punishment as Mercedes could have taken them to the court) you ban them from "young" driver test. However when its no "longer" a young driver test how can the punishment hold. They were banned from "young" driver test, not an old as dinosaur drivers test that is happening right now, innit?

Now you can argue that they had 3 days of testing. But so did Ferrari in all the more contreversial circusmtances (test paid for by Ferrari) in just what happened to be an older machine. But in Mercedes case they were advised by FIA's legal team your test is "legit". Once the punishment from tribunal was metted out, you cant change the goal post and say that now we are allowing "race" drivers from other teams to participate but Mercedes punishment effectively changes? Isnt this a bigger blow to them? Had they known in hindsight that "race" drivers would be allowed maybe tribunal would have handed a different decision, OR Mercedes would have had a right to challenge it?

You cant tell the convict post conviction that his punishment has effectively increased and he cant challenge it? Thats not natural justice. Lastly the point that Totto highlights is that all teams in 3 days test will be running "new" compounds and on safety ground Mercedes should have right to test them except going straight away into the race weekend. Free Practice race simulations are not long enough for them to know they "might" end up with a risky tire failure during a long race stint, do you want to jeopordise a team's driver or spectator safety in pretending to act fair by not allowing a team to test the new compounds for a problem that FIA is as much responsible as Mercedes to begin with.

Lastly this sport like all other sports over the years F1 has become more like Sports Entertainment. At least give credit to WWE for changing their name from WWF and having no calms about it. When you have commercial houses running the sports, paid drivers, needless restrictions on testing, than it really makes you think should we just stop watching the sport? When rules are bent, safety car deployed/not deployed based on whose leading and in which country (Nurburing perfect example when no safety car was deployed when Vettel was leading and Massa spun, but immidiately deployed when Grojsean catching up) than it leaves a sour taste in your mind. No consistancy in race marshals handing out penalties. Commentators give views about drivers based on their nationality and drive/shape public opinion.

Year after year after RBR virtually anhilates the field, with one team coming close in outright pace after few yars, what does FIA do? Ban them from testing for carrying out a secret test which they gave them permission for in the first place. Is this justice?

Lets hope sain heads prevail and Mercedes are allowed to test!

Both Lotus and RBR didn't break the rules, they were in the gray area all the times, and FIA just asked them to remove the parts after clarifications.

So I dunno how you can compare it to the clear rule break.
They shouldn't be allowed to participate


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:32

I'm loving all the sea-lawyers and their pious devotion to the rules. Yet Red Bull carry ride height adjustment mechanisms and simply get told to remove it. Rather silly really, and rather amusing too.


Have you had much success getting orange juice from apples?

Cars have been disqualified for running out of spec fuel. For mounting brake ducts fractions out a cm out of allowed parameters. Red Bull should most likely have been penalised in a similar manner, but being outside the technical specifications is a different form of rule breaking. Mercedes, to me, were more along the lines of when Hamilton lied (under advisement from his team, which doesn't make it any less honourable of him) in order to gain a place to the detriment of a competitor. They didn't run an out of spec car, but they did do something that was out of spec with the rules governing the sport. As much as people seem to cry Merc got punished by a court that found them innocent, the truth is they were found in breach, and as a result they received a penalty. Now it appears they're not to happy with the penalty, when their competitors are looking to get the same advantage "returned" as Merc gained in the first place.

Safety being an excuse is bordering on laughable, where were their concerns for the safety of the other 20 cars when they tested after Barcelona? And if they're genuinely that worried about the safety, they could use the 4 hours of track time prior to qually at the next race to assess the tyres and how to use them without danger.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:46

You mean they thought it willl be kept a secret? And nobody will know it was the racedrivers?


No, not necessarily a secret, it's pretty much impossible to host a full-blown test and keeping it a secret. Eventually it will come out. Please note that word, eventually.

I mean, come on, Why on earth tell the world about each and every little test, filiming and straightline session you do, but then keep quiet on just this one? What is the point? To me, it's obvious that they kept a low profile on purpose. The longer it was kept below the radar, the better. Enjoy the advantage as long as they can.

I fully respect if you have a better explanation. But even that fine gentleman Ross Brawn regretted their low profile - how come? You might want to consider that if my arguments don't make sense.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:47

Have you had much success getting orange juice from apples?

Cars have been disqualified for running out of spec fuel. For mounting brake ducts fractions out a cm out of allowed parameters. Red Bull should most likely have been penalised in a similar manner, but being outside the technical specifications is a different form of rule breaking. Mercedes, to me, were more along the lines of when Hamilton lied (under advisement from his team, which doesn't make it any less honourable of him) in order to gain a place to the detriment of a competitor. They didn't run an out of spec car, but they did do something that was out of spec with the rules governing the sport. As much as people seem to cry Merc got punished by a court that found them innocent, the truth is they were found in breach, and as a result they received a penalty. Now it appears they're not to happy with the penalty, when their competitors are looking to get the same advantage "returned" as Merc gained in the first place.

Safety being an excuse is bordering on laughable, where were their concerns for the safety of the other 20 cars when they tested after Barcelona? And if they're genuinely that worried about the safety, they could use the 4 hours of track time prior to qually at the next race to assess the tyres and how to use them without danger.


Ironic that you mention apples and oranges. Seems to me Merc were handed one punishment, which has now been commuted into something far more severe with the YDT becoming nothing of the sort.

A different form of rule-breaking? That you agree RBR should have been punished rather than simply told to take it off the car? I'm glad we agree.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:52

Ironic that you mention apples and oranges. Seems to me Merc were handed one punishment, which has now been commuted into something far more severe with the YDT becoming nothing of the sort.

A different form of rule-breaking? That you agree RBR should have been punished rather than simply told to take it off the car? I'm glad we agree.


So the punishment is getting closer to fitting the crime.

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#40 pUs

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:55

Well, good riddance. I won't cry.

It's not the YDT, it's about one day with new tires. If it's a no go, presumably no test for RB and Ferrari for 2014 next month. You're all Brawn'ed again.


Listen, you support a cheating team, I've got no problems with that. And you also support the cheaters in their quest to get away with an even lesser punishment. That's really cool, no crying needed :up:

I have no idea what it means to be 'brawned' though :confused: But perhaps you can tell me?

#41 weltmeister1995

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:59

It will not be fair to the other teams,I will say NO!

#42 PassWind

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:01

Geez the Gene pool at this end of the forum is rather shallow, what is it Tin Foil hat week over there?

#43 pUs

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:01

A bit more on-topic though;

Of course Mercedes should not be able to take part. If testing exclusively was supposed to improve the tires for everybody, then consequently all the other teams should certainly be able to provide plenty of reference data even without Mercedes. Merc certainly didn't complain about "safety" on behalf the other teams while doing development work exclusively, so why not just take the punishment and reap the benefits of the other teams testing?

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:04

A bit more on-topic though;

Of course Mercedes should not be able to take part. If testing exclusively was supposed to improve the tires for everybody, then consequently all the other teams should certainly be able to provide plenty of reference data even without Mercedes. Merc certainly didn't complain about "safety" on behalf the other teams while doing development work exclusively, so why not just take the punishment and reap the benefits of the other teams testing?


It would be better for Merc to do the YDT and invite the other teams to do the pirelli test with 2013 cars so that everyone was on an even playing field in my eyes.

As a punishment, Merc should then be fined/reprimanded and the FIA need to make clarifications to avoid future confusion.


#45 pUs

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:07

It would be better for Merc to do the YDT and invite the other teams to do the pirelli test with 2013 cars so that everyone was on an even playing field in my eyes.

As a punishment, Merc should then be fined/reprimanded and the FIA need to make clarifications to avoid future confusion.


Yeah, that would be a decent solution as well.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:09

A bit more on-topic though;

Of course Mercedes should not be able to take part. If testing exclusively was supposed to improve the tires for everybody, then consequently all the other teams should certainly be able to provide plenty of reference data even without Mercedes. Merc certainly didn't complain about "safety" on behalf the other teams while doing development work exclusively, so why not just take the punishment and reap the benefits of the other teams testing?

they were testing 2014 tyres and had no data about what they actually were. What did you want them to share?
of course all the teams benefit from what Mercedes tested in Barcelona since that was the input for Pirelli

#47 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:09

It would be better for Merc to do the YDT and invite the other teams to do the pirelli test with 2013 cars so that everyone was on an even playing field in my eyes.

nope..with 2014/unknown tires, Pirelli conducted

#48 Massa_f1

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:13

Absolutely not. If the ban gets overturned I will not be happy. They have had a 3 day test unsupervised, now let the rest of the grid have theirs.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:16

Absolutely not.

They have barely been punished as it is for this blatant breach of the regulations. Just because they had a poor German GP doesn't mean the paltry punishment they did get should be overturned.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:17

they were testing 2014 tyres and had no data about what they actually were. What did you want them to share?
of course all the teams benefit from what Mercedes tested in Barcelona since that was the input for Pirelli


Uhm.. where have I said that they should "share" anything?

I don't think you understood my point. If Merc testing for Pirelli alone will improve the tires for everybody, then of course everybody but Merc testing on behalf of Pirelli during the YDT will also improve the tires.

Why do Mercedes need to take part in that? I don't give a *** if the testing is for 2013 or 2014. You can't have it both ways. Either admit that tire development tests are important both for the teams and for Pirelli, or don't. But be consistent. If Merc can do testing for everybody else then it surely also works the other way around..

Edited by pUs, 09 July 2013 - 11:21.