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[Avastrol]

It seems like people got the notion of the precontract the other way around. When words of a 'precontract' came out, people thought that Ferrari had the option of Kimi being taken into the team only if Fernando leaves. It turns out that the option holder was Kimi himself, contingent on Lotus sorting themselves out!

 

I thought it didn't make sense if Kimi signed a precontract where he could be left in the lurch - it indeed didn't turn out to be that way, he was holding most of the cards all along.

[artista]

Pitlane, on 12 Sept 2013 - 18:27, said:

Hey that wasnt all that bad.. Not even a mention of Kimi, but surely he will make up for it sooner or later.

Oh! he did mention him in the previous tweets, but I will not post them here or the thread will turn again into a Kimi vs Alonso thread and I don't think the poor mods would enjoy it

[artista]

Skinnyguy, on 12 Sept 2013 - 18:19, said:

No surprise really, he´s been already saying best thing would be to keep Massa in the past. Even as close as last weekend.

Yep, that seems to be the main stream opinion in the main-stream Spanish F1 journos (with the usual exceptions, of course: Puigdemont, etc)

[Coops3]

icecream_man, on 12 Sept 2013 - 14:19, said:

I suspect people may be misunderstanding the point of the bunny pic here, I don't think it has anything to do with them feeling shafted by Kimi, just that it hurts a bit to see him go (ie look at the expression on the rabbit's face...)

My take was they were facetiously implying Kimi is going to get buggered at Ferrari.

[Lone]

artista, on 12 Sept 2013 - 18:41, said:

Oh! he did mention him in the previous tweets, but I will not post them here or the thread will turn again into a Kimi vs Alonso thread and I don't think the poor mods would enjoy it

You can't do that, now I'm so curious that I'm considering searching for it eventhough I don't understand any Spanish.

Would you please be so kind to post it?

Edited by Lone, 12 September 2013 - 19:06.

[eronrules]

artista, on 12 Sept 2013 - 18:41, said:

Oh! he did mention him in the previous tweets, but I will not post them here or the thread will turn again into a Kimi vs Alonso thread and I don't think the poor mods would enjoy it

my god his last 4/5 tweets      even his followers were angry with him with some classy words    feel sorry for massa though   he deserves more credit for his sacrifices from every Formula 1 journo, even from a Alonso Fanatic like Lobato. me mad 

[eronrules]

Lone, on 12 Sept 2013 - 19:05, said:

You can't do that, now I'm so curious that I'm considering searching for it eventhough I don't understand any Spanish.

Would you please be so kind to post it?

i agree with Artista, you can click on the link in her post and read them anyway, use auto-translate , it's not difficult to read.

[artista]

Lone, on 12 Sept 2013 - 19:05, said:

You can't do that, now I'm so curious that I'm considering searching for it eventhough I don't understand any Spanish.

Would you please be so kind to post it?

Erm, twitter just crashed down (no joke) 

 

Really, I can't post it here because what he does is "statistics" where he compares Kimi vs Massa and Alonso vs Massa since 2012 (you can guess with which intention) and it will really go off-topic. If you are really interested, his twitter-accoount is @alobatof1

Just send me a PM if you need a quick translation

Edited by artista, 12 September 2013 - 19:17.

[Lone]

artista, on 12 Sept 2013 - 19:16, said:

Erm, twitter just crashed down (no joke) 
 
Really, I can't post it here because what he does is "statistics" where he compares Kimi vs Massa and Alonso vs Massa since 2012 (you can guess with which intention) and it will really go off-topic. If you are really interested, his twitter-accoount is @alobatof1
Just send me a PM if you need a quick translation

Thanks a lot!

[223]

Gilles4Ever, on 12 Sept 2013 - 11:57, said:

Ex-Ferrari chief says Kimi Raikkonen not the right man for F1 team

Kimi Raikkonen is not the right man for Ferrari, reckons its former sporting director Cesare Fiorio.

With Ferrari having elected to rehire the Finn for next season as Felipe Massa's replacement, Fiorio thinks that the outfit may have been better off taking a youngster with more potential for the future.

 

 

Quote

 

 

"I admire his talent, but I don't agree with his lifestyle and his technical approach. I wouldn't have gone for him.

 

Non-news item. This guy was fired from Ferrari more than two decades ago. An irrelevant old fart with an opinion based on what? Media stereotypes of Kimi he got from the Sunday papers he reads on his front porch while yelling at the kids on his lawn? 

[mzvztag]

To be honest, I feel that Kimi owes something to Ferrari and hope that he will be able to repay in his next stint.

He has never been and will never be my first choice of a favourite driver but Ferrari (all other things being equal) will be stronger with him than with Massa and also, there would be one top driver less driving for the competitors' teams.

Therefore, it's well done Ferrari but if the car is not good next year, it would be a great shame on Ferrari and a waste of two top talents.

In fact, I'm horrified by the prospect of some another team having an absolutely dominant car in 2014. It would be an absolute anti-climax against our present expectations because watching Fernando, Kimi, Lewis or Vettel fighting for 10th place would be simply bad for everyone involved.

Edited by mzvztag, 12 September 2013 - 20:00.

[Callisto]

Kimi "OWES" Ferrari nothing,they gave him a great car and he gave them a wdc and with massa help 2x wcc

[xmoonrakerx]

eronrules, on 12 Sept 2013 - 19:13, said:

my god his last 4/5 tweets      even his followers were angry with him with some classy words    feel sorry for massa though   he deserves more credit for his sacrifices from every Formula 1 journo, even from a Alonso Fanatic like Lobato. me mad 

 

Lobato is just afraid his golden boy could be in danger

[mzvztag]

Callisto, on 12 Sept 2013 - 20:24, said:

Kimi "OWES" Ferrari nothing,they gave him a great car and he gave them a wdc and with massa help 2x wcc

Yes but he failed big time in 2008 and 2007 was....well, better not talk about that season at all.

Edited by mzvztag, 12 September 2013 - 20:57.

[Avastrol]

Kimi owes Ferrari as much as Ferrari owes Kimi - that is, either nothing at all, or a lot, depending on where you're standing. Both parties were equally responsible for their successes and failures.

[jjurado]

Has anyone seen any welcome message or something like that from Montezemolo to Kimi? I have been looking for haven't seen anything.

[Velocifer]

Amazing news, this will be very interesting to watch.

And funny after so many staked their lives on Ferrari never having 2 champions /no. 1 drivers at the same time..

[OSX]

CNN: The Cult of Kimi Raikkonen - F1's Coolest Driver
12 September 2013

 

 

Kimi Raikkonen has always been box office, even before he re-signed for Formula One’s most iconic team, Ferrari.

The 2007 world champion is a fan favorite and arguably the most popular driver on the grid.

Wherever F1 goes, from Monza to Melbourne, Shanghai to Singapore, there are always enthusiastic, banner-waving Raikkonen fans in the stands and, in the virtual realm of social media, he is the subject of plenty of ardent chatter.

But just what is it about the laid back Finn that has sparked this global cult of Kimi?

Earlier this year, I asked him just that – and it was the first time I can recall seeing the driver they call "Iceman" a little bit flustered.

Raikkonen may not set out to be a pleaser but it is ironically because of that attitude that he can look forward to 2014 not only as a Ferrari driver, but as perhaps the most popular racer on the grid.

 

Full Article: CNN.com/2013/09/12/the-cult-of-kimi-raikkonen-f1s-coolest-driver/...

[Vesuvius]

jjurado, on 12 Sept 2013 - 22:20, said:

Has anyone seen any welcome message or something like that from Montezemolo to Kimi? I have been looking for haven't seen anything.

no..but haven´t seen any goodbye message from him to Massa either...I´m sure both will come.

[autosportfan]

Vesuvius, on 13 Sept 2013 - 05:30, said:

no..but haven´t seen any goodbye message from him to Massa either...I´m sure both will come.

Vesuvius, on 13 Sept 2013 - 05:30, said:

no..but haven´t seen any goodbye message from him to Massa either...I´m sure both will come.

According to MTV3 and Oskari Saari (via Pekka Franck) Kimi and Luca had to settle things behind the scenes to the level of apologies and acceptances -otherwise there would not have been common future fore them together.

We wil hear more later when public appearances follow in the annual skiing event or something like that.

[autosportfan]

OSX, on 13 Sept 2013 - 05:04, said:

CNN: The Cult of Kimi Raikkonen - F1's Coolest Driver

Raikkonen may not set out to be a pleaser but it is ironically because of that attitude that he can look forward to 2014 not only as a Ferrari driver, but as perhaps the most popular racer on the grid.
 
Full Article: CNN.com/2013/09/12/the-cult-of-kimi-raikkonen-f1s-coolest-driver/...

Remember this quote by CNN! It is a very important one that the paddock needs to remember and clearly important one for Shell.

[hello86]

autosportfan, on 13 Sept 2013 - 05:56, said:

According to MTV3 and Oskari Saari (via Pekka Franck) Kimi and Luca had to settle things behind the scenes to the level of apologies and acceptances -otherwise there would not have been common future fore them together.

We wil hear more later when public appearances follow in the annual skiing event or something like that.

 

There wont be a skiing event this year 

[DrF]

That CNN article is complete rubbish.

[eronrules]

autosportfan, on 13 Sept 2013 - 05:58, said:

Remember this quote by CNN! It is a very important one that the paddock needs to remember and clearly important one for Shell.

actually, stefano domenicalli has already stressed this point, i.e the impact of Raikkonen's popularity with the young generation and corporate sponsors ..

 

See more at: http://formula1.ferr...h.g5zohpbS.dpuf

 

Quote

 

 

Honestly, I think the combination of Fernando’s expressive and passionate latin character and the cool style, to call it that, of someone like Kimi, seems to appeal to many, including the youngsters and our partners are also in agreement with this. 

 

i'm still amazed that a fizzy drinks company (i.e RB) whose main reason for investing heavily into motorsport, xtreme sports and all sorts of other crazy events is attracting the imagination of youth and making a brand around them, decided not to take kimi onboard. puzzling indeed 

[eronrules]

btw, in other news .... 

 

 

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vanz CarloVanzini @ 18pm

The FIA ​​has asked about this at Lotus on the tweet yesterday and it was specified that you do not want to insult anyone ... We had no doubt

 

original tweet

 

vanz ‏@CarloVanzini18h

La Fia ha chiesto spiegazioni alla Lotus sul tweet di ieri ed è stato specificato che non si voleva insultare nessuno... Non avevamo dubbi

 

Edited by eronrules, 13 September 2013 - 06:19.

[jedioriginal]

DrF, on 13 Sept 2013 - 06:08, said:

That CNN article is complete rubbish.

Yes yes we know,every article that says good things about Kimi is rubbish.

[Kingshark]

Callisto, on 12 Sept 2013 - 20:24, said:

Kimi "OWES" Ferrari nothing,they gave him a great car and he gave them a wdc and with massa help 2x wcc

 

Kimi owes Ferrari the 2008 WDC.

 

They gave him the best car on the grid, and he, well...

 

Better not open another can of worms.

[jedioriginal]

Kingshark, on 13 Sept 2013 - 06:28, said:

Kimi owes Ferrari the 2008 WDC.
 
They gave him the best car on the grid, and he, well...
 
Better not open another can of worms.

I hope you wasnt serious with this post. Cos'by that logic then Alonso owes 4 wdc's.

[DrF]

Kingshark, on 13 Sept 2013 - 06:28, said:

Kimi owes Ferrari the 2008 WDC.

They gave him the best car on the grid, and he, well...

Better not open another can of worms.

Yes, best let it go, seeing as both MS and the team have admitted that they screwed up in 2008.

Taking him back now confirms that admission.

[kimister]

Shell is very happy with Raikkonen return

 

http://www.f1-live.h...isszateresevel/

[Taxi]

Kimi will be very popular at Ferrari. He will bring Beer.

[northell]

By the way, when kimi can start working for ferrari? Does the lotus contract end in the last race or does it extend until end of the year?

[icecream_man]

northell, on 13 Sept 2013 - 13:35, said:

By the way, when kimi can start working for ferrari? Does the lotus contract end in the last race or does it extend until end of the year?

I believe it's usually the new year but fingers crossed they may let him go a bit earlier

[swerved]

Sky asked Kimi specifically about his relationship with LdM

 

 "I've never had a problem with him. For sure I've had arguments with many people and not just with him but with some other team bosses also. There's always a lot of rumours about different things I've done. But people write and they have no idea what's going on inside the team."

 

And on Lotus

 

 

"It's so far been very nice, great people to work with and obviously we want to improve things. Since we've started working together, it's been going well - probably what they expected for how the team has improved from the past years,But obviously it's never enough and we want to do well. But they've been very good for me and hopefully I've been good for them."

 

http://www1.skysport...konen-interview

 

 

Worth a read 

[jedioriginal]

Well if Lotus owes Kimi 5.1 million,i think that Kimi can decide when he wants to quit.

[icecream_man]

jedioriginal, on 13 Sept 2013 - 13:50, said:

Well if Lotus owes Kimi 5.1 million,i think that Kimi can decide when he wants to quit.

You have a very good point there, is that really what they owe him ? If so then no wonder he looked elsewhere !

[icecream_man]

Webber recons Kimi's Ferrari move is a short term move prior to them signing finger boy, can't see it myself, why would Vettel move to Ferrari when he's got it made at RB ??

 

http://www1.skysport...ian-vettel-move

[F.M.]

icecream_man, on 13 Sept 2013 - 14:27, said:

Webber recons Kimi's Ferrari move is a short term move prior to them signing finger boy, can't see it myself, why would Vettel move to Ferrari when he's got it made at RB ??

 

http://www1.skysport...ian-vettel-move

"Two years for probably both of them, actually. I think [no more] over that. What they do after that, obviously, is pick Seb up off the back of Red Bull and they keep moving from there.

"It's a very short-term, aggressive statement from Ferrari to put the team at the front."

 

Gotta love the photo ESPN used for this article!

 

http://en.espnf1.com...ory/125013.html

Edited by F.M., 13 September 2013 - 14:36.

[MMandi]

I wonder why Webber thinks Kimi will push Fernando on a saturday, I don't think Fernando has to worry about saturday ah I just can't wait for 2014 already.

[northell]

It will be intresting to watch if kimi and alonso find them selfs fighting eatch other in coming races this season:-) there might be some extra tension between them.

[Pitlane]

icecream_man, on 13 Sept 2013 - 14:27, said:

Webber recons Kimi's Ferrari move is a short term move prior to them signing finger boy, can't see it myself, why would Vettel move to Ferrari when he's got it made at RB ??

 

http://www1.skysport...ian-vettel-move

 

Because its Ferrari.

 

Red bull is great, but they dont have the history, the aura Ferrari has by being in the motorsport for so long.

[northell]

jedioriginal, on 13 Sept 2013 - 13:50, said:

Well if Lotus owes Kimi 5.1 million,i think that Kimi can decide when he wants to quit.

Yeah i forgot about the unpaid salaries. Kimi if he wanted could propably leave lotus right away because of unpaid salaries.

Edited by northell, 13 September 2013 - 15:39.

[Nik4994]

Kingshark, on 13 Sept 2013 - 06:28, said:

Kimi owes Ferrari the 2008 WDC.

 

They gave him the best car on the grid, and he, well...

 

Better not open another can of worms.

Actually Massa owes them the 2008 WDC. Ferrari made changes to the car that suited Massa and reverted to Kimi's preference when it was too late. Kimi owes them absolutely nothing, Todt backed him in 2007 and he delivered the title. As for the 2008 title better pin the blame on Schumacher sticking his nose in car development and Massa's mistakes at Malaysia and Japan.

[Seanspeed]

Nik4994, on 13 Sept 2013 - 15:40, said:

Actually Massa owes them the 2008 WDC. Ferrari made changes to the car that suited Massa and reverted to Kimi's preference when it was too late. Kimi owes them absolutely nothing, Todt backed him in 2007 and he delivered the title. As for the 2008 title better pin the blame on Schumacher sticking his nose in car development and Massa's mistakes at Malaysia and Japan.

Break out the 2008 excuse book!

 

Both drivers failed Ferrari that year.  The car was a beast. 

[Ferrari2183]

Seanspeed, on 13 Sept 2013 - 16:03, said:

Break out the 2008 excuse book!

Both drivers failed Ferrari that year. The car was a beast.

Sad but true.

[Skinnyguy]

Seanspeed, on 13 Sept 2013 - 16:03, said:

Break out the 2008 excuse book!

 

Both drivers failed Ferrari that year.  The car was a beast. 

 

Actually Massa can dig out that book if he wants to. Some team failures costed him the title, he was far from perfect -just as Lewis- but he did enough to transform that "beast" into a title.

Edited by Skinnyguy, 13 September 2013 - 16:09.

[Ferrari2183]

Skinnyguy, on 13 Sept 2013 - 16:08, said:

Actually Massa can dig out that book if he wants to. Some team failures costed him the title, he was far from perfect -just as Lewis- but he did enough to transform that "beast" into a title.

Think what Sean is saying is that it shouldn't have been that close with that car. One of the Ferrari drivers should have walked it.

[Nik4994]

Seanspeed, on 13 Sept 2013 - 16:03, said:

Break out the 2008 excuse book!

 

Both drivers failed Ferrari that year.  The car was a beast. 

Excuse ?
Facts are somehow interpreted as excuses now, atleast by some.
And the car was a beast ? ....Can't agree with that one.

[JRodrigues]

Räikkönen was on course of doing that midway through the season.. But then came Canada, Magny-Cours, Silverstone (3 potential wins down the drain), retirement in Barcelona when Massa passed him in Championship, and of course Spa. After that, there was nothing much left to do.

[Skinnyguy]

Ferrari2183, on 13 Sept 2013 - 16:25, said:

Think what Sean is saying is that it shouldn't have been that close with that car. One of the Ferrari drivers should have walked it.

 

Well, then he´s wrong. It would always have been close, especially with such a rainy season playing into the hands of McLaren. Ferrari was indeed superior even like that, but "superior" like McLaren was in 2007, not like RB was in 2011. It´s not realistic to say he should have been 15 points ahead and team blunders shouldn´t have affected the result anyway.

 

Massa would have done the job without team blunders. I don´t think his initial remark saying drivers failed to Ferrari in 2008 is fair. Kimi might have done that, but in Felipe´s case it was more like the team letting him down.

Edited by Skinnyguy, 13 September 2013 - 18:21.