467 replies to this topic

[LoudHoward]

I didn't mind the 2012 RB8 stepped nose, because they put the vent/slot/whatever there, it looked odd at first, but it looked functional and thus it grew on me a bit. Same with the 2008 Sauber. Something like the Ferrari, with just a random step, looked stupid to me. This, well it doesn't look like it's there to suit any purpose other than meet an arbitrarily decided point in space dictated by the rules. Add to that the inbuilt oddness, and yeesh, it's not good.

[PoleMan]

Those slick willy noses, "mighty flea" motors, rapidly degrading tires and more Vettel domination are a great marketing tool...

 

 

 

for Indycar!

Edited by PoleMan, 13 November 2013 - 00:26.

[ThomFi]

thomin, on 12 Nov 2013 - 23:54, said:

Should the FIA and the teams not be able to prevent this atrocity, I propose the following design scheme:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wonder how the Ferrari nose will look like, being the typical Italian posers they are.

 

Ordinary team:

 

 

Italian showoffs:

[OvDrone]

 

All will mourn when the doom bell strikes on the dawn of the first race of the misbegotten 65th season of our Underlord's XIVth year of the two thousands. This will happen, as ordained. There is no hope. This will happen.

 

Cower and weep seas of sorrow, ye of false promises and empty dreams, for the thin phallic noses of damnation have come for you.

[pingu666]

Hayden1, on 12 Nov 2013 - 23:50, said:

Nose looks the same , hope they dont use tongue as front wing DRS . things are getting ugly.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Q_rqhiXTK-0

[pingu666]

its times like this where i just want to yell at them to not be so ****ing stupid, the f1 rule makers

[deepsouth]

F1's already wearing quite thin on me the way it is, this may be what pushes me away completely.

[fabr68]

Formula Gonzo

 

[pathogen]

PayasYouRace, on 12 Nov 2013 - 17:45, said:

Yeah they'll probably still be better looking that the average car from the 1970s. That was a painful decade for the eyes.

 

 I loved the BT44 and BT48; the M23 and the M28; the T1, T2 and T3, the 003, 007 and P34; the DN5; the JPS 77 and 78! Among others. Sorry, I am an old man.

[pathogen]

Gyan, on 12 Nov 2013 - 18:13, said:

On the bright side, Lotus and Sauber could look to Durex for sponsorship next season.

And Durex was a Surtees sponsor in mid 70's

[MP422]

thomin, on 12 Nov 2013 - 23:54, said:

Should the FIA and the teams not be able to prevent this atrocity, I propose the following design scheme:

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty impressive concept bro... incorporating man and machine and all. I wouldn't wanna be on tv changing that front wing !

[MaxCrazyEddieCayer]

This sport as always been full of dicks, but now we will have a grid of 22 cars with penises at the front end. How fitting.

Oh well......

[Brother Fox]

ThomFi, on 12 Nov 2013 - 20:38, said:

And on the  f1technical board, they will post videos where this "thing" (Nose, Pen*s, whatever) is allegedly flexing or wobbling around.

 

Is penis a word that needs censoring now?

 

Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,

Edited by Brother Fox, 13 November 2013 - 03:11.

[andrewf1]

OvDrone, on 13 Nov 2013 - 00:38, said:

 

All will mourn when the doom bell strikes on the dawn of the first race of the misbegotten 65th season of our Underlord's XIVth year of the two thousands. This will happen, as ordained. There is no hope. This will happen.

 

Cower and weep seas of sorrow, ye of false promises and empty dreams, for the thin phallic noses of damnation have come for you.

 

   

[zachary2142]

sheogorath, on 12 Nov 2013 - 20:05, said:

 

     

Dunno why, but that was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that nose with that wing. I apologize for my weirdness 

[ThomFi]

Brother Fox, on 13 Nov 2013 - 03:11, said:

Is penis a word that needs censoring now?

 

Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,Penis,

 

Well, possibly not, but what do I know about a forum in a (for me) foreign language. In my country, even nudity and the usage of swearwords, etc. is no problem at all.

[maverick69]

Apparently the nose of the new Merc is known to the guys in the factory as "Bob's Knob" after Bob Bell who designed it  

[Jackmancer]

Here's my impression of how it might look on the Sauber.

Edited by Jackmancer, 13 November 2013 - 06:02.

[sheepgobba]

Back to the 2006-2008 looking cars please.

 

Just loved the look of F2008 and BMW that season 

[Gorma]

sheepgobba, on 13 Nov 2013 - 07:23, said:

Back to the 2006-2008 looking cars please.

 

Just loved the look of F2008 and BMW that season 

F2008 is the best looking car of that era... especially that color.

[DracoN]

Durex will clap hads

[PayasYouRace]

pathogen, on 13 Nov 2013 - 02:10, said:

 I loved the BT44 and BT48; the M23 and the M28; the T1, T2 and T3, the 003, 007 and P34; the DN5; the JPS 77 and 78! Among others. Sorry, I am an old man.

 

The Lotus 79 was a gorgeous car, but the rest had more of a functional look to them. I like them, but I wouldn't call them pretty. More Hurricane than Spitfire.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 13 November 2013 - 08:08.

[dau]

bogi, on 12 Nov 2013 - 22:51, said:

Dear F1 rulers, front bulkhead height should be limited, not tip of the nose.

The front bulkhead height is limited. They also limited nose tip height because that's the part that will hit the other car first in the sort of t-bone accidents this whole regulation was designed for. As the teams will fight for every centimeter of space under the nose and FIA can only push through regulation changes related to safety, it's likely not as simple as you think it is.

 

--

 

As for the matter at hand, it's still kinda pathetic. The teams must have known about this at least since the regulations were published, but we've heard nothing from then. Until now, a few months before the start of the 2014 season, when they voice their 'concerns', being aware it's already too late to change anything. "Lack of agreement on the need to do something", says the Autosport article. Yea, that kinda sums up the teams' involvement in the rulemaking process so far. What a mess.

[gm914]

maverick69, on 13 Nov 2013 - 04:16, said:

Apparently the nose of the new Merc is known to the guys in the factory as "Bob's Knob" after Bob Bell who designed it  

Nobody thought of "Bob's Bell-end"? 

I bet Ross Brawn did.

[sopa]

Hayden1, on 12 Nov 2013 - 23:50, said:

Nose looks the same , hope they dont use tongue as front wing DRS . things are getting ugly.

 

What a brilliant idea. Next FIA has realized the rear wing DRS is too powerful and makes overtaking too easy, so they mandate a new front nosetip DRS.  This would be the icing on the cake.

[BullHead]

Jackmancer, on 13 Nov 2013 - 06:02, said:

Here's my impression of how it might look on the Sauber.

 

 

Odd looking, but I could live with that. I think there will be different interpretations in the shaping down to the tip. I doubt we'll see anything so angular as the suggested drawing.

[SenorSjon]

MaxCrazyEddieCayer, on 13 Nov 2013 - 02:47, said:

This sport as always been full of dicks, but now we will have a grid of 22 cars with penises at the front end. How fitting.

Oh well......

And the one with the longest wins.

[OO7]

During the stepped nose saga Caterham? placed a toy platypus clinging to the nose of their car.  I recall the caption 'mummy'.  I wonder if the noses do turn out as illustrated, whether a mechanic somewhere will roll a condom over it?  I foresee captions such as, 'ready for action' or perhaps, 'Don't worry about being rear-ended, I'm covered'.

[SNiko]

Jackmancer, on 13 Nov 2013 - 06:02, said:

Here's my impression of how it might look on the Sauber.

 

 

5 cm penis without balls 

[muramasa]

so it will be an evolution of 2008 Honda then

 

[Lazy]

Nobody has seen a car.

 

Nobody has heard a car.

 

Nobody has seen them race.

 

And yet you all "know" that they are ugly, sound crap and the racing is boring.

 

You should be grateful that they allow you to pursue your favourite sport, bitching on the internet.

[OO7]

Lazy, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:04, said:

Nobody has seen a car.

 

Nobody has heard a car.

 

Nobody has seen them race.

 

And yet you all "know" that they are ugly, sound crap and the racing is boring.

 

You should be grateful that they allow you to pursue your favourite sport, bitching on the internet.

Are you bitching about those who are bitching?   

[PayasYouRace]

Jackmancer, on 13 Nov 2013 - 06:02, said:

Here's my impression of how it might look on the Sauber.

 

Fountain pen nose?

[F.M.]

That's not too bad. A little bit funy looking, but not bad.

 

Edit: I mean de shopped Sauber. For some reason my 'quote' and 'multiquote' buttons are not working?

Edited by F.M., 13 November 2013 - 09:21.

[PayasYouRace]

Lazy, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:04, said:

Nobody has seen a car.

 

Nobody has heard a car.

 

Nobody has seen them race.

 

And yet you all "know" that they are ugly, sound crap and the racing is boring.

 

You should be grateful that they allow you to pursue your favourite sport, bitching on the internet.

 

Well I haven't heard the cars (and from the information given think they'll sound pretty good, though different). I haven't seen them racing either (and from the information given think the races might be quite interesting at times). Overall I'm reserving judgement on those aspects.

 

But these are the regulations that define the nose shape, and we're being shown what that might result in. What we've been shown is ugly (to my eyes and a lot of others it seems). Sure we're just speculating, but we know the teams are going for performance over aesthetics every time. We can make good judgements about what will bring performance. So I think these previews are fairly valid.

[Lazy]

Obi Offiah, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:14, said:

Are you bitching about those who are bitching?   

The same thought struck me as i was typing

 

At least it was after the fact.

[Timstr11]

maverick69, on 13 Nov 2013 - 04:16, said:

Apparently the nose of the new Merc is known to the guys in the factory as "Bob's Knob" after Bob Bell who designed it  

Yep. That tweet from AMuS's Tobias Gruner

Tobias Grüner F1‏@tgruener

#F1 Mercedes tech director Bob Bell was the first to warn FIA about ugly noses. So 2014 noses got the nickname "Bobs knob". No joke. :-)

Edited by Timstr11, 13 November 2013 - 09:35.

[Peat]

Lazy, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:04, said:

Nobody has seen a car.

 

Nobody has heard a car.

 

Nobody has seen them race.

 

And yet you all "know" that they are ugly, sound crap and the racing is boring.

 

You should be grateful that they allow you to pursue your favourite sport, bitching on the internet.

 

I have seen one and have a fair idea what they will sound like.

 

Looks wise, the one i have seen is a little more extreme than the scarbs illustration.

 

Sound wise, they won't be a million miles away from the current IndyCar engines, which sound alright, just not what you'd associate with F1.

 

And yes, they already have a plethora of names: dicknose, ant-eater and my fave 'Bob's Bell'. Mr.Bell infact alerted Charlie Whiting (in May) to the possibility of these ludicrous looking noses (due to the glaring holes in the tech regs) and sweet diddly squat was done about it. When the wider motorsport world vomits into their bins after Melbourne, i expect some silly bodge of 'vanity panels' will be enforced.

[Lazy]

Peat, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:35, said:

I have seen one

Do tell!

[sopa]

So by now we know for sure (?) that at least two teams will have something like that, because Newey said the car will be ugly and we have a comment about Bob Bell from Mercedes. So these are two top teams. What about others?

 

Usually I am not bothered about it so early, but now I can say I can't wait for the January car launches...

 

I remember, when in testing in late November 2008 the first front and rear wing configurations of the next season were rolled out, the reaction was like "wtf is this". Now we have at least got a warning in advance...

Edited by sopa, 13 November 2013 - 09:47.

[muramasa]

Lazy, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:04, said:

 

You should be grateful that they allow you to pursue your favourite sport, bitching on the internet.

feudal rulers, totalitarians and vulture capitalists would welcome citizens like that

 

 

anyway, when stepped nose prediction was made, most of us thought "yea that's what regs tell but no teams would do that, they would surely come up with clever solution". Then see what happened.

Hindsight but aero around the front is rather simple with current set of rule, ie guide more air towards the rear, so we actually shudve known that. But only those who have knowledge and facility and design the car can know what's really the best solution. At that time, most of us havent got clue how such gap on the nose would be advantageous. (~08 rule was another. under that rule, mechanical advantage of lower nose tip outweighed aero advantage of high nose, if i'm correct)

So we've learnt a lesson. Some tech journos are excellent, so if that's what they predict then I'm inclined to believe this time.

[Lazy]

PayasYouRace, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:26, said:

Well I haven't heard the cars (and from the information given think they'll sound pretty good, though different). I haven't seen them racing either (and from the information given think the races might be quite interesting at times). Overall I'm reserving judgement on those aspects.

 

But these are the regulations that define the nose shape, and we're being shown what that might result in. What we've been shown is ugly (to my eyes and a lot of others it seems). Sure we're just speculating, but we know the teams are going for performance over aesthetics every time. We can make good judgements about what will bring performance. So I think these previews are fairly valid.

Clearly speculation is all good, but I think it would be good to refrain from writing off the sport, calling everybody involved stupid etc before we have actually seen the product.

 

Jackmancers Sauber, for instance, looks like a lot more realistic preview than Scarb's sketch.

 

I apologise for the broad brush, your posts were, as always, balanced and informative.

[sopa]

JHSingo, on 12 Nov 2013 - 20:44, said:

Never thought I'd be saying this, but I miss the stepped noses already...

 

To be honest, the stepped noses never really annoyed me. It looked a bit bulky, Ferrari's one was a bit extreme, but generally it seemed okayish. But this stuff now is a proper joke. I remember back in 2004 the Williams Walrus looked funny as well when it was unveiled.

[Lazy]

muramasa, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:52, said:

feudal rulers, totalitarians and vulture capitalists would welcome citizens like that

 

 

 

muramasa, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:52, said:

anyway, when stepped nose prediction was made, most of us thought "yea that's what regs tell but no teams would do that, they would surely come up with clever solution". Then see what happened.

Hindsight but aero around the front is rather simple with current set of rule, ie guide more air towards the rear, so we actually shudve known that. But only those who have knowledge and facility and design the car can know what's really the best solution. At that time, most of us havent got clue how such gap on the nose would be advantageous. (~08 rule was another. under that rule, mechanical advantage of lower nose tip outweighed aero advantage of high nose, if i'm correct)

So we've learnt a lesson. Some tech journos are excellent, so if that's what they predict then I'm inclined to believe this time.

 

 

Yeah, a lot of fuss was made about stepped noses but I look at the RB9 and find myself not offended.

 

I'd be curious to see if they did not try to use it as a vortex creator btw.

[HoldenRT]

I remember a time where I used to tune in.. and the cars would drive as fast as they can.. they'd refuell and then drive as fast as they can.  Every overtake was like gold because you knew there was no DRS or KERS..

 

And the cars looked cool.

 

2006 was my fave season and it feels like 20 years ago.

[Peat]

RBR - MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

[Peat]

Lazy, on 13 Nov 2013 - 09:38, said:

Do tell!

 

Not a chance!
 

[maverick69]

Red Bull secretly sporting a Bobby recently (or could be a PS):

 

 

Larger pic here for all you perverts:

https://fbcdn-sphoto...281269415_o.jpg

Edited by maverick69, 13 November 2013 - 10:10.

[ANF]

maverick69, on 13 Nov 2013 - 10:07, said:

Red Bull secretly sporting a Bobby recently (or could be a PS):

 

 

Larger pic here for all you perverts:

https://fbcdn-sphoto...281269415_o.jpg

That's not real.
Picture posted here: http://www.f1technic...f75675e#p462172
Original picture here: http://www.flickr.co...pool-markwebber

[Zava]

maverick69, on 13 Nov 2013 - 10:07, said:

Red Bull secretly sporting a Bobby recently (or could be a PS):

 

 

Larger pic here for all you perverts:

https://fbcdn-sphoto...281269415_o.jpg

I got my hopes up that red bull won't be THAT bad, then started searching on f1technical and found out it is only a ps.

http://www.flickr.co...tfa/8551910355/