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[P0inters]

 Slightly old news rumours but just to get the thread started : http://www.worldcarf...laferrari-video

Also , Alonso's been working in the simulator : http://formula1.ferr...onso-taste-2014

Edited by Gilles4Ever, 27 January 2014 - 10:39.

[Kingshark]

Rory Byrne has been working on the car since February.

 

http://www.f1fanatic...-work-2014-car/

[boldhakka]

Kingshark, on 15 Dec 2013 - 07:37, said:

Rory Byrne has been working on the car since February.

 

http://www.f1fanatic...-work-2014-car/

 

Kind of. 

 

From the linked (original) article:

Quote

 

Byrne was spotted at the launch of the team's 2013 car, the F138, at the Maranello factory this month, and Ferrari confirmed on Sunday that he was also involved - at a distance - in next year's challenger.

A spokesman said the 69-year-old was working on the new Enzo road car project but also providing "operational support" on the 2014 F1 project.

 

Also, I think Rory has been linked with working on the last two years' cars as well, as a "consultant" IIRC. 

[Kingshark]

So, is it;

 

Technical Director

James Allison

 

Director of Engineering

Pat Fry

 

Head of Aerodynamics

Lioc Bigios

Dirk de Beer

 

Chief Designer

Nicolas Tombazis

Martin Bester

 

Simulator Director

Marco Fainello

 

Technical Consultant

Rory Byrne

 

Tyre Development

Hirohide Hamashima

 

Ferrari's entire technical department is almost as confusing as Mercedes'.

Edited by Kingshark, 15 December 2013 - 08:35.

[KnucklesAgain]

Alonso's first taste of 2014 simulator car: http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111866

 

Quote

"I'm pleased with the way the day on the simulator went," Alonso told Ferrari's official website.

"We managed to get through everything on the programme that we had in the pipeline. It was nice to be driving again, even if only in a virtual way.

"We went through a lot of ideas with the engineers. We are only at the start of a learning process, which is moving forward all the time, and it's nice to be able to contribute to it."

 

[muramasa]

Maybe name will be F166.

[P0inters]

Can you link that please ? I couldn't find a name anywhere.

[muramasa]

rather easy. they have patten naming car.

 

when they introduced 3.0l V10 engine, their car was named F310.

when 2.4l V8 was introduced, their car was called F248.

 

new 2014 engine is 1.6l V6, so it will be F166, maybe.

[P0inters]

Probably then. Nothings confirmed yet though so we may as well leave the title as it is until it's confirmed.Unless one of the mods feels otherwise. 

[steferrari]

muramasa, on 15 Dec 2013 - 13:05, said:

rather easy. they have patten naming car.

 

when they introduced 3.0l V10 engine, their car was named F310.

when 2.4l V8 was introduced, their car was called F248.

 

new 2014 engine is 1.6l V6, so it will be F166, maybe.

 

I was thinking exactly the same.

Maybe another option is Ferrari 166T, with the "T" standing for Turbo, of course.

[Richard T]

Something with Ferrari 166T-HyKers maybe? As their LaFerrari drivetrain..

[kosmos]

The V6 engine will be revealed next week (December 19).

[Richard T]

kosmos, on 15 Dec 2013 - 16:23, said:

The V6 engine will be revealed next week (December 19).

 

Source? 

[kosmos]

Richard T, on 15 Dec 2013 - 16:52, said:

Source? 

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=gqiiuFv7HcY

 

2:40 min I believe.

[Richard T]

kosmos, on 15 Dec 2013 - 17:12, said:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=gqiiuFv7HcY

 

2:40 min I believe.

 

Alright! unveiling at Maranello the 19th

[Kingshark]

Has there been any information about the performance of the Ferrari engine? I know that Ferrari appearantly have the lightest of all the engines, but are still concerned about fuel consumption. Anything else? Something about the power, traction, or reliability of the new engines?

[beute]

There is no way of knowing that.
We would need information of more than just Ferrari, and we dont even have that.

Whose saying that the ferrari is the lightest one?
Not even ferrari themselves know that.

[Jackmancer]

 

F1 2014 concept livery

[LH08WDC]

Jackmancer, on 16 Dec 2013 - 06:37, said:

 
F1 2014 concept livery

I like the black a lot, but I'm not feeling the white on top.

[Jackmancer]

LH08WDC, on 16 Dec 2013 - 07:45, said:

I like the black a lot, but I'm not feeling the white on top.

Yeh, bit inspired I think by the Ferrari´s from the mid 70´s.

http://upload.wikime...errari312T2.jpg

[PayasYouRace]

What's the source on that concept livery? Looks nice, like the F93A, which I always liked (maybe because it was a bit different).

 

On the subject of names, I like when Ferrari use the Capacity + No. of cylinders notation. Though sometimes they pull things out of nowhere. F166 would be nice.

[Arn]

How about calling it LaF166T? 

[Seanspeed]

Is there a reason I cant quote people anymore?

[Zava]

PayasYouRace, on 16 Dec 2013 - 14:37, said:

What's the source on that concept livery? 

there isn't any, it is just a fan art, was around last year already.

[aray]

Seanspeed, on 16 Dec 2013 - 16:48, said:

Is there a reason I cant quote people anymore?

i can quote you....

[SophieB]

Seanspeed, on 16 Dec 2013 - 16:48, said:

Is there a reason I cant quote people anymore?

 

Are you using IE as your browser? See here for more examples/ workrounds: http://forums.autosp...18#entry6527771

It's very unfortunate, hopefully it will be fixed soon.

[Kingshark]

This car will start off like the F138 and Ferrari will develop it like the F10! 

 

Either that or it will be another F2012 at the start, and Ferrari will develop it as well as the F138. 

[ArkZ]

Kingshark, on 16 Dec 2013 - 17:58, said:

This car will start off like the F138 and Ferrari will develop it like the F10! 

 

Either that or it will be another F2012 at the start, and Ferrari will develop it as well as the F138. 

Let's just say,  F138 in 1st part of the season (Start-Spain), F2012 in 2nd part (Monaco-Monza) and F10 in 3rd part (Singapore-the end).

Edited by ArkZ, 16 December 2013 - 18:05.

[quasi C]

Was this short interview with Allison posted?

 

http://formula1.ferr...ews/term-report

 

Interesting that he thinks Ferrari were the 4th or 5th ranked team in terms of aero tools. That's pretty bad considering the budget.

Edited by quasi C, 16 December 2013 - 18:14.

[fabr68]

quasi C, on 16 Dec 2013 - 18:13, said:

Was this short interview with Allison posted?

http://formula1.ferr...ews/term-report

Interesting that he thinks Ferrari were the 4th or 5th ranked team in terms of aero tools. That's pretty bad considering the budget.

Ouch. Hopefully he will not get his ear twisted.

[Timothy]

quasi C, on 16 Dec 2013 - 18:13, said:

Was this short interview with Allison posted?

http://formula1.ferr...ews/term-report

Interesting that he thinks Ferrari were the 4th or 5th ranked team in terms of aero tools. That's pretty bad considering the budget.

 

fabr68, on 16 Dec 2013 - 18:22, said:

Ouch. Hopefully he will not get his ear twisted.

 

You beat me to it. Didn't take him to long evaluate the state of affairs. Can't say I'm surprised though, Pat came to a similar conclusion. My expectations regarding 2014 are well in check, this way I find the races more enjoyable.

 

Sorry if I sound all doom and gloomy, its not my intention.

Edited by Timothy, 16 December 2013 - 19:21.

[RedOne]

Kingshark, on 16 Dec 2013 - 00:45, said:

Has there been any information about the performance of the Ferrari engine? I know that Ferrari appearantly have the lightest of all the engines, but are still concerned about fuel consumption. Anything else? Something about the power, traction, or reliability of the new engines?

Well I don't think we would even know who has the lightest engine now for sure and that wouldn't mean much unless it's also good in the other areas.

But a lot of people are saying Mercedes will be the best engine, that takes the pressure off Ferrari, so that they can focus on doing the best job they can without any extra external pressure/hype from the media. All eyes will be on Mercedes, but hopefully Ferrari can come out with a good engine as well.

[RedOne]

quasi C, on 16 Dec 2013 - 18:13, said:

Was this short interview with Allison posted?

http://formula1.ferr...ews/term-report

Interesting that he thinks Ferrari were the 4th or 5th ranked team in terms of aero tools. That's pretty bad considering the budget.

The positive from this is maybe he knows the areas they need to improve on as well. Good thing about bringing in new heads from other teams.

[steferrari]

ArkZ, on 16 Dec 2013 - 18:04, said:

Let's just say, F138 in 1st part of the season (Start-Spain), F2012 in 2nd part (Monaco-Monza) and F10 in 3rd part (Singapore-the end).

What about F2004 for the whole season ?

[jstrains]

quasi C, on 16 Dec 2013 - 18:13, said:

Was this short interview with Allison posted?

 

http://formula1.ferr...ews/term-report

 

Interesting that he thinks Ferrari were the 4th or 5th ranked team in terms of aero tools. That's pretty bad considering the budget.

 

But he says we are top again now (at the cutting edge = in front of others with what is new)

[Reinmuster]

steferrari, on 16 Dec 2013 - 22:37, said:

What about F2004 for the whole season ?

 

in context of 2009-2013 cars.

[aray]

Timothy, on 16 Dec 2013 - 19:20, said:

You beat me to it. Didn't take him to long evaluate the state of affairs. Can't say I'm surprised though, Pat came to a similar conclusion. My expectations regarding 2014 are well in check, this way I find the races more enjoyable.

 

Sorry if I sound all doom and gloomy, its not my intention.

me too...unlike previous years,i am keeping my hope checked......i am assuming our engine will be worst among three in the performance,but best in reliability....

[Kingshark]

We wont need the best car to challenge for the championship, because even if we do have a moderate car deficiency, we have two star drivers to make it up for. Both Fernando and Kimi have proven that even with a car inferior from the best, they can build a tremendous challenge for the WDC (KR in 2003, FA in 2012).

 

A car on the same level as the F10 will be enough, although something faster obviously wont hurt.

Edited by Kingshark, 17 December 2013 - 06:20.

[vlado]

Richard T, on 15 Dec 2013 - 15:09, said:

Something with Ferrari 166T-HyKers maybe? As their LaFerrari drivetrain..

 

I am sure that this has been mentioned here before, but they appear to be testing the new engine on a LaFerrari chassis 

 

http://www.czechferr...-fioranu/33113/

[OneAndOnly]

vlado, on 17 Dec 2013 - 06:58, said:

I am sure that this has been mentioned here before, but they appear to be testing the new engine on a LaFerrari chassis 

 

http://www.czechferr...-fioranu/33113/

This was dismissed both by ATM_Andy (guy from McLaren) and Irredescent (guy from Ferrari). 

[rasul]

steferrari, on 16 Dec 2013 - 22:37, said:

What about F2004 for the whole season ?

I doubt it. Only if the power unit is superior. But I don't really expect it to be better than Mercedes.'

[mp4x]

Kingshark, on 16 Dec 2013 - 00:45, said:

Has there been any information about the performance of the Ferrari engine? I know that Ferrari appearantly have the lightest of all the engines, but are still concerned about fuel consumption. Anything else? Something about the power, traction, or reliability of the new engines?

 

5.4.1 The overall weight of the power unit must be a minimum of 145 kg.

 

You say it's lighter than the other two. How can it be? Or you're indicating that Mercedes and Renault power units are heavier than 145 kg? How do you know that?

[Richard T]

Antonio Spagnolo to be Kimis race engineer and Pat Fry to take over from Steve Clark as head of race engineers

 

http://blog.quotidia...scola-per-kimi/

[Jeeves]

mp4x, on 17 Dec 2013 - 09:37, said:

 

 

5.4.1 The overall weight of the power unit must be a minimum of 145 kg.

 

You say it's lighter than the other two. How can it be? Or you're indicating that Mercedes and Renault power units are heavier than 145 kg? How do you know that?

 

 

Maybe he meant light in terms of power output?

[BillBald]

Richard T, on 17 Dec 2013 - 09:39, said:

Antonio Spagnolo to be Kimis race engineer and Pat Fry to take over from Steve Clark as head of race engineers

 

http://blog.quotidia...scola-per-kimi/

 

Demotion for Pat Fry?

[jstrains]

I hope the 100-percent reliability from 2013 will continue in 2014

http://www.auto-moto...rn-7953064.html

[fabr68]

OneAndOnly, on 17 Dec 2013 - 08:40, said:

This was dismissed both by ATM_Andy (guy from McLaren) and Irredescent (guy from Ferrari).

When other teams experts can easily detect an engine design by just listening to a crappy youtube video clearly explains why Ferrari will not risk the new engine on the public eye (and ear) until the last minute.

I like it.

[Petroltorque]

BillBald, on 17 Dec 2013 - 13:04, said:

Demotion for Pat Fry?

Pat Fry's mete was always race engineering. He had no formal training as a design engineer. The question should be who's bright idea was it to place him in a design role. IIRC Ferrari had the same problem when they hired Steve Nicholls from McLaren.

[BillBald]

Petroltorque, on 17 Dec 2013 - 15:46, said:

Pat Fry's mete was always race engineering. He had no formal training as a design engineer. The question should be who's bright idea was it to place him in a design role. IIRC Ferrari had the same problem when they hired Steve Nicholls from McLaren.

 

Well, presumably Pat himself was confident he could do the job, so I'm wondering how happy he is ATM.

[e34]

I am afraid that it may be a mistake to demote Fry.

 

Certainly, car design and development have not been top notch (to say the least) during the last few years with Fry at the helm. But reliability, manufacturing and race operations have been superb, and he has been busy updating Ferrari infrastructure. IMO, he is owed some recognition for that reliability and the role he had been assigned (head of engineering, or something like that), if it was viable, was a sensible way of trying to use Fry's fortes, while keeping him away from development (if he indeed is to be blamed for the results of the last years). 

 

Of course, I don't know if it was possible that Fry worked in parallel to Allison without troubles and overlapping of roles.