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[charly0418]

Got to say I'm hugely impressed with this team over the years. Where do they rank in budget terms?

 

5th-8th area. They're the only team that is doing well and complained about the lack of "cost control"

[charly0418]

So Smirnoff is set to be a new major sponsor for the team. Question I have is if Sahara is going to drop or not. We should know tomorrow or Wednesday

[Treads]

5th-8th area. They're the only team that is doing well and complained about the lack of "cost control"

 

According to Dieter Rencken's August 2013 article, they have the 6th highest budget at around GBP 100m, which is more than Sauber and Williams (although Williams break even and they really, really don't). 

[charly0418]

According to Dieter Rencken's August 2013 article, they have the 6th highest budget at around GBP 100m, which is more than Sauber and Williams (although Williams break even and they really, really don't). 

 

Yeah I've also heard Force India are always in the negative net side. Sauber is looking worse every year as well.

[V8 Fireworks]

Great job again Force India!  Cracking drivers in Hulk and Perez.         

[MortenF1]

So Smirnoff is set to be a new major sponsor for the team. Question I have is if Sahara is going to drop or not. We should know tomorrow or Wednesday

Where/how did you pick up on that? Are Sahara going to sell their stake already?

[onewingedangel]

Diageo guaranteed a loan to the team when they bought a share of United Spirits - I assume this means the team have activated that clause and Diageo are getting the advertising space rather than expecting to get paid back down the line.

[MortenF1]

Aha. 

…but Diageo is still with McLaren, right?

[charly0418]

Aha. 

…but Diageo is still with McLaren, right?

 

yes with Johnnie Walker. I remember Mallya having connections with Diageo as well so they're going with the vodka it appears

[LeMans86]

So Smirnoff is set to be a new major sponsor for the team. Question I have is if Sahara is going to drop or not. We should know tomorrow or Wednesday

I like the look

[charly0418]

This is confusing:

 

The partnership will see Smirnoff branding featured on the VJM07s of Sahara Force India drivers from next weekend's Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona. Logos will appear on the rear wing and top of the chassis, with branding on the sidepods at key races.

 

 

So not all races?

[LeMans86]

This is confusing:
 
The partnership will see Smirnoff branding featured on the VJM07s of Sahara Force India drivers from next weekend's Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona. Logos will appear on the rear wing and top of the chassis, with branding on the sidepods at key races.
 
 
So not all races?

Well, there's little use for Smirnoff in paying sidepod money at for example Abu Dhabi...

[Exb]

Well, there's little use for Smirnoff in paying sidepod money at for example Abu Dhabi...

I don't think Smirnoff are paying are they?

Edit: Ignore the above - maybe they are paying. I read somewhere that Diageo bought part of Mallaya's United Breweries and this branding was due to them not getting repayment on loans or something (I can't even remember where I read it, probably some nonsense on twitter ), however according to this article http://www.f1times.c...s/display/08811 the sponsorship could be worth £9 million a year so that's pretty good going for Force India

Edited by Exb, 01 May 2014 - 21:14.

[X61]

Well, there's little use for Smirnoff in paying sidepod money at for example Abu Dhabi...

Why would it be of little use?  The race will still be broadcast in countries where you can drink Smirnoff with every meal if you choose to, just like every other event.

[charly0418]

Why would it be of little use?  The race will still be broadcast in countries where you can drink Smirnoff with every meal if you choose to, just like every other event.

 

I dont think they can advertize alcohol there, so that might be the problem. Not sure do

[X61]

I dont think they can advertize alcohol there, so that might be the problem. Not sure do

I know Kingfisher has been on the Force India cars in years past.  And Kimi had one in victory pictures from two years ago.

 

Not saying you're wrong, but I imagine the government can choose who the rules apply to.  Kind of like how they allow hotels there to serve alcohol to foreigners.

[Jon83]

I like the look

 

Looks badass.

 

Their new livery is my favourite on the grid at the moment. Its just a shame the nose is the most horrific.
 

[Jovanotti]

Looks badass.

 

Their new livery is my favourite on the grid at the moment. Its just a shame the nose is the most horrific.
 

Indeed. The sideview is probably the best looking from all cars, but the nose ruins it all.

 

Shame it's not Jelzin vodka there.

Edited by Jovanotti, 02 May 2014 - 12:44.

[understeer]

New nose for force India  ? Remember Andy Green mentioning  a completely different front end as their next update during preseason interviews.

[charly0418]

Doubt they would use a new nose on such an aero demanding race like Spain. If it goes wrong it might be a disaster. HOWEVER, I'm pretty sure we might see it on the test after the race.

[Frankbullitt]

Smirnoff tweeted that there is a reveal soon.

[vas04614]

They already reveleaved car new look via twitter (with smirnoff branding). Wonder whats special to reveal today again?

[charly0418]

The "car" they revealed today is from 2 years ago, just with the new colors. Nothing to see until tomorrow

[vas04614]

New nose for FI by canada..

[DutchQuicksilver]

The car looks quick in race trim, but it won't benefit them if they qualify well outside of the top ten. They definitely lost ground on quali pace, even Hulk doesn't look on it so far.

[vas04614]

Force India F1 team plans "significant" upgrades for British GP

 

"We've been in the points every race. What we've got to do is make sure we continue the development programme and keep the edge on the race side."

 

Does he mean that they are good at race strategy and run time calls?

[charly0418]

Force India F1 team plans "significant" upgrades for British GP

 

"We've been in the points every race. What we've got to do is make sure we continue the development programme and keep the edge on the race side."

 

Does he mean that they are good at race strategy and run time calls?

 

 

They've been horrible with strategy to be honest. Perez could have gotten ahead of Grosjean in Spain but they were too conservative with the strategy, and in Bahrain they made a massive mistake of pitting Hulk before Checo even though Checo was ahead. They get a little lost when their drivers race each other.

[Exb]

New nose (well pillars) http://www.auto-moto...otoshow_item=11

 

 

[charly0418]

Looks like they were able to push some stuff that was planned for Silverstone

[vas04614]

Sergio in PC today

"Yeah we have a couple of upgrades, so we are really enthusiastic.... It’s the first really big upgrade we bring to the car since the beginning of the year, so hopefully that will put us in better shape and a better position."

He says couple of upgrades(parts) and call it big upgrade!!

[charly0418]

Sergio in PC today

"Yeah we have a couple of upgrades, so we are really enthusiastic.... It’s the first really big upgrade we bring to the car since the beginning of the year, so hopefully that will put us in better shape and a better position."

He says couple of upgrades(parts) and call it big upgrade!!

 

Well there's at least 3 big visible aero updates on the car. Conditioners, turning vanes and the nose. If they create some down force it should help the car a ton because that's the only thing its missing

 

Obviously no one is noticing the upgrades because everyone ignores Force India lol, but its going to be a fun weekend

Edited by charly0418, 19 June 2014 - 17:11.

[vas04614]

Hmm.....lets watch S2 laptimes tomorrow. If ther r competitive in S2 then they can fight for the best of the rest.

[vas04614]

Perez was quick in sector 2, expecting him to be stronger again during race in Silverstone.

[vas04614]

Looks as ugly as s**t around silvrstone. Not even race pace is there

[Vickyy]

Looks as ugly as s**t around silvrstone. Not even race pace is there

 

The s**t just got better ;)

[charly0418]

Here we go, left side is the car tested this week, bringing down the fat:

 

[August]

Pretty good FP1, Perez P6 only behind Mercs, Ferraris, and Button. Also Hulk P8. A chance to score good points, podium might be a bit out of reach, though.

[Ducks]

[jannyg]

Got to say I am impressed with the performance of the 2014 Force India

In terms of race pace they seem to be able to match the lower end of the midfielders, and to quality 7th in Monaco on merit went very unnoticed

Mclaren got a lot of credit this weekend for bagging their first points but there was a 2014 Force India just ahead of them which I think is an unbelievable achievement on their resources

I don't want to jump the gun here but if their new car is an expected improvement then this could allow Force India to grab a podium somewhere or at least score consistently with these drivers

Or it could be that the new car is worse than the one currently running due to their financial issues. We will soon find out

But seriously full credit to both Perez and Hulkenberg who are both dragging everything out of this car