
Lewis Hamilton vs Nico Rosberg 2014 Part VII
#51
Posted 31 August 2014 - 21:20
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#52
Posted 31 August 2014 - 21:21
Lamag, on 31 Aug 2014 - 21:12, said:
Maybe it is a short vision but I think is the correct vision. No matter by how many points, if Rosberg win the WDC this year, there is always an argument to take away as much credit as possible from him.
There is always an argument. So nothing new.
If Rosberg wins he will deserve it. So does Lewis.
But many hope it will be Dan. Now that would be awesome.
#53
Posted 31 August 2014 - 21:24
Lamag, on 31 Aug 2014 - 21:12, said:
Maybe it is a short vision but I think is the correct vision. No matter by how many points, if Rosberg win the WDC this year, there is always an argument to take away as much credit as possible from him.
Yeah, and I can do that for many championships. And only with 'one' if per season.
- What if Moss had not defended Hawthorne in 1958, when the latter was threatened to be disqualified at the Portuguese Grand Prix? Because of that Hawthorne won the championship... by one... point... beating... Moss.
- What if Monaco 1984 had been flagged off a couple of laps later? Senna would have won the race, probably, but Prost would have gotten full points for his second place. Worldchampion 1984: Alain Prost. Not Lauda.
- What if Mansells tyre had not blown in 1986? Or if he had pitted out of precautionary measure? Mansell world-champion. Not Prost.
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So, there is an argument for everyone of these championships to say that 'driver X should not have been world-champion'. I never ever heard anyone say or even read once at the time a commentary in a newspaper, magazine or something that dared to utter such nonsense. Only in this brave new world of internet...
#54
Posted 31 August 2014 - 21:35
#55
Posted 31 August 2014 - 21:38
garagetinkerer, on 31 Aug 2014 - 20:52, said:
Honestly speaking, if the pop idol crap Mercedes pulled on their twitter and facepalm didn't irk you and violently enough, then perhaps you're not passionate enough about the sport
Sure **** happened, and one driver came out worse than the other, but the knee-jerk this time, was worse than usual, and not easy to stomach. Of course fans of the affected driver will say it was only fair to bust chops, dock a race or few or whatever, but that is not racing. As i said, it is more pop idol than anything else.
Eh, I was talking about Sky F1's show and in particular Murray Walkers reaction to the events of the past week, nothing esle. How can you offer an opinion of a show you've most likely not watched?
And I take very little notice of Facebook or Twitter, they're hardly representative.
The final point, yes I agree with - the reaction to the incident itself was way too much. But then the statements were made which we're all aware of. Since then I've seen posts starting from it was Hamilton's fault, he didn't leave enough room, he wasn't on his racing line, he was on othe right hand side of the track heading towards the left, it's payback, that'll make him think twice, it's his fault because of (Bahrain, Monaco, Hungary) the FIA rules state, blah, blah, blah.... Don't get me wrong there were plenty of good arguments put forward, too, but like you with Facebook and Twitter, some of the comments posted on here weren't that easy to stomach. Especially since we're supposed to be at least a little bit more informed than average on here. But then if we all agreed, where would the fun be in that?
PS - Please don't question how passionate I am about formula one because we don't agree, I didn't really appreciate that comment much, if at all.
#56
Posted 31 August 2014 - 21:45
#57
Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:07
MrPodium, on 31 Aug 2014 - 21:38, said:
Eh, I was talking about Sky F1's show and in particular Murray Walkers reaction to the events of the past week, nothing esle. How can you offer an opinion of a show you've most likely not watched?
And I take very little notice of Facebook or Twitter, they're hardly representative.
The final point, yes I agree with - the reaction to the incident itself was way too much. But then the statements were made which we're all aware of. Since then I've seen posts starting from it was Hamilton's fault, he didn't leave enough room, he wasn't on his racing line, he was on othe right hand side of the track heading towards the left, it's payback, that'll make him think twice, it's his fault because of (Bahrain, Monaco, Hungary) the FIA rules state, blah, blah, blah.... Don't get me wrong there were plenty of good arguments put forward, too, but like you with Facebook and Twitter, some of the comments posted on here weren't that easy to stomach. Especially since we're supposed to be at least a little bit more informed than average on here. But then if we all agreed, where would the fun be in that?
PS - Please don't question how passionate I am about formula one because we don't agree, I didn't really appreciate that comment much, if at all.
I didn't question your passion for the sport till when you weren't very critical of pop idolisation of F1 and instead were criticising another man who was...
Dare i say it, if i'm reading a report about something like Mercedes potentially sitting out a driver, mostly because some fans say so on interweb, then i don't think i need to watch whatever to react poorly. Walker wasn't alone to express his discontent with such a notion, but i guess...
Edited by garagetinkerer, 31 August 2014 - 22:09.
#59
Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:11
Nemo1965, on 31 Aug 2014 - 21:24, said:
Yeah, and I can do that for many championships. And only with 'one' if per season.
- What if Moss had not defended Hawthorne in 1958, when the latter was threatened to be disqualified at the Portuguese Grand Prix? Because of that Hawthorne won the championship... by one... point... beating... Moss.
- What if Monaco 1984 had been flagged off a couple of laps later? Senna would have won the race, probably, but Prost would have gotten full points for his second place. Worldchampion 1984: Alain Prost. Not Lauda.
- What if Mansells tyre had not blown in 1986? Or if he had pitted out of precautionary measure? Mansell world-champion. Not Prost.
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So, there is an argument for everyone of these championships to say that 'driver X should not have been world-champion'. I never ever heard anyone say or even read once at the time a commentary in a newspaper, magazine or something that dared to utter such nonsense. Only in this brave new world of internet...
Tell me mate... this whole pop-idolisation of F1 by Mercedes has left me more bitter than the changes in regulations and quiet cars with male genitalia hanging from the front.
I just hope Mercedes will allow clean racing between the duo, without trying to influence it for either driver. Though, i wouldn't believe it till i see it now, given how entirely one sided their correction system has been through the year, i would not be surprised if he found some engine modes missing, or was doing economy runs or whatever. If i see different, i will be massively relieved.
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#60
Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:45
Lamag, on 31 Aug 2014 - 20:31, said:
Rosberg does not need to apologize to Lewis. It is what it is. He was forced to apologize and everybody know it.Lewis tasted the Newton's third law. He always was aggressive with Rosberg and Rosberg has finally decided to be aggressive with Lewis. Thats the point he wanted to prove. Lewis knows Rosberg can be as aggressive as him, so next time he wants to put an aggressive move on Rosberg he better think twice.
I actually don't think this is gonna be either driver's state of mind. Lewis is so far behind now that he has basically nothing to lose: the championship is Rosberg's to lose now. If Rosberg once again hits Hamilton, can you imagine the team's reaction?
Imagine for a second that Rosberg takes out Hamilton again, and extends his lead further:
- The team would be furious (the previous public bashing + fine had 0 effect) and would resent him even more
- The FIA might no longer be able to pretend Rosberg is "Mr Nice Guy" / might not want Nico to keep feeling he can do whatever he wants on track
- Bernie would be furious: double points were added to keep some suspense til the end, and Rosberg would be killing the show. He might even make a few penalties happen by himself just to artificially achieve that. And if Rosberg is penalized (especially for artificial suspense), he will hate that.
- Hamilton would have lost the championship for sure (although it might already be the case, this would make it 100% sure) and he would have quite a few races where he could help Ricciardo get closer
I think Rosberg can't afford that. He has used all his wild cards.
Lewis on the other hand, is so far behind on the championship. He will try to pull a Raikkonen 07 (ie : a miracle) but If he doesn't overtake (granted he would start or happen to be behind Nico), he will lose the championship anyway. So he can and will go for it, whatever it takes.
#61
Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:50
Disregarding the fact that Lewis has already been hindered by reliability this year, very heavily as well.
Clawing back deficits again and again...
Ignoring the fact that these are the ONLY championship contenders on the grid and that one of them has gained a very bizarre advantage.
We aren't throwing race bans around for fun, but these things never happen. Sometimes in soccer there are instances where goals are gifted to the other team out of sportsmanship. My hometown club played a game a few years ago that was postponed at half-time because of a medical emergency to an opposition player. We was one goal up at the time, and when the match was rescheduled, the opposition let our goalkeeper walk it into the net. The opposition were our local rivals, no less.
Bizarre scenarios call for bizarre consequences.
I don't believe any F1 fan can truly say to themselves that the integrity of the championship, on Rosberg's end, hasn't been affected. Maybe I'm too soft, but what harm would a readdressing of the F1 championship have done? We come here to find who the best drivers are after all.
Edited by TomNokoe, 31 August 2014 - 22:54.
#62
Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:53
When you see Button comment on Lewis's luck, and the way the results have played out then you get the idea. How much bs can one guy take before he explodes? This is the DIRECT OPPOSITE of the preseason talk of Nico being the cool, calm, collect one. Wrong! He leads the championship, got favorable team orders he didnt need or (allegedly) didnt know of, has better reliability, a new contract, just married(!) YET is the driver who cracked and felt the need to "prove a point". Who is in who's head? Who is the headstrong driver?
#63
Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:53
TomNokoe, on 31 Aug 2014 - 22:50, said:
What bothers me about the whole affair is so many people treat it in isolation.
Disregarding the fact that Lewis has already been hindered by reliability this year, very heavily as well.
Clawing back deficits again and again...
Ignoring the fact that these are the ONLY championship contenders on the grid and that one of them has gained a very bizarre advantage.
We aren't throwing race bans around for fun, but these things never happen. Sometimes in soccer there are instances where goals are gifted to the other team out of sportsmanship. My hometown club played a game that postponed at half time because of a medical emergency to an opposition player. We was one goal up at the time, and when the match was rescheduled, the opposition let our goalkeeper walk it into the net. The opposition were our local rivals, no less.
Bizarre scenarios call for bizarre consequences.
I kind of agree, but you can be sure that had Rosberg been sit out from Monza, then Hamilton would have had a mechanical DNF there that in itself makes me happy to have both drivers racing (with Lewis winning and Rosberg ending 11th
)
#64
Posted 31 August 2014 - 22:59
TF110, on 31 Aug 2014 - 22:53, said:
This is what bothers me so much when experts lend their opinions. To understand F1 you need to be hardcore. When you have living legends like Murray backing Nico it transcends through the entire fan base. I've had to correct so many friends and family this week who wanted to talk about Rosberg cheating with me. The 1% of us see what goes on, we see that Lewis has plentiful mental strength, but there's a 99% out there who hear what Jody Scheckter, or Prost or whoever has to say and they let it lead any opinion they form.Im proud of Lewis. He can keep his cool and just shrug things off. If Nico would have parked it on me in Monaco, then ran me wide at Canada, and the happenings in Germany and Hungary combined with the Spa collision... I would have lost it and probably physically confronted Nico. It takes a bigger man to bottle it and move on. The man tried it at Spa, then Nico tries a super optimistic move and further aggrivates the situation. There has to be this sentiment within the team.
When you see Button comment on Lewis's luck, and the way the results have played out then you get the idea. How much bs can one guy take before he explodes? This is the DIRECT OPPOSITE of the preseason talk of Nico being the cool, calm, collect one. Wrong! He leads the championship, got favorable team orders he didnt need or (allegedly) didnt know of, has better reliability, a new contract, just married(!) YET is the driver who cracked and felt the need to "prove a point". Who is in who's head? Who is the headstrong driver?
The talking is done on track, I know, but the paddock is a strange, self-validating hub of misinformation sometimes.
Edited by TomNokoe, 31 August 2014 - 22:59.
#65
Posted 31 August 2014 - 23:18
TomNokoe, on 31 Aug 2014 - 22:59, said:
This is what bothers me so much when experts lend their opinions. To understand F1 you need to be hardcore. When you have living legends like Murray backing Nico it transcends through the entire fan base. I've had to correct so many friends and family this week who wanted to talk about Rosberg cheating with me. The 1% of us see what goes on, we see that Lewis has plentiful mental strength, but there's a 99% out there who hear what Jody Scheckter, or Prost or whoever has to say and they let it lead any opinion they form.
The talking is done on track, I know, but the paddock is a strange, self-validating hub of misinformation sometimes.
Yeah...it's better to rely on forum experts....the 1%er's.
#66
Posted 31 August 2014 - 23:28
#67
Posted 31 August 2014 - 23:34
Watkins74, on 31 Aug 2014 - 23:18, said:
Yeah...it's better to rely on forum experts....the 1%er's.
Not to mention forum experts, that clearly favour one driver over the other.
TomNokoe, on 31 Aug 2014 - 22:50, said:
Sometimes in soccer there are instances where goals are gifted to the other team out of sportsmanship. My hometown club played a game a few years ago that was postponed at half-time because of a medical emergency to an opposition player. We was one goal up at the time, and when the match was rescheduled, the opposition let our goalkeeper walk it into the net. The opposition were our local rivals, no less.
That's the equal of "Red flag, race restarts, and resets". Then the drivers giving each other the same space that they had when the red flag was thrown.
Tyre puncture would be the same as an Everton defender injuring Luis Suarez last season. It's not like Everton would've removed their best player to level the field. It happens - a season, no matter what sport, is filled with "if's and but's", it's just how it is.
#68
Posted 31 August 2014 - 23:49
SinStorm, on 31 Aug 2014 - 21:45, said:
All i'm hoping for is a straightforward weekend for both drivers (hopefully culminating in a fair fight come race day). What i'm expecting is raised blood pressure, swearing and violent shaking of fists.....
I'm hoping Hamilton knocks a chunk of his wing off on the back of Ricciardo's Red Bull whilst backing out of an ambitious overtake...
#69
Posted 01 September 2014 - 01:58
sennafan24, on 31 Aug 2014 - 19:40, said:
1990? Yes, he was at fault
1989? No, I felt Prost was more to blame.
No... 1989 was Alain's fault. 1990 was just "payback" for that.
But there is no doubt Alain's fault is 1989. But that's my own thoughts on it. Alain closed the door too early on Ayrton in '89. Ayrton was indeed quicker than Alain that race. I think Ayrton would have gotten Alain eventually.
Edited by George Costanza, 01 September 2014 - 02:00.
#70
Posted 01 September 2014 - 02:24
amppatel, on 31 Aug 2014 - 20:52, said:
I have a thought on the crash, and any punishment, that I don't think anyone has mentioned. I'll lead you through my thoughts and I'm sure people will correct me.
Mods: it is relevant to LH Vs NR in terms of how the value to the WDC and what it means to them.
The WDC is not like a GCSE, which (may) give job prospects, nor is it just about the throphey, it's all to do with the respsect that comes with it.
So, what does the WDC actually give the driver:
- Money - I'm sure there is a significant financial reward to the driver who wins it
- Self fufilment (whoo I'm a world chamion - (again) finally )
- Respect from other people - the fans/media/people in the future
In my view, I don't think any of the two care much about the money.
That leaves two rewards for winning the WDC.
For me personally, for anything signifacnt that I try to do, I do it mainly for #3 (without the fans/media, more the boss haha). But of course, there is a balance between #2 and #3 that will vary on the person. However, the balance between the two is actually irrelevant in the present reasoning.
If NR was to win the championship by less than 18 points, surely #2 and #3 (at least partly) go out the window. Yes, NR has done a super job the rest of the season, being very close to LH, but at the end of the day, it was NR's error (doesn't matter if it was intential or not, that is irrelevant), that has allowed him to win the WDC. So if NR was to win the WDC (by less than 18 points), surely, for himself, he will feel a bit dissatisfied with the whole achievement - I know I would.
If NR wins by 1 point, he will be worthy, deserving and receive accolades from all F1 fans outside of the subset of upset Hamilton fans. It is like that reporter that asked Alonso if his WDC would be tainted if he won by less than 7 points after Germany 2010. Alonso didn't bat an eye, leaned forward and without any emotion, unequivocally stated: "no."
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My point is, do you think that NR will gift those points back to LH on his own - without any force?
Hell no. If he did, I'd lose all respect for him - as would the rest of the grid, imo and the entire paddock, imo. Only Lewis might go on and on about what a fair and stand up dude he was. But to be honest, he'd do so while laughing behind his back.
#71
Posted 01 September 2014 - 02:43
i wont cry a river if nico has some misfortune
lewis needs to beat nico ontrack, on sunday
#72
Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:16
TomNokoe, on 31 Aug 2014 - 12:04, said:
Was better than 6th place or wherever Nico finished. I remember Hamilton passing Nico at T1 and then Mercedes being ever so conservative with tyre strategy. It's medium/hard again this year, so maybe a one stop.
One stop looks feasible considering this year's tires are one step up.
#73
Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:41
#74
Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:52
Watkins74, on 31 Aug 2014 - 23:18, said:
Yeah...it's better to rely on forum experts....the 1%er's.
Sadly yes. I used to hold DC in high regard until earlier this year when somebody on these forums pointed out very obvious misrepresentation from Coulthard. Now I just listen to these so called experts as no more than PR mouthpieces trying to influence the casual fan for whichever master pays them most.
#75
Posted 01 September 2014 - 04:05
CHIUNDA, on 01 Sept 2014 - 03:41, said:
Been thinking about this Lewis Nico thing and I think it's better for Mercedes to call it now for say Nico rather than stringing it along. There is an advantage i think for the team, Lewis and his fans cutting their losses and focusing on the future without distractions.
makes little difference, lewis would still try to win races. hes just gotta go out and do the best he can. anything can still happen
#76
Posted 01 September 2014 - 06:01
Regarding the Murray Walker thing, I too was shocked that AFTER Nico Rosberg admitted the crash was on purpose Walker kept saying it was a racing incident and a driving mistake by Nico, WTF!
As he talked I kept asking myself why is he saying this. I have concluded that Mr. Walker has been paid a lot of money to give one or more speeches in the last week and even wrote a magazine article about it, in both instances he must have told everyone, with his considerable wisdom (he’s a broadcaster not a racer) that it was not Nico’s fault and it was an accident. We are talking about his credibility here, aahumm. He was unable to walk it back, like a proper sports person would, he’s a broadcaster, they don’t correct themselves in the face of evidence that contradicts them. After all, if your a broadcaster you have the mic and can get the last word each weekend. You can blot out the truth at 120 db if you should need to. Walker was extremely unwise to say what he did on that show.
#78
Posted 01 September 2014 - 06:25
Techcheat, on 01 Sept 2014 - 06:11, said:
In any case the guy who constantly is faster in qualifying on pure pace can more then keep up on race pace for a few laps or so innit? Why is there a sudden silence on Lewis fans on qualifying and all focus on race. Given up on true one lap pace where you need to get all the sectors together under pressure?
I think the argument was that Hamilton stopped treating Rosberg as a 'real' competitor and therefore doesn't bother beating him in qualifying. On top of that he's mentally so strong that it means nothing to him.
Or something like that.
#79
Posted 01 September 2014 - 06:26
as65p, on 01 Sept 2014 - 06:20, said:
Well, everyone would have been shocked had Rosberg admitted such a thing. Aren't we all glad he didn't?
http://www1.skysport...s-proving-point
Toto Wolff (...) confirmed that the German admitted he didn’t attempt to avoid hitting Lewis Hamilton.
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#80
Posted 01 September 2014 - 06:31
hollowstar, on 01 Sept 2014 - 06:26, said:
http://www1.skysport...s-proving-point
Toto Wolff (...) confirmed that the German admitted he didn’t attempt to avoid hitting Lewis Hamilton.
Did you comprehend that sentence toroughly? That done, compare it with "Rosberg admitted the crash was on purpose" and spot the difference.
Besides from it being not Rosberg himself talking anyway.
#81
Posted 01 September 2014 - 06:40
as65p, on 01 Sept 2014 - 06:31, said:
Did you comprehend that sentence toroughly? That done, compare it with "Rosberg admitted the crash was on purpose" and spot the difference.
Besides from it being not Rosberg himself talking anyway.
There's very little difference between letting a crash happen if you know you can avoid it, and provoking it. Just ask your insurance company. In both cases, you are responsible.
What do you understand when Nico says he made an error of judgement?
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I have already expressed my regret about the incident but, after meeting with Toto, Paddy and Lewis today, I wish to go a step further and describe it as an error of judgement on my part.
Edit: mods probably won't want a re-do of the crash/aftermath topic, so this will be my last post about this.
Edited by hollowstar, 01 September 2014 - 06:42.
#82
Posted 01 September 2014 - 06:48
Rosberg has been very good this year, and probably 95% of Hamilton's performance level. But he has had a lot of luck go his way.
Sometimes titles are decided like that and he certainly would be worthy if he does win.
#83
Posted 01 September 2014 - 06:52
hollowstar, on 01 Sept 2014 - 06:40, said:
There's very little difference between letting a crash happen if you know you can avoid it, and provoking it. Just ask your insurance company. In both cases, you are responsible.
But there's a big difference between provoking a crash and not preventing it, which is relevant here. Twisting the actual words into something you'd like better is pretty meh, you know.
#85
Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:08
as65p, on 01 Sept 2014 - 06:52, said:
Twisting the actual words into something you'd like better is pretty meh, you know.
Said without even a hint of irony.....
I think this upcoming weekend is going to be an excellent one for Lewis.
It's going to be fun though, the 'wingless' Red Bull's are going to be tricky to take on if they get ahead at any point.
Regards Mike
#86
Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:32
Oh god are you really going back to interpreting everyones words about spa again? Can we please finally let it go?
#87
Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:47
blub, on 01 Sept 2014 - 06:01, said:
Regarding the Murray Walker thing, I too was shocked that AFTER Nico Rosberg admitted the crash was on purpose Walker kept saying it was a racing incident and a driving mistake by Nico, WTF!
He's right. It was a driving error. Nico tried a move around the outside.. it failed to work out and by the smallest of margins a front wing has made contact with a rear tyre and it's deflated. It happens on a regular basis.
The words spoken afterwards were purely inter team knife twisting on Nico's part. His reported "I could have avoided it but I didn't want to" outburst wasn't Nico admitting he crashed into Lewis intentionally.. it was Nico saying he could have avoided going wheel to wheel with Lewis but he didn't want to. It was Nico asserting himself. It was Nico saying he won't back down. It was heat of the moment comments spoken after he had been boo'ed on the podium and knowing everyone was angry with him.. plus the tension from Hungary still brewing. That's all it was.
It's like if you're playing football with a friend as kids on a hot summers day and theres a bit of tension in the air and suddenly your brand new ball is kicked into someones garden and a bush deflates it. Your friend suddenly says "I could have avoided kicking your ball there but I didn't want to" and you start to scrap and parents pull you apart and by the end of the day you've made up again. It's just Nico and Lewis trying to score points against each other off track. That's all.
If anyone seriously believed that Nico had turned into Lewis intending to hit him he'd be facing a ban. Plus he isn't that stupid. What if he had lost his front wing but Lewis didn't suffer a puncture. That's gifting 25 points to your rival. It was a mistake.
#88
Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:49
Punishment for Nico
#90
Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:48
Im looking for pics of the incident between Lewis and Nico id anyone can help.
Also Anthony Davidson did a video analysis of the incident if the clip is available?
#91
Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:14
Lewis is quick, so Nico does tricks.
#93
Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:30
sabjit, on 01 Sept 2014 - 09:14, said:
Lewis is quick, so Nico does tricks.
We have a saying in german "Reim dich, oder ich fress dich", something like "rhyme, or I'll eat you" (say's the author to his "lyrics").
Can I propose "Lewis is quicker, but Nico is [a] slicker"? Makes about the same sense without abusing the language...
Edited by as65p, 01 September 2014 - 09:34.
#94
Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:34
GoldenColt, on 01 Sept 2014 - 09:25, said:
Hmmm
Better would be:
Hamilton is too quick
So Rosberg plays a trick
Because of the 's' after trick, the middle-rhyme does not work any more (quick/trick), because the emphasis slightly shifts to the end at 'tricks'.
What would I write on an old bedsheet? Mmm.
Rosberg may be a bore
But Hamilton slams the door
Lewis, Nico:
don't be a fool
race hard and fair
and play it cool
Now you got end-rhyme in two sentences, but with a split in the middle. Less childish and more rhytm.
#95
Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:36
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It was almost as if [FOM] were trying to [send us] a message.
Which wouldn’t be the first time. In Canada, there were – rough estimate – eleventy billion people up in the grandstands during qualifying. On a hot summers’ day. That means there were a zillion marginally underdressed female viewers of the sport, all getting very exited, as well as a quadruplion of funny banners put up by drunk male viewers of the sport. All these shots to choose from, but what does FOM take in focus [at the start of Q1], and blatantly so? The one banner about ROS’ dirty Monaco trick…
#98
Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:01
Oh boy ... we better get another race soon or I will go crazy.
#99
Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:39
Some have underestimated nico's pure speed and the big mistake is to think it would be an easy task for Lewis if he has a trouble free week-end.
Nico's rookie year was the only year he was dominated by a teammate and it was mostly in the first part of the season (in 2006 against webber). Adding to this the fact that he didn't start in a winning car, that he was the son of a former F1 driver, made him looks like an average F1 driver in the eyes of some people, which he wasn't.
Here is some qualy stats of both drivers in qualy since Lewis arrived. (thanks to http://macofan.com/en/)
2007
L Hamilton vs F Alonso : 10:7
N Rosberg vs A Wurz : 15:1
2008
L Hamilton vs H Kovalainen : 13:5
N Rosberg vs K Nakajima : 17:1
2009 :
hamilton vs heiki :12:5
nico vs nakajima : 14:3
2010
L Hamilton vs J Button:13:6
N Rosberg vs M Schumacher : 15:4
2011
L Hamilton vs Button :12:7
N Rosberg vs M Schumacher : 16:3
2012
L Hamilton vs Button 15:5
N Rosberg vs M Schumacher : 12:8
So, two top class qualifiers in F1. Nico was less visible but he he's been impressive. They both had quick teamates, they both faced world champions
So guess what happens when both are teammates ?
It's 16:15 for nico in one and a half year. I don't have exact scores, but i guess nico's been better in dry sessions and lewis in changing track conditions. If you take into account mechanical failures, it should be close. All in all, there is not a clear domination from one side or the other yet.
Edited by malibu, 01 September 2014 - 12:40.