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#1 HistoryFan

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 13:32

Alexander Rossi was very likely to race for Marussia in Austin. Now Marussia withdraws and his GP debut failed.

 

There are some drivers which failed to race in F1 although they had contracts or strong negotations, but their teams failed:

- José María López 2010 at USF1

- Christophe Bouchut and Eric Hélary 1995 at Larrousse

- Oliver Garvin 1996 at Pacific

- Mauro Bianchi 1968 at Alipne Renault

- Peter van Zwan 1974 Arno Alfa Romeo

- Luigi Cevasco 1974 at Dywa

- Maurizio Flammini and Peo Consanni 1980 at Dywa

- Nestor Garcia Veiga 1975 at Berta

- Jordi Gené 1993 at Bravo

- Christian Pescatori 1996 at Durango

 

Are there more examples.



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#2 MatthewA

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 13:46

I seem to recall that Emmanuel Collard was linked to the failed DAMS entry in some capacity....



#3 ensign14

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 14:02

James Rossiter was also signed up for USF1.

 

I think some of the above are highly speculative.  Dywa for instance were never in a fit state to make it to the WC.  They eventually cobbled together a deathtrap that Ghinzani somehow steered through a Monza lap in the Aurora series and made Kauhsen look like the W196.  And I doubt Peter van Zwan would have qualified for a licence.  Although they were more ready than USF1...



#4 SmallHorsey

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 14:16

Are you people just making up names and taking the rest of us for a laugh?



#5 HoldenRT

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 14:26

You avin a laff?  No, Mr Stokes...



#6 SmallHorsey

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 14:39

You avin a laff?  No, Mr Stokes...

Hmm...can't place it. Definitely English. Gonna have a stab at Are You Being Served?...



#7 ForeverF1

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 14:54

Hmm...can't place it. Definitely English. Gonna have a stab at Are You Being Served?...

It's from an old BBC sitcom "When the whistle blows".



#8 renton

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 15:02

It's from an old BBC sitcom "When the whistle blows".

 

Actually, it's a show-within-a-show. Look up Extras by Ricky Gervais



#9 ForeverF1

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 15:03

Actually, it's a show-within-a-show. Look up Extras by Ricky Gervais

I did not want to go into a full blown explanation.



#10 SmallHorsey

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 15:14

It's from an old BBC sitcom "When the whistle blows".

 

 

Actually, it's a show-within-a-show. Look up Extras by Ricky Gervais

Thanks, Never head of it. I'm guessing it's a 70's show. Did see a few episodes of Extras tho. Good show.



#11 thiscocks

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 15:30

reminds me, this forum needs a face palm smiley



#12 Rob

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 15:34

I seem to recall that Emmanuel Collard was linked to the failed DAMS entry in some capacity....

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Allan McNish was also an intended driver - I think he was racing for them in F3000 at the time was he not?



#13 Showty

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 15:40

From F1 Rejects, a bigger list:

 

 

 

Raymond Mays - 1950 ERA
Giovanni Bracco - 1950 Ferrari 
Luigi de Filippis - 1950 Ferrari
Luigi Platé - 1950 Talbot-Lago
Franco Bardoni - 1950 Talbot-Lago
Francis Rochat - 1951 Gordini
Erik Lundgren - 1951 EL
Gianni Marzotto - 1951 Ferrari
Alfred Dattner - 1952 Gordini
Casimiro de Oliveira - 1958 Maserati 
Geoff Duke - 1961 Cooper
Peter Monteverdi - 1961 MBM
Menato Boffa - 1961 Cooper
Ken Miles - 1961 Lotus
Rob Slotemaker - 1962 Porsche
Gary Hocking - 1962 Lotus
Syd van der Dryver - 1962 Lotus
Carlo Abate - 1962 Lotus, 1963 Porsche
Ernie de Vos - 1963 Stebro
Thomas Monarch - 1963 Lotus
Alex Blignaut - 1965 Cooper
David Clapham - 1965 Cooper
Ray Reed - 1965 RE
Mauro Bianchi - 1968 Alpine
Jorge de Bagration - 1974 Surtees
Karl Oppitzhauser - 1976 March
Ricardo Londoño - 1981 Ensign
Fulvio Ballabio - 1984 Spirit
Jari Nurminen - 1988 Coloni
Giovanni Aloi - 1991 GLAS
Anthony Reid - 1992 Jordan
Akihiko Nakaya - 1992 Brabham
Jordi Gené - 1993 Bravo
Ivan Arias - 1993 Bravo*
Olivier Gavin - 1995 Pacific
Katsumi Yamamoto - 1995 Pacific
Harri Toivonen - 1995 Pacific
Christophe Bouchut - 1995 Larrousse
Emmanuele Collard - 1996 DAMS
Christian Pescatori - 1996 Durango*
Sébastien Loeb - 2009 Toro Rosso
José María López - 2010 USF1
James Rossiter - 2010 USF1
Luiz Razia - 2013 Marussia
Josef Král - 2013 HRT* 
Sergey Sirotkin - 2014 Sauber
Alexander Rossi - 2014 Marussia

 

 



#14 FerrariV12

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 16:38

Interesting this is the first I'm hearing of a proposed Durango F1 entry in 1996 (I'd only heard of their 2011 plans in partnership with Villeneuve)



#15 2F-001

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 16:54

As Ensign says, some of those driver/team combinations look highly speculative, and some not a lot more than 'hopefuls' or tentative suggestions.

The second list is of no relevance at all - many of those teams continued long after the dates quoted for the stated drivers' hopes - and so has nothing to do with the question.

I would however, suggest Vincenzo Sospiri, who was signed, turned up and practiced...

#16 GMiranda

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Posted 18 November 2018 - 19:00

These topic should belong to Nostalgia Forum



#17 PayasYouRace

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Posted 18 November 2018 - 19:10

These topic should belong to Nostalgia Forum


You resurrected this 4 year old thread just to add that?

#18 GMiranda

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Posted 18 November 2018 - 19:11

No, because I am interested in knowing more about it, namely about my countrymate Casimiro de Oliveira



#19 Beri

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 06:36

Must surely be some kind of record to resurrect a thread after 4 years of inactivity..

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#20 Widefoot2

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 07:24

Must surely be some kind of record to resurrect a thread after 4 years of inactivity..

Humph - hold my mead...



#21 Beri

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 08:51

Well, to add something to the discussion to keep the thread open..

Interesting this is the first I'm hearing of a proposed Durango F1 entry in 1996 (I'd only heard of their 2011 plans in partnership with Villeneuve)


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#22 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:02

I don't think I'd ever heard of the Durango planned entry before. I've seen the DAMS and the Dome from that timeframe though.



#23 Beri

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:16

#MeToo. But just a bit of Googling brought me to the fact that plans were actually in place.

Edited by Beri, 19 November 2018 - 09:17.


#24 William Hunt

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:24

I seem to recall that Emmanuel Collard was linked to the failed DAMS entry in some capacity....

 

Jan Lammers and Erik Comas were signed to drive for them, Emmanuel Collard was going to be their test / reserve driver
Lammers & Comas actually tested / drove the car, don't know if Collard ever drove it


Edited by William Hunt, 19 November 2018 - 09:27.


#25 Beri

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:50

Wasnt the DAMS project the last serious effort by Lammers to get back into Formula One?

#26 GMiranda

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 11:04

Yes, I think so. He was supposed to continue with March in 1993, sadly the team folded.



#27 GMiranda

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Posted 20 October 2022 - 22:05

From F1 Rejects, a bigger list:

I am sure about Casimiro de Oliveira in 1958 that, according to the acknowledged Portuguese motoring historian and regular writer Ângelo Pinto da Fonseca, Casimiro never drove nor intended to drive at the 1958 Portuguese GP. After his crash in Boavista in 1955, Casimiro suffered career-ending injuries, so his name appearing on the entry list probably was a random choice from Mimmo Dei while waiting for any reason to know the driver who would drive that car in the race.



#28 William Hunt

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Posted 21 October 2022 - 03:04

...

- Peter van Zwan 1974 Arno Alfa Romeo

....

 

Who the hell is this? Never heard about that project either. 



#29 ensign14

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Posted 21 October 2022 - 07:38

Arno van Dijk.  It was actually an F5000 project for the van Hool team.



#30 WonderWoman61

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Posted 08 September 2023 - 12:49

Wasn't Giuseppe Bugatti due to drive for Fondmetal in 1992 but they went bust before he could race for them?

#31 WonderWoman61

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Posted 10 September 2023 - 20:56

I remember Autosport once claimed Jonathan Cochet was likely to drive for Prost in 2002 until they went bust

#32 Risil

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Posted 11 September 2023 - 09:39

I remember Autosport once claimed Jonathan Cochet was likely to drive for Prost in 2002 until they went bust


All these drivers who I should in theory have heard of...

#33 WonderWoman61

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Posted 06 October 2023 - 16:54

Michael Bartels (since he never qualified when he drove for Lotus) is an interesting case as he was supposed to drive for Pacific in 1993 as that was the year they originally intended to enter but they withdrew due to lack of funds and delayed their entry until 1994.

#34 William Hunt

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Posted 09 October 2023 - 04:43

Wasn't Giuseppe Bugatti due to drive for Fondmetal in 1992 but they went bust before he could race for them?

 

I was convinced that it was actually AGS. I believe he did have a contract signed even. In AutoSprint that year they wrote that Bugatti might finish the season instead of Grouilard at Tyrrell in '92, Luca Badoer at that time was linked to a '93 Tyrrell seat.



#35 WonderWoman61

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Posted 09 October 2023 - 10:29

I was convinced that it was actually AGS. I believe he did have a contract signed even. In AutoSprint that year they wrote that Bugatti might finish the season instead of Grouilard at Tyrrell in '92, Luca Badoer at that time was linked to a '93 Tyrrell seat.


I think Ross Cheever was linked to AGS at one point before they went bust.