AustinF1, on 21 Feb 2015 - 21:40, said:
Agreed.
Well, I'm not the only 1 with 3 T's then
Posted 21 February 2015 - 21:55
bogi, on 21 Feb 2015 - 18:51, said:
This thread is hitting red line, but still no close to 2011
OvDrone, on 21 Feb 2015 - 18:53, said:
Man, that 2011 thread was hilarious.
Button4life, on 21 Feb 2015 - 19:30, said:
Oh, I think I need to read it back then. Do you remember how the reaction was after the 1st race in 2011
Absulute, on 21 Feb 2015 - 21:19, said:
ButtonForEver, on 21 Feb 2015 - 21:23, said:
Call me crazy, but they can win in 2015.
f1tomi8, on 21 Feb 2015 - 21:26, said:
Amen!
BillBald, on 21 Feb 2015 - 21:32, said:
OK, you're both crazy, but the car might be able to win anyway.
Button4life, on 21 Feb 2015 - 21:36, said:
I agree with this. Hopefully we can do a Red Bull and will this year be the 2009 of Red Bull. Building a good base and keep improving every year. I think everyone prefers a fast car that is unrealible over a car that's realible but slow. For this you need patience as you can't do and learn everyting in 1 minute. It takes time. I've 3 T's for that
Things
Take
Time
AustinF1, on 21 Feb 2015 - 21:40, said:
Agreed.
RedOne, on 21 Feb 2015 - 21:43, said:
Some quality reading so far about the MP4-30.
I wasnt able to quote anymore.
Posted 21 February 2015 - 22:09
Posted 21 February 2015 - 22:15
MastaKink, on 21 Feb 2015 - 22:11, said:
5 of the posts you quoted are about the MP4-30.
Yours and this one aren't.
It looks like Lemans was right.
Please quote the quotes I quoted which are about the mp4-30, im struggling to find more than two that even mention the word car.
Thanks in advance
Posted 21 February 2015 - 22:22
Ducks, on 21 Feb 2015 - 22:15, said:
Please quote the quotes I quoted which are about the mp4-30, im struggling to find more than two that even mention the word car.
Thanks in advance
Between the Seal and Bob Marley. 3 posts about the performance and hopes for the season of the MP4-30 and 2 posts in agreement.
What do you think they are talking about?
You're welcome.
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Posted 21 February 2015 - 22:35
Gilles4Ever, on 21 Feb 2015 - 17:41, said:
Can we please stop with the discussion of the fans and anybody else the history of the team or anything else that is off topic and limit the discussion to the car.
MastaKink, on 21 Feb 2015 - 22:22, said:
Between the Seal and Bob Marley. 3 posts about the performance and hopes for the season of the MP4-30 and 2 posts in agreement.
What do you think they are talking about?
You're welcome.
I just figured posters would adhere to the moderator warning.
I cant see how agreeing or making hopes and wishes is discussion of the car.
Some images for the sake of the car thread.
Posted 21 February 2015 - 22:43
Ducks, on 21 Feb 2015 - 22:35, said:
I just figured posters would adhere to the moderator warning.
I cant see how agreeing or making hopes and wishes is discussion of the car.
Those 5 did.
It is when you're agreeing with the hopes and wishes about the performance of the MP4-30. Surely?
Car pic
Edited by MastaKink, 21 February 2015 - 22:44.
Posted 21 February 2015 - 22:45
Posted 21 February 2015 - 22:59
Posted 21 February 2015 - 23:14
Alonso did manage aero testing on Friday. Hopefully they can continue more of that it they still have PU problems and continue to run it in a 'de-tuned' state. I'm sure they have plenty of other work they can do.
Posted 21 February 2015 - 23:37
Are there any recent talk from Arai/Boulier about the development of the car?
Posted 22 February 2015 - 00:03
Testing so far (McLaren Honda)
- Jerez - 79 laps - 350 kilometres
- Barcelona (3 days) - 104 laps - 484 kilometers
(Mercedes)
- Jerez - 516 laps - 2285 kilometers
- Barcelona (3 days) - 315 laps - 1466 kilometers
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Red Bull (2014 season)
- Jerez - 21 laps - 93 kilometers
- Bahrain (3 days) - 98 laps - 530 kilometers
Posted 22 February 2015 - 00:19
Yeah thats super dumb...
I give a ****...
Too many idiots posting crap on youtube wasting peoples time.
Now back to the car... I would imagine there will be serious discussions going on in Honda HQ concerning Arai's leadership.
This latest setback is most disappointing. I'm just gald no one picked up my post about breaking down on the track from the last thread.
Sorry guys I jinxed us.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 00:41
Posted 22 February 2015 - 01:39
They probably needs Über-seal.
It felt like the racing gods haven't gave them the seal of approval....
At least according to Button the driveability is good.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 03:33
F1 engineers can't cope with McLaren's new car - we need rocket scientists, that's all we need.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 03:34
Posted 22 February 2015 - 03:52
The more I see the rear end of the MP4-30 the more I think it just has to be a quick car. It'd be such a shame to waste what could be a great car with a mediocre engine.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 04:22
Laura23, on 22 Feb 2015 - 03:52, said:
The more I see the rear end of the MP4-30 the more I think it just has to be a quick car. It'd be such a shame to waste what could be a great car with a mediocre engine.
The problem with this statement is that we don't know whether the engine is mediocre or not. What do we know is at this stage, the engine isn't reliable. Also remember that the car probably wouldn't happen without the Honda engine. Without the integration between the engine and aero department (which they definitely didn't have last year with Merc engine), I'm not sure McLaren can have such a tight rear end. If the end result is an unreliable but fast engine with the possibility to fix the reliability without sacrificing speed, then they took the right direction. But if the reliability can only be fixed by making the engine slower to an uncompetitive level, then both (not only Honda, but also McLaren) shares the blame, because they pursue something that is probably out of reach (which is basically what RB10 last year). Hopefully with a tight working relationship, they can avoid what happened to RB10 last year.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 04:39
pusko, on 22 Feb 2015 - 03:34, said:
I will be patient until Barcelona GP. But after that bashing starts.
They deserve at least 5 or 6 races in my opinion, the only thing we should expect is that they move forward race by race and never backward. Also, I will be very careful drawing any kind of parallelism with RB in 2014.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 04:43
Christophe77, on 21 Feb 2015 - 17:07, said:
Still only 21 laps? disappointed by Honda... Yes you can compare to Renault last year, but you can also compare to mercedes last year and they're miles off...
Is anyone here surprised by that?
Mercedes have had a presence in the sport many years and have pretty much been the best engine maker for as long as I can remember. Maybe you could make a case for Ferrari during 2005-2008.. maybe.
Honda weren't the strongest even with their V10 or V8.. the V10's lunched themselves when the 2 race rule was brought in.. in Sepang 2005, Ant and Button had both engines let go in the first 10 laps of the race. They improved things as time went on, but not really to a point where you could say they had the strongest engine. The V8's had a similar thing early on, it's hard to single out the engine but with V8's Honda were at their weakest as a team which then lead to them leaving the sport.
Now they return and they are supposed to match what Mercedes have been doing all along? And that's not even to mention..
They only have one car/team to test on, and they are 12 months behind in development.
It's always been a long term project.
Can people open their eyes and see how obvious that is? Because some have been saying it through the whole of last year. Or is it just a case of grass is always greener syndrome?
To be with Honda is a great risk but also a potential for future success. The first 12 months will be hardest, but as time goes on there is potential for them to be strong. IMO McLaren saw this as their best chance to beat Merc, because they know with Merc engines it'd always be hard. (See Monza with Williams last season)
Posted 22 February 2015 - 05:26
kosmos, on 22 Feb 2015 - 04:39, said:
They deserve at least 5 or 6 races in my opinion, the only thing we should expect is that they move forward race by race and never backward. Also, I will be very careful drawing any kind of parallelism with RB in 2014.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 07:10
HoldenRT, on 22 Feb 2015 - 04:43, said:
Is anyone here surprised by that?
Mercedes have had a presence in the sport many years and have pretty much been the best engine maker for as long as I can remember. Maybe you could make a case for Ferrari during 2005-2008.. maybe.
Honda weren't the strongest even with their V10 or V8.. the V10's lunched themselves when the 2 race rule was brought in.. in Sepang 2005, Ant and Button had both engines let go in the first 10 laps of the race. They improved things as time went on, but not really to a point where you could say they had the strongest engine. The V8's had a similar thing early on, it's hard to single out the engine but with V8's Honda were at their weakest as a team which then lead to them leaving the sport.
Now they return and they are supposed to match what Mercedes have been doing all along? And that's not even to mention..
They only have one car/team to test on, and they are 12 months behind in development.
It's always been a long term project.
Can people open their eyes and see how obvious that is? Because some have been saying it through the whole of last year. Or is it just a case of grass is always greener syndrome?
To be with Honda is a great risk but also a potential for future success. The first 12 months will be hardest, but as time goes on there is potential for them to be strong. IMO McLaren saw this as their best chance to beat Merc, because they know with Merc engines it'd always be hard. (See Monza with Williams last season)
Posted 22 February 2015 - 07:38
At this point, I'm willing to believe everything. Could be a beast, or could blow up regularily on the first lap. Not enough data for a clear image.
Now about the car, what's with the split hole in the nose? I know, I know, there's been holes in the nose since a lot of years now, F-duct etc...but why is it bigger and split this time? where do these pipes lead to?
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Posted 22 February 2015 - 07:51
"McLaren offers me a sh*thoad of money for 2015, would you take it?"
"50 million, are you serious?"
"Get the **** outa here, the thing dosn't even run..?"
"That's ok, I'm good.!
Edited by Rasputin, 22 February 2015 - 08:00.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 07:56
McLaren @McLarenF1 17m17 minutes ago
Our drivers will be sharing duties today, with Fernando in the car first and JB taking the reins this afternoon.
Equality™
Posted 22 February 2015 - 08:04
Courtesy of McLaren Soul tumblr site.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 08:05
i don't get it, this is a entirely new project and new car, and people are already questioning Arai's leadership.........................................................................
Posted 22 February 2015 - 08:20
kosmos, on 22 Feb 2015 - 07:56, said:
McLaren @McLarenF1 17m17 minutes ago
Our drivers will be sharing duties today, with Fernando in the car first and JB taking the reins this afternoon.
Equality™
They run only 20-30 laps a day and then share it?
So things will be even less comparable as they are now.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 08:31
Maybe Honda spared too much resource into making quality novelty decals for Feb 10 press conference & fan event....
Now it's time to make quality Honda seal... (´・ω・`)
Or better with OEM \(^o^)/
Posted 22 February 2015 - 08:53
Doesn't look good again. Not even an instalation lap.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:05
Its pretty obvious its not just about this mysterious "seal" - when asked if that was the problem that stopped him running again yesterday JB replied, afer a slight hesitation - "its an issue yes"
Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:18
Well, 1 hour and 15 minutes into the day, no running, what's going on?
Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:20
Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:20
Treads, on 22 Feb 2015 - 09:18, said:
Well, 1 hour and 15 minutes into the day, no running, what's going on?
Over an hour gone on the final day here and we still haven't seen the McLaren venture from the garage. The plan is to split running between both of their race drivers today, but there won't be much to split if these delays continue indefinitely.
Of course, the team have, in their own words, had to "re-engineer" the replacement seal on the MGU-K after it failed to cure the problem which first arose on Day One so it's likely those alterations to the power unit are taking place now.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:25
This is getting beyond a joke. WTF is going on with Honda?
Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:27
Please take the blow by blow testing chatter to the testing thread and keep this thread for discussing the car
Posted 22 February 2015 - 09:31
The latest from McLaren is that they have had a new MGU-K seal arrive over night and they are fitting it to the car now and hope to be on track very shortly. As for the line-up change it isn't so much a case of balancing out the mileage from a driving perspective, but to allow both drivers to give equal development feedback. #Sky sport
Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:00
Obviously if there is going to be a program with two drivers, McLaren Honda are sure they are going to do more laps today. Imagine 100 laps. Personally I would be very happy if McLaren Honda can sort out reliability issues and power unit fine tuning till the end of pre season tests.
Edited by RYARLE, 22 February 2015 - 10:03.
Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:06
Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:42
The Honda sounds awful off-throttle. The Renault is the quietest of the three.
The Ferrari seems to put the power down quite well, not entirely smoothly, though.
It's sort of a middle ground between the Renault and Honda in terms of the noise as the throttle is applied.
It's when Alonso puts the power down that there's an odd interim noise before 'full' power. It's hard to describe, so we'll stick with 'unrefined'.
The transition through the notes is smoother with the Renault, as you'd expect. Even when Alonso looks like he's starting to push and gets on the throttle earlier mid-corner, the Honda sounds quite rough.
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Posted 22 February 2015 - 10:53
Yeah the sound of the engine today is quite something.
video here:
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Posted 22 February 2015 - 11:01
kosmos, on 22 Feb 2015 - 10:53, said:
Yeah the sound of the engine today is quite something.
video here:
https://twitter.com/...446006158467072
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