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[mzvztag]

The difference btween the two is that Vettel maximized his results and won the WDC each time he had the best car in the field.

[sennafan24]

The difference btween the two is that Vettel maximized his results and won the WDC each time he had the best car in the field.

How is this relevant to 2015

 

Seb maximized his result today. Kimi posed no real threat at Monaco, due to the high importance of qualifying. Provided he gets a reasonable start, a podium should be a piece of cake for Seb tomorrow.

 

Kimi fans will probably have to wait for Canada or Austria to experience any joy.

[josepatches]

The gap in qualifying is as big if not bigger than it was last year. Some races Kimi is close but who knows if it could be just a bad day for Seb.
It seems Vettel is clearly a better driver for the actual format of Q

[ardbeg]

Managing gaps and traffic is also your job, Kimi. Too many mistakes now. Vettel are using his head more and apart from his off when fighting Rosberg, he has more or less maxed his results in both Q and race the whole season so far.

[silver fan]

Raikkonen bemoaning not being able to get it together in Qualifying is fast becoming the F1 Groundhog Day Meme. The guy's brilliant, but jeez this is just plain frustrating to watch. 

[MortenF1]

…and setting the mostly poor results on Saturday aside, Räikkönen has also maximized his races.

He's got one problem which he's not in denial over, but I definitely think he needs to outqualify Vettel a couple of times on the trot, for things to really get better.

[ardbeg]

…and setting the mostly poor results on Saturday aside, Räikkönen has also maximized his races.

Yes, his race pace has been good, but IMO, you can not maximize your race unless you start at the best position possible. Unless you win of course. So I will not grant him that honor.

[Timantti]

It's funny because back when Vettel kept winning championships people were saying how he can only win from the front and can't deal with starting behind the front row like for example Kimi can. Now we see that flawed logic in action when Vettel still keeps qualifying well and not making many mistakes while Kimi can't match that no matter how much he gains in races. 

Edited by Timantti, 23 May 2015 - 16:16.

[OO7]

Raikkonen walloped again even after some average efforts from Vettel.

You'd expect him to be there to pounce when Seb isn't quite there during qualification, but he always comes up short.

[krea]

…and setting the mostly poor results on Saturday aside, Räikkönen has also maximized his races.

He's got one problem which he's not in denial over, but I definitely think he needs to outqualify Vettel a couple of times on the trot, for things to really get better.

 

A result of the superior pace of the Ferrari compared to the non-Mercedes.

 

In a similiar field like last year and we would see how he would be stuck behind mid tier teams.

[MortenF1]

A result of the superior pace of the Ferrari compared to the non-Mercedes.

 

In a similiar field like last year and we would see how he would be stuck behind mid tier teams.

True, but I was more thinking about his race-pace vs his team-mates'. 

[Watkins74]

Another money lap from Vettel, he really whipped his car back and forth to get heat into those tires.

 

Kimi did what I expected from him.

[Jovanotti]

For Kimi's sake, I hope Pirelli will soften up their tyre choices. Else it's pretty much game over, even though it's clear that he'd still have a lot to offer.

Edited by Jovanotti, 23 May 2015 - 17:11.

[Alexandros]

For Kimi's sake, I hope Pirelli will soften up their tyre choices. Else it's pretty much game over, even though it's clear that he'd still have a lot to offer.

 

Not gonna happen, tires are already done for 2015. Pirelli even hardened the supersoft for this year, instead of making it softer.

[Alexandros]

Monaco could actually be the first race this year that he genuinely underperforms. 

 

The reasons for this prediction is:

 

a) There are too many things that can go wrong in qualify traffic (and with Kimi, for some reason, they usually go wrong).

b) There are cars like Toro Rosso that I'm afraid can outqualify Kimi if he is not at the top of his game (due to reasons C and D I'm afraid he won't)

c) The supersofts might not be soft enough or grippy enough for the track conditions

d) Kimi is better at tracks where he can open his trajectory and use more track. Walls / barriers prevent that.

 

Even if Vettel has a shittier weekend than Kimi and Kimi outscores him or something (like he was going to do last year while running for the podium due to Alonso getting squeezed at the start), I don't expect Kimi to do wonders. Hope he proves me wrong though. 

 

So

 

a) Check - Kimi hit traffic

b) Check - He was outqualified by the 2 RBRs creating a gap with Vettel

c) Check - Softs and SuperSofts are inadequate

d) Check - His driving style didn't shine at any point

 

Let's see how the race goes 

[Quickshifter]

I rate Kimi but he is running out of excuses as far as qualifying is concerned.

Edited by Quickshifter, 23 May 2015 - 18:17.

[HoldenRT]

This comment has nothing to do with Kimi but just a general comment that I've found over the years, for all aspects of life.

 

I hate excuses.

 

Kimi is brilliant but..

 

I liked Kimi so much more when it was Kimi is brilliant.. (no but)

 

That was 8-10 years ago though.

[Vesuvius]

people can't excpect Kimi to do much better in qualifying, because his problem is to get heat in to the tyres and those tyres are still the same and even harder than those he has trouble since 2013 middle season. this weekend everyone has complained not to get tyres heated up, Bottas said it took 4-5 laps to get ss-tyres up to working range.

Vettel did a maximum again and hopefully tomorrow he can spoil mercedes party. For Kimi, the hope is to overtake Red Bulls and then try to do something with strategy.

[MortenF1]

I hope they can go for an over-cut with Räikkönen. I think that can work.

[McHonda96]

but can vettel beat kimi on a cold rainy day at Stoke? 

Edited by McHonda96, 23 May 2015 - 19:20.

[tom]

Ten bucks down the drain, another ten down there tommorrow too by the looks.

[V8 Fireworks]

Raikkonen bemoaning not being able to get it together in Qualifying is fast becoming the F1 Groundhog Day Meme. The guy's brilliant, but jeez this is just plain frustrating to watch. 

 

Does not compute...

 

If Kimi is frustrating then he is NOT brilliant! 

[Radion]

Rai's qualy performance is unacceptable. Two Williams, two torro rossos and now two red bull managed to slip in between. And its nice and all he's admitting doing mistakes but hell, shut up and deliver already. He's doing himself and the team no favour by compromising his races almost all the time on Saturdays.
Expecting some aggressive moves from him after the tunnel. He owes the team fourth.

[MortenF1]

Two Williamses? You've got yourself confused.

[Crossmax]

I wouldn't give up on Kimi yet. As long as he stays 4th in the Championship and keeps delivering WCC points he has value. He would be to expensive to keep for any other team but Ferrari doesn't seem to care about paying drivers big $.

That is only if Ferrari's intention is to have a clear no 1 and no2, which I don't think it is. What you are actually saying is that any driver who is, on average, capable of finishing ahead of the Williams drivers would be good enough for Ferrari?

[Zava]

Two Williamses? You've got yourself confused.

why? williams in china, str in barcelona, rbr in monaco.

[MortenF1]

why? williams in china, str in barcelona, rbr in monaco.

Ah! So it's me who's confused!   I thought we were talking about todays grid.

Edited by race addicted, 24 May 2015 - 09:29.

[Vesuvius]

Why didn't they pit Kimi during safety car...big mistake! Great, althought bit lucky second place for Vettel.

[mzvztag]

Well, to be honest, I expected Ricciardo to get a penalty.

[Timantti]

I feel bad for Kimi. Hopefully there's still some good races for him to come this season.

[LEO10]

Why didn't they pit Kimi during safety car...big mistake! Great, althought bit lucky second place for Vettel.

Because he was infront of Ricciardo I guess, no point to pit and lose that position, just look at Hamilton  Perfect race from Seb. Kimi was ****ed since Saturday and what an incredible pass from Ricciardo into Mirabeu, a ****ing dummy into Mirabeu, doesn't get much better than that, despite Kimi's best efforts to push him into the wall.

[krea]

Vettel

 

28 points to Hamilton 

38 points to Raikonnen

Edited by krea, 24 May 2015 - 14:28.

[DutchQuicksilver]

Because he was infront of Ricciardo I guess, no point to pit and lose that position, just look at Hamilton  Perfect race from Seb. Kimi was ****ed since Saturday and what an incredible pass from Ricciardo into Mirabeu, a ****ing dummy into Mirabeu, doesn't get much better than that, despite Kimi's best efforts to push him into the wall.

What?

[Vesuvius]

Because he was infront of Ricciardo I guess, no point to pit and lose that position, just look at Hamilton Perfect race from Seb. Kimi was ****ed since Saturday and what an incredible pass from Ricciardo into Mirabeu, a ****ing dummy into Mirabeu, doesn't get much better than that, despite Kimi's best efforts to push him into the wall.

Incredible pass? hitting and pushing Kimi out, doesn't look incredible to me.

[LEO10]

What?

What what? Don't tell me you think Ricciardo should have gotten a penalty, while Kimi is moving around in the braking zone like some dick. He was lucky this time it didn't give him a puncture like in 2013, when he did the exact same to Perez. 

[Radion]

Because he was infront of Ricciardo I guess, no point to pit and lose that position, just look at Hamilton  Perfect race from Seb. Kimi was ****ed since Saturday and what an incredible pass from Ricciardo into Mirabeu, a ****ing dummy into Mirabeu, doesn't get much better than that, despite Kimi's best efforts to push him into the wall.

You're criticising the driver that tried to defend but praise the one that pushed his way through. You'll find anything to say against Rai, even if he would win races by lapping the grid, I'm sure about that.

 

Other than that, great job by Vettel once again. 

[Raikkonen94]

Fantastic performance from Seb! After yesterday I don 't think Kimi could do much better and I thought Ricciardo deserved a penalty, especially since Alonso got one for the exact same move.

[Vesuvius]

What what? Don't tell me you think Ricciardo should have gotten a penalty, while Kimi is moving around in the braking zone like some dick. He was lucky this time it didn't give him a puncture like in 2013, when he did the exact same to Perez.

Perez thing 2013 was clearly fault of Perez alone, this time it wasn't clearly fault of Ricciardo, but I would say 60% Daniel's fault, Kimi should have closed the door a bit earlier.

[DutchQuicksilver]

What what? Don't tell me you think Ricciardo should have gotten a penalty, while Kimi is moving around in the braking zone like some dick. He was lucky this time it didn't give him a puncture like in 2013, when he did the exact same to Perez. 

Where Ricciardo tried the move there is no overtaking spot there, so yeah a penalty could have been given. He was reckless, not typical of Ricciardo at all.

[apoka]

Good race by Vettel. 

 

16.3 points per race so far and only 28 points behind the WDC leader in a much stronger car.

 

This season the typical pattern is that Vettel tries to fight the Mercs and Kimi fends off the cars behind. Vettel was lucky today, but you also have to be there to capitalise (reminds me of a certain F. Alonso).

Edited by apoka, 24 May 2015 - 14:30.

[Zesus]

This race is just a proof that if you qualify bad, you're gonna pay the price no matter how good driver you are. I'm really angry with Kimi's form in qualifying and I'm almost gonna say that he deserved this position today. He has a good car and he looks like he's driving STR just because he qualifys himself bad. I really, really hope something good happens for him in Canada because this is unacceptable. If he continues like this, he should accept that there'll always be someone who'll push him off the track and unexpected (bad) things will happen.

[Blutto]

A definite penalty for RIC. Kimi had the racing line. The stewards screwed up on this one.

[Jimisgod]

Incredible pass? hitting and pushing Kimi out, doesn't look incredible to me.

 

Contact only happened when Kimi closed the door. It was a racing incident anyway.

[krea]

That's the difference if you are dealing with the mid field team of the week or just with the two drivers in the fastest car.

Edited by krea, 24 May 2015 - 14:30.

[LEO10]

Perez thing 2013 was clearly fault of Perez alone, this time it wasn't clearly fault of Ricciardo, but I would say 60% Daniel's fault, Kimi should have closed the door a bit earlier.

It was confirmed by the stewards afterwards that it was Kimi's fault rather than Perez's. You can't change your line under braking like that obviously. Kimi changed his line a bit too today under braking which caused the contact, but it wasn't anything massive, I guess he never expected Ricciardo to try it there. It was simply a great opportunistic pass from Ric, a bit aggressive but that's racing.

[dreamer]

My ignore list is getting bigger and bigger...

 

I didn't watch the race today but from what I've been reading Mercedes made a big gift to Ferrari and Rosberg. 

Happy for the second place, another podium for the team and another good race for Sebastian but I can't stop feeling bad for Hamilton even if I'm not his fan and I support Ferrari, Kimi and Vettel.

 

Kimi's race was compromised yesterday with a bad qualifying.

I've watched a video with the highlights. About the Ricciardo' incident: didn't Alonso got a penalty for doing the same thing? Anyway, the sooner Kimi puts this weekend behind, the better.

[Disgrace]

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