192 replies to this topic

[Claudius]

Ben1445, on 30 Apr 2015 - 17:10, said:

I always thought Schumacher's blocking of Barrichello at Hungary was a bit mean..

 

I agree with that.

I'm a MS fan since forever but that incident was his most dangerous IMO.

I still can't believe he went that far, pushing Rubens to the wall. Madness...

[brr]

Claudius, on 01 May 2015 - 17:56, said:

I agree with that.

I'm a MS fan since forever but that incident was his most dangerous IMO.

I still can't believe he went that far, pushing Rubens to the wall. Madness...

 

It happens:

 

[Ducks]

brr, on 01 May 2015 - 18:00, said:

It happens:

 

 

And we know why that happened, poor Webber with his engine turned down thinking the team had ordered a 1-2

[mangeliiito]

Ducks, on 01 May 2015 - 18:05, said:

And we know why that happened, poor Webber with his engine turned down thinking the team had ordered a 1-2

Oh, I so do not have the energy to track down the article with Horner stating that they had the same setting...

[Nemo1965]

Spillage, on 01 May 2015 - 17:05, said:

I read in Christopher Hilton's Grand Prix Century that at that event Elio De Angelis played piano (which everyone knew he could do well) and then Villeneuve astonished everyone by demonstrating he could as well. It's a great story, all in all, with some typically astute/devious tactics from Lauda keeping the drivers together. Well worth reading about.

 

Bruno Giacomelli surpassed them, I think, by making a schematic drawing of a Kalasjnikov-machinegun and then make a series of accturate drawings of the disassembled parts of the gun...

[Nemo1965]

brr, on 01 May 2015 - 18:00, said:

It happens:

 

 

No, no. Different situation altogether. It is a big difference between a driver choosing the narrow path himself (as happens here) or the driver being perfectly next the other driver and then being squeezed into the wall.

[MikeV1987]

Ducks, on 01 May 2015 - 18:05, said:

And we know why that happened, poor Webber with his engine turned down thinking the team had ordered a 1-2

 

the better driver won.

 

if the roles were reversed you would probably praise webber for that pass.

Edited by MikeV1987, 01 May 2015 - 22:08.

[vista]

MikeV1987, on 30 Apr 2015 - 11:38, said:

Some of Webbers antics throughout the RB years were pretty weak, aussie 'grit' my arse. He was a hypocrite to say the least.

 

May I ask what he did that made him a hypocrite? I can't for the life of me imagine what Webber did making his antics worse than those of Horner, Vettel, and Marko from that period... 

[MikeV1987]

vista, on 01 May 2015 - 22:08, said:

May I ask what he did that made him a hypocrite? I can't for the life of me imagine what Webber did making his antics worse than those of Horner, Vettel, and Marko from that period... 

Silverstone 2011, Webber starts on pole but blows the start allowing Vettel past. Webber was closing in on Vettel in the remaining laps and had a direct team order not to pass Vettel for 2nd. That did not stop him though, he raced Vettel all the way to the finish but couldn't get past. 

Edited by MikeV1987, 01 May 2015 - 22:33.

[vista]

MikeV1987, on 01 May 2015 - 22:30, said:

Silverstone 2011, Webber starts on pole but blows the start allowing Vettel past. Webber was closing in on Vettel in the remaining laps and had a direct team order not to pass Vettel for 2nd. That did not stop him though, he raced Vettel all the way to the finish but couldn't get past. 

 

Good point. Some serious antics there I see. Right up there with Vettel's humble attitude in Turkey, Malaysia 12, and 13. 

[MikeV1987]

vista, on 01 May 2015 - 22:40, said:

Good point. Some serious antics there I see. Right up there with Vettel's humble attitude in Turkey, Malaysia 12, and 13. 

 

 

What about Silverston 2010, when he tried the new FW and didn't even prefer it over the older spec. Meanwhile in P3 Vettel (who was running the same wing) had a failure so Newey & co decide they really want to run that wing in the race, since their was only one left they decided to give it to Vettel who actually did prefer it over the old one. Webbers n2 driver hissy fit was a joke.

 

Turkey 2010? Vettel under the pressure from the McLaren duo decides hes going to pull a fast one on his team mate and moves over too early, granted Vettel may have been more at fault, but Webber was asking for it by squeezing him to the edge of the track like that too. He plays it out as if he's faultless, pfft.

 

Malaysia 13? Webber was benefiting from team orders for nearly the entire race before that pass. Vettel was RIGHT to pass him, If anything I gained more respect for Seb after that one. see Silverstone 2011 or even Brazil 2012 for hypocrisy. Think about it. a) You are a triple world champion. b) the field at the time was very competitive, Merc, Ferrari, RBR, & Lotus looking very strong. c) you know your team mate is unlikely to beat you in the championship and would DEFINITELY pass you if given the opportunity  d) two of your WDCs went down to the last race, it is only race 2 but you know EVERY point counts. What do you do?

 

Malaysia 12? when Vettel called Karthikeyan a cucumber/moving obstacle/idiot. Yeah Vettel must have been wrong there considering he pitted from 4th and ended up finishing 11th because of that puncture. Meanwhile Karthikeyan got a 20 second post race penalty for it.

 

Overall Mark was a hypocrite, among other things.

 

 & For the record, I loved seeing those two race each other. Because when they did, they raced hard. But Vettel being constantly played out as the bad guy was bs.

Edited by MikeV1987, 01 May 2015 - 23:58.

[Riverside]

Lewis Hamilton: 

 

Quote

My first season in Formula 1, alongside a world champion – a double world champion – and I blew him away. I beat him. No-one’s ever come in their first year and been at the front, let alone beat a world champion, beat the mentality and the strength that he would have, and his experience in Formula 1 already up to that point.

 

 

  The bolded part is probably the biggest exaggeration about performance said by any driver in a few decades...  Meanwhile to an extent JV's first year with Williams - he had pole in his first race,

victory in his 4th (like Lewis)   4 victories  (same as Lewis)  and pressed Hill till the last race at Suzuka.   I'd tip Lewis's year as as better than JV's - but  Hamilton did not blow away Alonso nor was he the first to run at the front in his first year.   

[Riverside]

MikeV1987, on 01 May 2015 - 22:50, said:

Overall Mark was a hypocrite, among other things.

 

Webber played a nice Aussie violin -  and Multi 21 was payback....   No sympathy for him here in my book. 

[Norm]

Riverside, on 01 May 2015 - 23:41, said:

Lewis Hamilton: 

 

 

  The bolded part is probably the biggest exaggeration about performance said by any driver in a few decades...  Meanwhile to an extent JV's first year with Williams - he had pole in his first race,

victory in his 4th (like Lewis)   4 victories  (same as Lewis)  and pressed Hill till the last race at Suzuka.   I'd tip Lewis's year as as better than JV's - but  Hamilton did not blow away Alonso nor was he the first to run at the front in his first year.   

 

If Hamilton really said this, he is completely diluted.

[Talisker]

Norm, on 02 May 2015 - 04:11, said:

If Hamilton really said this, he is completely diluted.

 

Maybe he should concentrate more.

[Lemans]

Talisker, on 02 May 2015 - 04:20, said:

Maybe he should concentrate more.

 

[DevilsCry]

So funny to see haters rant about Vettel in every thread. "Multi21" is among "worst F1 driver antics" ever?! It is so similar to Android fanboys bringing iPhone into every thread they can find.

[Briz]

Pffft Turkey 2010 was the only one where Vettel's action and reaction really looked bad to me. Webber was a sore and bitchy loser most of the time but the fans somehow took for granted that he is the manly pillar of justice against the cheating German and always sided with him. At least his humor is top notch and some of the things he said and did through those years were truly entertaining, like the casual remark about "Michael" who parked his car on the track during Silverstone 2013.

[SonJR]

GoldenColt, on 01 May 2015 - 07:02, said:

One of the most disgraceful moves ever.

 

No disrespect to Senna, but his explanation, although eloquent, being misquoted as what it is to be a 'true racing driver' is just as awful. It's a great quote, but people tend to forget those words were a mere justification of purposely running another competitor of the road.

[Rasputin]

[YoungGun]

"He (Button) brings to the sport what the boy bands bring to music. He is young and cute which is not bad, I guess, for the girls." - Jacques Villenueve

Edited by YoungGun, 02 May 2015 - 11:28.

[Kristian]

http://wtf1.co.uk/i-...panese-rampage/

 

It was just so un-Michael!

[1Devil1]

Kristian, on 02 May 2015 - 12:11, said:

http://wtf1.co.uk/i-...panese-rampage/

 

It was just so un-Michael!

 

Are you sure, Schumacher was know for his party attitude after a won championship if you look back there were a lot of those stories. Did he even party with Mika after his championship? 

[kosmos]

[Riverside]

Norm, on 02 May 2015 - 04:11, said:

If Hamilton really said this, he is completely diluted.

 

 It was a video on the Johnny Walker site,  a Mclaren preview for the 2010 season.

[YoungGun]

[taran]

sennafan24, on 01 May 2015 - 14:00, said:

Not really.

 

I have never condoned Japan 1990, or some of his other antics. I also didn't claim that other drivers wildly liked him. I just took issue with your absolute and inaccurate way of describing things. Which I notice you have not even tried to defend. (I.E "none of the other drivers liked Senna")

 

Seriously?

 

When all you can come up with is that you THINK Alesi might not have disliked him. Or Barichello, who considered him a mentor and didn't race him sufficiently at the front to find out what an utter dick Senna was if you dared to race him?

 

There are quite a lot of quotes from drivers about how much they disliked Senna or his driving, going all the way back to Rosberg wondering about the standards of F3 drivers these days.....Don't take my word, just google a bit. Might be enlightening to find out what drivers really thought about him.

 

[sennafan24]

taran, on 02 May 2015 - 14:02, said:

Seriously?

 

When all you can come up with is that you THINK Alesi might not have disliked him. Or Barichello, who considered him a mentor and didn't race him sufficiently at the front to find out what an utter dick Senna was if you dared to race him?

 

There are quite a lot of quotes from drivers about how much they disliked Senna or his driving, going all the way back to Rosberg wondering about the standards of F3 drivers these days.....Don't take my word, just google a bit. Might be enlightening to find out what drivers really thought about him.

Seriously? Yes. It might be "enlightening" for yourself to stop missing my point, and changing the argument!. Again you are arguing against thin air. As I never argued against your claim that a lot of drivers disliked Senna. I accept that.

 

I get you are not the sharpest knife in the draw, but bloody hell, just because my username is "sennafan", it does not mean I think he was beloved by all, and did no wrong. Things are not that black and white. 

 

Your initial point was to blankly state that "no drivers liked Senna", without specifying any context. I corrected you, by stating that Rubens liked him, as he considered him a "friend". You changed the argument by adding he never raced against him. Which was not part of my argument.

 

In short, you made an inaccurate statement, I corrected you. Then you got defensive, brought up my username, assumed I blankly worship Senna and changed the argument.

 

Just accept you were wrong and move on

[Nemo1965]

sennafan24, on 02 May 2015 - 14:24, said:

Seriously? Yes. It might be "enlightening" for yourself to stop missing my point, and changing the argument!. Again you are arguing against thin air. As I never argued against your claim that a lot of drivers disliked Senna. I accept that.

 

I get you are not the sharpest knife in the draw, but bloody hell, just because my username is "sennafan", it does not mean I think he was beloved by all, and did no wrong. Things are not that black and white. 

 

Your initial point was to blankly state that "no drivers liked Senna", without specifying any context. I corrected you, by stating that Rubens liked him, as he considered him a "friend". You changed the argument by adding he never raced against him. Which was not part of my argument.

 

In short, you made an inaccurate statement, I corrected you. Then you got defensive, brought up my username, assumed I blankly worship Senna and changed the argument.

 

Just accept you were wrong and move on

 

I can testify that Sennafan is a fan of Senna and of Hamilton but not a fanboy... one of those internetfriends that don't put you on ignore when you disagree with him.

Edited by Nemo1965, 02 May 2015 - 14:45.

[Zava]

vista, on 01 May 2015 - 22:08, said:

May I ask what he did that made him a hypocrite? I can't for the life of me imagine what Webber did making his antics worse than those of Horner, Vettel, and Marko from that period... 

here you go, 2009 turkey, Vettel ordered to stay behind Webber:

 

Q. Mark, similarly how were the tyres at the end as you were being gained on by Sebastian?

MW: We knew that there was no point of us two smashing into each other with five laps to go, so we just brought the cars home really. Jenson was down the road, so it was a stalemate.

 

2011 silverstone, Webber ordered to stay behind Vettel:

 

Q. (Adam Hay-Nicholls – Metro) Mark, Christian Horner has said that you should be fine with the team orders at the end and if you and Seb had raced until the end you would both have ended up in the fence. Do you agree with that? Was it the right call? Does this mean realistically that you are out of this championship?

MW: I am not fine with it. No. That's the answer to that. If Fernando retires on the last lap we are battling for the victory so I was fine until the end. Of course I ignored the team as I want to try and get another place. Seb was doing his best and I was doing my best. I don't want to crash with anyone, but that was it.

 

 

(extra joke, compare the parts in italics )

 

and add his post race show in malaysia '13, and compare it with his words from silverstone '11, and after that say these words: "Webber was an innocent victim in malaysia '13" with a straight face. I'll buy you a beer if you succeed! 

[Baddoer]

Nemo1965, on 01 May 2015 - 19:46, said:

Bruno Giacomelli surpassed them, I think, by making a schematic drawing of a Kalasjnikov-machinegun and then make a series of accturate drawings of the disassembled parts of the gun...

Funny, just for the record, Kalashnikov is not a machinegun, it's an assault rifle.

[Peter Perfect]

I've had a flick through the thread but surprisingly didn't see any mention of Hamilton+twitter. Have we all forgotten so quickly?!

 

Plus not forgetting..

Lewis Hamilton jumps the gun over Jenson Button's Twitter disrespect

[Rasputin]

Alain Prost on Rene Arnoux; "Rene's helmet is purely cosmetic."

[Nemo1965]

Nemo1965, on 02 May 2015 - 14:39, said:

I can testify that Sennafan is a fan of Senna and of Hamilton but not a fanboy... one of those internetfriends that don't put you on ignore when you disagree with him.

 

So he won't mind if I say: 'It is the sharpest tool in the shed.' Not the sharpest knife in the draw(er).

[Nemo1965]

Baddoer, on 02 May 2015 - 14:55, said:

Funny, just for the record, Kalashnikov is not a machinegun, it's an assault rifle.

 

Please explain? Pleeeease?

[MastaKink]

Nemo1965, on 02 May 2015 - 15:08, said:

So he won't mind if I say: 'It is the sharpest tool in the shed.' Not the sharpest knife in the draw(er).

 

In the UK you use both sayings.  Sharpest knife in the drawer is probably more common these days to be honest.  And you also hear a lot of people say sharpest tool in the box, like tool box, but I think that's more of a common mistake rather than an actual saying.

[brr]

Baddoer, on 02 May 2015 - 14:55, said:

Funny, just for the record, Kalashnikov is not a machinegun, it's an assault rifle.

 

Kalashnikov did design machine guns as well.

[Nemo1965]

brr, on 02 May 2015 - 15:22, said:

Kalashnikov did design machine guns as well.

 

I mean the AK-47. Naturally.

[Riverside]

Peter Perfect, on 02 May 2015 - 14:58, said:

 

I've had a flick through the thread but surprisingly didn't see any mention of Hamilton+twitter. Have we all forgotten so quickly?!

 

Plus not forgetting..

Lewis Hamilton jumps the gun over Jenson Button's Twitter disrespect

 

 

 

Oh , but for some this was warranted behavior because Jenson/Whitmarsh/ the Entire Mclaren team was against him.   It actually goes hand in hand with

the whole Mercedes "data myth" perpetuated by Lewis's droppings in Malaysia last year with the "dossier"  given to Nico to beat him in Bahrain.    

[sennafan24]

Nemo1965, on 02 May 2015 - 15:08, said:

So he won't mind if I say: 'It is the sharpest tool in the shed.' Not the sharpest knife in the draw(er).

Brush up on your lingo! 

 

Nemo1965, on 02 May 2015 - 14:39, said:

I can testify that Sennafan is a fan of Senna and of Hamilton but not a fanboy... one of those internetfriends that don't put you on ignore when you disagree with him.

Thanks.I don't put anyone on ignore. Spoils the fun.

 

Seriously though, if I were to defend some of Senna's deviant antics, it would belittle his legacy rather than add to it. Plus, I would come across as a right dope if I tried to justify Japan 1990. Fair enough, I am a dope, but I don't like coming across that way 

[maverick69]

A lot of venting going on in here. Kinda exposes agendas quite well......... (not that we didn't know). Anyways....... for quasi-neutrality.....

 

Hamilton: Allowing himself to be wired up and ponce about the air like Peter Pan in a racing suit. WTF was he thinking? Also: "Iz it coz I iz Black?". **** joke gone bad mate.... JB's not my mate on Twitter   How does my telemetry look everybody?

 

Fred: My team don't want me to win. Gimme No.1 status or I'll dob you in...... even though I'm doing the dirty deed as well. I had no idea that Jr was gonna stick it in the fence -  I have nothing to do with strategy.

 

Vettel: Sniff my finger. Multi 21 is for losers. Lets take out my teammate at the end of a 200mph straight. "Charlie! Charlie! Someone get on the bloody phone to Charlie!...... I never sold my bum to Bernie for this!"

[redreni]

Jimisgod, on 30 Apr 2015 - 11:33, said:

 

 

• Very weak by James Hunt.

 

 

In the general scheme of bad things that happened in the 70s, this doesn't even register.

[Nemo1965]

Rasputin, on 02 May 2015 - 14:58, said:

Alain Prost on Rene Arnoux; "Rene's helmet is purely cosmetic."

 

In 1983 Prost said even more things about Rene Arnoux. 'It would be a shame if Arnoux would be the first French worldchampion. He does not amount to much.'

[Newbrray]

Nemo1965, on 02 May 2015 - 14:39, said:

I can testify that Sennafan is a fan of Senna and of Hamilton but not a fanboy... one of those internetfriends that don't put you on ignore when you disagree with him.

 

 

I second this notion on Sennafan and he is one of the more objective posters on these thread regardless of who he favours, certainly not a disciple or blind worship sort of person

 

although he is a hipster

Edited by Newbrray, 02 May 2015 - 18:22.

[Rasputin]

There is this legend, probaby not true at all, that Ron Dennis once visited Niki Lauda's home in 1984 and saw a dart-board on the wall.

 

With a closer look at it, he discovered there was a small picture of Alain Prost in Bull's Eye.

[Riverside]

Newbrray, on 02 May 2015 - 18:22, said:

 

 

although he is a hipster

  

     I think he sings for Alt-J ... 

[sennafan24]

Riverside, on 02 May 2015 - 23:21, said:

     I think he sings for Alt-J ... 

Considering I don't even know who they are, really puts things into perspective.

 

Something you want to reveal to us Riverside? 

Edited by sennafan24, 03 May 2015 - 00:35.

[JtP2]

Re Piquet vs Salazar. The thing that is hard to remember in the red mist of the moment is that you don't leap out and rush acroos to the moron who has just taken you off. You calmly unbuckle the belts, climb from the car and walk slowly over to them. By then they will have taken their helmet off and you can punch them properly.

[REDalert]

Peter Perfect, on 02 May 2015 - 14:58, said:

 

I've had a flick through the thread but surprisingly didn't see any mention of Hamilton+twitter. Have we all forgotten so quickly?!

 

Plus not forgetting..

Lewis Hamilton jumps the gun over Jenson Button's Twitter disrespect

 

Pure class from the champ     

[Rasputin]

Not F1 really, but this is just too good not to post;

 

Edited by Rasputin, 03 May 2015 - 06:06.