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[Ferrari2183]

RedBaron, on 13 May 2015 - 06:15, said:

I disagree  It is about what matters to Alonso. It's absolutely binary. He was at Ferrari, he is now at McLaren. No other teams matter in this scenario. Does Alonso regret moving from Ferrari to McLaren.

 

Neither team are in a WDC winning position this season, their current differing pace is irrelevant. Alonso made it clear he didn't want to finish second any more. He wants to be in a position to win the WDC nothing else is acceptable.

 

Win not lose. Binary. 

But we're led to believe by you guys that what matters to Alonso is the championship. 

 

"Neither team are in a WDC winning position this season." What is this Kosmos? Ferrari are in with a remote chance and the next few races will be critical in that regard... McLaren has a significantly less chance. Nothing is absolute, not even Mercedes winning at a canter is.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 13 May 2015 - 06:50.

[aramos]

Ferrari2183, on 13 May 2015 - 06:38, said:

Fair enough, but I'm not the one claiming Alonso would have been significantly faster.

 

Depends what you mean by significantly. I would say he was significantly faster than Massa every year. Sure the margins did change depending on the car, but the outcome was consistent. Thats more or less what I would expect of the Alonso/Raikkonen pairing too. 

[aramos]

Ferrari2183, on 13 May 2015 - 06:48, said:

But we're led to believe by you guys that what matters to Alonso is the championship. 

 

"Neither team are in a WDC winning position this season." What is this Kosmos? Ferrari are in with a remote chance and the next few races will be critical in that regard... McLaren has no chance. Nothing is absolute, not even Mercedes winning at a canter is.

 

I don't think anyone debates Ferrari is in a better position this year. But their position is still incredibly marginal at best.

 

Only long term will it be obvious which team is the better option. Stop trying to extrapolate results years into the future based on 5 races.

[RedBaron]

Ferrari2183, on 13 May 2015 - 06:48, said:

But we're led to believe by you guys that what matters to Alonso is the championship. 

 
Alonso has said he no longer wants to finish second many many times. 'We' are not leading anyone to believe anything, he said it himself.

 

Ferrari2183, on 13 May 2015 - 06:48, said:

"Neither team are in a WDC winning position this season." What is this Kosmos? Ferrari are in with a remote chance and the next few races will be critical in that regard... McLaren has no chance. Nothing is absolute, not even Mercedes winning at a canter is.

 

Mercedes are leaps and bounds ahead of Ferrari and the rest.

 

Based on what we've seen McLaren have no chance at winning this years WDC, correct. Ferrari have a remote chance as you said, but it's unlikely. I also said, if Ferrari did turn out to be champions then of course in that scenario Alonso would surely be gutted.

 

You can't argue that Ferrari might pull it out the bag and not make the same argument for McLaren.

 

Looking at the results we've seen Ferrari have gone backwards (gap to leader per race). Also it wouldn't surprise me if they got into a development muddle. Raikkonen already said he sacrificed his race as a test session to compare vs Vettel's new parts.

 

A team sacrificing race results to do a side by aside test on new parts is not a team on top of their development or a team with a serious challenge for the WDC. It's a familiar story we've heard year after year at Ferrari, the updates aren't giving the results they expected.

Edited by RedBaron, 13 May 2015 - 07:02.

[kosmos]

Ferrari2183, on 13 May 2015 - 06:48, said:

 

 

"Neither team are in a WDC winning position this season." What is this Kosmos?

 

 

That quote is not from me, but you can answer my question about the McLaren lies if you want.

[Ferrari2183]

aramos, on 13 May 2015 - 06:48, said:

Depends what you mean by significantly. I would say he was significantly faster than Massa every year. Sure the margins did change depending on the car, but the outcome was consistent. Thats more or less what I would expect of the Alonso/Raikkonen pairing too. 

But this is linear type of thinking too because, firstly, Raikkonen is not Massa and, secondly, I can easily say that Vettel's results are consistent based on his performances in the preceding years and that he would match Alonso in this car. Prove me wrong...

[Ferrari2183]

aramos, on 13 May 2015 - 06:51, said:

I don't think anyone debates Ferrari is in a better position this year. But their position is still incredibly marginal at best.

 

Only long term will it be obvious which team is the better option. Stop trying to extrapolate results years into the future based on 5 races.

But that is exactly what you guys are doing based on Alonso's 5 years at Ferrari...

[aramos]

Ferrari2183, on 13 May 2015 - 07:09, said:

But this is linear type of thinking too because, firstly, Raikkonen is not Massa and, secondly, I can easily say that Vettel's results are consistent based on his performances in the preceding years and that he would match Alonso in this car. Prove me wrong...

 

 

 

I don't really see how you can 'prove anything', in one breath you said you rate Alonso as the strongest driver in the sport, yet in another you're trying to argue he would be barely ahead of a Raikkonen type driver. Raikkonen has been consistently average for a long period of time, for Alonso to be the best he needs to be ahead of Kimi (and Vettel). Which he was.

Edited by aramos, 13 May 2015 - 07:20.

[RedBaron]

Ferrari2183, on 13 May 2015 - 07:11, said:

But that is exactly what you guys are doing based on Alonso's 5 years at Ferrari...

 

5 years of data is a better pool for extrapolating than 5 races. If one wished to extrapolate 

[extremeday]

I wasn´t missing the weekly Alonso bashing-defending thread, but here it is. There must be a powerful reason why this man words or some other people words about him deserve a thread week in, week out. 

 

Massa, on 12 May 2015 - 12:41, said:

i don't understand why he is always talking about Ferrari ? Each race he try to diminush Ferrari improvement. If he is sure of his choice, why this behaviour ?

 

 

 

Then you should tell the journalists to stop asking him about Ferrari, especially the Italian journalists, who seem to be really interested in Alonso character and feelings. In addition you should ask some people surrounding Ferrari to stop talking about him. Then please tell the journalists to stop talking about his relationship with his current team. Some Italian journalist already informed that the relationship is totally broken.

 

Alonso doesn´t have to think what some people want him to think, the man is totally right to have his own opinion and express it when he is asked.  Does anybody think that Alonso is disrespectful towards Ferrari because he answers a question and speaks his mind? I think that the press in general and particularly the Italian press are quite disrespectful towards McLaren and Honda. It seems they are terribly interested in Alonso to say that he regrets his decision, his current car is **** and is terribly unhappy in his current team.

 

I read this words in the Alonso vs Button thread:

 

-"It will be unfair to be sad or to be unhappy. I'm a F1 driver, I have 2 championships, I'm the driver with more points in the history of the sport, I have the best family in the world, a fantstic partner (girlfriend) and a fantastic team."

-"I don't have the luxury of being sad when there is so many people having a rough time in life."

-"We must have patience with McLaren".

-"is a time of transition".

-"To have one more or less trophy in my display cabinet is a matter of ego or material things, right now I don't need that".

 

He doesn´t seem to be bitter at all. Alonso had been the second best several times in Ferrari and that wasn´t enough for him, why is it so hard to understand that being second this season wouldn´t be enough either? I have no idea why these words deserve a thread, nothing new. 

Edited by extremeday, 13 May 2015 - 07:20.

[Massa]

kosmos, on 12 May 2015 - 14:18, said:

Sorry my mistake, Ferrari is in front of Mercedes.

 

The gap is not the same.
 

[Cyanide]

This attitude of "it doesn't matter because Ferrari are still second" Alonso has is a very weak facade. 

 

He's doing the same thing at McLaren as he was doing at Ferrari: waiting for his car to get better and eventually challenge for the title. The main difference is now he's waiting for it while suffering in the bottom half of the field without points and at Ferrari he would still be waiting for it, but at least he'd be fighting for podiums and wins. You're kidding no one when you say this difference doesn't matter. 

[aramos]

Cyanide, on 13 May 2015 - 07:23, said:

This attitude of "it doesn't matter because Ferrari are still second" Alonso has is a very weak facade. 

 

He's doing the same thing at McLaren as he was doing at Ferrari: waiting for his car to get better and eventually challenge for the title. The main difference is now he's waiting for it while suffering in the bottom half of the field without points and at Ferrari he would still be waiting for it, but at least he'd be fighting for podiums and wins. You're kidding no one when you say this difference doesn't matter. 

 

He tried to get a seat at Mercedes and couldn't. There is very little he can do. No team can challenge Mercedes right now so he went with the one he thought had the best long term potential. The driver can only drive the car. He's not exactly going to be in at McLaren designing front wing elements.

Edited by aramos, 13 May 2015 - 07:28.

[kosmos]

Massa, on 13 May 2015 - 07:20, said:

The gap is not the same.

The gap is the same if you analize it in a binary way, you win or you don't.

[Ferrari2183]

RedBaron, on 13 May 2015 - 06:53, said:

 
Alonso has said he no longer wants to finish second many many times. 'We' are not leading anyone to believe anything, he said it himself.

 

 

Mercedes are leaps and bounds ahead of Ferrari and the rest.

 

Based on what we've seen McLaren have no chance at winning this years WDC, correct. Ferrari have a remote chance as you said, but it's unlikely. I also said, if Ferrari did turn out to be champions then of course in that scenario Alonso would surely be gutted.

 

You can't argue that Ferrari might pull it out the bag and not make the same argument for McLaren.

 

Looking at the results we've seen Ferrari have gone backwards (gap to leader per race). Also it wouldn't surprise me if they got into a development muddle. Raikkonen already said he sacrificed his race as a test session to compare vs Vettel's new parts.

 

A team sacrificing race results to do a side by aside test on new parts is not a team on top of their development or a team with a serious challenge for the WDC. It's a familiar story we've heard year after year at Ferrari, the updates aren't giving the results they expected.

Gaps to leader fluctuate during the course of the season.

 

Here are the gaps in qualifying

 

Ferrari

Aus - 1.4

Mal - Wet

Chi - 1.1

Bah - 0.4

Spa - 0.8

 

McLaren

Aus - 5.1

Mal - Wet

Chi - 3.5

Bah - 2.5

Spa - 3.1

 

As you can see the gaps fluctuate and Mercedes were further ahead of everybody in Spain not just Ferrari. Are we going to say that everybody's updates failed to deliver as expected?

 

As for Raikkonen... I'm sorry, he was completely lost all weekend whether on the new or old package. I suspect that Spain was all about Mercedes really hooking it up and hence I said the next few races will be critical.

[krea]

kosmos, on 13 May 2015 - 07:29, said:

The gap is the same if you analize it in a binary way, you win or you don't.

But for some reason not winning in one of the worst cars in the field is less bad that fighting for podiums.

[Massa]

kosmos, on 13 May 2015 - 07:29, said:

The gap is the same if you analize it in a binary way, you win or you don't.

 

 

Fernando was talking about 2014. He said last year he was finishing one minute behind Mercedes and this year Ferrari finished 40 seconds at Barcelona so nothing have changed.

 

So he is implying nothing have changed between 2014 and 2015 at Ferrari. We all know it's false isn't it ?

[Seanspeed]

Fatgadget, on 12 May 2015 - 14:04, said:

Well, lets recap, the whole season last year Ferrari managed 2 podiums the best being 2nd place.This year 5 races in,podium every race - best being 1st. So nothing has really changed eh!

Yup. I don't hate Alonso, but he clearly just talks out of his ass sometimes. Sounds like he's trying to justify something to himself more than anything.

I do think it's about time for journalists to leave him alone on the subject of Ferrari, though. No need to rub things in.

Cyanide, on 13 May 2015 - 07:23, said:

This attitude of "it doesn't matter because Ferrari are still second" Alonso has is a very weak facade.

He's doing the same thing at McLaren as he was doing at Ferrari: waiting for his car to get better and eventually challenge for the title. The main difference is now he's waiting for it while suffering in the bottom half of the field without points and at Ferrari he would still be waiting for it, but at least he'd be fighting for podiums and wins. You're kidding no one when you say this difference doesn't matter.

Well said.

Edited by Seanspeed, 13 May 2015 - 07:37.

[RedBaron]

Ferrari2183, on 13 May 2015 - 07:33, said:

As you can see the gaps fluctuate and Mercedes were further ahead of everybody in Spain not just Ferrari. Are we going to say that everybody's updates failed to deliver as expected?

 

As for Raikkonen... I'm sorry, he was completely lost all weekend whether on the new or old package. I suspect that Spain was all about Mercedes really hooking it up and hence I said the next few races will be critical.

 

 

Regardless of Raikkonen being fast or not that weekend the fact remains Ferrari ran 2 cars with different parts to run a comparison test during a race. Sounds worrying. Sounds like a lesser degree of what McLaren are doing and they're in no fit state right now!

[extremeday]

I can see that it isn't about what Alonso think, it is about what people think Alonso must think.

I think this way and Alonso must think the same way.

I guess that everybody agrees that being the second best is not enough. Well, maybe some Ferrari fans don't agree although facts say so. What about the challenge? He is interested in the McLaren challenge, he said so. Was he interested in the Ferrari challenge?

[Gilles4Ever]

Cyanide, on 13 May 2015 - 07:23, said:

This attitude of "it doesn't matter because Ferrari are still second" Alonso has is a very weak facade. 

 

He's doing the same thing at McLaren as he was doing at Ferrari: waiting for his car to get better and eventually challenge for the title. The main difference is now he's waiting for it while suffering in the bottom half of the field without points and at Ferrari he would still be waiting for it, but at least he'd be fighting for podiums and wins. You're kidding no one when you say this difference doesn't matter. 

Everything points to him only being interested in winning the WDC, finishing second with Ferrari, been there done that, winning races, been there done that, it's not what made him go to McLaren/Honda. He believes he will win a WDC with McLaren/Honda sooner than if he had stayed at Ferrari, hence the change.

[Seanspeed]

RedBaron, on 13 May 2015 - 07:40, said:

Regardless of Raikkonen being fast or not that weekend the fact remains Ferrari ran 2 cars with different parts to run a comparison test during a race.

There was more to it than that and if you were paying attention at all(which it sounds like you were), you'd know that.

'Sounds worrying'. lol

This is classic concern trolling.

Edited by Seanspeed, 13 May 2015 - 07:50.

[RedBaron]

Seanspeed, on 13 May 2015 - 07:49, said:

There was more to it than that and if you were paying attention at all(which it sounds like you were), you'd know that.

'Sounds worrying'. lol

This is classic concern trolling.

 

 

I was being sarcastic yes. I dabbled in a little trolling and I liked it.

[Ferrari2183]

RedBaron, on 13 May 2015 - 07:40, said:

Regardless of Raikkonen being fast or not that weekend the fact remains Ferrari ran 2 cars with different parts to run a comparison test during a race. Sounds worrying. Sounds like a lesser degree of what McLaren are doing and they're in no fit state right now!

I don't know why you're worried because the team are not. I could see from Friday running in the 1st and 2nd sectors that it was good step forward.

 

Do you really think the team or Vettel would have ventured out in car he was unsure of when he believes he is a championship contender. I'm also not paying too much attention to Raikkonen and the team, primarily, claiming he ran the old package for comparisons sake. They did it to make him comfortable after his Friday troubles and the comparison was just a useful consequence, but that's just me... You're welcome to your own opinion though.

[PassWind]

Every race that has been won in the 14-15 season by a non Mercedes car arose because Mercedes lost it, not that other teams beat them. Thats how ridiculously far ahead Mercedes are in front of the field. 

 

Last year it was Redbull and Williams occasionally pushing to the front, this year its Ferrari alone, in relevance to the rest of the field Ferrari have made a great improvement, in relation to Mercedes they are no closer to them than Redbull and Williams in 2014. 

[Diablobb81]

Poor Alonso. Robbed of the chance to throw away more WDC's at Ferrari.

[MikeMM]

Maybe from 2010 to 2015 nothing have changed at Ferrari.

 

But Mclaren transformed from race winning team to one of the worst teams on the grid.

Edited by MikeMM, 13 May 2015 - 08:39.

[MikeMM]

extremeday, on 13 May 2015 - 07:44, said:

I can see that it isn't about what Alonso think, it is about what people think Alonso must think.

I think this way and Alonso must think the same way.

I guess that everybody agrees that being the second best is not enough. Well, maybe some Ferrari fans don't agree although facts say so. What about the challenge? He is interested in the McLaren challenge, he said so. Was he interested in the Ferrari challenge?

 

Mclaren have very very long road ahead to become at least the second best.

[RubalSher]

Arry2k, on 12 May 2015 - 20:44, said:

So the McLaren-Honda is a big pile of rubbish and is worse than the Ferrari - no one is disputing this. So what?

 

The bottom line, like it or not, is this whether you finish 2nd, 3rd or 20th in the WDC. Its all the same. None of those are wins. None of those are WDC's.

 

So he is gonna score a WDC in the coming years starting with a big pile of rubbish as opposed to a car that is already knocking at the gates.

[as65p]

krea, on 13 May 2015 - 07:34, said:

But for some reason not winning in one of the worst cars in the field is less bad that fighting for podiums.

 

Thats very arguable. It heavily depends on the driver in question. For a newcomer, sure going from bottom half to podium contender is the next step, a big thing. But for a seasoned champion, another, say, two wins and five podiums, well it's not nothing but probably something that champion is prepared to risk for the chance of something ultimately better.

[RubalSher]

aramos, on 13 May 2015 - 07:28, said:

He tried to get a seat at Mercedes and couldn't. There is very little he can do. No team can challenge Mercedes right now so he went with the one he thought had the best long term potential. The driver can only drive the car. He's not exactly going to be in at McLaren designing front wing elements.

 

But he had a seat at Ferrari and he chose to throw it away. Genius!

[Ferrari2183]

PassWind, on 13 May 2015 - 07:59, said:

Every race that has been won in the 14-15 season by a non Mercedes car arose because Mercedes lost it, not that other teams beat them. Thats how ridiculously far ahead Mercedes are in front of the field. 

 

Last year it was Redbull and Williams occasionally pushing to the front, this year its Ferrari alone, in relevance to the rest of the field Ferrari have made a great improvement, in relation to Mercedes they are no closer to them than Redbull and Williams in 2014. 

How so? Ferrari won in Malaysia on merit... Right from the lights going out it was evident that Vettel had the pace to at the bare minimum stick with the Mercedes. In Bahrain, they were as you say so far ahead that they ran a comprised braking system in the hopes of staving off Ferrari and it nearly cost them.

 

Yes, there have been tracks where they've absolutely dominated but that was to be expected but diminishing Ferrari's performances in Malaysia and Bahrain sounds like sour grapes to me.

[as65p]

RubalSher, on 13 May 2015 - 08:09, said:

So he is gonna score a WDC in the coming years starting with a big pile of rubbish as opposed to a car that is already knocking at the gates.

 

I presume you believe to have made a point there?

 

Not really. Ferrari's knuckles are raw to the bone from knocking on those gates. OTOH, you got the latest of quite a few examples in Brawn 2009 just sneaking in through the backdoor and steal the title, coming from a pile of rubbish the season before.

[RubalSher]

as65p, on 13 May 2015 - 08:20, said:

I presume you believe to have made a point there?

 

Not really. Ferrari's knuckles are raw to the bone from knocking on those gates. OTOH, you got the latest of quite a few examples in Brawn 2009 just sneaking in through the backdoor and steal the title, coming from a pile of rubbish the season before.

 

McLaren are likely the last team on the grid prepared to emulate Brawn. It is wishful fantasy that they will spring a Brawn given that Honda was and will always be a year behind. Your entire argument makes no sense.

[MJ999]

Alonso came within striking distance to lift the crown for Ferrari on 2 occasions ... what was it a point or 2 in it?... Lets see how close Vettel or Kimi get this year? Only time will tell if things have improved or not.

[as65p]

RubalSher, on 13 May 2015 - 08:24, said:

McLaren are likely the last team on the grid prepared to emulate Brawn. It is wishful fantasy that they will spring a Brawn given that Honda was and will always be a year behind. Your entire argument makes no sense.

 

While that OTOH is a great argument?

 

Tell me then the value of being second to 4th best for almost a decade, how exactly will it help you to become 1st in the near future? Regarding the ultimate goal, 2015 is a write off for anyone but Mercedes. For the coming years, it's still all to play for, for everyone. Like in football, missing the goal by an inch or 20 metres doesn't matter, the chances of the next shot are exactly the same in both cases.

[MikeMM]

as65p, on 13 May 2015 - 08:20, said:

I presume you believe to have made a point there?

 

Not really. Ferrari's knuckles are raw to the bone from knocking on those gates. OTOH, you got the latest of quite a few examples in Brawn 2009 just sneaking in through the backdoor and steal the title, coming from a pile of rubbish the season before.

 

Do you realise that Brawn won title when they substituted Honda engine with Mercedes?

 

Mclaren is massively handicapped by Honda engine. I see no reason why all of the sudden Honda produce better engine than Mercedes in the next couple of years.

[BCM]

Massa, on 13 May 2015 - 07:20, said:

The gap is not the same.
 

 

They are still behind. 

 

behind bɪˈhʌɪnd/ - following or further back than.

 

Of course Mclaren is behind as well. Alonso has gambled that they will get in front before Ferrari do. Will they? Buggered if I know.

Edited by BCM, 13 May 2015 - 08:57.

[Ncedi]

What I find amazing is there are people who support Kimi "If it's second it doesn't matter" Raikkonen and celebrate that attitude but want to lynch Alonso for using the exact same logic. We all know Mercedes are so far ahead of everyone that while others might win here and there, there is slim to no chance of anyone else winning either WC.

 

Alonso has taken a risk at McLaren, if he had stayed at Ferrari it would have been the same as previous years. Perhaps winning races, but not winning the WC. That's all he is interested in and has gone "all in" to try achieve it with McLaren.

 

 

[Ncedi]

MikeMM, on 13 May 2015 - 08:47, said:

Do you realise that Brawn won title when they substituted Honda engine with Mercedes?

 

Mclaren is massively handicapped by Honda engine. I see no reason why all of the sudden Honda produce better engine than Mercedes in the next couple of years.

 

They won because that was pretty much the most expensive car ever developed (apparently around a billion pounds or something rididculous). You have no basis to say it would not have won with the Honda engine.

[Brackets]

Arry2k, on 12 May 2015 - 20:44, said:

The bottom line, like it or not, is this whether you finish 2nd, 3rd or 20th in the WDC. Its all the same.

It is the same right up to the point where you start to try selling hats.

[RubalSher]

as65p, on 13 May 2015 - 08:32, said:

While that OTOH is a great argument?

 

Tell me then the value of being second to 4th best for almost a decade, how exactly will it help you to become 1st in the near future? Regarding the ultimate goal, 2015 is a write off for anyone but Mercedes. For the coming years, it's still all to play for, for everyone. Like in football, missing the goal by an inch or 20 metres doesn't matter, the chances of the next shot are exactly the same in both cases.

 

Yeah but would you rather be playing at Man City or QPR or in your case Real Madrid or Cordoba!

[Analyst]

No matter what the provocation, there was no need for Alonso to 'count the Mercedes gap', 'discount the win' or issue similar belittling statements after every race. He could have chosen to be gracious, or silent but has chosen not to. He may be a genius driver, but you would be hard pressed to find a more capricious driver in the paddock. 

 

Is that a bad thing ?. Maybe, maybe not. It could reflect the kind of person he is or it could be the run-off of his competitive spirit. We will never know. In any case, he is a saint in comparison to many sporting greats such as Mohammed Ali, Michael Jordan, Floyd Mayweather, all of whom I admire immensely. 

 

Did he make the right decision ?. I suppose we will not know till he retires and therefore shouldn't we move on.... 

[hankalis]

too many people trying to win a useless rhetorical contest

things are rarely black or white:

did Alonso make a mistake switching (in 2015) from Ferrari to McLaren? with (current) hindsight the answer is yes. Driving for Ferrari at the moment is more interesting, even for Alonso, than driving for McLaren. Being on a podium gives visibility, keeps you under the spolight ..; which is important even for a star driver like Alonso.

 

Now in all faireness, few months back, not many people expected Ferrari neither McLaren to be where they are at moment, so probably many other people would have made the same choice as Alonso if they where in his position last summer.

 

I am a big fan of Alonso as a driver but I don't like his tendency to bend logic just to not admit he may not have made the best choice this time around

[kosmos]

Massa, on 13 May 2015 - 07:35, said:

Fernando was talking about 2014. He said last year he was finishing one minute behind Mercedes and this year Ferrari finished 40 seconds at Barcelona so nothing have changed.

 

So he is implying nothing have changed between 2014 and 2015 at Ferrari. We all know it's false isn't it ?

 

 

The underlying theme is winning the title or not, you focus too much in the seconds and that is not really the point of his comments. Do you seriously think he is not aware Ferrari improved this year?..

[Jon83]

Ferrari have gone forwards, McLaren have gone a long way backwards. 

 

Clearly things have changed at Ferrari and there is no reason to think that we cannot continue to improve over the course of this season and into the next one.

 

McLaren on the other hand....

[Nemo1965]

"Sometimes it takes nothing to change everything."

 

Nemo1965, Anthology of Nemo1965's aphorisms.

[aramos]

RubalSher, on 13 May 2015 - 08:19, said:

But he had a seat at Ferrari and he chose to throw it away. Genius!

 

So? Do you really think he'd be happy finishing 3rd regularly? Big deal.

[MikeMM]

aramos, on 13 May 2015 - 09:41, said:

So? Do you really think he'd be happy finishing 3rd regularly? Big deal.

And you think he is more happy at Mclaren where he has not score a point yet?

[Claudiu]

Nothing has changed with Alonso as well, he still talks too much and tried to create a personality cult around him ... you do the talk, but can you do the walk Fernando ? He is a very good driver but he is beginning to go past his prime, his star will slowly start to vanish and if he continues with this line of arguments he will soon start to become ridiculous and a subject of laughter.

 

He should mind his own business now, he made his choice and he should focus on winning with McLaren now.