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#51 Henri Greuter

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 14:32

chunder27, on 25 Jun 2015 - 13:51, said:

I have to say any kind of nitro-methanol powered machine is simply staggeringly loud.

 

I have seen altereds, TF bikes and TF cars and nothing really prepares you for it.

 

I urge anyone who has never seen one in person to do so, it will simply blow your mind how anything that powerful and visceral can be driven by a man. Don't be a snob abut drag racing, teh tech in these cars at most levels is far more interesting than you think, and the pits are far more friendly, drivers approachable, it really is a great family sport that is far under-rated.

 

You can't just hold your hands over your ears, you have to push your fingers in so loud are they. The ground shakes like a mini earthquake. And I was lucky enough to watch a fueller from behind a run when the shed was still behind the line at Santa Pod, and let me tell you these guys work hard for their corn, dont underestimate their talent either.

 

The preparation, the startup procedure, the burnout. Honestly, other than a shuttle launch or being at a LSR event I can't think of anything more exciting. I wouldn't want to do it every week as it would get samey, but my word what an experience.

 

With all respect to the engineers behind those things to make the engines as powerful as they are, but I'll pass, thank you.

 

Those three Panoz'es at Le Mans and some other US bigblock experiences I do have were enough in my life time.

Besides that, What I enjoy most of al in racing engines is hear them climbing and going down through the rev range during cornering and accelleration etc. That's what I liked in most of the clips posted here of partical;rly the older cars that could use most of their engine's rpm range.

 Drag racing doesn't provide me anything of that in sufficient amounts, let alone periods of time to enjoy it.

But even if it was, it would be way and way too loud for me. There are other things in life to enjoy for which I need my hearing to get the maximum pleasure of it.

 

Respect for the engineering to get soooooo much hp. but other then tat, it isn't my thing and will never be my thing.

 

 

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#52 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 14:34

only listened to F1 V10 and V8 sounded pretty oscillating! :stoned:



#53 Dan333SP

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 14:43

Henri Greuter, on 25 Jun 2015 - 14:32, said:

With all respect to the engineers behind those things to make the engines as powerful as they are, but I'll pass, thank you.

 

Those three Panoz'es at Le Mans and some other US bigblock experiences I do have were enough in my life time.

Besides that, What I enjoy most of al in racing engines is hear them climbing and going down through the rev range during cornering and accelleration etc. That's what I liked in most of the clips posted here of partical;rly the older cars that could use most of their engine's rpm range.

 Drag racing doesn't provide me anything of that in sufficient amounts, let alone periods of time to enjoy it.

But even if it was, it would be way and way too loud for me. There are other things in life to enjoy for which I need my hearing to get the maximum pleasure of it.

 

Respect for the engineering to get soooooo much hp. but other then tat, it isn't my thing and will never be my thing.

 

 

Henri

 

I enjoy the trip through the rev range that you get with road courses as well. This moment in this audio recording of a 1994 Ferrari F1 car captures why, just listen to the way the engine note changes as the car leaves the pits and climbs up higher in the revs each shift-

 

https://youtu.be/M1InrgZiv30?t=1m26s

 

https://youtu.be/M1InrgZiv30?t=3m13s

 

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Edited by Dan333SP, 25 June 2015 - 14:46.


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Posted 25 June 2015 - 14:50

Looking for all these videos/sound clips reminds me of something. Way back when, a book called "Into The Red" came out, about Nick Mason's car collection. Apparently the original print came with a CD of audio tracks that included some of Nick's cars, like a Mclaren F1 GTR, a Ferrari 512S, and a Porsche 935. I remember finding MP3s of that CD a loooong time ago, maybe 15 years ago when I hardly knew what an MP3 was, and I can no longer find any trace of them online. Anyone know where I can track those audio clips down? I remember they were fantastic. I think the Ferrari F1 clip from the youtube video above is maybe from that same CD, actually.



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 14:51

 

Pfft, that little kid with the ear defenders on... man up boy !


Edited by Andy35, 25 June 2015 - 14:53.


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Posted 25 June 2015 - 15:02

SteF1an, on 24 Jun 2015 - 11:18, said:

Ferrari V12  :love:

 

Did someone leave a window open? The hairs on my arms are all stood up.

 

I'll tell the story I always tell with the Ferrair V12 videos. I was stood on the start/finish straight at Silverstone in 1995 whilst Alesi attempted to close the gap to Herbert who was leading. The Benetton would go by and then you'd hear the sound of the Ferrari begin in the distance as it powered out of Luffield. It would get louder and louder until it was on the straight singing in front of you. And I described it as like a shark chasing a seal. Each lap the sound would start a little bit earlier than the last and you could hear with your own ears the gap getting smaller lap by lap. At least that's what I remember. It was glorious. 


Edited by pRy, 25 June 2015 - 15:10.


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Posted 25 June 2015 - 15:32

BMW-Williams V10 :love:

 

https://www.youtube....36kC2pwAc?t=17s
 
Lamborghini Murcielago R-SV :love:

https://www.youtube....6kxyKSDZ0?t=54s
 
Don't know which one this is, but binaural recording of an F1 in eau rouge :love:
https://www.youtube....zl1xizwe0&t=29s


Edited by taz, 25 June 2015 - 18:52.


#58 Dan333SP

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 15:43

pRy, on 25 Jun 2015 - 15:02, said:

Did someone leave a window open? The hairs on my arms are all stood up.

 

I'll tell the story I always tell with the Ferrair V12 videos. I was stood on the start/finish straight at Silverstone in 1995 whilst Alesi attempted to close the gap to Herbert who was leading. The Benetton would go by and then you'd hear the sound of the Ferrari begin in the distance as it powered out of Luffield. It would get louder and louder until it was on the straight singing in front of you. And I described it as like a shark chasing a seal. Each lap the sound would start a little bit earlier than the last and you could hear with your own ears the gap getting smaller lap by lap. At least that's what I remember. It was glorious. 

 

Great story. One thing about that era that I love, the variety. Ferrari and Lambo with their shrieking 12s, the less refined sound of Renault's V10, the various Ford V8 teams with its lower revs, the Judds, the various iterations of Honda engines, you could almost always tell which car was which with your eyes closed.



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 16:09

Dan333SP, on 25 Jun 2015 - 14:50, said:

Looking for all these videos/sound clips reminds me of something. Way back when, a book called "Into The Red" came out, about Nick Mason's car collection. Apparently the original print came with a CD of audio tracks that included some of Nick's cars, like a Mclaren F1 GTR, a Ferrari 512S, and a Porsche 935. I remember finding MP3s of that CD a loooong time ago, maybe 15 years ago when I hardly knew what an MP3 was, and I can no longer find any trace of them online. Anyone know where I can track those audio clips down? I remember they were fantastic. I think the Ferrari F1 clip from the youtube video above is maybe from that same CD, actually.

 

I've got the book with the CD. I have it somewhere in storage. I'll dig it out.


Edited by Lemans, 25 June 2015 - 16:10.


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#60 chunder27

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 17:00

All things to all men.

 

I can appreciate a drag race engine on full song just as much as sports car or anything else for that matter.

 

Or a motocross bike flat out, or a Superbike, or MotoGP bike, powerboat..

even have a penchant for things like high power trains or diesel truck motors.

 

Anything with true power.

 

And really to be honest, if you have never seen a Top Fuel dragster you really are in no position to criticise it to be honest. Having seen things like an SR71 in full burn, or a B1, I can only compare it to that.



#61 Lemans

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 17:55

Another ground pounder. Wonderfully sinister black McLaren M8F.

 



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 18:27

I always liked McLarens unique low 'burping' sound late 90's and early 2000, but imo, what a F1 car should sound like is the following ...

 

 

That screaming, the gearing up, the revs hitting its limit ... its just awesome, just awesome. 



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 20:33

pRy, on 25 Jun 2015 - 15:02, said:

Did someone leave a window open? The hairs on my arms are all stood up.

 

I'll tell the story I always tell with the Ferrair V12 videos. I was stood on the start/finish straight at Silverstone in 1995 whilst Alesi attempted to close the gap to Herbert who was leading. The Benetton would go by and then you'd hear the sound of the Ferrari begin in the distance as it powered out of Luffield. It would get louder and louder until it was on the straight singing in front of you. And I described it as like a shark chasing a seal. Each lap the sound would start a little bit earlier than the last and you could hear with your own ears the gap getting smaller lap by lap. At least that's what I remember. It was glorious. 

 

 

But... but.... sound is not importat for racing!!!  :rolleyes:

 

/runs to hide in a cave  :lol:



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 23:12

https://www.youtube....d8OX5HoD90#t=20



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 23:33

Andy35, on 25 Jun 2015 - 14:51, said:

 

Pfft, that little kid with the ear defenders on... man up boy !

Pah, I was expecting the water to vaporise and the bottle to melt!



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 00:24

Gintonious, on 25 Jun 2015 - 23:12, said:

 

I loved that Jordan, especially with Jean. So twitchy!



#67 Henri Greuter

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 06:07

chunder27, on 25 Jun 2015 - 17:00, said:

All things to all men.

 

I can appreciate a drag race engine on full song just as much as sports car or anything else for that matter.

 

Or a motocross bike flat out, or a Superbike, or MotoGP bike, powerboat..

even have a penchant for things like high power trains or diesel truck motors.

 

Anything with true power.

 

And really to be honest, if you have never seen a Top Fuel dragster you really are in no position to criticise it to be honest. Having seen things like an SR71 in full burn, or a B1, I can only compare it to that.

 

 

That's an unfair comparisment you drag in right now.

I really don't mind to see an SR71 in full burn but due to American Army politics the best I could do was at least see and admire three different ones of them stationary. (So I saw almost 10% of the number built.... and more than 10% of the surviving flog)

They don't fly these things for about 15 years anymore, remember?

And when they still flew, they did not exactly took off from airbases that appreciated the public to flog in and have a look at what the USAF brought into the air.....

 

Other then that, I don't agree with your comment that you are really in no position to critisise something if you have no personal experience with it. People sometimes do know what their limits of what they can deal with are or simply can't be appealled by something.

Some, in particular, American kinds of motor racing are not appealing to Europeans, like some European varieties don't appeal to Americans.

 

By the way

Seems to me that if you can compare dragsters with SR71 and B1's, you're a lucky fellow to have seen them in action.    :up:

 

 

Henri



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 06:13

Jovanotti, on 24 Jun 2015 - 10:24, said:

That Mazda is amazing, the Sauber C11 is pretty good and distinctive, too.

From F1, it's the '00/'01 single exhaust McLaren's hands down. Sounds like a bloody fighter plane.

 

Amen to that! Here's a video of the MP4/16 through Monaco. Mega.

 



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 11:26

My point Henri really was that if you have not experienced something then it is fairly difficult to say it does not float your boat. While the racing might not appeal to you at all, what we are talking about here is sound, not the whole package. And in some classes drag cars really do go up the gears, just in a different way. A Top Fuel car uses a clutch not a gearbox, and as you watch a run you can see and hear the clutch releasign as it goes, and then when the power comes in the tyres can spin up.

 

For me, the sounds I dislike are ones where everthing soudns the same, so a lot of the US oval racing scene leaves me cold sound wise, although the racing is often very good.

I was very lucky to see a couple of SR71 displays, they were based in teh UK in the 80's and a trip to Mildenhall was usuall accompanied by a display!

 

Regarding race cars, my go to classes are anything that can ahve unlimited power, things liek Tima Attack cars, Berg Cup cars, Pikes Peak hll cars, rallycross.



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 11:41

Andy35, on 25 Jun 2015 - 14:51, said:

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Pfft, that little kid with the ear defenders on... man up boy !

 

ear defenders can save your quality later in life, so this boy is pretty smart!



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 12:41

Matra V12 is good but this is dynamite https://www.youtube....h?v=5SoZiTxdQyw because the V12 is revving much higher. I think the Mazda 787B gives this a tough competition. Im getting goose bumps from that Ferrari. 

 

V10 has the pure scream but V12 has music in that scream. Before you say, whaaat?! ..... scoots with that V12 musical scream. 

 

Also hard time deciding if that V12 1995 Ferrari is sexier or the 787B mazda. 


Edited by ViMaMo, 26 June 2015 - 12:49.


#72 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 13:06

Otaku, on 25 Jun 2015 - 20:33, said:

But... but.... sound is not importat for racing!!!  :rolleyes:

 

Yes that's what they say  :D

 

 

 

Sound great, yeah... 4 cylinder turbo FTW.....  :love:

 

< runs away > 



#73 Henri Greuter

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 13:06

chunder27, on 26 Jun 2015 - 11:26, said:

My point Henri really was that if you have not experienced something then it is fairly difficult to say it does not float your boat. While the racing might not appeal to you at all, what we are talking about here is sound, not the whole package. And in some classes drag cars really do go up the gears, just in a different way. A Top Fuel car uses a clutch not a gearbox, and as you watch a run you can see and hear the clutch releasign as it goes, and then when the power comes in the tyres can spin up.

 

For me, the sounds I dislike are ones where everthing soudns the same, so a lot of the US oval racing scene leaves me cold sound wise, although the racing is often very good.

I was very lucky to see a couple of SR71 displays, they were based in teh UK in the 80's and a trip to Mildenhall was usuall accompanied by a display!

 

Regarding race cars, my go to classes are anything that can ahve unlimited power, things liek Tima Attack cars, Berg Cup cars, Pikes Peak hll cars, rallycross.

 

 

Point taken.

But like I stated, I have experiences with the Panoz at Le Mans which for me was a frightening loud experience that was downright scary. And that was with only a 6 liter block wiith some 650 or so hp.

Knowing that Dragsters are even larger than 6 liter, and close to 10.000 hp and 150 dB (whow....), can you understand that if I don't want the Panoz Experience another time, that I will never ever want to be at a Drag strip? I'm sorry but as much respect as I have for what they manage to achieve with the engines, the kind or racing doesn't do a thing to me and the noise levels involved make sure that there is absolutely noting within Drag racing that I vagueley appreciate enough to even think about be near to a drag strip on a day it is used by tTop Fuel things, let alone attending the event.

 

Everyone his preferences, I like Indy and open wheel oval racing of the Pre-IRL Era.

 

But I do envy you for your  Sr71 experiences....

 

Take care,

 

Henri



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 14:07

Bikes: RC166 (250cc V6)

https://youtu.be/o57JwibqCb8



					
					

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 14:43

The Honda 6 was not a V6, it was an across the frame 6 cylinder, they also made a 5 cylinder bike that was a 250 or 125, a 50cc twin and numerous other wonder machines like the NR500 oval piston 500 that they tried to race againt the 2 strokes with in the early 80, towards the end that bike was revving to 20,000 rpm and was developing close to 140hp, but even Freddie couly only drag it up to 3rd in once race before it blew up, amazing engineering though.

 

But nothing beats the Moto Guzzi V8 500 surely.

 

I thinki Laverda made a V6 and they raced it in Endurance racing, that was like a Guzzi though, a parallel v.



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 15:51

I don't know if they're my favourite, but the most memorable for various reasons which have already been mentioned are:

Ferrari F1 V12 1993 - My first grand prix, Adelaide. First practice starts, I am sitting at the hairpin at the end of the back straight. In the distance I can hear the noise of an F1 car leaving the pits. I can hear it up Wakefield Rd, Flinders St, Hutt St. Then onto the Rundle Road, then finally I see it appear at the other end of the Brabham Straight. It screams it's way down to the hairpin, brakes, turns the corner, and scream away. I can hear it all the way around to the start. It was Jean Alesi in the Ferrari and he was the only car on the circuit. And as I discovered it was the only car I could hear all the way around.

Top Fuel Dragster - As mentioned above, these beasts are something to be experienced in real life. I'm not a fan of drag racing but I was blown away by the sheer power of engines, it really feels like an earthquake under your feet

Audi Le Mans 2012 - My first experience of Le Mans. I spent 10 hours driving to the circuit, set up the tent at our campsite at Porsche curves, get up to the circuit in time for second qualifying on the Thursday evening. A beautiful sunset, beer in hand, about to see Le Mans cars in the flesh for the first time. Of course being at the Porsche Curves the fastest cars had made their way to the front, and this mean the first cars we would see would be the Audis. In the distance their headlights appear, they head towards us, then they hit the curve at speed and.......WOOOOOSH. Woosh? WTF was that? I was not expecting it, but combined with the speed I realised it was the perfect sound for such a car. About a minute later the first Corvette went past......

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 16:25

Gintonious, on 25 Jun 2015 - 23:12, said:

Dude... forget the sound... just look at how fast that's going  :love:

 

And yeah, I know last years pole was 2 seconds quicker, but goddamn that is what we want to see.

 

Is it the low camera angles? The car searching for balance? The change of direction? What is it that makes that look so much faster than today?


Edited by JeePee, 26 June 2015 - 16:28.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 16:40

V8 Fireworks, on 26 Jun 2015 - 13:06, said:



I don't really care much for the touring cars at all, but this, is awesome. That sound is just so raw and brutal. :D

 

king_crud, on 26 Jun 2015 - 15:51, said:



Audi Le Mans 2012 - My first experience of Le Mans. I spent 10 hours driving to the circuit, set up the tent at our campsite at Porsche curves, get up to the circuit in time for second qualifying on the Thursday evening. A beautiful sunset, beer in hand, about to see Le Mans cars in the flesh for the first time. Of course being at the Porsche Curves the fastest cars had made their way to the front, and this mean the first cars we would see would be the Audis. In the distance their headlights appear, they head towards us, then they hit the curve at speed and.......WOOOOOSH. Woosh? WTF was that? I was not expecting it, but combined with the speed I realised it was the perfect sound for such a car. About a minute later the first Corvette went past.....

I first heard the Corvette GT cars at the Petit Le Mans in 2012. My most prominent memory of them is walking over the bridge and feeling the floorboards shake each time one of them went underneath... good old American muscle. :D

 

Gintonious, on 25 Jun 2015 - 23:12, said:


Wow. Wow wow wow wow wow.

 

I think I'm going to just start rewatching races I missed from the early 2000's (pre-2003) instead of watching new ones. Holy F is that awesome. That very last shot with the yellow streak flashing past the grandstands... brings back memories of Indy 2003.

 

Listening to 20 of those things rev up and then blast off down the front straight was akin to an out-of-body experience.



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 16:49

chunder27, on 26 Jun 2015 - 14:43, said:

The Honda was not a V6, it was an across the frame 6 cylinder, they also made a 5 cylinder bike that was a 250 or 125, a 50cc twin and numerous other wonder machines like the NR500 oval piston 500 that they tried to race againt the 2 strokes with in the early 80, towards the end that bike was revving to 20,000 rpm and was developing close to 140hp, but even Freddie couly only drag it up to 3rd in once race before it blew up, amazing engineering though.

 

The 5 cylinder bike was the RC148, a 125cc which revved at an incredible 20,000 rpm! And that was in 1965!



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 17:42

Back when F1 had good-sounding cars, those were my favorites.



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 18:07

https://youtu.be/Oupeu8ouWtQ?t=3m45s

 

Take your pick :clap:


Edited by phoenix101, 26 June 2015 - 18:12.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 18:41

Afterburner, on 26 Jun 2015 - 16:40, said:

I don't really care much for the touring cars at all, but this, is awesome. That sound is just so raw and brutal. :D

 

 

It was a sarcastic post of four cylinder open-wheelers that sound even worse than F1 hybrid power units.  Your response is most interesting  :p



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 18:49

realracer200, on 26 Jun 2015 - 16:49, said:

The 5 cylinder bike was the RC148, a 125cc which revved at an incredible 20,000 rpm! And that was in 1965!

 

 

 

Honda :clap: Honda :clap: Honda :clap: "Not a big motorcycle, just a groovy little motorbike!"

 

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 02:30

V8 Fireworks, on 26 Jun 2015 - 18:41, said:



It was a sarcastic post of four cylinder open-wheelers that sound even worse than F1 hybrid power units.  Your response is most interesting  :p

Really? I thought they sounded better. F1's current 'power units' are more a droning sound than anything; they've got little character.

 

The four cylinder in that video has a growly tone to it, which I feel gives it a sort of personality evident in the way those cars handle: you feel like you can trust it, but ask too much and it'll bite back. Sort of reminds me of a lower-revving version of the HPD LMP1s I posted last page.



#85 404KF2

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:09

917 flat 12 for sure.  Ever since Spa 1970 when I heard them for the first time....



#86 ViMaMo

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:31

Ducati when they entered MotoGP, their website had a clip of the onboard sound. It was such a hair rising experience hearing it. It got lost somewhere. The old screamer from Ducati. Anyone has it pls share. 



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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:57

https://www.youtube....h?v=LJE0cNe8O-g

 

Greenwood's finest.


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#88 frewin90

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 14:59

wow, what a thread! shame i have nothing to add because any i'd have suggested have been already!

 

:love:



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Posted 28 June 2015 - 15:36

https://youtu.be/n5TGFz7WWh4

 

https://youtu.be/63Y_uSV4Kr4


Edited by Vepe1995, 28 June 2015 - 15:40.


#90 turssi

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 16:14

It's a split between soapbox racers and Formula E cars.

#91 alfsboy

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 21:27

The first racing car I ever got very close to running in anger was the Lambo powered Lotus 102 at a Silverstone test .Warwick was driving .i thought the sound was awsome and still do .



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Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:30

The Ferrari 512M modified for Can Am. The V-12 was punched out to 5.7 liters and to this day I still recall it's sound. It was so amazing that you could track it all around the course, even against the sound of the monster V-8's. This was the largest displacement engine Ferrari ever built, all balls and hair, unapologetically nasty and ferocious.

 


Edited by BlinkyMcSquinty, 29 June 2015 - 02:32.


#93 Dan333SP

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 03:12

BlinkyMcSquinty, on 29 Jun 2015 - 02:30, said:

The Ferrari 512M modified for Can Am. The V-12 was punched out to 5.7 liters and to this day I still recall it's sound. It was so amazing that you could track it all around the course, even against the sound of the monster V-8's. This was the largest displacement engine Ferrari ever built, all balls and hair, unapologetically nasty and ferocious.

 

 

Didn't they bore it out to 6.9L to form the 712 Can Am? I saw one (the only one? I'd assume so) at a historic event a while back, you're right about the sound. Like the 512 but bassier.

 



#94 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 14:32

Dan333SP, on 29 Jun 2015 - 03:12, said:

Didn't they bore it out to 6.9L to form the 712 Can Am? I saw one (the only one? I'd assume so) at a historic event a while back, you're right about the sound. Like the 512 but bassier.

 

 You are correct, Ferrari built just one example of the 712 in 1971. To hear it was to never forget it.

 



#95 rtechmobile

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 20:36

All of these..

 



#96 Talisman

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 20:50

V8 Fireworks, on 26 Jun 2015 - 18:49, said:

https://www.youtube....h?v=Xuvx15DLDmc

https://www.youtube....h?v=eaRop_ZMwo0

Honda :clap: Honda :clap: Honda :clap: "Not a big motorcycle, just a groovy little motorbike!"

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I love the programme your second link is from, they take apart the 166 and get people to talk about it, chiefly the designers and engineers who made it. Unbelievable. They were making titanium suspension components when the Americans were just starting to put them into fighter jets. Lovely bike.

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Posted 01 July 2015 - 11:24

Anything with really thick and powerful traction control.

#98 Dan333SP

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Posted 01 July 2015 - 12:18

KingTiger, on 01 Jul 2015 - 11:24, said:

Anything with really thick and powerful traction control.

 

Really?

 

 

I mean, it's interesting, but having heard F1 cars in the rain with TC, it gets annoying.

 

I remember the Canadian GP in 2000 when it was still supposedly banned. I didn't really know what TC was supposed to sound like, but when the rain started falling the Ferraris and maybe the Benettons had that distinctive machine gun sound on acceleration. Pretty sure everyone knew they were running it,  but no one could stop them because it was buried in their code.

 

Ah, the good old days of flagrant cheating.



#99 chunder27

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Posted 01 July 2015 - 18:10

If you watch some of the clips from Brands in the mid 80's of practice that Barry put up on youtube, theya re are the totla antithesis of modern F1.

 

The cars have immense power, manual boxes, manual steering, fairly poor handling.

 

Watching a Piquet or a Berger powering out of Surtees with 8 or 900 hp coming on in a massive lump, so much so that the wheels are spinning, they are having to change up 2 or 3 times in a few seconds, the skill of those men is staggering.

 

Then watching Piquet coming through Clearways in the Williams, a car so beautifully set up he was doing thing no one else could there, no wonder they were winning races by a lap, that car/driver/engine combo was simply staggering.#

 

Traction control in any formula is garbage. It has in my opinion taken a lot of skill away from bike racing, but thankfully most car racing is now moving aay from it somewhat.  But hearing drivers and riders juts whacjing oipen throttle in places thta years ago woudl have rendered them spinning or highsiding does little for me I am afraid.

 

I was lucky enough to see the end of real preciion and talent in motorsport. You cna still see it obviously and it is now measured in different ways. But boy am I thankful.  Just wish I had seen teh Clarks, Stewarts, etc in thier prime too, that would ahve been a great comparison in sounds and style.



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Posted 01 July 2015 - 18:13

2014 F1 - Mindblowing.