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[WonderWoman61]

Williams with Toyota obviously did work out but at one point, said engines were going to be badged as Lexus.

[WonderWoman61]

https://www.motorspo...980s-f1-project

[WonderWoman61]

Toyota were intending to enter with a V12 in 2001 until the FIA ruled that only V10s would be allowed.

[WonderWoman61]

The proposed partnership between Porsche and Red Bull/McLaren as well as Porsche's proposed 2026 entry.

[WonderWoman61]

Eurobrun with Neotech in 1990.

[rl1856]

Maserati 1.5 L V-12  c1963-4

 

Engine Transmission in one unit, designed for transverse mounting.

 

https://forums.autos...rse-v12-engine/

 

http://www.maserati-...k/0-pr-8_F1.htm

 

Reported to have developed 200hp in testing, but never used.

[WonderWoman61]

there were rumours in 1988 about Opel is building engines for Lotus funded by Camel (like TAG/Porsche)
 
Tyrrell and some other teams wanted to buy the TAG-Porsche engines in 1984/1985 but that engines were exklusively for McLaren.
 
There were rumours in 1988 about Mercedes partnering March for the F1 entry in 1991
 
Ford wanted to have an own team or working together with Brabham before Haas joined the story...
 
In 1988 Max Mosley said that there are 5 Japanese and 3 European Manufactures wanting to enter F1.
Japanese: Subaru, Isuzu, Toyota, Yamaha, what's the fifth?
European: Lamborghini, Mercedes, Peugeot
 
Ford built a V12 engine in 1992.

Mitsubishi perhaps? First one that springs to mind.

[HistoryFan]

Mitsubishi perhaps? First one that springs to mind.

could be, but I have no idea.

[WonderWoman61]

could be, but I have no idea.

Then again, it was said to be Nissan earlier in the thread, even had a World Sportscar Engine to back up such claims.

[lustigson]

Eurobrun with Neotech in 1990.

 

Neotech? That sounds very 80s. Never heard of it before. Anything on its background?

[WonderWoman61]

Neotech? That sounds very 80s. Never heard of it before. Anything on its background?

https://topgear-auto...dosij1607786138

http://forix.autospo...e-failures.html

https://twitter.com/...6234499?lang=en

https://www.google.c...eat-porsche-bmw

There may be more soures.

[Zippel]

Prost and Mercedes would have been a big suprise as Mercedes was just involved with McLaren and it took a lot of more years to supply a second team.

 

Alesi said after leaving the Prost team that Alain had promised him Mercedes engines for 2001, and that he's still waiting.

[WonderWoman61]

Alesi said after leaving the Prost team that Alain had promised him Mercedes engines for 2001, and that he's still waiting.

Wasn't that partly why Alain signed Nick Heidfeld for the 2000 season?

[Zippel]

Wasn't that partly why Alain signed Nick Heidfeld for the 2000 season?

 

Prost was probably retaining ties with both McLaren and Mercedes.

[WonderWoman61]

Prost was probably retaining ties with both McLaren and Mercedes.

With the long term goal of securing Mercedes engines for the 2001 Season.

[ray b]

In Paul Fearnley's article on the 1966 season ( current issue of Motor Sport ), it is mentioned that Brabham had considered, briefly (in '64, in anticipation of the new formula) using a V8 based on a Japanese Prince unit.

 

I can recall reading of Brabham considering a Japanese motor, but I always assumed it had some connection with Honda, as per their subsequent F2 fitment - whereas Prince seem to have been an independent concern until around '66 when absorbed into Nissan.

 

Actually, I'm not sure this would qualify as a 'almost' anything, as we are told the unit was deemed unsuitable very early on.  

 

Beyond having vaguely heard the name Prince, I knew next to nothing of the marque. I see that Wikipedia tells us it is the same as WW2 aircraft company (should have guessed that really) - and in 1946 produced an electric car.

https://www.autoevol...car-210688.html

 

and the SKYLINE GTR

 

Nissan/DATSUN  was slow little junk makers before they bought prince who were much more performance cars

 

Edited by ray b, 11 April 2023 - 00:07.

[WonderWoman61]

In Paul Fearnley's article on the 1966 season ( current issue of Motor Sport ), it is mentioned that Brabham had considered, briefly (in '64, in anticipation of the new formula) using a V8 based on a Japanese Prince unit.
 
I can recall reading of Brabham considering a Japanese motor, but I always assumed it had some connection with Honda, as per their subsequent F2 fitment - whereas Prince seem to have been an independent concern until around '66 when absorbed into Nissan.
 
Actually, I'm not sure this would qualify as a 'almost' anything, as we are told the unit was deemed unsuitable very early on.  
 
Beyond having vaguely heard the name Prince, I knew next to nothing of the marque. I see that Wikipedia tells us it is the same as WW2 aircraft company (should have guessed that really) - and in 1946 produced an electric car.

Probably better off in a rumour-based thread.

[Viryfan]

Matra V6 for Ligier and Williams for 1983.
Project was killed off as Peugeot Talbot refused to make the Espace roadcar and they decided to focus on Group B.
While Renault accepted the Espace roadcar but asked Lagardere to kill his f1 engine project.

The V6 was rumoured to have well over 900hp.

[WonderWoman61]

Three F1 teams interested in the Volkswagen turbo intended for 1986.
https://www.motorspo...nge-gp-history/

[HistoryFan]

Brabham, March and ...?

[rl1856]

In Paul Fearnley's article on the 1966 season ( current issue of Motor Sport ), it is mentioned that Brabham had considered, briefly (in '64, in anticipation of the new formula) using a V8 based on a Japanese Prince unit.
 
I can recall reading of Brabham considering a Japanese motor, but I always assumed it had some connection with Honda, as per their subsequent F2 fitment - whereas Prince seem to have been an independent concern until around '66 when absorbed into Nissan.
 
Actually, I'm not sure this would qualify as a 'almost' anything, as we are told the unit was deemed unsuitable very early on.  
 
Beyond having vaguely heard the name Prince, I knew next to nothing of the marque. I see that Wikipedia tells us it is the same as WW2 aircraft company (should have guessed that really) - and in 1946 produced an electric car.

Probably better off in a rumour-based thread.

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Brabham and possibly Lotus expressed interest in a Honda engine, in 1963-4.  However their intent was to goad Coventry Climax into continued development of their V8 and to construct their flat 16 engine.   The anti climactic  dalliance with B/L may have led to Honda's decision to construct a complete car instead of becoming an alternative engine supplier.  

[WonderWoman61]

Brabham, March and ...?

March were probably looking ahead for their return in 1987.