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#3901 Talisman

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 19:27

Christophe77, on 02 Mar 2016 - 19:15, said:

So, I may have missed the post about this... But what are we looking at PU wise? Is it a totally new engine this week? The rumoured 'rouge' team's engine?

 

Its last week's engine with a few new parts.  The main difference is that last week it was running in 'safe' mode while its less restricted this week.



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#3902 Marklar

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 19:35

Motorsport.com @Motorsport 

Button says revised Honda #F1 engine is "biggest improvement" he has felt in over a year: http://bit.ly/1Uzgtbc 



#3903 Stephane

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 19:35

Christophe77, on 02 Mar 2016 - 19:15, said:

So, I may have missed the post about this... But what are we looking at PU wise? Is it a totally new engine this week? The rumoured 'rouge' team's engine?


There can't be a totally new engine. Max 32 tokens of change

#3904 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 19:36

http://www.jamesalle...have-delivered/

Boullier quotes from article, the rest is on Allen's page:

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The engine still needs a little work, “but there are some good signs of progress,” said Boullier. “And I think the reliability is still a weakness. But at last we can run now so we can develop the car, which we couldn’t do last year. We can definitely validate systems. So it’s definitely a step forward. ”

(...)

Boullier said that one of the main Achilles Heels of the Honda last year, which was the electrical energy regeneration and deployment had been addressed, “yes the recovery is much better,” he said guardedly.

(...)

 

“The engine is still not at its full 2016 capacity, so we have a lot of performance still in the package. There is a lot of mapping and things which we can improve,” notes Boullier.

“Fernando says we can have a couple of podiums this year, which is true in theory, but we don’t know exactly where we are at the moment. We have a lot of things coming, but we can’t use them all yet.”

(...)

 

“The mapping on these engines is amazing,” he says. “You can play with the knock and get dramatic effects.”

(...)

“What we promised [Alonso] we would deliver, we have delivered,” said Boullier. “So you have the trust. It was important for us to understand that the model we use in the factory is correlating with the track. That means that we can use this model to develop the car. And it looks like it works.

“The numbers we have at the track now are the numbers we had in the computer this winter. So Fernando knows what we are doing, as does Jenson. They know that when we promise, we do what we say. We are not over promising, not under delivering.

“We just deliver what we promise and I want to keep this line because it is the way to keep the trust perfect between the drivers and the team.

“He knows what is coming along and it’s my target to deliver the best car. With the current regulations you need three years minimum to get to the maturity of your chassis. We had no continuity from 2012/13 so last year we started a new philosophy and it started as not the best car, but by Abu Dhabi was the third best chassis. Check the GPS traces. So in one year we caught up a lot."

“We believe that the step we made through the winter and with the development up to the race here in Barcelona, will make us closer and maybe even better.”

(...)



#3905 f1rules

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 19:49

ermo, on 02 Mar 2016 - 19:06, said:

Nice to see a glimmer of hope in the way the team goes around their business.

 

Personally, I'm still keeping my expectations in check though -- I just hope the last two days will prove to be productive with only a few minor issues to sort out...

 

im trying also, but the team is not making it easy with their statements today, seems they where very cautious at first but now gave in. Must be a HUGE relief for the team. So much at stake. Reputation, sponsors, Trust and confidence in themselves. Retaining the drivers. With this it seems momentum has been created, confidence, positive energy and hunger is back, Which is not to be underestimated.

What encourage me the most, is not the speed trap at all, thats just a nice sidenote. Its bensons analysis, its the positive feedback all around, the fact that they only just started to scratch the surface with the new pu and its capabilities, especially harvesting/deployment. Im sure there is lots to be gained software wise and with driveability. Its the fact they basicly didnt setup the car properly yet, that the simulations equals on track output, that they plan to introduce a range of updates etc etc. I know they will not be challenging merc or ferrari, but dam if they could fight for pos 5-10 from the get go and develop from there



#3906 Lemans

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:01

You know they've done well because it's awfully quiet in here.



#3907 Stephane

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:04

i want to believe

#3908 ERICTOPF1

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:19

Lemans, on 02 Mar 2016 - 20:01, said:

You know they've done well because it's awfully quiet in here.

 

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:



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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:23

Lemans, on 02 Mar 2016 - 20:01, said:

You know they've done well because it's awfully quiet in here.

 

We will see the truth in Australia.

More than 1.5 sec back --> still GP2 engine.

More than 2 sec back --> still GP2 engine with GP2 car



#3910 Quickshifter

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:25

I wish we had an option to downvote on this forum



#3911 topical

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:26

I was pessimistic last week but cautiously optimistic right now. Fighting for the title is obviously out of the question but frankly I'd be happy if they can regularly get into Q3 and fight for mid-level points without requiring half the field to drop out. Podiums? Would be nice, but that's got to be the medium term goal.



#3912 BJHF1

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:28

chhatra, on 02 Mar 2016 - 19:07, said:

The difference this year is that they will be running a higher downforce package.
Hopefully this year we will do away with compromised aero of last year.


Well increased duration of development over the off season should lead to increased downforce undoubtedly.

Certainly Mclaren had to run very compromised downforce levels at tracks like Monza at Spa last year, but on the vast majority of other tracks it would be going out on a limb to say they had compromised DF levels due to the lack of power.

#3913 jimmonson

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:30

Well I am feeling more positive about things after a good days testing for McLaren Honda today.  They seem to be going about things in a calm and purposeful way , no doubt the much improved reliability is a big help . 121 laps and a decent lap time , thats much better . But hearing Jenson's comments about the much improved PU as well as revealing the total lack of any Driver specific setup work being done yet , points to better things to come . Plus the promise of a " qualifying mode " . Its all good , onward and upward  Team McLarenHonda  :up:



#3914 Lemans

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:36

blacky, on 02 Mar 2016 - 20:23, said:

We will see the truth in Australia.

More than 1.5 sec back --> still GP2 engine.

More than 2 sec back --> still GP2 engine with GP2 car

 

Calm down.

I'm not talking about Australia. I'm talking about today. Just today.



#3915 Vettelari

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:45

As previously mentioned, Q3 is only 8 drivers as of this moment. Lord knows that could change a few more times in the next few weeks with the way this qualifying disaster is going. To put things in perspective, if McLaren can consistently make it to Q2 they have made an incredibly massive improvement from last season. MASSIVE. 7 cars are eliminated in Q1. My best guess would be that the 2 Manors and GUT will be among those 7. That leaves 4 more drivers to be eliminated. It looks like it will be a battle between GRO, ERI, NAS, MAG, PAL, ALO, and BUT to make Q2. If HAAS is somewhat close to Sauber, I think Grosjean's driving ability will push him past ERI and NAS. I do not rate Palmer at all. Hopefully we see BUT and ALO both in Q2 without issue. We will see what happens real soon!



#3916 Lemans

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 20:51



#3917 f1rules

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 21:02



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Posted 02 March 2016 - 21:05

Team report:

http://www.mclaren.c...test-2-day-two/

 

Lots of very good comments in there - lots of specific information, so a good read.

 

Clearly, there is more to come even from the current package and there's plenty of upgrades coming too.



#3919 balmybaldwin

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 21:09

f1rules, on 02 Mar 2016 - 18:15, said:

well i tried to make a comparison from yesterday till today after lunch, seems the one today is higher if you use the slits in the endplate as ref point or am i seeing wrong?

 

https://dl.dropboxus...F1/rearwing.png

These are completely different angles. like most photo comparisons



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#3920 KingTiger

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 21:11

This thread is not as fun without the extreme doom and gloom.

#3921 balmybaldwin

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 21:13

BJHF1, on 02 Mar 2016 - 18:37, said:

There were plenty of occcasions where the speed traps figures were respectable last year...not sure why everyone is jumping for joy all of sudden

 

 

Really in testing?  I don't remember them ever being respectable.

 

I guess what these trap speeds show is that no one has gone full chat on the engines - renault, honda near the top this week, ferraris teams last week, merc teams popping up now and again - there's no way that they are hitting "real" top speeds



#3922 BJHF1

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 21:26

balmybaldwin, on 02 Mar 2016 - 21:13, said:

Really in testing?  I don't remember them ever being respectable.
 
I guess what these trap speeds show is that no one has gone full chat on the engines - renault, honda near the top this week, ferraris teams last week, merc teams popping up now and again - there's no way that they are hitting "real" top speeds


They were respectable when it mattered in qualy...which matters most.

I also absolutely agree that these speed trap figures mean absolutely nothing for a number of reasons though. These are just absolute best figures from the day. Even last year they could waste all their deployment on the main straight, and put up pretty numbers, but sometimes that meant they would have blown there wad early in the lap and had nothing left for the remainder of the straights. So again, little point in getting excited imo...there are other reasons, but a nice looking speed trap in testing is not one of them.

#3923 argiriano

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 21:36

rodlamas, on 02 Mar 2016 - 11:06, said:

That must be 279 and 287

Nope, the S3 speed trap at Catalunya is 30m after the last corner (at the last grid places) not at the start-finish (pole position) line.. so 179km/h is perfectly fine.

 

Quickshifter, on 02 Mar 2016 - 19:12, said:

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Today  in his interview to James Allen, EB has said how Alonso was happy yesterday with the progress. Honda are developing a qualifying engine mode which may or may not be ready for Australia. There are new updates coming on the power unit before and after Australia.  Him saying that deployment is much much better now is a big boost.

...

The first four fly away grand prix will be nothing but extended testing and i am prepared for that. The real season will start  from the Spanish grandprix onwards.  

I don`t think it is wise to homologate new PU after the very first race for which you are homologated the PU already, and I`m not sure they will have enough tokens to do it anyway. 

I see a new PU homologation as soon as the European races if the first one will last 4 races of course. That`s why I agree with the last santance. 

 

Petroltorque, on 02 Mar 2016 - 18:19, said:

My feeling is that Honda have fixed their PU. It may not be on par with the Merc but a 30bhp deficit is only worth half a second and that can be overcome with a good chassis and clever strategy. The real joker is if their chassis is forgiving enough to run the faster option continuously and keep the prime time to the minimum.

That`s very bold IMO, I see it more like - starting the year around 80HP down on Merc and trying to closing in to 30 as the season progress.. and that`s only if we consider Fernando`s words as a given. 

 
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Good progress this last test for now. I hope it will continue like that the following two days, just as I hope that not many of us will start dreaming of podiums and top 6 from the beggining of the season because beside the big progress we are still far from the top end of the grid.
3 seconds for 3 months is... you know, like GP2 making it to F1.  :p

 

 



#3924 Lemans

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 21:46



#3925 mclarensmps

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 22:00

Christophe77, on 02 Mar 2016 - 19:15, said:

So, I may have missed the post about this... But what are we looking at PU wise? Is it a totally new engine this week? The rumoured 'rouge' team's engine?

 

Honda stole Ferrari's engine? I don't want McLaren to be involved in another spygate with them  :eek:



#3926 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 22:25

Alonsofan007, on 02 Mar 2016 - 17:48, said:

today's test speed trap via f1 official twitter



Encouraging signs.
More to come in performance.

#BelieveInMcLarenHonda

#3927 SlickMick

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 22:26

Do not try and bend the swingometer, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth...there is no swingometer. Then you will see it is not the swingometer that bends, it is only yourself.

#3928 TheRacingElf

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 22:39

SlickMick, on 02 Mar 2016 - 22:26, said:

Do not try and bend the swingometer, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth...there is no swingometer. Then you will see it is not the swingometer that bends, it is only yourself.

That sounds very poetic!

 

 

 

I just don't get any word of what you're saying :lol:



#3929 RPM40

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 22:46

As the test goes on, so does their progress. Now they have got the ERS working correctly they can focus on actual ICE improvements and start bringing more and more performance to the car. While I'm struggling to believe Alonso's claims of 'podiums' I think this base should give them a strong starting point for during season development. 



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Posted 02 March 2016 - 22:47

TheRacingElf, on 02 Mar 2016 - 22:39, said:

That sounds very poetic!

 

 

 

I just don't get any word of what you're saying :lol:

 

 

It's adapting a line form the Matrix about bending a spoon with your mind.



#3931 muelte

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 23:07

Let's hope for another trouble free day tomorrow for ALO. I expect a race simulation for him as it's his last testing day, and hopefully some 'glory run' to have an idea of what this car is capable of  :p   :up:


Edited by muelte, 02 March 2016 - 23:08.


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Posted 02 March 2016 - 23:09

balmybaldwin, on 02 Mar 2016 - 21:13, said:

Really in testing?  I don't remember them ever being respectable.

 

I guess what these trap speeds show is that no one has gone full chat on the engines - renault, honda near the top this week, ferraris teams last week, merc teams popping up now and again - there's no way that they are hitting "real" top speeds

 

I barely remember them running last year ;)



#3933 muramasa

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 23:13

Christophe77, on 02 Mar 2016 - 19:15, said:

So, I may have missed the post about this... But what are we looking at PU wise? Is it a totally new engine this week? The rumoured 'rouge' team's engine?

no the PU that's been running from last week is OZ spec. They are adding bits to rectify issues and applying tweaks to improve/fix things (as well as trialing some things for future development it seems according to spanish journo who's considered to be reliable).

and no, there is no such thing as rogue pu. rogue/skunkworks/old boys club are all buzzwords for false. They are of course testing multiple concepts and if necessary set up special task force to focus and tackle on pressing/prioritized issue predominantly but that's just normal and not only what other makers are doing as well but also kinda common thing across genre. 2016 PU is by 2016 PU design team that was separated from initial PU team or 2015 team in Feb 2015. The 2016 PU design project leader is Maruyama, even then it's not entirely by 2016 team but more a collective and collaborative work. There are project leaders for ERS, PU research and probably some others as well, it's matrix thing.

 

 

 

hasegawa quotes from Day 1
http://as-web.jp/new...c_id=1&no=71377

 

  • (on the coolant issue that occured on day 4 of last week's testing where they only managed 3 laps) We havent yet fully identified the exact cause of water leak last weekend, but we consider it's highly probable that vacuuming (air removal/extract/exhausting or whatever is called in the chamber) was not enough so some air remained inside it, which incurred damage to the sealing. Therefore, while we brought the same spec as last test, this time we made sure to pay extra care to conduct air extraction.

 

  • (on the stoppage just before lunch) Some trouble happened to control software so we sent out an order to stop the car to the driver from the pit.
  • Of course the position in timesheet is encouraging, but we still dont know where we are. To be honest we wanted to run more today (day 1). With today's lap count (of 92 laps), we would only reach 2000km with 4-days total, so we want to run a lot more before the opening race.





 

 



#3934 oetzi

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 23:33

Quickshifter, on 02 Mar 2016 - 20:25, said:

I wish we had an option to downvote on this forum

Be careful what you wish for :)

#3935 oetzi

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 23:40

mclarensmps, on 02 Mar 2016 - 22:00, said:

Honda stole Ferrari's engine? I don't want McLaren to be involved in another spygate with them  :eek:

Honda are probably smart enough to copy the documents in house.

#3936 10e10

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 23:52

I don't know if I want to believe it. It sounds too good to be true. I'll wait until Australia to see where we are.



#3937 teejay

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 00:27

Fingers crossed. 

 

Been very hard watching them suck of late. 



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Posted 03 March 2016 - 00:35

Only the facts, in summary– JB has said they are still working on aero correlation and Boullier has mentioned some reliability gremlins need to be ironed out with the new parts added since first test. JB said no set-up work as yet, and he's not happy with the balance atm. To pour cold water on it, Fred said too early to judge the upgrades but EB said Fred's feedback was positive even if his day was limited.

 

Renault were moving into Quali runs, as were Merc, Kmag was only 2 tenths faster than JB on softs and 1.2 sec on the super-softs. Kmags run was 3 laps while JB did 9 for best time.


Edited by Nobody, 03 March 2016 - 00:51.


#3939 Treads

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 01:26

Sounds like the car and engine package may overall be solid. I know it's only testing, and times prove nothing, but being on the bottom of the time sheets every day is a strong indication the car is bottom of the time sheets material.

Being in the upper-middle of the time sheets everyday is a strong indication that the car is upper-middle territory.

I am wary to make predications as it turned out last season they had run the car on fumes the whole time and things were way worse even than expected from the dismal testing. But I am cautiously optimistic. At the end of last season, we had made a load of progress. We were just so far back at the start, we didn't move forward in the results. But another half second would have put us in the mix with the lower middle field. I feel sure we will have pulled back that half second, hopefully more, and at the worst be fighting for 6th / 7th / 8th fastest car each weekend. I can't see us behind Manor and Haas. Sauber have no money and Renault have had a terrible program this last year with no money to develop this car, so they all should be beatable. So worse than 7th each week would be very disappointing.

Added to which, TR have a year-old engine and RB also have a weak engine. Track dependent we should be able to attack them. Furthermore, even with a Mercedes lump, Force India also have no money. If we are within 50 horses on the motor, I think we can at least be in the mix. So 4th / 5th are within reach on merit maybe later in the year and on favourable tracks.

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 01:31

TheRacingElf, on 02 Mar 2016 - 22:39, said:

 

 

That sounds very poetic!

 

 

 

I just don't get any word of what you're saying :lol:

 

 

SlickMick, on 02 Mar 2016 - 22:26, said:

Do not try and bend the swingometer, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth...there is no swingometer. Then you will see it is not the swingometer that bends, it is only yourself.

 

 

muramasa, on 02 Mar 2016 - 23:13, said:

 it's matrix thing.

 

 

 ;)


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 03 March 2016 - 01:33.


#3941 KingTiger

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 02:31

If the engine is really fixed, I want to see it in the back of Red Bull for 2017 :up:

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 02:36

it's refreshing to see so much positivity all round from the team/drivers, the car itself on track (respectable top speeds and sector times despite not even chasing performance yet!) this forum/its members, even key journalists... brilliant stuff, massively rewarding after last years rigmarole

 

it's nice reading this thread and seeing peoples' views/speculations - the McLaren swingometer is surely at its highest point for years! we must keep our current expectations check though and keep our heads below the clouds until we really see how they do when running in anger against competitors. however, what we can say is that it's a dead-cert we won't be often trundinling round in the second-from-last positions anymore  :clap:

 

so many times better than last year. McLaren Honda appears to have done a great job so far, the both of them on their respective duties - i'll stop short of being too excited just yet - but if they pull off what it looks like they have and they believe they can by Aus, then it's a recovery of the like that has probably never been seen in F1 and would make last year so worth the pain  :stoned: 'from zero to hero' and all that!

 

EDIT: it's also great how pragmatic the team are being with their approach rather than chasing times. and also really good to learn they're developing quali modes!!!

 

 

Lemans, on 02 Mar 2016 - 20:01, said:

You know they've done well because it's awfully quiet in here.

 

feels so good! hopefully this year we won't need the anti-pest spray you mentioned to keep them away and the performance itself will hopefully be enough  :p ! i don't think any of us will miss oetzi's constant and relentless hacking, prodding and irritating(ness?)  :lol:! and maybe he'll even finally admit that McLaren can make a good chassis (or most likely go quiet and pretend he didn't say the things he did last year  :rolleyes:)

 

oh, and that irritating doomsayer Gary Anderson will hopefully eat his sour words too! last year he was talking such crap, essentially dismissing McLaren Honda from ever becoming a force. i don't care to recite the bile he spouted, i've better things to do, but i'm sure you all remember his unfounded bias and negativity as much as me. even as recently last week he did a 'where teams stand' report, crapped all over McLaren, put them in 9th position (out of 10) and said we'll struggle again - when really, he had almost nothing to go on to come to that conclusion, just pure negative speculation and bias. if this weeks' massively improved situation doesn't make him eat his words, then hopefully the first few races will for good. i won't miss his exaggerated, attention-grabbing headlines and he'll have to find another team to pick on  :p !

Edited by frewin90, 03 March 2016 - 02:43.


#3943 frewin90

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 02:40

 

mclarensmps, on 02 Mar 2016 - 22:00, said:

Honda stole Ferrari's engine? I don't want McLaren to be involved in another spygate with them   :eek:

 

haha, i cottoned on to the 'rouge' and thought 'red?' as well  :p  :p

 

 

BJHF1, on 02 Mar 2016 - 20:28, said:

Well increased duration of development over the off season should lead to increased downforce undoubtedly.

Certainly Mclaren had to run very compromised downforce levels at tracks like Monza at Spa last year, but on the vast majority of other tracks it would be going out on a limb to say they had compromised DF levels due to the lack of power.

 

the team admitted themselves on multiple occasions that they've stripped downforce (or are not adding as much as they'd like) to compensate and optimise straight-line speed... surely you read this...  :|


Edited by frewin90, 03 March 2016 - 02:49.


#3944 SlickMick

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 02:50

TheRacingElf, on 02 Mar 2016 - 22:39, said:

That sounds very poetic!
 
 
 
I just don't get any word of what you're saying :lol:


It's a reflection on the mood of the thread following last two days of first test versus first two days of current test. I was in a philosophical mood, ie. I'd had a few pints :-)

And yup, nicked from the Matrix.

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 02:56

Treads, on 03 Mar 2016 - 01:26, said:

Sounds like the car and engine package may overall be solid. I know it's only testing, and times prove nothing, but being on the bottom of the time sheets every day is a strong indication the car is bottom of the time sheets material.

Being in the upper-middle of the time sheets everyday is a strong indication that the car is upper-middle territory.

I am wary to make predications as it turned out last season they had run the car on fumes the whole time and things were way worse even than expected from the dismal testing. But I am cautiously optimistic. At the end of last season, we had made a load of progress. We were just so far back at the start, we didn't move forward in the results. But another half second would have put us in the mix with the lower middle field. I feel sure we will have pulled back that half second, hopefully more, and at the worst be fighting for 6th / 7th / 8th fastest car each weekend. I can't see us behind Manor and Haas. Sauber have no money and Renault have had a terrible program this last year with no money to develop this car, so they all should be beatable. So worse than 7th each week would be very disappointing.

Added to which, TR have a year-old engine and RB also have a weak engine. Track dependent we should be able to attack them. Furthermore, even with a Mercedes lump, Force India also have no money. If we are within 50 horses on the motor, I think we can at least be in the mix. So 4th / 5th are within reach on merit maybe later in the year and on favourable tracks.

In high attrition

 

good stuff. a realistic, level-headed 'lowest' expectation. i think this is the kind of performance we should realistically expect. however, anything more will be a welcome bonus  :up:



#3946 f1rules

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 04:34

balmybaldwin, on 02 Mar 2016 - 21:09, said:

These are completely different angles. like most photo comparisons

i know!, but in this case it doesnt matter, the ref point clearly illustrates the difference between the two wings, better pics has since arrived and for sure they tested a higher df wing 


Edited by f1rules, 03 March 2016 - 04:35.


#3947 Ncedi

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 04:57

KingTiger, on 02 Mar 2016 - 21:11, said:

This thread is not as fun without the extreme doom and gloom.

 

Yeah, but some of us have Arsenal to provide that in bucket fulls... ):



#3948 TakataDomeNSX

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 05:12

 
 

ホンダ密着:信頼性の問題は概ね解決。次は性能を #F1 #f1jp http://bit.ly/1RqlZrr  via @AUTOSPORT_web

Translated from Japanese by Bing
 

Honda contact: generally resolve reliability issues. The following (days' focus will be) performance #F1 #f1jp http://bit.ly/1RqlZrr  via @AUTOSPORT_web


Edited by TakataDomeNSX, 03 March 2016 - 05:15.


#3949 Otaku

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 05:16

TheRacingElf, on 02 Mar 2016 - 22:39, said:

That sounds very poetic!

 

 

 

I just don't get any word of what you're saying :lol:

 



#3950 Rocket73

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 05:27

ANY sort of performance and reliability will be a bonus after next year.