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[Ray Bell]

That might have been his funny first gear...

A bit hard on the clutch leg if the start's delayed, however.

[D28]

D28, on 15 Nov 2016 - 23:26, said:

What technical trick did Sir Jack Brabham use to advantage in the inaugural F1 Canadian GP?

BUMP this new question up, anyone have a guess?

[Ray Bell]

My answer isn't good enough?

[D28]

Ray Bell, on 16 Nov 2016 - 15:48, said:

My answer isn't good enough?

I thought you were replying to the previous question actually, sorry, Still not the one I have in mind.

Edited by D28, 16 November 2016 - 15:54.

[Porsche718]

It's not really a "technical trick" but I understand that Jack couldn't get to the circuit on race morning due to traffic jams everywhere .... until he hitched a ride in an ambulance. Sirens blaring and lights flashing worked wonders!

[D28]

Porsche718, on 17 Nov 2016 - 06:28, said:

It's not really a "technical trick" but I understand that Jack couldn't get to the circuit on race morning due to traffic jams everywhere .... until he hitched a ride in an ambulance. Sirens blaring and lights flashing worked wonders!

Right, he said that was his biggest problem all day. Good answer but not the advantage I had in mind. 

Edited by D28, 17 November 2016 - 15:00.

[Porsche718]

I found youtube footage of the race. Torrential rain and storms. I seem to remember almost everyone stopping for new goggles - even his teammate Hulme stopped twice. Didn't Jack use some form of "anti-mist" or anti-fog" on his goggles.

 

Is that classed as "technical"?

[D28]

Porsche718, on 17 Nov 2016 - 19:16, said:

I found youtube footage of the race. Torrential rain and storms. I seem to remember almost everyone stopping for new goggles - even his teammate Hulme stopped twice. Didn't Jack use some form of "anti-mist" or anti-fog" on his goggles.

 

Is that classed as "technical"?

Yes it certainly is, very good work. Denny was quite a bit quicker that day but stopped for goggles, then for a visor putting him behind Jack, still in second. Dan Gurney also pitted twice had his mechanics throw him a fresh set of goggles. But Jack was wily enough to prepare for the soggy conditions and prove the race isn't always to the swiftest. A most satisfying result for me that day, soaked or not.

[Porsche718]

OK.

 

Which F1 engine ended up being as heavy - by itself - as the minimum weight allowed for the entire car.

[wilsongt]

BRM H-16, so the joke goes. But not heavy enough

Regards
Glenn

[Porsche718]

Yes it was the engine I was thinking of. And yes it was the "urban myth" spread at the time. Minimum weight 500 KG. Engine weight (initially) 556 LB.

 

I wonder if there was a competition for least horsepower per kilogram weight of engine, would the H16 win?

 

Over to you.

[Ray Bell]

I think there was a V12 or two which had that problem...

[wilsongt]

I'm afraid I don't have anything testing for the amazing brains trust on here, so will pass the baton with a simple one. Sorry if it's been asked before.

What happened for the first time in an F1 race at the 1961 Dutch Grand Prix?

Regards
Glenn

[Vitesse2]

Well, in one way that race is no longer unique. But in another it is.

[D28]

wilsongt, on 17 Nov 2016 - 22:36, said:

I'm afraid I don't have anything testing for the amazing brains trust on here, so will pass the baton with a simple one. Sorry if it's been asked before.

What happened for the first time in an F1 race at the 1961 Dutch Grand Prix?

Regards
Glenn

I'm guessing every starter completed the race, at least all running at the end.

[wilsongt]

Spot on, back to you (pretty sure there wasn't even a pit stop as well)

Regards
Glenn

[D28]

This should be an easy one. Which pre-war GP ace was so impressed with Cooper F3 cars that he raced them in a private team for the sheer joy of racing.

[2F-001]

Whilst seeking forgiveness for interrupting the flow of questions…

Going back to the '61 Dutch: I thought another part of that landmark was that not only did all the starters finish, but none called in to the pits. Whilst we have since had races in which everyone finished, I can't remember if that happened again prior to the advent of planned pitstops… Is that what you were alluding to, Richard?

Sorry - back to F3 Coopers…!

[Porsche718]

D28. I'm thinking Raymond Sommer. I don't know about being in a "private team" but early in 1950 he did say in an interview that driving the Cooper was one of his greatest joys. Sadly, he was the first fatality in a Cooper later in the year.

[Vitesse2]

2F-001, on 18 Nov 2016 - 07:07, said:

Whilst seeking forgiveness for interrupting the flow of questions…

Going back to the '61 Dutch: I thought another part of that landmark was that not only did all the starters finish, but none called in to the pits. Whilst we have since had races in which everyone finished, I can't remember if that happened again prior to the advent of planned pitstops… Is that what you were alluding to, Richard?

Indeed. Still the only race without pit stops. And - given the current rules - likely to remain so.

[D28]

Porsche718, on 18 Nov 2016 - 07:21, said:

D28. I'm thinking Raymond Sommer. I don't know about being in a "private team" but early in 1950 he did say in an interview that driving the Cooper was one of his greatest joys. Sadly, he was the first fatality in a Cooper later in the year.

He is the one, drove for Harry Schell's outfit for sheer pleasure, nothing left to prove and sadly perished in the car.

[D-Type]

Another light one:

 

In a major Grand Prix a driver was running short of fuel and pulled into a convenient petrol station and topped up.

 

Who?  Where?  When?

What other claims to fame does that race have?

[D28]

D-Type, on 18 Nov 2016 - 15:15, said:

Another light one:

 

In a major Grand Prix a driver was running short of fuel and pulled into a convenient petrol station and topped up.

 

Who?  Where?  When?

What other claims to fame does that race have?

It was Jack Brabham at Pescara 1957, and he has a few other claims. 3 WC driving titles for one.

Edited by D28, 18 November 2016 - 15:55.

[Glengavel]

D-Type, on 18 Nov 2016 - 15:15, said:

Another light one:

 

In a major Grand Prix a driver was running short of fuel and pulled into a convenient petrol station and topped up.

 

Who?  Where?  When?

What other claims to fame does that race have?

 

Longest F1 circuit?

[Vitesse2]

First 'non-national' GP to be part of the WDC (Indy 500 excepted).

[D28]

D28, on 18 Nov 2016 - 15:51, said:

It was Jack Brabham at Pescara 1957, and he has a few other claims. 3 WC driving titles for one.

Sorry I misread the question. Pescara was the longest circuit and this was the last WC GP held there.

[D-Type]

That's right

Jack Brabham in the 1957 Pescara GP.

Claims to fame: Longest circuit and first 'non-national' GP

(I thought of adding the only GP to have been a round of the World Championship and of the Sports Car Championship and then I remembered the Swedish GP also matches those criteria.)

 

So, D28, Glengavel and Vitesse2 all got parts of the answer.  Who's going to be first to think of the next question?

[D28]

I have a quick simple question ready.

Which driver spoiled an all NZ podium at a WC race, by getting among the Kiwis. i think the best chance ever of this happening.

Driver, race, yr. and finishing order, first 4.

[nexfast]

Graham Hill, Monaco GP 1967

 

Hulme, G. Hill, Amon, McLaren

[D28]

That's the one. They were 3 astern for a while but Bruce's McLaren started missing badly. Into the pits and they looked at fuel pressure, until a voice shouted out "Its the battery" the voice was Jack Brabham, defending WC who had expired on lap 1 and just happened to be visiting.

Graham Hill got ahead of him as they replaced the battery.

 

Cannot imagine that happening today somehow, must be a rule against that sort of fraternization.

[nexfast]

So, another question: The first race of the new French F3 championship in 1964 took place in Pau. Who was the future well-known french journalist who qualified in second position?

[Tim Murray]

Johnny Rives?

[nexfast]

Impressive, Tim, and in less than an hour . Your turn.

[Porsche718]

From 1958 Monaco GP to the 1974 US GP there was only 1 World Championship event (excluding Indy 500) that did not have an Australian or New Zealander competing in it.

 

Which event was it?

[opplock]

Italian GP 1960. Reason - boycott by British teams.

[Porsche718]

Correct. Organisers insisted on using the banking to maximise Ferraris only advantage. Outright speed. The british team felt their cars were to fragile.

 

Tour turn.

[opplock]

The last time a car designed for road use started an F1 race. When, where, what and who drove it?

[Tim Murray]

Brausch Niemann, Lotus 7, Natal GP, 22-Dec-62?

[opplock]

Correct on all counts. An answer within 8 minutes, is that a record? 

[Tim Murray]

Thanks Opplock.

If Reg Parnell was first and Jo Bonnier fourth, who were second and third?

[Ray Bell]

Quote

Originally posted by Tim Murray
Brausch Niemann, Lotus 7, Natal GP, 22-Dec-62?

That's only five weeks after Jeff Dunkerton's Lotus 7 became the last sports car to run in the Australian Grand Prix...

He finished ninth, lapped 14 times by Bruce McLaren's 2.5-litre Cooper.

[Steffen]

Harry Schell & Jean Behra

Those were the first four drivers to score points for BRM.

[Tim Murray]

Excellent - well done Steffen. I thought I might have to provide a clue or two before anyone got it.

Congratulations, and over to you.

[Steffen]

Thank you, Tim!

Parnell and Bonnier didn't had that much in common appart from driving for BRM, so the solution had to do something with that.

Here is the new question:

If Ferrari would have entered a third car in 1974, which starting number would it most likely have got?

[Porsche718]

Steffen. Number 36. As the third car in each manufactures team was allocated a number starting at 31. Ferrari finished 6th in the 1973 Constructers title. Therefore - 36.

[Steffen]

Correct!

 

Did you had to think about it or was it too easy?

[Porsche718]

I had to think. The penny dropped when I remembered permanent season numbers started in '74.

 

Well. In the 2004 F1 season - one race accident stood out for an unusual reason. What happened? Where and who?

[D28]

Could be Ralph Schumacher's accident at the USGP, blamed on Micheline tires. This was a warning of what was to come the following year.

 

I had to look this up on the net, outside the rules, so if correct someone else can put up a question.

Edited by D28, 22 November 2016 - 03:08.

[Porsche718]

Not what I'm thinking of.

 

The "unusual reason" is more to do with what happened after the accident. Also, it occurred earlier in the season.

[wilsongt]

DQ also for an internet search (all books in storage), but in 2004 there was a crash behind the safety car, and a fire extinguisher explosion. Either of those?

Regards
Glenn