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[kimister]

Stephane, on 01 Mar 2017 - 20:28, said:

Apparently, they are not sure to run at all tomorrow.

 

ouch! shame if it happens.

[KWSN - DSM]

Stroll need seat time more than Massa, the banging on him is over the top, he is not my cup of tea but he is the reigning European F3 Champion at age 18, he obviously know how to race a car, does he have what it takes to be a front running F1 driver we do not know yet, but throwing him on a scrapheap 2 days in to a F1 career would make no sense.

 

[w1Y]

Vettel WDC at 10/1 looks like decent odds.

The two red bull drivers will likely take points off each other. If the Ferrari is quick I expect vettel to dominate out of the two ferrari drivers.

[TheRacingElf]

Marklar, on 01 Mar 2017 - 18:33, said:

Onboard video

Anybody who knows the laptime of this lap? This was still even nowhere near a push lap in my opinion, feels like they can even a few seconds faster.

[FullOppositeLock]

TheRacingElf, on 01 Mar 2017 - 20:47, said:

Anybody who knows the laptime of this lap? This was still even nowhere near a push lap in my opinion, feels like they can even a few seconds faster.

1:22.090 I read somewhere. First proper lap of his third race sim stint apparently.

[rodlamas]

CountDooku, on 01 Mar 2017 - 16:32, said:

If we use Gary's 0.145s per lap of fuel (huge pinch of salt here!), this means Lewis could do a lap 3.5secs faster than the 1.22.2. A mid 1.18 should easily be on the cards on softs.

And from the onboard you can see he is using STRAT-6. If he uses STRAT-3 (qualifying mode) there is at least some 0.5-1.0 seconds extra in power.

[Talisman]

KWSN - DSM, on 01 Mar 2017 - 20:38, said:

Stroll need seat time more than Massa, the banging on him is over the top, he is not my cup of tea but he is the reigning European F3 Champion at age 18, he obviously know how to race a car, does he have what it takes to be a front running F1 driver we do not know yet, but throwing him on a scrapheap 2 days in to a F1 career would make no sense.

 

 

I'm sure it didn't hurt his cause that Stroll brings money into the team, Massa costs them.

[w1Y]

Would like to see a side by side of that lap and a 2016 lap

[KWSN - DSM]

Talisman, on 01 Mar 2017 - 20:53, said:

I'm sure it didn't hurt his cause that Stroll brings money into the team, Massa costs them.

 

Not saying it did, but a pay driver who is European F3 Champion can not be the worst choice of pay drivers.

 

[cokata]

w1Y, on 01 Mar 2017 - 20:53, said:

Would like to see a side by side of that lap and a 2016 lap

[w1Y]

Helmut Marko saying they hope to catch Merc by half way through the season

[kimister]

KWSN - DSM, on 01 Mar 2017 - 20:38, said:

Stroll need seat time more than Massa, the banging on him is over the top, he is not my cup of tea but he is the reigning European F3 Champion at age 18, he obviously know how to race a car, does he have what it takes to be a front running F1 driver we do not know yet, but throwing him on a scrapheap 2 days in to a F1 career would make no sense.

 

 

Untill today I don't remember any other example of that in a similar case a team gave the test time of the experienced driver to the younger one, just because he spoiled his own. 

 

Yes harmless, yet unfair to me. And I feel if it was another one other than Stroll, it wouldn't have this chance.

 

But that's just me of course. Maybe they would who knows.

Edited by kimister, 01 March 2017 - 21:05.

[w1Y]

Love interviews with drivers. So Palmer insisting he doesn't pay attention of other cars and then the next sentence saying ferrari look really strong.

[Jvr]

MasterOfCoin, on 01 Mar 2017 - 18:25, said:

That's wasteful,,,starving people and all....lol

No, they got the water from the nearest sewage treatment station 

[sniper80]

That lap comparison clearly shows how hard Mercedes is sandbagging in terms of pace. Wow....

[Viryfan]

 

 

Edd Straw and Gary Anderson doing trackside analysis

[w1Y]

I think it is showing the additional drag impact.

It also clearly shows a much better front end onow the w07

Edited by w1Y, 01 March 2017 - 21:15.

[Jvr]

Marklar, on 01 Mar 2017 - 18:14, said:

 

Looks fast.

[Okyo]

sniper80, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:11, said:

That lap comparison clearly shows how hard Mercedes is sandbagging in terms of pace. Wow....

Not sure if serious.

[OO7]

cokata, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:01, said:

You can see how the 17 car reaps the benefits of the wider tyres in the slow, twisty third sector.

Edited by OO7, 01 March 2017 - 21:26.

[Marklar]

Regarding tomorrow

 

Quote

 

"The plan is confirmed," Pirelli racing manager director Mario Isola confirmed. "We will wet the circuit initially overnight, to keep it damp, and again in the morning. 

"There is no sprinkler system, so we are using eight water tanks together with the circuit.

"We want to go through all the conditions, from extreme wet to intermediate to dry in the afternoon. This is useful to the teams to assess the crossover [between tyres] – it's important for them to define that crossover. The tyres are different [in 2017], so the numbers are not the same, and we believe it is important to give them this opportunity to assess this."

https://www.formula1...et-running.html

[TheRacingElf]

Viryfan, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:14, said:

 

 

Edd Straw and Gary Anderson doing trackside analysis

But did they come across an elderly fan?

[cokata]

OO7, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:19, said:

You can see how the 17 car reaps the benefits of the wider, tyres in the slow, twisty third sector.

The lap you see here from the W08 was on the long-ish stint hamilton did right after his race sim. He did 22.2, 22.1, and then he did a 22.090 and i think that is that lap we are seeing. So that is with somewhat warn tires, i think no DRS, and obviously the engine being turned way down. The car looks heavy but is still quicker in the corner and on traction than the 2016 pole, and you can just he that on the 2017 lap he is "cruising" while on the 2016 one he is on the limit.

[kimister]

Marklar, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:20, said:

Regarding tomorrow

 

https://www.formula1...et-running.html

 

Good  so they leave the afternoon for dry running.

[rodlamas]

cokata, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:24, said:

The lap you see here from the W08 was on the long-ish stint hamilton did right after his race sim. He did 22.2, 22.1, and then he did a 22.090 and i think that is that lap we are seeing. So that is with somewhat warn tires, i think no DRS, and obviously the engine being turned way down. The car looks heavy but is still quicker in the corner and on traction than the 2016 pole, and you can just he that on the 2017 lap he is "cruising" while on the 2016 one he is on the limit.

He does use DRS.

3.5 seconds of fuel

1.0 second of engine mode

 

He can do a high 1:16 when the race comes.

[Hellenic tifosi]

Marklar, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:20, said:

Regarding tomorrow

 

https://www.formula1...et-running.html

 

Why are they wasting water tonight? Wouldn't it make more sense to wet the track tomorrow morning?

[JTSaika]

Hellenic tifosi, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:28, said:

Why are they wasting water tonight? Wouldn't it make more sense to wet the track tomorrow morning?

They want the track damp, not flooded. 

[BalanceUT]

Marklar, on 01 Mar 2017 - 18:14, said:

Meanwhile

Ominous. 

[OO7]

kimister, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:25, said:

Good  so they leave the afternoon for dry running.

I wonder how Mercedes will divide the final day between there drivers?

[cokata]

rodlamas, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:26, said:

He does use DRS.

3.5 seconds of fuel

1.0 second of engine mode

 

He can do a high 1:16 when the race comes.

16s with soft tires is impossible. Low 18s to high 17s i predict will be the pole time this year if it's dry and the softest compound is the "Soft" tire

[Marklar]

OO7, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:29, said:

I wonder how Mercedes will divide the final day between there drivers?

Hamilton in the morning, Bottas in the afternoon

 

Morning will be full wet/intermediate, afternoon intermediate/dry by the looks of it.

[loki]

Talisman, on 01 Mar 2017 - 20:53, said:

I'm sure it didn't hurt his cause that Stroll brings money into the team, Massa costs them.

The real cost of Massa remains to be seen.  Stroll brings money on the front, but the revenue generator are WCC points.  Massa is also needed to mentor the young driver.   Considering the learning curve it's more likely that even having to pay Massa, he'll still not only add value to the team but also may pay not only for himself but for a good hunk of the program in points money.

[Ivanhoe]

JTSaika, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:29, said:

They want the track damp, not flooded.

Can't really test the full wets on a damp track.

[ferkan]

sniper80, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:11, said:

That lap comparison clearly shows how hard Mercedes is sandbagging in terms of pace. Wow....

Well yea, one is quali lap with 5kg of fuel other is 2nd day of testing with probably 30-40kg

[TF110]

These guys are doing 19's on day 3. That's saying something. And who knows if they were actually true qualifying style laps? On top of the unknowns, the cars are brand new, only in their 3rd day of real testing. There hasn't been much performance upgrades to them. They have yet to learn the cars let alone the tires and that's before the big upgrades they will do for the European season! Definitely see why Pirelli expects 1:17's for qualifying.

[KWSN - DSM]

I can not see any way that a watered track will not be driven dry in less than an hour, in the real world behind a pace car unless a deluge they had a dry'ish line even when it rains.

 

[EthanM]

Ivanhoe, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:32, said:

Can't really test the full wets on a damp track.

 

with the amount of water wets shift, unless they stop - add water - resume they will only do 4-5 'wet' laps

[Hellenic tifosi]

JTSaika, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:29, said:

They want the track damp, not flooded. 

 

But they are supposed to be testing full wet tyres!

[Marklar]

Hellenic tifosi, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:40, said:

But they are supposed to be testing full wet tyres!

In this case they should make it realistic and call Bernd Mayländer to practice with his SC as well 

[rodlamas]

cokata, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:30, said:

16s with soft tires is impossible. Low 18s to high 17s i predict will be the pole time this year if it's dry and the softest compound is the "Soft" tire

Lewis used soft tires, which is the hardest Q3 tire you will have the whole season.

 

He did 24 laps after the one he did. That`s 3.5 seconds of fuel. He uses STRAT-6 (you can see that on the yellow knob). If he uses STRAT-3, that`s another second. Surely, there is an HPP setting that can be increased. Cars will evolve until the 5th race of the season.

 

A high 1:16 is well on the cards.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Is Ted's laptop on youtube? I can't find it. 

[Ivanhoe]

Marklar, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:41, said:

In this case they should make it realistic and call Bernd Mayländer to practice with his SC as well

Then we'll be sure there will be no testing of the full wets!

Edited by Ivanhoe, 01 March 2017 - 21:43.

[tearitup]

Eventhough it's somewhat weird with all the years of slowing them down, but i'm pretty happy we might have the fastest cars ever again.

[Marklar]

Lol. Lewis wants to fake a illness (or was it an injury? whatever) to miss out tomorrow mornings wet weather running 

 

(well, he has experience with that.....)

 

 

RainyAfterlifeDaylight, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:42, said:

Is Ted's laptop on youtube? I can't find it. 

It's stil not over. Expect it to be online in 1 h or so

 

As long as you are waiting: Here is Paddock Uncut

 

Edited by Marklar, 01 March 2017 - 21:49.

[w1Y]

Lewis saying following other carside is worse

[Jvr]

TheRacingElf, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:21, said:

But did they come across an elderly fan?

So you recognise Bernie from just a tad of a white shirt? I am sure, even he is rather short, his hair would be visible in that picture as well...

[tearitup]

w1Y, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:47, said:

Lewis saying following other carside is worse

And max said it isn't. we'll see. Lewis talks alot.

Edited by tearitup, 01 March 2017 - 21:50.

[Ivanhoe]

Maybe the Mercedes suffers more from it

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Marklar, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:46, said:

As long as you are waiting: Here is Paddock Uncut

 

[sniper80]

Okyo, on 01 Mar 2017 - 21:18, said:

Not sure if serious.

 

Serious. Come on, the 2016 lap is in attack mode, the 2017 is like cruising around, only the third sector you can see the laptime catching the 2016 reference. I'm sure Mercedes will go much faster once they drive a all-out lap.