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#1 Victor_RO

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:27

Longest race and biggest entry in probably the biggest motorsport weekend of the year. On the longest track, with the craziest weather possible. Welcome to the Nordschleife, where you can go from this
 
BMW-Team-Marc-VDS-beim-24h-Rennen-auf-de
 
to this
 

 
in a matter of minutes.
 
Why?
 
Possibly the ultimate challenge for a racing driver: navigating both the most treacherous circuit still in use worldwide, and a grid of 160 cars which ends up being a more colourful version of the Paris Peripherique/M25/whatever busy ring road you can think of. And the weather. And nightfall. And the traffic. And weather. And the circuit again.

 

What should I look out for?

 

1. Battle at the front of the field. Dozens of GT3 cars, plus the odd wacky special (the Glickenhaus SCG003); the pride of German GT racing dominates the entry list at the front. Basically, if you have a GT3 car, you have a shot at the win.

2. The variety. Everything from full-blooded GT3 cars to small Renault Clios, through race-prepped TTs, GT86s, BMWs of all shapes and sizes, and an Opel Manta with a flapping foxtail tied to its aerial.

3. Lap and race length. With the full Nordschleife + a modified GP track in use, fastest qualifying lap times are in the 8:10-8:20 area and the fastest race lap in recent years has often been under 8:30. This translates in a race length record of only 159 laps, stints of only 7-9 laps between fuel stops, and a total recalibration of expectations compared to the other big 24h races; Daytona leading lap times are around 1:40, and even at Le Mans the front of the field is usually in the 3:20-3:30 bracket.

4. Start groups. With 160 cars in the field, they are split based on class and qualifying times into 3 starting groups which set off under different pace cars and start their race 3 minutes apart. Due to a timing quirk, they all run together on the timing screen though; the smaller cars get a 3- and 6-minute credit against their race times, so at the end you might see plenty of classified runners with a race time under 24h. Not to worry, they are all from the second/third starting groups.

5. Drama. Almost every year, and in certain years on the last lap too.

6. Weather. See above. 

 

What's with all the classes?

 

With the amount of cars on the track and the variety of cars

 

SP9 - FIA GT3 cars. SP9-LG - subclass for GT3 cars homologated before 2015.

SP10 - FIA GT4

SP3-8 - N/A race-prepped specials subclassed by engine capacity from 1.5 to 6.2 liters

SP3T, SP4T, SP8T - turbocharged race-prepped specials with engine capacity up to 4 liters

SP-X - race cars that do not fit in any of those categories (Glickenhaus, any potential GTE entries, previously the Lexus LFA)

AT - alternatively-fuelled cars (generally natural gas or bioethanol)

D1T, D3T - diesel engines

V2-V6 - lightly-modified production cars with engine capacity from 1.5 to 4 liters

 

RESOURCES
 
Official website: http://www.24h-rennen.de/en/
Entry list: http://24hrennenasse...-12-05-2017.pdf
Official streaming: via http://www.radiolemans.com and/or the official website (audio + video in English or German)

Live timing: https://livetiming.t...#screen-results
 
SCHEDULE (All times CET)
 
http://www.24h-renne...dule-race-2016/
 
Main points from schedule:
 
Quali 1 - Thursday 20:05-23:30
Quali 2 - Friday 9:30-11:30
Top 30 shootout - Friday 19:50-20:30
Warmup lap starts Saturday 15:10
Race - Saturday 15:30 -> Sunday 15:30
 
Also, there's some WTCC/ETCC racing for 3 laps at a time, but we shall discuss those at another time, as they charge lots of money for their official streams unlike the N24 itself.  :cat:



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#2 string158

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:39

I love this race. It blows my mind how much some of the guys are pushing in the final laps.  :drunk:



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:42

Biggest race in the world.  :up:



#4 Victor_RO

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:43

I love this race. It blows my mind how much some of the guys are pushing in the final laps.  :drunk:

 

And they do that through a slalom course dotted with walking wounded cars going slow enough to just complete the final lap too.



#5 AlexLangheck

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:48

Best race of the year....has absolutely everything......



#6 FLB

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:29

Is there any doubt whatsoever this is the greatest weekend all year for us? And, that no matter how much we complain about the sport being too much about money, money has made sure we had access to it? I mean, I've basically watched more than 24 hours of live coverage from the Indianapolis Motor Speedway this week; I'll watch about eight hours of live F1 from Monaco; I'll cap it off with four hours of NASCAR Cup.

 

And also, I'll get more than a two-line mention of the N24, somewhere. Or more than a half-hour condensed version on TV, six months after the race. I'll actually get the full 24 hours live, including (gasp) qualifying.

 

 

None of this was even remotely a possibility for me in 1992.


Edited by FLB, 24 May 2017 - 10:30.


#7 Victor_RO

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:42

Is there any doubt whatsoever this is the greatest weekend all year for us?

 

None in my view. Le Mans is a close second, but it stands alone as a big event that weekend.

 

EDIT:

 

More in-depth preview from Dailysportscar: http://www.dailyspor...th-running.html



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 18:01

It looks like it's gonna be dry all weekend  :down:  :down:  :down:



#9 Victor_RO

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 18:07

It looks like it's gonna be dry all weekend  :down:  :down:  :down:

 

Good.  :rotfl:

 

For two reasons: maybe this means they can crack under 8:10 in quali and over 160 laps in the race, and I've got a mate who travelled all the way from Australia to see the race trackside.



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 18:09

Good.  :rotfl:

 

For two reasons: maybe this means they can crack under 8:10 in quali and over 160 laps in the race, and I've got a mate who travelled all the way from Australia to see the race trackside.

Yeah, there's positives and negatives I guess. If it's anything like last year's incredible final hour then we're in for a treat.



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 18:10



#12 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 18:17

Only race in the world where during a red flag drivers get out of their cars to throw snowballs at the spectators.  :up:



#13 LeClerc

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 19:14

Weather-report says sunny 25-27 Celcius Sat-Sun. Good times.



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 19:22

I am going to have watched so much motorsport by the end of the weekend  :lol:



#15 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 19:28

Is there any doubt whatsoever this is the greatest weekend all year for us? And, that no matter how much we complain about the sport being too much about money, money has made sure we had access to it?

 

:confused:

 

The field of gt3 is still mostly wealthy amateur gentleman/lady drivers wasting precious earth resources for nothing more than their entertainment.



#16 LeClerc

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 19:34

:confused:

 

The field of gt3 is still mostly wealthy amateur gentleman/lady drivers wasting precious earth resources for nothing more than their entertainment.

 

That is what racing SHOULD be about!!!!



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 19:43

I want to go watch this. I'll put it in my calendar for next year. I've also liked the WTCC races the previous years. For those who want to watch WTCC there is the Eurosportplayer app, it will get you WTCC and le Mans for a month subscription which amounts to ~€10 here in Denmark, don't know about rest of Europe.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 19:57

This is one of the better and usually quite exciting WTCC races so I'll probably watch the WTCC this weekend (maybe next week) because it clashes with Monaco FP3 I think. Anyway, I hope everyone stays safe because it's still a pretty dangerous circuit and we get some good racing across the weekend. :)



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 22:21

Was actually planning to do an OP on this one but woke up to it far too late.  :cat:

 

 

RLM did a preview of the race in Midweek Motorsport, which is always worth a listen: http://www.radiolema...port-series-12/

 

Hopefully there will be a spotter guide in some form before the Qualifying. If not, I can try to glue something together for the Top 30-shootout, as Motorsport.com usually has a good variety of photos available on a short notice. Rain can very well mix things up – showers are predicted in the area for Sunday evening / Monday and that’s still a ways from now. Plus it’s the Eiffel region. As the video in the OP attests, just about anything can happen regarding weather.

 

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Random thoughts about the entries this year:

 

Bernd Schneider. Why did AMG not slot him into a top-tier lineup? Experience counts on the Nordschleife more than any other track, and it’s not until you emerge from the darkness of the night with all the bits and bobs still attached that you can even start to think about winning the race.

 

Manthey Racing. My personal pick for the win with that outstanding driving crew of the #911. Nords is the team’s home turf and they’ve done some pretty extraordinary things on it in the past. Back in 2008 their number one entry suffered a radiator leak during lap 1 and limped back to pits. After fixing it and finding themselves P189 with a 16-minute deficit, the crew began a charge that would eventually lead them to win the race by two laps. Current four-time winner Dumas was part of the lineup that day.

 

Maro Engel. Doing double duty, which increases everyone’s chances of getting Engle’d.

 

Looking at the driver lineups alone, I would list #1, #8, #9, #28, #29, #44, #50, #98 and #99 as the winning contenders along with the #911. I’ll be surprised if one of those entries isn’t the one that takes the chequered flag first on Sunday. That’s roughly a third of the SP9 class, which really is a testament to the breadth of the driving talent taking part. Would be nice to see #99 take it this time around, and not least because of Martin’s heroic drive against the Black Falcon Merc in the 2013 N24. 



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 23:33

I love the 'ring 24, roll on Saturday!

#21 Victor_RO

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 06:12

Updated OP with confirmed live timing link. :)



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 08:17

Weather forecast shifting towards a rainy Sunday afternoon:

 

Weather Underground - thunderstorms possible: https://www.wundergr...5748;loctype:25

Accuweather - very warm: http://www.accuweath...forecast/175464

Myweather - showers during afternoon and onwards: http://www.myweather...uit.aspx?sday=3

 

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Free practice should start in just under five hours.



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 08:28

I want to go watch this. I'll put it in my calendar for next year. I've also liked the WTCC races the previous years. For those who want to watch WTCC there is the Eurosportplayer app, it will get you WTCC and le Mans for a month subscription which amounts to ~€10 here in Denmark, don't know about rest of Europe.

 

Whatever else you pack, don't forget your rubber boots  :rotfl:

 

The Eifel can give you 4 seasons in one day.



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 08:38

Whatever else you pack, don't forget your rubber boots  :rotfl:

 

The Eifel can give you 4 seasons in one day.

 

4 seasons in one lap sometimes! 



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 10:11

We have an initial streaming link:

 

 

Same channel will also have live onboards all race.  :clap: Free practice starts in about 3 hours.



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 10:26

Wow, there are 14 streaming feeds at http://www.24h-renne...-timing-ticker/

I think they may be streaming on livestream.com as well. It doesn't look like it.

Edited by ANF, 25 May 2017 - 14:11.


#27 LeClerc

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 14:02

The official stream is hilarious. All sorts of stuff going on among the spectators.

 

Edit: I convinced a colleague to go for his first N24. Haven't spotted him yet, though.


Edited by LeClerc, 25 May 2017 - 14:04.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 15:14

Lots of cars dumping their oil and guts all over the track already.

 

The Nordschleife looks quite strange in perfect weather.  :lol:

 

 

The official stream is hilarious. All sorts of stuff going on among the spectators.

 
Isn't this just what drunk Germans do on a weekend out?  :cat:


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 16:23

 

 
Isn't this just what drunk Germans do on a weekend out?  :cat:

 

 

Compounded by the fact that today is Father's day in Germany. A day where tradition demands loss of all self-control  :rotfl:  (and above average alcohol intake)



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 18:14


Qualifying starts NOW.

Or when the armco repairs is finished.

Edited by ANF, 25 May 2017 - 18:15.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 18:18

Qualifying delayed by 20 minutes with barrier damage from the WTCC



#32 Victor_RO

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 18:26

And we are go to run into the night. 



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 18:42

Go Kissling Motorsport!

I love that Manta.

#34 Victor_RO

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 18:45

Go Kissling Motorsport!

I love that Manta.

 

THE FOXTAIL! :D No Nurburgring 24h is complete without that car.

 

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 19:06

Bienchen!



#36 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 19:41

That is what racing SHOULD be about!!!!

 

Really!?  I'd rather watch professional drivers than 1%ers... each to their own.  :confused:

 

it's also inexplicable in GT racing why 1%ers bankroll various cars (sometimes even choosing not to drive and let the faster hired pros drive only), where viable commercial sponsorship like in true commercially viable racing is more socially acceptable.  (Why don't the 1%ers bankroll humanitarian causes instead of wasteful first world GT racing, burning up tyres and fuel FOR FUN!?   :confused:  Haven't they heard of treading lightly and don't use more resources than you need?)


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 25 May 2017 - 19:44.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 19:45

Half the GT3 entries in this race are full factory cars, or factory cars masquerading as privateers. And more than half the field is not 1%ers, it's genuine gearheads who saved money and modified cars (or bought turn-key racing cars straight from the factory) along with their local car clubs to race here, and with local sponsorships.

 

And if you're going to go that way, every single racing series on the planet is a waste of resources in its own way.



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 19:49

Half the GT3 entries in this race are full factory cars, or factory cars masquerading as privateers. And more than half the field is not 1%ers, it's genuine gearheads who saved money and modified cars (or bought turn-key racing cars straight from the factory) along with their local car clubs to race here, and with local sponsorships.

 

And if you're going to go that way, every single racing series on the planet is a waste of resources.

 

 

Good!  :clap:   :D

 

I don't like the Australian GT series since it is full of 1%ers (lots of whom are pretty mediocre drivers even with ABS and traction control).  But the top level GT3 racing classes (and the Bathurst 12 hour) are a lot better.  :up:


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 25 May 2017 - 19:50.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 19:52

Really!?  I'd rather watch professional drivers than 1%ers... each to their own.  :confused:

 

it's also inexplicable in GT racing why 1%ers bankroll various cars (sometimes even choosing not to drive and let the faster hired pros drive only), where viable commercial sponsorship like in true commercially viable racing is more socially acceptable.  (Why don't the 1%ers bankroll humanitarian causes instead of wasteful first world GT racing, burning up tyres and fuel FOR FUN!?   :confused:  Haven't they heard of treading lightly and don't use more resources than you need?)

 

How are those professionals going to get a car to race in? Who is going to pay the crew, the fuel, the tires, and and and. Racing costs money, and if somebody with money decides to spend it on racing ,that is allright in my book.

 

Apart from that, the Ring is maybe THE place where you can field an entry with little money. I know a guy who has done 4 24h races there, and he is by no means wealthy.

 

Resources? **** resources!


Edited by noikeee, 25 May 2017 - 20:35.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 20:26

Just learned about the GPSAuge app from the broadcast, looks really nice. It even has the safety cars on the map.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 07:41

We're up for morning qualifying. :)



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:40

Who wouldn't want to get a V*daf*ne whatever after this weekend? Worst onboard quality ever. :p

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:48

TT practice starts this weekend, makes the Nordschleife look small :p

 

Looking forward to this, watch every year, loved the track since PGR2!



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:26

Who wouldn't want to get a V*daf*ne whatever after this weekend? Worst onboard quality ever. :p


Kein Bild. Kein Ton. Vodafone :)

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:25

Random Ferrari on top of the times before top 30 qualifying.  :lol:  Looks like the 488 GT3 likes natural-terrain road circuits, see how well it did at Bathurst.



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 16:11

Running order for top 30:

 

http://www.dailyspor...ning-order.html

 

#100 Walkenhorst BMW M6 GT3 withdrawn from the race after damage sustained in a crash in morning qualifying.



#47 ANF

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 17:24


25 minutes away.

#48 Victor_RO

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 18:25

Well well well, who would have thought. A "home-built" (ish) special on pole ahead of all the GT3 cars.  :clap:



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 22:32

Well well well, who would have thought. A "home-built" (ish) special on pole ahead of all the GT3 cars.  :clap:

 

And with an American driver at the wheel... !?! :drunk:

 

Has that ever happened before? I'm guessing not...



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 23:59

What is an SGC?